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Re: Whats the easiest/cheapest way to run a Pharo web app in 2021?

by Tim Mackinnon

That is cheap 3e/m is definitely worth consideringâ¦ but I guess you do have to take care of your own patching etc right (which isnât necessarily horrible, but does require a bit of extra effort to track things). I was interested in whether the next step up in the food chain using Docker images that are hosted for you, might lessen the burden a bit? E.g. if your CI injects a pharo image into the latest âsafeâ docker image from the community - then hopefully you are insulated from all of this. It does look like this is becoming a reality if that dockerize.io soln plays out (I got that working, its cheap - however they havenât answered any of my email queriesâ¦ so I do wonder how real it actually is). The fallback would definitely be something like Hetzner or Digital Ocean I guess. Tim > On 12 Apr 2021, at 08:47, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > > > >> Am 12.04.2021 um 04:02 schrieb Jeff Gray <jeff(a)rogerthedog.com>: >> >> Considering easiest and cheapest, there's always self hosting, or are you >> discounting that idea? >> Most geeks have a bit of spare hardware laying around and broadband >> up-speeds aren't too bad. >> I'm guessing that if we are in the $5 a month ball park then we aren't >> needing a guaranteed up time. >> > > My cloud instance is 3â¬/month. With an additional 20% amount the instance has a backup. And setting it up is way simpler then getting dynamic DNS updates and all of that configured. Times have changed a bit. > > > Norbert

April 12, 2021

Re: Whats the easiest/cheapest way to run a Pharo web app in 2021?

by Norbert Hartl

> Am 12.04.2021 um 04:02 schrieb Jeff Gray <jeff(a)rogerthedog.com>: > > Considering easiest and cheapest, there's always self hosting, or are you > discounting that idea? > Most geeks have a bit of spare hardware laying around and broadband > up-speeds aren't too bad. > I'm guessing that if we are in the $5 a month ball park then we aren't > needing a guaranteed up time. > My cloud instance is 3â¬/month. With an additional 20% amount the instance has a backup. And setting it up is way simpler then getting dynamic DNS updates and all of that configured. Times have changed a bit. Norbert

April 12, 2021

Re: Problem with Pharo 9 - repositories missing

by TomaÅ¾ Turk

Hi, I use Pharo 8 & 9, 32 & 64 on Windows 10 without any problems, except when packages use complex directory structure (path length challenge) that was already mentioned in Seaside thread and elsewhere. Repositories Pharo, Pharo-spec2 etc. are not needed for usual tasks, except if you would like to propose PRs for those - this is the only circumstance that I can think of. As Stephane said, "the code of the projects is in your image/changes", so nothing is missing for the business as usual. I don't know if these get copied from github automatically on MacOS, though, but what would be the purpose of that? Best wishes, Tomaz

April 12, 2021

Re: Problem with Pharo 9 - repositories missing

by Richard Sargent

Sven and everyone else, these are good, pragmatic suggestions. But, the lack of understanding is surely frustrating for David (and for me watching from the sidelines). Can anyone explain why the Windows experience is so radically different from everything else? (Ok, I admit that Windows is a horrible p.o.s. But, it's not some non-human language that cannot be understood. (Ok. Maybe it is.)) On April 11, 2021 11:56:08 PM PDT, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >David, > >Since you have so much trouble building on Windows, I would suggest >building a deployment image on macOS and then copy that over to Windows >(*.image *.changes *.sources), install a VM on Windows, and run >headless with a startup.st script. > >Sven > >> On 11 Apr 2021, at 13:43, <david(a)totallyobjects.com> ><david(a)totallyobjects.com> wrote: >> >> Hi everyone. >> >> I have a simple talk, or so I thought. I am trying to port a Mac >Pharo/Seaside project to either a Windows 2012 server or to a Windows >10 laptop. I have set up my git credentials and that all works fine. >However, when I install either 8.0 or 9.0 on my Windows 10 laptop it >shows he following >> Repositories -- status >> Pharo Local repository missing >> Pharo-spec2 Local repository missing >> Pharo-newtools Local repository >missing >> Iceberg Local repository missing >> Libgit-pharo-bindings Local repository missing >> tonel Local repository missing >> >> What on earth is going on here as installing Pharo on my Mac was >seamless. I have to get the project onto a Windows machine as these are >the only servers that I have. I really canât be this difficult, can it? >> >> How do I get out of this mess, given that that is a clean install? >> David >> Totally Objects

April 12, 2021

Re: Problem with Pharo 9 - repositories missing

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

David, Since you have so much trouble building on Windows, I would suggest building a deployment image on macOS and then copy that over to Windows (*.image *.changes *.sources), install a VM on Windows, and run headless with a startup.st script. Sven > On 11 Apr 2021, at 13:43, <david(a)totallyobjects.com> <david(a)totallyobjects.com> wrote: > > Hi everyone. > > I have a simple talk, or so I thought. I am trying to port a Mac Pharo/Seaside project to either a Windows 2012 server or to a Windows 10 laptop. I have set up my git credentials and that all works fine. However, when I install either 8.0 or 9.0 on my Windows 10 laptop it shows he following > Repositories -- status > Pharo Local repository missing > Pharo-spec2 Local repository missing > Pharo-newtools Local repository missing > Iceberg Local repository missing > Libgit-pharo-bindings Local repository missing > tonel Local repository missing > > What on earth is going on here as installing Pharo on my Mac was seamless. I have to get the project onto a Windows machine as these are the only servers that I have. I really canât be this difficult, can it? > > How do I get out of this mess, given that that is a clean install? > David > Totally Objects

April 12, 2021

Re: Whats the easiest/cheapest way to run a Pharo web app in 2021?

by Jeff Gray

Considering easiest and cheapest, there's always self hosting, or are you discounting that idea? Most geeks have a bit of spare hardware laying around and broadband up-speeds aren't too bad. I'm guessing that if we are in the $5 a month ball park then we aren't needing a guaranteed up time. -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

April 12, 2021

Re: Problem with Pharo 9 - repositories missing

by Sebastian Jordan

You have to set up your repositories through a fork. You can read: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/wiki/Contribute-a-fix-to-Pharo#step-… That applies for all repositories: iceberg, spec2, etc. ________________________________ From: david(a)totallyobjects.com <david(a)totallyobjects.com> Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 7:43:17 AM To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> Subject: [Pharo-users] Problem with Pharo 9 - repositories missing Hi everyone. I have a simple talk, or so I thought. I am trying to port a Mac Pharo/Seaside project to either a Windows 2012 server or to a Windows 10 laptop. I have set up my git credentials and that all works fine. However, when I install either 8.0 or 9.0 on my Windows 10 laptop it shows he following Repositories -- status Pharo Local repository missing Pharo-spec2 Local repository missing Pharo-newtools Local repository missing Iceberg Local repository missing Libgit-pharo-bindings Local repository missing tonel Local repository missing What on earth is going on here as installing Pharo on my Mac was seamless. I have to get the project onto a Windows machine as these are the only servers that I have. I really canât be this difficult, can it? How do I get out of this mess, given that that is a clean install? David Totally Objects

April 11, 2021

Re: Problem with Pharo 9 - repositories missing

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

What the system is telling you is that: while the code of the projects is in your image/changes, the system does not know (it cannot invent because you could running it on the moon or mars for example) where are the git repositories where it could find the working copies and the versionned elements of such packages. I think that the status is pretty clear. So if you want to load code via git from your new machine there is no magic. Git is a distributed versioning system so you have to clone your repo locally and tell it to Pharo. Now iceberg is quite cool because if you do repair it will - clone - configure your working so that it correspond to the code version in your image - probably fetching some version. In fact there is no difference between your mac talking to github and another repository. You have local and remotes + pharo (another kind of local). So Pharo alone can work but it cannot guess where you decided to store your local git repositories. I hope that it helps. S > On 11 Apr 2021, at 13:43, David(a)totallyobjects.com wrote: > > Hi everyone. > > I have a simple talk, or so I thought. I am trying to port a Mac Pharo/Seaside project to either a Windows 2012 server or to a Windows 10 laptop. I have set up my git credentials and that all works fine. However, when I install either 8.0 or 9.0 on my Windows 10 laptop it shows he following > Repositories -- status > Pharo Local repository missing > Pharo-spec2 Local repository missing > Pharo-newtools Local repository missing > Iceberg Local repository missing > Libgit-pharo-bindings Local repository missing > tonel Local repository missing > > What on earth is going on here as installing Pharo on my Mac was seamless. I have to get the project onto a Windows machine as these are the only servers that I have. I really canât be this difficult, can it? > > How do I get out of this mess, given that that is a clean install? > David > Totally Objects -------------------------------------------- StÃ©phane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France

April 11, 2021

Problem with Pharo 9 - repositories missing

by david＠totallyobjects.com

Hi everyone. I have a simple talk, or so I thought. I am trying to port a Mac Pharo/Seaside project to either a Windows 2012 server or to a Windows 10 laptop. I have set up my git credentials and that all works fine. However, when I install either 8.0 or 9.0 on my Windows 10 laptop it shows he following Repositories -- status Pharo Local repository missing Pharo-spec2 Local repository missing Pharo-newtools Local repository missing Iceberg Local repository missing Libgit-pharo-bindings Local repository missing tonel Local repository missing What on earth is going on here as installing Pharo on my Mac was seamless. I have to get the project onto a Windows machine as these are the only servers that I have. I really can't be this difficult, can it? How do I get out of this mess, given that that is a clean install? David Totally Objects

April 11, 2021

Re: Whats the easiest/cheapest way to run a Pharo web app in 2021?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> On 10 Apr 2021, at 10:34, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > > I have the same. A cloud instance at Hetzner, nginx as webserver using certbot for automatic SSL generation. I also use a static site generator which I wrote myself to produce my blog https://norbert.hartl.name <https://norbert.hartl.name/> . I use the skeleton CSS library which is tiny and understandable and does not need tons of markup. > > This is one of my playgrounds for pillar and microdown. I think pharo settles around this combination to produce documents which is very well suited to produce a website, too. Leo a new student is arriving next week to work on pillar and help to start with. > > Norbert > >> Am 09.04.2021 um 03:33 schrieb Pierce Ng <pierce(a)samadhiweb.com <mailto:pierce@samadhiweb.com>>: >> >> On Thu, Apr 08, 2021 at 11:58:10AM +0100, Tim Mackinnon wrote: >>> Pierce - who/where are you rnning your Docker image? Do you use a >>> particular service (or are you running your own?) >> >> I am using a Linux VPS which I manage myself. >> >> The Pharo application is my blog. It was a web app fronted by a HTTPS >> reverse proxy. At the start of this year I rewrote it into a static site >> generator. Instead of running all the time, Pharo is now invoked when >> triggered by a CI hook, which happens when I publish a new blog post or >> otherwise update my site. >> >> I play with all kinds of software on my VPS and it was getting a bit RAM >> cramped, hence the rewrite. Wasn't willing to spend more money every month >> for more RAM. :-P >> >> Pierce > -------------------------------------------- StÃ©phane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France

April 10, 2021