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Re: [Pharo-users] The Ultimate Smalltalk Tutorial

by stepharo

thanks for this feedback. This reminds me that we should finish to push Updated Pharo by Example to the publication part Le 24/10/16 Ã 07:56, Nicolai Hess a Ã©crit : > > Am 23.10.2016 3:16 nachm. schrieb "Vitor Medina Cruz" > <vitormcruz(a)gmail.com <mailto:vitormcruz@gmail.com>>: > > > > I think the MOOC is too much for a tutorial. What I miss today is a > good written (no videos! Please!) tutorial that teaches just a little > of the language and give a few guidelines on how to do simple stuff > with the environment, such as a "Hello World!", creating a class, > tests and run stuff. > > I thought "pharo by example" provides exactly that. > What is missing here, from your perspective? > I learned a lot from it and it helped me to get started to learn > smalltalk, not only the syntax, but also, doing something the > smalltalk way. > > > > > On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 12:15 PM, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com > <mailto:horrido.hobbies@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> > >> Excellent suggestion! I shall look into it. Thanks. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/The-Ultimate-Smalltalk-Tutorial-tp4918859p4918930.html > >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >> > > >

Oct. 26, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] The Ultimate Smalltalk Tutorial

by stepharo

So tell us what is missing because we already have an impressive list and you read nearly everything. I do not see what we can do more than that. I mean it seriously (I'm writing a new book on Learning OOP with Pharo) but this is not what you are looking for. Then I do not see why Building the Quinto game or the counter does not work for you. Stef Le 24/10/16 Ã 00:50, Vitor Medina Cruz a Ã©crit : > *stepharo:* > > I am not saying it for me, but to get other people into the Smalltalk > community. My interest in Smalltalk spark the first time I read > the Design Principles Behind Smalltalk, since then I: > > 1- Read the BlueBook (yes) before I know of Pharo; > 2- Read "I Can Read C++ and Java But I Canât Read Smalltalk"; > 3- Read a number of Smalltalk resources, tutorials, blogs etc; > 4- Did Profstef; > 5- Learn a little of Redline Smalltalk; > 6- Tried Squeek, didn't like; > 7- Find Pharo, like it more than Squeek; > 8- Read Pharo By Example almost entirely, the first example didn't > work (at least at the time) because some dependencies were missing, > then I search into the internet, found what was missing and keep going; > 9- Did the MOOC ENTIRELY, and I saw all the videos, yes! > > So, is there any other thing you think I *maybe* haven't done, despite > the fact that you don't know me much? > > As for someone who did the MOOC, I don't think it's a good tutorial in > the lines I understand Richard described in the start of this thread: > for newcomers. Don't get me wrong, it's a very good course if you > would like to get more deep into Pharo and OO, but I understand the > intention of Richard was other. So, except from Porfstef, I think none > of those resources is a good start point for newcomers, because none > of them were good for me nor the people I tried to introduce Pharo. I > just keep going because I was already VERY interested in Smalltalk, if > not for that I would have also given up. > > My opinion is only that, an opinion, you can take it or not, it was > not meant to be personal or whatever, but if you wanna take it as so > there isn't much I can do. > > *Phil:* > > Thanks for your suggestions, but I was just telling Richard that I > think the MOOC was too much for a tutorial, that I think other format > and something simpler would be better for newcomers. > > *Dimitri:* > > I am already on STEP 4 ;) > > I think what is missing is something before all that, something that > spark the "I am interested in Pharo", the STEP 0. What does that > today? I think a simple tutorial that catch the attention of people > would do that. Right now I think it is too hard for someone to get > interested in Smalltalk in general, and Pharo in particular, because > something like that is missing, and one must really understand and see > the value of Smalltalk to persist and keep going and learning, like > happened to me. > > Regards, > Vitor > > On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Dimitris Chloupis > <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: > > The four stages of Pharo addiction > > STEP1 > "I am interested in Pharo , any quick tutorial to get me started ?" > > If you want a quick dive to Pharo for experienced coders there is > this > > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/UpdatedPharoByExample/lastSucces… > <https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/UpdatedPharoByExample/lastSucces…> > > STEP2 > "Ah I really like Pharo maybe more info about the language and a > practical example to give it a go myself ?" > > for a bit more dive into the Smalltalk language there is this > > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/UpdatedPharoByExample/lastSucces… > <https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/UpdatedPharoByExample/lastSucces…> > > STEP3 > "Damn this is really cool , where I can find more info I really > like to give this a deeper look!" > > and of course the rest of the book for those that cant get enough > of Pharo > > https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/UpdatedPharoByExample > <https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/UpdatedPharoByExample> > > > STEP4 > "I hate you so much !!! I cant sleep, cant eat, no friends, ex > girlfriend.... AHHH CANNNOT STOP !!!! TOO MUCH FUN!!!" > > > On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 4:16 PM Vitor Medina Cruz > <vitormcruz(a)gmail.com <mailto:vitormcruz@gmail.com>> wrote: > > I think the MOOC is too much for a tutorial. What I miss today > is a good written (no videos! Please!) tutorial that teaches > just a little of the language and give a few guidelines on how > to do simple stuff with the environment, such as a "Hello > World!", creating a class, tests and run stuff. > > On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 12:15 PM, horrido > <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com <mailto:horrido.hobbies@gmail.com>> > wrote: > > Excellent suggestion! I shall look into it. Thanks. > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/The-Ultimate-Smalltalk-Tutorial-tp4918859p4918930.html > <http://forum.world.st/The-Ultimate-Smalltalk-Tutorial-tp4918859p4918930.html> > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive > at Nabble.com. > > >

Oct. 26, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] The Ultimate Smalltalk Tutorial

by stepharo

It was quite fun Tx for this cool tour. https://pharoweekly.wordpress.com/2016/10/25/the-four-stages-of-pharo-addic… Stef Le 23/10/16 Ã 18:26, Dimitris Chloupis a Ã©crit : > The four stages of Pharo addiction > > STEP1 > "I am interested in Pharo , any quick tutorial to get me started ?" > > If you want a quick dive to Pharo for experienced coders there is this > > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/UpdatedPharoByExample/lastSucces… > > STEP2 > "Ah I really like Pharo maybe more info about the language and a > practical example to give it a go myself ?" > > for a bit more dive into the Smalltalk language there is this > > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/UpdatedPharoByExample/lastSucces… > > STEP3 > "Damn this is really cool , where I can find more info I really like > to give this a deeper look!" > > and of course the rest of the book for those that cant get enough of Pharo > > https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/UpdatedPharoByExample > > > STEP4 > "I hate you so much !!! I cant sleep, cant eat, no friends, ex > girlfriend.... AHHH CANNNOT STOP !!!! TOO MUCH FUN!!!" > > On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 4:16 PM Vitor Medina Cruz > <vitormcruz(a)gmail.com <mailto:vitormcruz@gmail.com>> wrote: > > I think the MOOC is too much for a tutorial. What I miss today is > a good written (no videos! Please!) tutorial that teaches just a > little of the language and give a few guidelines on how to do > simple stuff with the environment, such as a "Hello World!", > creating a class, tests and run stuff. > > On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 12:15 PM, horrido > <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com <mailto:horrido.hobbies@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Excellent suggestion! I shall look into it. Thanks. > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/The-Ultimate-Smalltalk-Tutorial-tp4918859p4918930.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > >

Oct. 25, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] SCouchDB install not working in Pharo: "MessageNotUnderstood: receiver of ""mantis"" is nil"

by stepharo

Le 25/10/16 Ã 17:56, pvdh(a)vanderheyden.be a Ã©crit : > Hi, > > I have tried to 'ConfigurationOfSCouchDB load' in Pharo 4 and 5. > > It seems to load an old configuration of Seaside and it ends up with an > error: > > "No version found for #stable of ConfigurationOfOmniBrowser while > loading Seaside" > Indeed it looks odd and old. And this is why I would love to have a dsitrubution validation process. (It will come). Philippe I cannot check it now nedd to leave now. I hope someone can help. > I don't understand why the ConfigurationOfSCouchDB depends on Seaside > and why it refer to an old Seaside 3.0 version. > > Thank in advance for your help, > Philippe > > >

Oct. 25, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] New Pharo blog - "Pharo Trek"

by stepharo

dimitris may be you should have a look at ecstatic. We should migrate it to the latest version of Pillar but our ideas was to use pillar to produce static web site. http://guillep.github.io/ecstatic/ The web site of guille is produced with ecstatic https://guillep.github.io/research.html If you could give a try and give feedback it would be nice. I'm building new components to get publication lists integrated into it. Stef Le 25/10/16 Ã 20:47, Dimitris Chloupis a Ã©crit : > Thanks Offray > > My "backend" is Octopus and Pillar so 100% Pharo :) But I do edit the > final Html, mainly fine tuning. Pillar and Octopus deal with the long > text and generate the appropriate HTML. > The blog and website are static because they are hosted by Gitlab and > only static website generators are allowed, not that I need something > more I am very happy with the simplicity of it. > The templates I use are bootsrap from getboostrap website. > > I will keep improving them, but for now I am very happy with the end > result > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 8:30 PM Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas > <offray.luna(a)mutabit.com <mailto:offray.luna@mutabit.com>> wrote: > > Seems nice. Which back end do you use for your website? > > Cheers, > > Offray > > > On 25/10/16 07:37, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > > So I decided to take a stab at making my own blog for pharo and > making > > my own website for my projects and my work , you can find my > blog here > > > > http://www.kilon-alios.com/subpages/blog/index.html > > > > Does not have much content, but there is a blog post about my latest > > project Octopus . Hope you like it , stay tune for more :) > > > > > >

Oct. 25, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] Second Pharo Techtalk has been uploaded

by phil＠highoctane.be

You are welcome. On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 8:50 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Oh and I want to thank Phil for allowing me to use his banner for techtalk > without his permission ;) > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 9:42 PM Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Second Pharo Techtalk audio recording has been uploaded, more info here >> >> http://www.kilon-alios.com/subpages/blog/blogposts/ >> 20161025-Techtalk-post.html >> >>

Oct. 25, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] New Pharo blog - "Pharo Trek"

by Dimitris Chloupis

not for now, I never used RSS feeds myself and have no clue how to add one so it will have to wait for now. This is actually my first effort at creating a blog and a website from scratch, well if you exclude the bootsrap templates. I did it this way because I wanted more control and an opportunity to learn at least HTML stuff. But of course this is the nothing more than the first steps, I will keep improving it slowly. On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:00 PM Petr Fischer <petr.fischer(a)me.com> wrote: > No RSS? :) > > > > So I decided to take a stab at making my own blog for pharo and making my > > own website for my projects and my work , you can find my blog here > > > > http://www.kilon-alios.com/subpages/blog/index.html > > > > Does not have much content, but there is a blog post about my latest > > project Octopus . Hope you like it , stay tune for more :) > >

Oct. 25, 2016

AST-Core-Parser readFrom: question

by Brad Selfridge

Is it safe to use the AST-Core-Parser class extension "readFrom:" in a business application? ----- Brad Selfridge -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/AST-Core-Parser-readFrom-question-tp4920128.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Oct. 25, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] New Pharo blog - "Pharo Trek"

by Petr Fischer

No RSS? :) > So I decided to take a stab at making my own blog for pharo and making my > own website for my projects and my work , you can find my blog here > > http://www.kilon-alios.com/subpages/blog/index.html > > Does not have much content, but there is a blog post about my latest > project Octopus . Hope you like it , stay tune for more :)

Oct. 25, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] Second Pharo Techtalk has been uploaded

by Dimitris Chloupis

Oh and I want to thank Phil for allowing me to use his banner for techtalk without his permission ;) On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 9:42 PM Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Second Pharo Techtalk audio recording has been uploaded, more info here > > > http://www.kilon-alios.com/subpages/blog/blogposts/20161025-Techtalk-post.h… > >

Oct. 25, 2016