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Re: [Pharo-users] GSOC 2016 Application update

by Martin BÃ¤hr

Excerpts from Stephan Eggermont's message of 2016-02-17 10:30:24 +0100: > > How will you help your students stay on schedule to complete their > > projects? (886/1000) > I have had excellent experiences with a compressed scrum, using a (near) > daily cycle where the student demos todays code and discusses steps for > the next day. i am not very familiar with scrum. it was my understanding that daily standup is part of a regular scrum. so you make a plan for a week or two, and talk about the progress every day. this is what i did with my students last year. in the daily standup every student reports what they worked on since the standup, and what they plan to work on next. we did that on irc, so students would write their reports. after the reports we discuss issues. one issue i found is, that it gets a little one-sided if there is only one student (i had two unrelated projects, so one student was alone, but i made her report in the #pharo channel), so i would suggest to have all students join the meeting at the same time and place. (slack is probably the best tool for this) then it's just a matter of finding a good time that fits everyone. maybe two or three times will be better if pharo gets more than a few students. however, having everyone join the same meeting helps show everyone how much others get done, and generally should help foster community. greetings, martin. -- eKita - the online platform for your entire academic life -- chief engineer eKita.co pike programmer pike.lysator.liu.se caudium.net societyserver.org secretary beijinglug.org mentor fossasia.org foresight developer foresightlinux.org realss.com unix sysadmin Martin BÃ¤hr working in china http://societyserver.org/mbaehr/

Feb. 17, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] GSOC 2016 Application update

by Stephan Eggermont

On 17-02-16 09:27, Serge Stinckwich wrote: > How will you help your students stay on schedule to complete their > projects? (886/1000) I have had excellent experiences with a compressed scrum, using a (near) daily cycle where the student demos todays code and discusses steps for the next day. https://programminggems.wordpress.com/2009/06/19/tutorial-2/ Stephan

Feb. 17, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] GSOC 2016 Application update

by Martin BÃ¤hr

Excerpts from jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de's message of 2016-02-17 09:34:05 +0100: > I think the answers to the questions on former years are incorrect. In > recent years, ESUG applied and was either accepted or rejected. This is > the first time the Pharo commuinity applies. pharo applied last year too. > Maybe this shoule be made clear... how was this question answered last year? the feedback from googles feedback session last year was that there were no issues with the pharo application (there were just to many good organizations to be accepted) to explain the relationship to esug, it may be worth mentioning that at least 6 out of the 10 projects from 2012 were pharo projects. (one was VM, one was a smalltalk tutorial, and two i could not tell from the description) in 2010 also most projects were pharo based or cross-platform (for 2007 and 2008 i can't see the list, so i don't know) http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2012/esug http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org2/google/gsoc2010/esug another way to look at it would be to count which mentors in previous years came from pharo. greetings, martin. -- eKita - the online platform for your entire academic life -- chief engineer eKita.co pike programmer pike.lysator.liu.se caudium.net societyserver.org secretary beijinglug.org mentor fossasia.org foresight developer foresightlinux.org realss.com unix sysadmin Martin BÃ¤hr working in china http://societyserver.org/mbaehr/

Feb. 17, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] GSOC 2016

by Serge Stinckwich

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > Last year a CI job was created: > > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/GeneratePharoTopicsPage/ > > I tried to revive it, but I can't find the config/settings, or so it seems. > > Yes, it used to be STON, but it was changed to .st - in any case, the idea was that it were just objects. > > I totally agree this process is not good. > > The AWS bucket is under my private key, cannot share that. Thank you Sven. I don't have time to fix the process at the moment. I will just convert all the gsoc ideas as Markdown and there will be available on github. -- Serge Stinckwich UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/

Feb. 17, 2016

Line end convention in method source

by Norbert Hartl

I had a strange effect using a method as storage. I had a list of strings that I compiled into a method. The strings were delimited by Character lf. I created this on a Mac. Saving the source and opening the same code on a linux machine changed the line endings from lf to cr. IMHO this is a bug because I think that the content of a method should be unchanged in that case. Or are there any other reasons why this is the way it is? thanks, Norbert

Feb. 17, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] GSOC 2016

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Last year a CI job was created: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/GeneratePharoTopicsPage/ I tried to revive it, but I can't find the config/settings, or so it seems. Yes, it used to be STON, but it was changed to .st - in any case, the idea was that it were just objects. I totally agree this process is not good. The AWS bucket is under my private key, cannot share that. > On 17 Feb 2016, at 00:50, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > > Sorry, Iâm a bit confused. The Topics.st is not a STON file, itâs a smalltalk code file. Sven, can you please guide me on how to generate the page, because I was not able to figure it out from PharoPeople package. Also I guess that Iâll be able to automate the process if you give me AWS Access Keys and the bucket name, but letâs come back to this later. > > Cheers. > Uko > >> On 12 Feb 2016, at 13:20, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >> >> The whole process is not automatic. >> >> The code to convert the .ston file to the .html is in http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/PharoPeople/ >> >> Maybe you can try to run it yourself. >> >> Once there is a new .html file, I have to put into some AWS S3 bucket of mine. >> >> If you send me the .html I will do copy it to the right place. >> >>> On 12 Feb 2016, at 12:57, Serge Stinckwich <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> The sync with the http://gsoc.pharo.org/ is not working ... >>> Can we fix that and put GSOC 2016 on the front page ? >>> >>> Thank you >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:29 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: >>>> Good initiative. >>>> I will clean some of them too. >>>> Stef >>>> >>>> Le 11/2/16 15:20, Damien Cassou a Ã©crit : >>>> >>>>> Serge Stinckwich <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> writes: >>>>> >>>>>> I reuse the list of the last year : >>>>>> >>>>>> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-project-proposals/blob/master/Topics… >>>>> >>>>> I've just removed everything git-related because it was old. I hope >>>>> someone else will write a new one because support of existing DVCS is very >>>>> important. >>>>> >>>>> I've also updated my projects. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Serge Stinckwich >>> UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) >>> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk >>> http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/ >>> >> >> > >

Feb. 17, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] GSOC 2016 Application update

by jtuchel＠objektfabrik.de

Am 17.02.16 um 09:48 schrieb Serge Stinckwich: > On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 9:34 AM, jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de > <jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de> wrote: >> I think the answers to the questions on former years are incorrect. In >> recent years, ESUG applied and was either accepted or rejected. This is the >> first time the Pharo commuinity applies. Maybe this shoule be made clear... > > Thank you Joachim. You are right, I will made it more clear. > BTW, Pharo community apply last year. > Oh, sorry. Wasn't aware of this... -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchel mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de Fliederweg 1 http://www.objektfabrik.de D-71640 Ludwigsburg http://joachimtuchel.wordpress.com Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0 Fax: +49 7141 56 10 86 1

Feb. 17, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] GSOC 2016 Application update

by Serge Stinckwich

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 9:34 AM, jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de <jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de> wrote: > I think the answers to the questions on former years are incorrect. In > recent years, ESUG applied and was either accepted or rejected. This is the > first time the Pharo commuinity applies. Maybe this shoule be made clear... Thank you Joachim. You are right, I will made it more clear. BTW, Pharo community apply last year. -- Serge Stinckwich UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/

Feb. 17, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] GSOC 2016 Application update

by jtuchel＠objektfabrik.de

I think the answers to the questions on former years are incorrect. In recent years, ESUG applied and was either accepted or rejected. This is the first time the Pharo commuinity applies. Maybe this shoule be made clear... Joachim Am 17.02.16 um 09:27 schrieb Serge Stinckwich: > Dear all, > > just a quick update to GSOC application of Pharo this year > > - We have enough topics I guess. I already send a reminder on the > various mailing-list. > List of topics here: > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-project-proposals/blob/master/Topics… > > We have to generate the html from the topics list and put the result > on the gsoc.pharo,org website. I ask Uko to have a look to this, but I > don't want to loose to much time on this. I was wondering if we should > transform the list as a Markdown document on github just to keep it > simple. > > - Finish the 2016 Application and Organization profile on Google > website. The questions are a little bit different from 2015 and we > should complete them. > Please find below the answers to the questions right now. > > I add in parenthesis, the number of words of each answers and the > maximum allowed. > > Please us to refine our answers. We need to wrote "guidance for students". > > Thank you. > > ========================================================================== > > Why does your org want to participate in Google Summer of Code? (898/1000) > > Supporting open-source projects is one of the most important > objectives of the Pharo community. Participating at GSoC will increase > the visibility of Pharo project efforts, thus favoring interactions > with other communities. We are also interested in providing > interesting projects to students allowing them to learn and have a fun > job for the summer. > > We expect also to bring more people into our community. That's very > interesting as the Pharo community is trying to be innovation-driven > and more open minded than the Smalltalk community from which we have > evolved. We want people from other communities to join ours and we are > also interested in what is happening outside and to share experiences > or ideas. Fortunately for us, dynamic languages like Python, Ruby, > among others, enjoy increasing popularity. This is an excellent > opportunity to join, show and learn from and with other communities. > > ========================================================================== > > How many potential mentors have agreed to mentor this year? > > 11-15 > > ========================================================================== > > How will you keep mentors engaged with their students? (668/1000) > > We chose mentors from people who are long time in our community and > have proven to be reliable. Usually we try to match mentors with > projects that are important for themselves. This means that the mentor > has an own interest in the project that the student doing it. Also we > try to ensure that there is a co-mentor for every project who can > replace the main mentor if needed. Also it is very important for us to > keep a good record and expand the community, and in previous years we > even managed to organize our own "summer code" programs for a couple > of students, so in the worst case we will find a replacement from the > core part of the community, or the board itself. > > ========================================================================== > How will you help your students stay on schedule to complete their > projects? (886/1000) > > As mentioned before we've already organized our own small "summer > code" programs, as usually we have more interested students than the > fundings that we can spend for them. However we acknowledge that > maintaining student's motivation is very important. We are a very open > and friendly community, and we encourage the students to take part on > the mailing list discussions from the beginning of their projects. > There is a specific pharo-users mailing-list more suitable for > beginners than the pharo-dev mailing-list. > Usually students get feedback and requests from the beginning of their > projects, and they have people interested in the prototypes as soon as > they are ready. From our experience having real users for the project > serves as the best motivation. Also our mentors try to maintain a > constructive and friendly discussion to ensure that the student enjoys > working on the project. > > ========================================================================== > > How will you get your students involved in your community during GSoC? > (608/1000) > > As mentioned above we encourage students to announce their status on > the mailing list as well as discuss questions on our Slack channel. We > also encourage them to write blogs about their project experience to > both promote themselves and give others an opportunity to familiarize > with the project more and share ideas between students. We are > organizing PharoDays every year (this year in Belgium, website: > http://pharodays2016.pharo.org) and we participate to the ESUG > (European Smalltalk User Group) conference in the end of each summer > and plan to invite the students of the best projects to present there. > > ========================================================================== > > Has your org been accepted as a mentoring org in Google Summer of Code before? > > Yes > > ========================================================================== > > Which years did your org participate in GSoC? > > - 2012 > - 2010 > - 2008 > - 2007 > > ========================================================================== > > What is your success/fail rate per year? > > - 2012: 10 projects pass / 3 fail > - 2010: 6 projects pass / 0 fail > - 2008: 5 projects pass / 0 fail > - 2007: 5 projects pass / 0 fail > > > ========================================================================== > > If your org has applied for GSoC before but not been accepted, select the years: > > - 2015 > - 2014 > - 2013 > > ========================================================================== > > What year was your project started? > > 2008 > > ========================================================================== > > Short description of Pharo (166/180) > > Pharo is a pure object-oriented programming language and IDE. We > innovate every part of the development experience to come up with the > best way to work with software. > > ========================================================================== > > Long description of Pharo (1401/2000) > > Pharo is a pure object-oriented programming languagea and IDE. > Pharo's goal is to minify the gap between the state of your mind and > the functionality of your application. Whether you are writing code, > debugging it, inspecting an object, hacking the runtime or tweaking > the IDE there should be nothing that stops you from engaging the > action with ease and grace. > > We work both on improving Pharo itself and on developing end user > applications in Pharo. Below you will see the highlights of most > prominent Pharo features. > > ### Simple & powerful language > No constructors, no types declaration, no interfaces, no primitive > types. Yet a powerful and elegant language with a full syntax fitting > in one postcard! Pharo is objects and messages all the way down. > > ### Feel a live environment > Feel the joy of having immediate feedback at any moment of your > development: Developing, testing, debugging. Even in production > environments, you will never be stuck in compiling and deploying steps > again! > > ### Amazing debugging experience > The Pharo environment includes a debugger unlike anything you've seen > before. It allows you to step through code, restart the execution of > methods, create methods on the fly, and much more! > > ### Pharo is yours > Pharo is made by an incredible community, with more than 80 > contributors for the last revision of the platform and hundreds of > people contributing constantly with frameworks and libraries. > > ========================================================================== > > Guidance for students on how to apply to your organization. Should > include any prerequisites or requirements. You may wish to include a > template or tips for their proposals. > > (0/1500) > > TBD > > ========================================================================== > > - > > Regards, -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchel mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de Fliederweg 1 http://www.objektfabrik.de D-71640 Ludwigsburg http://joachimtuchel.wordpress.com Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0 Fax: +49 7141 56 10 86 1

Feb. 17, 2016

GSOC 2016 Application update

by Serge Stinckwich

Dear all, just a quick update to GSOC application of Pharo this year - We have enough topics I guess. I already send a reminder on the various mailing-list. List of topics here: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-project-proposals/blob/master/Topics… We have to generate the html from the topics list and put the result on the gsoc.pharo,org website. I ask Uko to have a look to this, but I don't want to loose to much time on this. I was wondering if we should transform the list as a Markdown document on github just to keep it simple. - Finish the 2016 Application and Organization profile on Google website. The questions are a little bit different from 2015 and we should complete them. Please find below the answers to the questions right now. I add in parenthesis, the number of words of each answers and the maximum allowed. Please us to refine our answers. We need to wrote "guidance for students". Thank you. ========================================================================== Why does your org want to participate in Google Summer of Code? (898/1000) Supporting open-source projects is one of the most important objectives of the Pharo community. Participating at GSoC will increase the visibility of Pharo project efforts, thus favoring interactions with other communities. We are also interested in providing interesting projects to students allowing them to learn and have a fun job for the summer. We expect also to bring more people into our community. That's very interesting as the Pharo community is trying to be innovation-driven and more open minded than the Smalltalk community from which we have evolved. We want people from other communities to join ours and we are also interested in what is happening outside and to share experiences or ideas. Fortunately for us, dynamic languages like Python, Ruby, among others, enjoy increasing popularity. This is an excellent opportunity to join, show and learn from and with other communities. ========================================================================== How many potential mentors have agreed to mentor this year? 11-15 ========================================================================== How will you keep mentors engaged with their students? (668/1000) We chose mentors from people who are long time in our community and have proven to be reliable. Usually we try to match mentors with projects that are important for themselves. This means that the mentor has an own interest in the project that the student doing it. Also we try to ensure that there is a co-mentor for every project who can replace the main mentor if needed. Also it is very important for us to keep a good record and expand the community, and in previous years we even managed to organize our own "summer code" programs for a couple of students, so in the worst case we will find a replacement from the core part of the community, or the board itself. ========================================================================== How will you help your students stay on schedule to complete their projects? (886/1000) As mentioned before we've already organized our own small "summer code" programs, as usually we have more interested students than the fundings that we can spend for them. However we acknowledge that maintaining student's motivation is very important. We are a very open and friendly community, and we encourage the students to take part on the mailing list discussions from the beginning of their projects. There is a specific pharo-users mailing-list more suitable for beginners than the pharo-dev mailing-list. Usually students get feedback and requests from the beginning of their projects, and they have people interested in the prototypes as soon as they are ready. From our experience having real users for the project serves as the best motivation. Also our mentors try to maintain a constructive and friendly discussion to ensure that the student enjoys working on the project. ========================================================================== How will you get your students involved in your community during GSoC? (608/1000) As mentioned above we encourage students to announce their status on the mailing list as well as discuss questions on our Slack channel. We also encourage them to write blogs about their project experience to both promote themselves and give others an opportunity to familiarize with the project more and share ideas between students. We are organizing PharoDays every year (this year in Belgium, website: http://pharodays2016.pharo.org) and we participate to the ESUG (European Smalltalk User Group) conference in the end of each summer and plan to invite the students of the best projects to present there. ========================================================================== Has your org been accepted as a mentoring org in Google Summer of Code before? Yes ========================================================================== Which years did your org participate in GSoC? - 2012 - 2010 - 2008 - 2007 ========================================================================== What is your success/fail rate per year? - 2012: 10 projects pass / 3 fail - 2010: 6 projects pass / 0 fail - 2008: 5 projects pass / 0 fail - 2007: 5 projects pass / 0 fail ========================================================================== If your org has applied for GSoC before but not been accepted, select the years: - 2015 - 2014 - 2013 ========================================================================== What year was your project started? 2008 ========================================================================== Short description of Pharo (166/180) Pharo is a pure object-oriented programming language and IDE. We innovate every part of the development experience to come up with the best way to work with software. ========================================================================== Long description of Pharo (1401/2000) Pharo is a pure object-oriented programming languagea and IDE. Pharo's goal is to minify the gap between the state of your mind and the functionality of your application. Whether you are writing code, debugging it, inspecting an object, hacking the runtime or tweaking the IDE there should be nothing that stops you from engaging the action with ease and grace. We work both on improving Pharo itself and on developing end user applications in Pharo. Below you will see the highlights of most prominent Pharo features. ### Simple & powerful language No constructors, no types declaration, no interfaces, no primitive types. Yet a powerful and elegant language with a full syntax fitting in one postcard! Pharo is objects and messages all the way down. ### Feel a live environment Feel the joy of having immediate feedback at any moment of your development: Developing, testing, debugging. Even in production environments, you will never be stuck in compiling and deploying steps again! ### Amazing debugging experience The Pharo environment includes a debugger unlike anything you've seen before. It allows you to step through code, restart the execution of methods, create methods on the fly, and much more! ### Pharo is yours Pharo is made by an incredible community, with more than 80 contributors for the last revision of the platform and hundreds of people contributing constantly with frameworks and libraries. ========================================================================== Guidance for students on how to apply to your organization. Should include any prerequisites or requirements. You may wish to include a template or tips for their proposals. (0/1500) TBD ========================================================================== - Regards, -- Serge Stinckwich UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/

Feb. 17, 2016