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Re: [Pharo-users] GLMPanePort hold instances of my classes?

by Tudor Girba

Hi, You should close the respective Glamour browser. Could it be that you have an opened inspector? If so, try closing it and see what happens. Doru > On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:28 AM, Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras <vonbecmann(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, > is there a way to tell to GLMPanePort to release my stupid objects and classes? > because i want to change a class and i can't. there's another bug when migrating > instances (not easy to reproduce). so im trying to release all the references. > is it possible?? > > thanks. > > example: > Port (pane=#evaluator name=#entity value=([A = A, AÂ·. @ [45, 127]])) > Port (pane='root' name=#selection value=([A = A, AÂ·. @ [45, 127]])) > JEPackedNode(ProtoObject)>>gtInspectorActionBrowse > [ :aPresentation | each gtInspectorActions asOrderedCollection ] > etc. > > > Image > ----- > Pharo5.0 > Latest update: #50761 > Unnamed > > Virtual Machine > --------------- > CoInterpreter VMMaker.oscog-HolgerHansPeterFreyther.1880 uuid: 16138eb3-2390-40f5-a6c8-15f0494936f8 Jul 18 2016 > StackToRegisterMappingCogit VMMaker.oscog-HolgerHansPeterFreyther.1880 uuid: 16138eb3-2390-40f5-a6c8-15f0494936f8 Jul 18 2016 > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm.git Commit: 3daf6cb181c8332cf6993b07430e0d5f0886fda9 Date: 2016-07-16 18:01:23 +0200 By: GitHub <noreply(a)github.com> Jenkins build #597 > > Unix built on Jul 18 2016 16:36:31 Compiler: 4.6.3 > VMMaker versionString https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm.git Commit: 3daf6cb181c8332cf6993b07430e0d5f0886fda9 Date: 2016-07-16 18:01:23 +0200 By: GitHub <noreply(a)github.com> Jenkins build #597 > CoInterpreter VMMaker.oscog-HolgerHansPeterFreyther.1880 uuid: 16138eb3-2390-40f5-a6c8-15f0494936f8 Jul 18 2016 > StackToRegisterMappingCogit VMMaker.oscog-HolgerHansPeterFreyther.1880 uuid: 16138eb3-2390-40f5-a6c8-15f0494936f8 Jul 18 2016 > > > > -- > Bernardo E.C. > > Sent from a cheap desktop computer in South America. -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "Every thing has its own flow."

Sept. 21, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] Get implementors list window from Spotter

by Tudor Girba

Hi, > On Sep 21, 2016, at 3:16 AM, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > > > Sorry, I donât mean to sound like a smartass, but apparently the data shows that this is not sufficient. Otherwise people would not ask on the mailing list, like Esteban did originally (and as I remember other people asking). > > Speaking for myself, I honestly would not think about clicking on the ? icon to expect these kinds of instructions. I cannot say exactly why, I only have a feeling that the ? does not transmit to me that there are âpower userâ tips, and I expect a ? icon to just tell me basic things. Thanks for the feedback. Still, my question remains: is the help explanatory enough or do we need to improve it? Doru > -- > Does this mail seem too brief? Sorry for that, I donât mean to be rude! Please see http://emailcharter.org . > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD and RyCh labs - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > >> On Sep 20, 2016, at 17:04, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >> >> We tried to address this with the help? Please let me know if some parts need updates or more explanations. >> >> Doru >> >>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 9:03 PM, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I repeat my comment from before: The discoverability of UI of Spotter is much too low. Please please please add a bit of explanation to the spotter window to show all these cool things with the hashtags and the keyboard shortcuts. There is *no way* for a normal Pharo user to discover this. >>> >>> -- >>> Does this mail seem too brief? Sorry for that, I donât mean to be rude! Please see http://emailcharter.org . >>> >>> Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry >>> PLEIAD and RyCh labs - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile >>> >>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 15:19, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> You can also press do: >>>> mySelector Cmd+m >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Doru >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:18 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> mySelector #impl >>>>> >>>>>> On 20 Sep 2016, at 20:00, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> How can I open the implementors list from Spotter? >>>>>> >>>>>> I want to browse through the code of the different implementors as I >>>>>> do by selecting a selector and searching an implementor (or Ctr+M). >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Esteban A. Maringolo >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>> www.feenk.com >>>> >>>> "Quality cannot be an afterthought." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> www.feenk.com >> >> "Being happy is a matter of choice." >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "There are no old things, there are only old ways of looking at them."

Sept. 21, 2016

GLMPanePort hold instances of my classes?

by Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras

Hi, is there a way to tell to GLMPanePort to release my stupid objects and classes? because i want to change a class and i can't. there's another bug when migrating instances (not easy to reproduce). so im trying to release all the references. is it possible?? thanks. example: Port (pane=#evaluator name=#entity value=([A = A, AÂ·. @ [45, 127]])) Port (pane='root' name=#selection value=([A = A, AÂ·. @ [45, 127]])) JEPackedNode(ProtoObject)>>gtInspectorActionBrowse [ :aPresentation | each gtInspectorActions asOrderedCollection ] etc. Image ----- Pharo5.0 Latest update: #50761 Unnamed Virtual Machine --------------- CoInterpreter VMMaker.oscog-HolgerHansPeterFreyther.1880 uuid: 16138eb3-2390-40f5-a6c8-15f0494936f8 Jul 18 2016 StackToRegisterMappingCogit VMMaker.oscog-HolgerHansPeterFreyther.1880 uuid: 16138eb3-2390-40f5-a6c8-15f0494936f8 Jul 18 2016 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm.git Commit: 3daf6cb181c8332cf6993b07430e0d5f0886fda9 Date: 2016-07-16 18:01:23 +0200 By: GitHub <noreply(a)github.com> Jenkins build #597 Unix built on Jul 18 2016 16:36:31 Compiler: 4.6.3 VMMaker versionString https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm.git Commit: 3daf6cb181c8332cf6993b07430e0d5f0886fda9 Date: 2016-07-16 18:01:23 +0200 By: GitHub <noreply(a)github.com> Jenkins build #597 CoInterpreter VMMaker.oscog-HolgerHansPeterFreyther.1880 uuid: 16138eb3-2390-40f5-a6c8-15f0494936f8 Jul 18 2016 StackToRegisterMappingCogit VMMaker.oscog-HolgerHansPeterFreyther.1880 uuid: 16138eb3-2390-40f5-a6c8-15f0494936f8 Jul 18 2016 -- Bernardo E.C. Sent from a cheap desktop computer in South America.

Sept. 21, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] Get implementors list window from Spotter

by Johan Fabry

Sorry, I donât mean to sound like a smartass, but apparently the data shows that this is not sufficient. Otherwise people would not ask on the mailing list, like Esteban did originally (and as I remember other people asking). Speaking for myself, I honestly would not think about clicking on the ? icon to expect these kinds of instructions. I cannot say exactly why, I only have a feeling that the ? does not transmit to me that there are âpower userâ tips, and I expect a ? icon to just tell me basic things. -- Does this mail seem too brief? Sorry for that, I donât mean to be rude! Please see http://emailcharter.org . Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD and RyCh labs - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > On Sep 20, 2016, at 17:04, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > > We tried to address this with the help? Please let me know if some parts need updates or more explanations. > > Doru > >> On Sep 20, 2016, at 9:03 PM, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: >> >> >> I repeat my comment from before: The discoverability of UI of Spotter is much too low. Please please please add a bit of explanation to the spotter window to show all these cool things with the hashtags and the keyboard shortcuts. There is *no way* for a normal Pharo user to discover this. >> >> -- >> Does this mail seem too brief? Sorry for that, I donât mean to be rude! Please see http://emailcharter.org . >> >> Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry >> PLEIAD and RyCh labs - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile >> >>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 15:19, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >>> >>> You can also press do: >>> mySelector Cmd+m >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Doru >>> >>> >>>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:18 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> mySelector #impl >>>> >>>>> On 20 Sep 2016, at 20:00, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> How can I open the implementors list from Spotter? >>>>> >>>>> I want to browse through the code of the different implementors as I >>>>> do by selecting a selector and searching an implementor (or Ctr+M). >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Esteban A. Maringolo >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com >>> www.feenk.com >>> >>> "Quality cannot be an afterthought." >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > www.feenk.com > > "Being happy is a matter of choice." > > > > > >

Sept. 21, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] Get implementors list window from Spotter

by Esteban A. Maringolo

2016-09-20 17:49 GMT-03:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>: >>> Could you please open an issue with your request? >> Sure, Where? > https://pharo.fogbugz.com Done. <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/19118/Spotter-implementors-should-offer-o…> Esteban A. Maringolo

Sept. 20, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] Get implementors list window from Spotter

by Tudor Girba

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:46 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Esteban A. Maringolo > > > 2016-09-20 17:41 GMT-03:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>: >>> It doesn't work, everything works with Ctrl as command modifier. >> >> What version do you use? What operating system? > > 'Pharo5.0 of 16 April 2015 update 50761' Ubuntu Linux 16.04 64 bit. > >> Could you please open an issue with your request? > > Sure, Where? https://pharo.fogbugz.com Doru > > Regards, > -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "If you can't say why something is relevant, it probably isn't."

Sept. 20, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] Get implementors list window from Spotter

by Esteban A. Maringolo

Esteban A. Maringolo 2016-09-20 17:41 GMT-03:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>: >> It doesn't work, everything works with Ctrl as command modifier. > > What version do you use? What operating system? 'Pharo5.0 of 16 April 2015 update 50761' Ubuntu Linux 16.04 64 bit. > Could you please open an issue with your request? Sure, Where? Regards,

Sept. 20, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] Get implementors list window from Spotter

by Tudor Girba

Hi, > On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:37 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > 2016-09-20 17:30 GMT-03:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>: >> >> Hi, >> >> Could you try with Alt+M? > > It doesn't work, everything works with Ctrl as command modifier. What version do you use? What operating system? >> About the wish to open the Message Browser, this is indeed not supported. > >> What we miss is a category action. In this case, the Implementors would open the Message Browser. >> So, in this case, the use case would be: >> >> #mySelector Cmd+m Cmd+Shift+Enter > >> Would this address your expectation? > > I'm not used to doble shortcuts, I'd prefer a single Ctrl+Shift+M to > open the message browser. But as long as the function is there, I > don't mind using the mouse to access it rather than adding a shortcut > if it doesn't follow a common shortcut pattern, I have to use the > mouse for many features, so I'm already dependent of it. Ok. The shortcut would be standard for all categories. Of course, settable from the settings. Could you please open an issue with your request? Cheers, Doru > Regards, > > > Esteban A. Maringolo > -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com âSoftware has no shape. Actually, it has no one shape. It has many."

Sept. 20, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] Get implementors list window from Spotter

by Esteban A. Maringolo

2016-09-20 17:30 GMT-03:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>: > > Hi, > > Could you try with Alt+M? It doesn't work, everything works with Ctrl as command modifier. > About the wish to open the Message Browser, this is indeed not supported. > What we miss is a category action. In this case, the Implementors would open the Message Browser. > So, in this case, the use case would be: > > #mySelector Cmd+m Cmd+Shift+Enter > Would this address your expectation? I'm not used to doble shortcuts, I'd prefer a single Ctrl+Shift+M to open the message browser. But as long as the function is there, I don't mind using the mouse to access it rather than adding a shortcut if it doesn't follow a common shortcut pattern, I have to use the mouse for many features, so I'm already dependent of it. Regards, Esteban A. Maringolo

Sept. 20, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] Get implementors list window from Spotter

by Tudor Girba

Hi, Could you try with Alt+M? About the wish to open the Message Browser, this is indeed not supported. What we miss is a category action. In this case, the Implementors would open the Message Browser. So, in this case, the use case would be: #mySelector Cmd+m Cmd+Shift+Enter Would this address your expectation? Cheers, Doru > On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:21 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > 2016-09-20 15:19 GMT-03:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>: > > You can also press do: > > mySelector Cmd+m > > > >> On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:18 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> mySelector #impl > > I open spotter, type 'printString' and press Ctrl+M and nothing happens. > <image.png> > > If I type #impl it filters the implementors. > <image.png> > > > Neither of those opens this, expected, window. > > <image.png> > > The image is a fresh 'Pharo5.0 of 16 April 2015 update 50761'. > > > Regards, > > -- > Esteban. > > -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "Value is always contextual."

Sept. 20, 2016