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Re: [Pharo-users] encoding challenge

by Robert Withers

It turns out my problem was elsewhere. These convert just fine. My issue is the combination of flipping the whole stack to frames and adding headers and header method calls down at the Transport layer. The session layer is actually 2 sub-layers, data on top of control. In this case, we need a data frame but no control frame, so the transport is frameless. It is blowing up on me because control messages have an artificial frame. I will look into Asn1Der encoding of the control messages, however. cheers,, robert On 12/19/2015 01:09 AM, Robert Withers wrote: > A core part of communications, whether online or to persistence, is > encoding, or marshalling. Let's do an example! Thank you for your > thoughtful, earnest participation, as God wills it. > > Here are 2 methods that encode and decode a DateAndTime object, but > rather poorly. I've been going without much sleep for a bit and I > can't figure it out. Here is the code in hopes that some will find > this an interesting exercise in team and community building. For that > intention, as a beginning. What's the best solution? > > Let's show them how to code when given the space in the environment. > Tnks! :) > > In class ASN1UTCTimeType.. > > encodeValue: anObject withDERStream: derStream > > | yy mo dd hh mm ss utcDateTime | > yy := anObject year asString copyFrom: 3 to: 4. > mo := anObject month asString padded: #left to: 2 with: $0. > dd := anObject dayOfMonth asString padded: #left to: 2 with: $0. > hh := anObject hour asString padded: #left to: 2 with: $0. > mm := anObject minute asString padded: #left to: 2 with: $0. > ss := anObject seconds asString padded: #left to: 2 with: $0. > utcDateTime := (yy, mo, dd, hh, mm, ss, 'Z') asByteArray. > derStream nextPutAll: utcDateTime. > > > > decodeValueWithDERStream: derStream length: length > > | aUTCDateTime | > aUTCDateTime := (derStream next: length) asByteArray asString. > ^ (DateAndTime readFromString: ( > ((aUTCDateTime copyFrom: 1 to: 2) asInteger > 50 ifTrue: > ['19'] ifFalse: ['20']), > (aUTCDateTime copyFrom: 1 to: 2), '-', > (aUTCDateTime copyFrom: 3 to: 4), '-', > (aUTCDateTime copyFrom: 5 to: 6), 'T', > (aUTCDateTime copyFrom: 7 to: 8), ':', > (aUTCDateTime copyFrom: 9 to: 10), ':', > (aUTCDateTime copyFrom: 11 to: 12))) > offset: 0 > > -- . .. .. ^,^ robert

Dec. 19, 2015

encoding challenge

by Robert Withers

A core part of communications, whether online or to persistence, is encoding, or marshalling. Let's do an example! Thank you for your thoughtful, earnest participation, as God wills it. Here are 2 methods that encode and decode a DateAndTime object, but rather poorly. I've been going without much sleep for a bit and I can't figure it out. Here is the code in hopes that some will find this an interesting exercise in team and community building. For that intention, as a beginning. What's the best solution? Let's show them how to code when given the space in the environment. Tnks! :) In class ASN1UTCTimeType.. encodeValue: anObject withDERStream: derStream | yy mo dd hh mm ss utcDateTime | yy := anObject year asString copyFrom: 3 to: 4. mo := anObject month asString padded: #left to: 2 with: $0. dd := anObject dayOfMonth asString padded: #left to: 2 with: $0. hh := anObject hour asString padded: #left to: 2 with: $0. mm := anObject minute asString padded: #left to: 2 with: $0. ss := anObject seconds asString padded: #left to: 2 with: $0. utcDateTime := (yy, mo, dd, hh, mm, ss, 'Z') asByteArray. derStream nextPutAll: utcDateTime. decodeValueWithDERStream: derStream length: length | aUTCDateTime | aUTCDateTime := (derStream next: length) asByteArray asString. ^ (DateAndTime readFromString: ( ((aUTCDateTime copyFrom: 1 to: 2) asInteger > 50 ifTrue: ['19'] ifFalse: ['20']), (aUTCDateTime copyFrom: 1 to: 2), '-', (aUTCDateTime copyFrom: 3 to: 4), '-', (aUTCDateTime copyFrom: 5 to: 6), 'T', (aUTCDateTime copyFrom: 7 to: 8), ':', (aUTCDateTime copyFrom: 9 to: 10), ':', (aUTCDateTime copyFrom: 11 to: 12))) offset: 0 -- . .. .. ^,^ robert

Dec. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] [squeak-dev] Name change: Mushroom ( was Re: evolutions of squeakelib & crypto)

by Robert Withers

I just tried, looking for plugins you know. I get so impatient to get all this to work. It takes lots of effrort. Thanks for the name check, let's go for it! robert On 12/18/2015 11:45 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas wrote: > At list it doesn't have a lot of hits: > > https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=es&q=CryptoCeps#hl=es&q=CryptoCeps&n… > > > I think that the best thing is to come by the slack channel and talk > it in #random (now I'm almost slept). Trying a new name has a lot of > bouncing ideas in my experience, so real time communication is better > that mailing list (that's why I talk about it with friends over meal > or drinks). > > Cheers, > > Offray > > On 18/12/15 22:37, Robert Withers wrote: >> The Ode to CryptoCeps: >> >> Bouncer: "No, I'm sorry. This is a restricted area..." *checks around >> in case there's a problem* >> >> Me: " 'cep I got this..." *hands over teensie tiny tasty little mushoom* >> >> Note to self: 'did I eat one of those???' *can't seem to recall the >> particular moment. Oh@* >> >> Community: *looking sideways at each other* "What the hell is a >> mushoom?" >> >> >> Thank You! so much. >> >> >> On 12/18/2015 10:27 PM, Robert Withers wrote: >>> Ah ha!!! Thank you...how about CryptOCeps? ;) >>> >>> On 12/18/2015 10:22 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> On the names side, I would advice some kind of unique combination, >>>> for example "Jupyter notebook", works fine to find particularly >>>> the project this community is trying to build. In my own case, I >>>> spend a lot of time thinking in names and I discuss them with >>>> friends with a drink or a meal. Despite of not having a strong web >>>> presence in the sense of continuous updates in the web pages of my >>>> projects (my main web page is still under construction!) they >>>> position relatively well on google and DDG engines: >>>> >>>> [1] https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=es&q=grafoscopio (5th link) >>>> [2] https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=es&q=mutabit (1st link) >>>> [3] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mutabit&t=ffsb (1st link) >>>> [4] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=grafoscopio&t=ffsb (2nd link) >>>> >>>> It didn't happen overnight but was a fluid organic process. So may >>>> be "Mushroom crypto" or "Risotto crypto" could be important >>>> descriptors in the main web presence sites of your projects (BTW, I >>>> can't find the repos and GitHub answers with 404). >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Offray >>>> >>>> >>>> On 07/12/15 17:57, Robert Withers wrote: >>>>> Ben, Huw, Todd and Sven, thank you all for your feedback! I >>>>> suppose I could call the project "CryptOCaps" but for some reason >>>>> I glommed onto mushroom as the name. Not grandiose and it is >>>>> somewhat descriptive...a network of secure sessions, each one a >>>>> mushroom. Ceps are highly valued. We can tag it for the catalog. >>>>> >>>>> For sure, we have Seaside, Morphic, Nebraska, Fuel, Alien, Cog, >>>>> Monticello and that's just the squeak side of unusual naming of >>>>> projects. I hope that "mushroom" gains a wide reputation as a >>>>> solid, reliable, secure and performant session layer under the >>>>> CryptOCaps presentation...I am thinking of splitting the secure >>>>> session layer from the ocaps presentation layer, but this would >>>>> require another name choice, so I hesitate...perhaps "Risotto"? >>>>> What are your thoughts? >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Robert >>>>> >>>>> On 12/07/2015 10:38 AM, Ben Coman wrote: >>>>>> I like it, but it seems you missed my point :) >>>>>> mushroom --> 117,000,000 is two orders of magnitude more hidden. >>>>>> Anyway, maybe I overplay its significance. >>>>>> cheers -ben >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Robert Withers >>>>>> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> I renamed the project to Mushroom and I also dumped the encoding >>>>>>> work to >>>>>>> focus on shutdown, optimization and serialization. Here's the wiki: >>>>>>> https://github.com/SqueakCryptographySquad/Mushroom/wiki >>>>>>> >>>>>>> thanks,Robert >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/06/2015 01:42 AM, Ben Coman wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Robert Withers >>>>>>>> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 12/05/2015 09:24 PM, Ben Coman wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:57 PM, Robert Withers >>>>>>>>>> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Now I think you are right on with your observation. >>>>>>>>>>> Additionally, the >>>>>>>>>>> number >>>>>>>>>>> of dialects could increase further with Fuel serialization, >>>>>>>>>>> just port >>>>>>>>>>> SecureSession and bits. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Alright, I came up with a name and it may border on the >>>>>>>>>>> egregious ... >>>>>>>>>>> presenting ... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Maelstrom" >>>>>>>>>> Great sounding name. However some general advice for the >>>>>>>>>> community, >>>>>>>>>> since I see a lot of great sounding project names drowned out >>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>> noise of our web-search-centric universe. A litmus test for >>>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>>> naming is using google search to find which return low search >>>>>>>>>> results. >>>>>>>>>> Today, its more important to be unique than any other >>>>>>>>>> attribute of a >>>>>>>>>> name. So in general, *dictionary* english words are not the >>>>>>>>>> best. >>>>>>>>>> One technique is to intentionally mispell the word you like. >>>>>>>>>> Here are >>>>>>>>>> some comparative examples (note, the surrounding quotes are >>>>>>>>>> required >>>>>>>>>> to avoid google trying to be helpful and correct the >>>>>>>>>> spelling)... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "maelstrom" --> 7,480,000 >>>>>>>>>> "maelstroom" --> 6,200 >>>>>>>>>> "maelstrum" --> 2,280 >>>>>>>>>> "maelstruum" --> 7 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Lots of interesting other techniques can be found by >>>>>>>>>> searching on: >>>>>>>>>> techniques to generate brand names or domain names. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> cheers -ben >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would be happy to change the names to something more unique, >>>>>>>>> though it >>>>>>>>> may >>>>>>>>> take a few. Are you suggesting "maelstruum"? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> cheers, >>>>>>>>> Robert >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Suggesting* yes, but the choice is yours ;) You need to own it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think maelstruum is certainly memorable with the double "u", but >>>>>>>> maybe jarring next the the "m". I'm inclined to maelstroom, >>>>>>>> since I >>>>>>>> associate it with "zoom". I wouldn't necessarily go for the >>>>>>>> absolute >>>>>>>> lowest results. I have an entirely unsubstantiated belief that >>>>>>>> anything less than 10,000 gives a reasonable chance to compete >>>>>>>> once a >>>>>>>> user's browsing history is taken into account. Finally you need to >>>>>>>> check existing results don't return something abhorrent (I >>>>>>>> didn't do >>>>>>>> this). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'd encourage to play around testing on google search. Its >>>>>>>> quick and >>>>>>>> easy to generate and test alternatives. I've added a few more >>>>>>>> below. >>>>>>>> "maelstra" --> 3,560 >>>>>>>> "maelstram" --> 504 >>>>>>>> "maelstrim" --> 1200 >>>>>>>> "maelstroon" --> 58 >>>>>>>> "maelstroomi" --> 4 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> btw, I wouldn't swap the order of the "ae" since that would be >>>>>>>> susceptible to real typing errors. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> cheers -ben >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > > -- . .. .. ^,^ robert

Dec. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] [squeak-dev] Name change: Mushroom ( was Re: evolutions of squeakelib & crypto)

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

At list it doesn't have a lot of hits: https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=es&q=CryptoCeps#hl=es&q=CryptoCeps&n… I think that the best thing is to come by the slack channel and talk it in #random (now I'm almost slept). Trying a new name has a lot of bouncing ideas in my experience, so real time communication is better that mailing list (that's why I talk about it with friends over meal or drinks). Cheers, Offray On 18/12/15 22:37, Robert Withers wrote: > The Ode to CryptoCeps: > > Bouncer: "No, I'm sorry. This is a restricted area..." *checks around > in case there's a problem* > > Me: " 'cep I got this..." *hands over teensie tiny tasty little mushoom* > > Note to self: 'did I eat one of those???' *can't seem to recall the > particular moment. Oh@* > > Community: *looking sideways at each other* "What the hell is a mushoom?" > > > Thank You! so much. > > > On 12/18/2015 10:27 PM, Robert Withers wrote: >> Ah ha!!! Thank you...how about CryptOCeps? ;) >> >> On 12/18/2015 10:22 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> On the names side, I would advice some kind of unique combination, >>> for example "Jupyter notebook", works fine to find particularly the >>> project this community is trying to build. In my own case, I spend a >>> lot of time thinking in names and I discuss them with friends with a >>> drink or a meal. Despite of not having a strong web presence in the >>> sense of continuous updates in the web pages of my projects (my main >>> web page is still under construction!) they position relatively well >>> on google and DDG engines: >>> >>> [1] https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=es&q=grafoscopio (5th link) >>> [2] https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=es&q=mutabit (1st link) >>> [3] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mutabit&t=ffsb (1st link) >>> [4] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=grafoscopio&t=ffsb (2nd link) >>> >>> It didn't happen overnight but was a fluid organic process. So may >>> be "Mushroom crypto" or "Risotto crypto" could be important >>> descriptors in the main web presence sites of your projects (BTW, I >>> can't find the repos and GitHub answers with 404). >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Offray >>> >>> >>> On 07/12/15 17:57, Robert Withers wrote: >>>> Ben, Huw, Todd and Sven, thank you all for your feedback! I >>>> suppose I could call the project "CryptOCaps" but for some reason I >>>> glommed onto mushroom as the name. Not grandiose and it is somewhat >>>> descriptive...a network of secure sessions, each one a mushroom. >>>> Ceps are highly valued. We can tag it for the catalog. >>>> >>>> For sure, we have Seaside, Morphic, Nebraska, Fuel, Alien, Cog, >>>> Monticello and that's just the squeak side of unusual naming of >>>> projects. I hope that "mushroom" gains a wide reputation as a >>>> solid, reliable, secure and performant session layer under the >>>> CryptOCaps presentation...I am thinking of splitting the secure >>>> session layer from the ocaps presentation layer, but this would >>>> require another name choice, so I hesitate...perhaps "Risotto"? >>>> What are your thoughts? >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Robert >>>> >>>> On 12/07/2015 10:38 AM, Ben Coman wrote: >>>>> I like it, but it seems you missed my point :) >>>>> mushroom --> 117,000,000 is two orders of magnitude more hidden. >>>>> Anyway, maybe I overplay its significance. >>>>> cheers -ben >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Robert Withers >>>>> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> I renamed the project to Mushroom and I also dumped the encoding >>>>>> work to >>>>>> focus on shutdown, optimization and serialization. Here's the wiki: >>>>>> https://github.com/SqueakCryptographySquad/Mushroom/wiki >>>>>> >>>>>> thanks,Robert >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/06/2015 01:42 AM, Ben Coman wrote: >>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Robert Withers >>>>>>> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> On 12/05/2015 09:24 PM, Ben Coman wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:57 PM, Robert Withers >>>>>>>>> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Now I think you are right on with your observation. >>>>>>>>>> Additionally, the >>>>>>>>>> number >>>>>>>>>> of dialects could increase further with Fuel serialization, >>>>>>>>>> just port >>>>>>>>>> SecureSession and bits. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Alright, I came up with a name and it may border on the >>>>>>>>>> egregious ... >>>>>>>>>> presenting ... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Maelstrom" >>>>>>>>> Great sounding name. However some general advice for the >>>>>>>>> community, >>>>>>>>> since I see a lot of great sounding project names drowned out >>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>> noise of our web-search-centric universe. A litmus test for >>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>> naming is using google search to find which return low search >>>>>>>>> results. >>>>>>>>> Today, its more important to be unique than any other >>>>>>>>> attribute of a >>>>>>>>> name. So in general, *dictionary* english words are not the >>>>>>>>> best. >>>>>>>>> One technique is to intentionally mispell the word you like. >>>>>>>>> Here are >>>>>>>>> some comparative examples (note, the surrounding quotes are >>>>>>>>> required >>>>>>>>> to avoid google trying to be helpful and correct the spelling)... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "maelstrom" --> 7,480,000 >>>>>>>>> "maelstroom" --> 6,200 >>>>>>>>> "maelstrum" --> 2,280 >>>>>>>>> "maelstruum" --> 7 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lots of interesting other techniques can be found by searching >>>>>>>>> on: >>>>>>>>> techniques to generate brand names or domain names. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> cheers -ben >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would be happy to change the names to something more unique, >>>>>>>> though it >>>>>>>> may >>>>>>>> take a few. Are you suggesting "maelstruum"? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> cheers, >>>>>>>> Robert >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Suggesting* yes, but the choice is yours ;) You need to own it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think maelstruum is certainly memorable with the double "u", but >>>>>>> maybe jarring next the the "m". I'm inclined to maelstroom, >>>>>>> since I >>>>>>> associate it with "zoom". I wouldn't necessarily go for the >>>>>>> absolute >>>>>>> lowest results. I have an entirely unsubstantiated belief that >>>>>>> anything less than 10,000 gives a reasonable chance to compete >>>>>>> once a >>>>>>> user's browsing history is taken into account. Finally you need to >>>>>>> check existing results don't return something abhorrent (I >>>>>>> didn't do >>>>>>> this). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'd encourage to play around testing on google search. Its quick >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> easy to generate and test alternatives. I've added a few more >>>>>>> below. >>>>>>> "maelstra" --> 3,560 >>>>>>> "maelstram" --> 504 >>>>>>> "maelstrim" --> 1200 >>>>>>> "maelstroon" --> 58 >>>>>>> "maelstroomi" --> 4 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> btw, I wouldn't swap the order of the "ae" since that would be >>>>>>> susceptible to real typing errors. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> cheers -ben >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >

Dec. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] [squeak-dev] Name change: Mushroom ( was Re: evolutions of squeakelib & crypto)

by Robert Withers

The Ode to CryptoCeps: Bouncer: "No, I'm sorry. This is a restricted area..." *checks around in case there's a problem* Me: " 'cep I got this..." *hands over teensie tiny tasty little mushoom* Note to self: 'did I eat one of those???' *can't seem to recall the particular moment. Oh@* Community: *looking sideways at each other* "What the hell is a mushoom?" Thank You! so much. On 12/18/2015 10:27 PM, Robert Withers wrote: > Ah ha!!! Thank you...how about CryptOCeps? ;) > > On 12/18/2015 10:22 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On the names side, I would advice some kind of unique combination, >> for example "Jupyter notebook", works fine to find particularly the >> project this community is trying to build. In my own case, I spend a >> lot of time thinking in names and I discuss them with friends with a >> drink or a meal. Despite of not having a strong web presence in the >> sense of continuous updates in the web pages of my projects (my main >> web page is still under construction!) they position relatively well >> on google and DDG engines: >> >> [1] https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=es&q=grafoscopio (5th link) >> [2] https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=es&q=mutabit (1st link) >> [3] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mutabit&t=ffsb (1st link) >> [4] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=grafoscopio&t=ffsb (2nd link) >> >> It didn't happen overnight but was a fluid organic process. So may be >> "Mushroom crypto" or "Risotto crypto" could be important descriptors >> in the main web presence sites of your projects (BTW, I can't find >> the repos and GitHub answers with 404). >> >> Cheers, >> >> Offray >> >> >> On 07/12/15 17:57, Robert Withers wrote: >>> Ben, Huw, Todd and Sven, thank you all for your feedback! I suppose >>> I could call the project "CryptOCaps" but for some reason I glommed >>> onto mushroom as the name. Not grandiose and it is somewhat >>> descriptive...a network of secure sessions, each one a mushroom. >>> Ceps are highly valued. We can tag it for the catalog. >>> >>> For sure, we have Seaside, Morphic, Nebraska, Fuel, Alien, Cog, >>> Monticello and that's just the squeak side of unusual naming of >>> projects. I hope that "mushroom" gains a wide reputation as a solid, >>> reliable, secure and performant session layer under the CryptOCaps >>> presentation...I am thinking of splitting the secure session layer >>> from the ocaps presentation layer, but this would require another >>> name choice, so I hesitate...perhaps "Risotto"? What are your thoughts? >>> >>> Best, >>> Robert >>> >>> On 12/07/2015 10:38 AM, Ben Coman wrote: >>>> I like it, but it seems you missed my point :) >>>> mushroom --> 117,000,000 is two orders of magnitude more hidden. >>>> Anyway, maybe I overplay its significance. >>>> cheers -ben >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Robert Withers >>>> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> I renamed the project to Mushroom and I also dumped the encoding >>>>> work to >>>>> focus on shutdown, optimization and serialization. Here's the wiki: >>>>> https://github.com/SqueakCryptographySquad/Mushroom/wiki >>>>> >>>>> thanks,Robert >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 12/06/2015 01:42 AM, Ben Coman wrote: >>>>>> On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Robert Withers >>>>>> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On 12/05/2015 09:24 PM, Ben Coman wrote: >>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:57 PM, Robert Withers >>>>>>>> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Now I think you are right on with your observation. >>>>>>>>> Additionally, the >>>>>>>>> number >>>>>>>>> of dialects could increase further with Fuel serialization, >>>>>>>>> just port >>>>>>>>> SecureSession and bits. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Alright, I came up with a name and it may border on the >>>>>>>>> egregious ... >>>>>>>>> presenting ... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Maelstrom" >>>>>>>> Great sounding name. However some general advice for the >>>>>>>> community, >>>>>>>> since I see a lot of great sounding project names drowned out >>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>> noise of our web-search-centric universe. A litmus test for >>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>> naming is using google search to find which return low search >>>>>>>> results. >>>>>>>> Today, its more important to be unique than any other attribute >>>>>>>> of a >>>>>>>> name. So in general, *dictionary* english words are not the best. >>>>>>>> One technique is to intentionally mispell the word you like. >>>>>>>> Here are >>>>>>>> some comparative examples (note, the surrounding quotes are >>>>>>>> required >>>>>>>> to avoid google trying to be helpful and correct the spelling)... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "maelstrom" --> 7,480,000 >>>>>>>> "maelstroom" --> 6,200 >>>>>>>> "maelstrum" --> 2,280 >>>>>>>> "maelstruum" --> 7 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Lots of interesting other techniques can be found by searching on: >>>>>>>> techniques to generate brand names or domain names. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> cheers -ben >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would be happy to change the names to something more unique, >>>>>>> though it >>>>>>> may >>>>>>> take a few. Are you suggesting "maelstruum"? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> cheers, >>>>>>> Robert >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> *Suggesting* yes, but the choice is yours ;) You need to own it. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think maelstruum is certainly memorable with the double "u", but >>>>>> maybe jarring next the the "m". I'm inclined to maelstroom, since I >>>>>> associate it with "zoom". I wouldn't necessarily go for the >>>>>> absolute >>>>>> lowest results. I have an entirely unsubstantiated belief that >>>>>> anything less than 10,000 gives a reasonable chance to compete >>>>>> once a >>>>>> user's browsing history is taken into account. Finally you need to >>>>>> check existing results don't return something abhorrent (I didn't do >>>>>> this). >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd encourage to play around testing on google search. Its quick and >>>>>> easy to generate and test alternatives. I've added a few more below. >>>>>> "maelstra" --> 3,560 >>>>>> "maelstram" --> 504 >>>>>> "maelstrim" --> 1200 >>>>>> "maelstroon" --> 58 >>>>>> "maelstroomi" --> 4 >>>>>> >>>>>> btw, I wouldn't swap the order of the "ae" since that would be >>>>>> susceptible to real typing errors. >>>>>> >>>>>> cheers -ben >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > -- . .. .. ^,^ robert

Dec. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] [squeak-dev] Name change: Mushroom ( was Re: evolutions of squeakelib & crypto)

by Robert Withers

Ah ha!!! Thank you...how about CryptOCeps? ;) On 12/18/2015 10:22 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas wrote: > Hi, > > On the names side, I would advice some kind of unique combination, for > example "Jupyter notebook", works fine to find particularly the > project this community is trying to build. In my own case, I spend a > lot of time thinking in names and I discuss them with friends with a > drink or a meal. Despite of not having a strong web presence in the > sense of continuous updates in the web pages of my projects (my main > web page is still under construction!) they position relatively well > on google and DDG engines: > > [1] https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=es&q=grafoscopio (5th link) > [2] https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=es&q=mutabit (1st link) > [3] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mutabit&t=ffsb (1st link) > [4] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=grafoscopio&t=ffsb (2nd link) > > It didn't happen overnight but was a fluid organic process. So may be > "Mushroom crypto" or "Risotto crypto" could be important descriptors > in the main web presence sites of your projects (BTW, I can't find the > repos and GitHub answers with 404). > > Cheers, > > Offray > > > On 07/12/15 17:57, Robert Withers wrote: >> Ben, Huw, Todd and Sven, thank you all for your feedback! I suppose >> I could call the project "CryptOCaps" but for some reason I glommed >> onto mushroom as the name. Not grandiose and it is somewhat >> descriptive...a network of secure sessions, each one a mushroom. Ceps >> are highly valued. We can tag it for the catalog. >> >> For sure, we have Seaside, Morphic, Nebraska, Fuel, Alien, Cog, >> Monticello and that's just the squeak side of unusual naming of >> projects. I hope that "mushroom" gains a wide reputation as a solid, >> reliable, secure and performant session layer under the CryptOCaps >> presentation...I am thinking of splitting the secure session layer >> from the ocaps presentation layer, but this would require another >> name choice, so I hesitate...perhaps "Risotto"? What are your thoughts? >> >> Best, >> Robert >> >> On 12/07/2015 10:38 AM, Ben Coman wrote: >>> I like it, but it seems you missed my point :) >>> mushroom --> 117,000,000 is two orders of magnitude more hidden. >>> Anyway, maybe I overplay its significance. >>> cheers -ben >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Robert Withers >>> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> I renamed the project to Mushroom and I also dumped the encoding >>>> work to >>>> focus on shutdown, optimization and serialization. Here's the wiki: >>>> https://github.com/SqueakCryptographySquad/Mushroom/wiki >>>> >>>> thanks,Robert >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/06/2015 01:42 AM, Ben Coman wrote: >>>>> On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Robert Withers >>>>> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> On 12/05/2015 09:24 PM, Ben Coman wrote: >>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:57 PM, Robert Withers >>>>>>> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> Now I think you are right on with your observation. >>>>>>>> Additionally, the >>>>>>>> number >>>>>>>> of dialects could increase further with Fuel serialization, >>>>>>>> just port >>>>>>>> SecureSession and bits. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Alright, I came up with a name and it may border on the >>>>>>>> egregious ... >>>>>>>> presenting ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Maelstrom" >>>>>>> Great sounding name. However some general advice for the >>>>>>> community, >>>>>>> since I see a lot of great sounding project names drowned out in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> noise of our web-search-centric universe. A litmus test for >>>>>>> project >>>>>>> naming is using google search to find which return low search >>>>>>> results. >>>>>>> Today, its more important to be unique than any other attribute >>>>>>> of a >>>>>>> name. So in general, *dictionary* english words are not the best. >>>>>>> One technique is to intentionally mispell the word you like. >>>>>>> Here are >>>>>>> some comparative examples (note, the surrounding quotes are >>>>>>> required >>>>>>> to avoid google trying to be helpful and correct the spelling)... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "maelstrom" --> 7,480,000 >>>>>>> "maelstroom" --> 6,200 >>>>>>> "maelstrum" --> 2,280 >>>>>>> "maelstruum" --> 7 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lots of interesting other techniques can be found by searching on: >>>>>>> techniques to generate brand names or domain names. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> cheers -ben >>>>>> >>>>>> I would be happy to change the names to something more unique, >>>>>> though it >>>>>> may >>>>>> take a few. Are you suggesting "maelstruum"? >>>>>> >>>>>> cheers, >>>>>> Robert >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> *Suggesting* yes, but the choice is yours ;) You need to own it. >>>>> >>>>> I think maelstruum is certainly memorable with the double "u", but >>>>> maybe jarring next the the "m". I'm inclined to maelstroom, since I >>>>> associate it with "zoom". I wouldn't necessarily go for the absolute >>>>> lowest results. I have an entirely unsubstantiated belief that >>>>> anything less than 10,000 gives a reasonable chance to compete once a >>>>> user's browsing history is taken into account. Finally you need to >>>>> check existing results don't return something abhorrent (I didn't do >>>>> this). >>>>> >>>>> I'd encourage to play around testing on google search. Its quick and >>>>> easy to generate and test alternatives. I've added a few more below. >>>>> "maelstra" --> 3,560 >>>>> "maelstram" --> 504 >>>>> "maelstrim" --> 1200 >>>>> "maelstroon" --> 58 >>>>> "maelstroomi" --> 4 >>>>> >>>>> btw, I wouldn't swap the order of the "ae" since that would be >>>>> susceptible to real typing errors. >>>>> >>>>> cheers -ben >>>>> >>>> >> >> >> > > -- . .. .. ^,^ robert

Dec. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] [squeak-dev] Name change: Mushroom ( was Re: evolutions of squeakelib & crypto)

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

Hi, On the names side, I would advice some kind of unique combination, for example "Jupyter notebook", works fine to find particularly the project this community is trying to build. In my own case, I spend a lot of time thinking in names and I discuss them with friends with a drink or a meal. Despite of not having a strong web presence in the sense of continuous updates in the web pages of my projects (my main web page is still under construction!) they position relatively well on google and DDG engines: [1] https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=es&q=grafoscopio (5th link) [2] https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=es&q=mutabit (1st link) [3] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mutabit&t=ffsb (1st link) [4] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=grafoscopio&t=ffsb (2nd link) It didn't happen overnight but was a fluid organic process. So may be "Mushroom crypto" or "Risotto crypto" could be important descriptors in the main web presence sites of your projects (BTW, I can't find the repos and GitHub answers with 404). Cheers, Offray On 07/12/15 17:57, Robert Withers wrote: > Ben, Huw, Todd and Sven, thank you all for your feedback! I suppose I > could call the project "CryptOCaps" but for some reason I glommed onto > mushroom as the name. Not grandiose and it is somewhat descriptive...a > network of secure sessions, each one a mushroom. Ceps are highly > valued. We can tag it for the catalog. > > For sure, we have Seaside, Morphic, Nebraska, Fuel, Alien, Cog, > Monticello and that's just the squeak side of unusual naming of > projects. I hope that "mushroom" gains a wide reputation as a solid, > reliable, secure and performant session layer under the CryptOCaps > presentation...I am thinking of splitting the secure session layer > from the ocaps presentation layer, but this would require another name > choice, so I hesitate...perhaps "Risotto"? What are your thoughts? > > Best, > Robert > > On 12/07/2015 10:38 AM, Ben Coman wrote: >> I like it, but it seems you missed my point :) >> mushroom --> 117,000,000 is two orders of magnitude more hidden. >> Anyway, maybe I overplay its significance. >> cheers -ben >> >> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Robert Withers >> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> I renamed the project to Mushroom and I also dumped the encoding >>> work to >>> focus on shutdown, optimization and serialization. Here's the wiki: >>> https://github.com/SqueakCryptographySquad/Mushroom/wiki >>> >>> thanks,Robert >>> >>> >>> On 12/06/2015 01:42 AM, Ben Coman wrote: >>>> On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Robert Withers >>>> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On 12/05/2015 09:24 PM, Ben Coman wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:57 PM, Robert Withers >>>>>> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Now I think you are right on with your observation. >>>>>>> Additionally, the >>>>>>> number >>>>>>> of dialects could increase further with Fuel serialization, just >>>>>>> port >>>>>>> SecureSession and bits. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Alright, I came up with a name and it may border on the >>>>>>> egregious ... >>>>>>> presenting ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Maelstrom" >>>>>> Great sounding name. However some general advice for the community, >>>>>> since I see a lot of great sounding project names drowned out in the >>>>>> noise of our web-search-centric universe. A litmus test for project >>>>>> naming is using google search to find which return low search >>>>>> results. >>>>>> Today, its more important to be unique than any other attribute of a >>>>>> name. So in general, *dictionary* english words are not the best. >>>>>> One technique is to intentionally mispell the word you like. >>>>>> Here are >>>>>> some comparative examples (note, the surrounding quotes are required >>>>>> to avoid google trying to be helpful and correct the spelling)... >>>>>> >>>>>> "maelstrom" --> 7,480,000 >>>>>> "maelstroom" --> 6,200 >>>>>> "maelstrum" --> 2,280 >>>>>> "maelstruum" --> 7 >>>>>> >>>>>> Lots of interesting other techniques can be found by searching on: >>>>>> techniques to generate brand names or domain names. >>>>>> >>>>>> cheers -ben >>>>> >>>>> I would be happy to change the names to something more unique, >>>>> though it >>>>> may >>>>> take a few. Are you suggesting "maelstruum"? >>>>> >>>>> cheers, >>>>> Robert >>>>> >>>>> >>>> *Suggesting* yes, but the choice is yours ;) You need to own it. >>>> >>>> I think maelstruum is certainly memorable with the double "u", but >>>> maybe jarring next the the "m". I'm inclined to maelstroom, since I >>>> associate it with "zoom". I wouldn't necessarily go for the absolute >>>> lowest results. I have an entirely unsubstantiated belief that >>>> anything less than 10,000 gives a reasonable chance to compete once a >>>> user's browsing history is taken into account. Finally you need to >>>> check existing results don't return something abhorrent (I didn't do >>>> this). >>>> >>>> I'd encourage to play around testing on google search. Its quick and >>>> easy to generate and test alternatives. I've added a few more below. >>>> "maelstra" --> 3,560 >>>> "maelstram" --> 504 >>>> "maelstrim" --> 1200 >>>> "maelstroon" --> 58 >>>> "maelstroomi" --> 4 >>>> >>>> btw, I wouldn't swap the order of the "ae" since that would be >>>> susceptible to real typing errors. >>>> >>>> cheers -ben >>>> >>> > > >

Dec. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] What Strides In Pharo?

by Hilaire

Le 17/12/2015 11:28, horrido a Ã©crit : > "dynamic arrays, which nobody uses, because it's non-standard; Traits, which > nobody uses, because it's non-standard, and the vendor specific syntax for" No, no, Traits are very useful when you need a behaviour to come from different objects. I use it in a financial application to modelized banking loan product criteria. -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu http://google.com/+DrgeoEu

Dec. 18, 2015

New version (47) of SecureSession for Pharo & Squeak

by Robert Withers

Please load the SecureSession.47 and drive it about a bit. I am missing crypto plugins on Pharo, so avoid the performance test, tto stay responsive. Here are some of the changes: - frame-based pipeline - header per msg so no mutable session state - header is written with message in Asn1Der encoding. - most header fields currently optional - adding per-connection msgId to header - timeSent set also - reworked TransportEndpoint to be better scoped. Looking forward: - extend frames into the strategy utilities - events Any issues or questions, please reach out. Thanks, robert

Dec. 18, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Rocket Chat - An open source alternative to Slack

by John Pfersich

Sorry, I set it up on my laptop. Not an ideal place for a chat system, and my isp doesn't support rocket chat. Sent from my iPad > On Dec 16, 2015, at 23:58, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Where ? >> On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 at 08:21, John Pfersich <jpfersich(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> I set up a public #pharo channel. Join it! >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Dec 16, 2015, at 02:04, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> So since Slack has been so successful for our community , far more that IRC has been in terms of participation and useful discussions (at least the 2 years I have been around) >>> >>> it made me wonder if I could find an open source alternative to Slack that is at least as good as it if not better without a very different workflow (so we have to learn everything from zero) all the big pros and something that could easily interface with Pharo. >>> >>> Ladies and gentlemen meet Rocket Chat >>> >>> https://rocket.chat/ >>> >>> The good news about Rocket chat is that it seems to have all the pros of Slack like close integration with tweeter, github etc etc . It has clients for all OS and mobile devices. But not the big cons like the 10.000 messages limit ( which we have long exceeded). Its open source and most importantly written in javascript and we know that pharo can interface with javascript in many diffirent ways . >>> >>> Hosted on Github and deployable with open source technologies. >>> >>> And even its license is MIT. >>> >>> The reviews I have read about it are very positive. >>> >>> So what do you think ?

Dec. 17, 2015