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Re: [Pharo-users] The Ultimate Smalltalk Tutorial

by Vitor Medina Cruz

Sorry, many things to do and I wasn't able to look at the Pharo list. *Dimitris:* I really like you idea, and I think it will certainly be better than the videos. I didn't know of Grafoscopio, and I found it interesting too. Do you need someone to test? In latter stages I could try convince some people to try the tutorial too and provide feedback. *Offray:* Thanks for the links, I added them to my read list :) On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 6:40 AM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > + 1 :) > > share codevelop and expand :) > > Le 27/10/16 Ã 17:43, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas a Ã©crit : > > Hi Dimitris, > > Goals 1 to 6 overlap with the ones Grafoscopio. Could you test it please > to see if we can work together in some way or Grafoscopio could work as a > foundation for your work? In that way we could break the lonely developer > reality for this one. > > Cheers, > > Offray > > On 27/10/16 09:00, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > > I decided to make a new version for ProfStef released under then name > "Pharo Live Tutorial". > > My goals are to: > 1) add to it a history panel, so the user can navigate to the part he > wants. > 2) group parts into chapters to make progress more clear > 3) break some parts to smaller parts to ensure smooth learning curve > 4) add it to the help section of the world menu , so it is far more > visible to the user > 5) link parts to relevant chapter and section of PBE5 (or any other > relevant book), so the user can easily access more detailed info in case he > wants to. > 6) Design the tool so it can accommodate multiple tutorials, each having > its own chapters and parts > 7) Design a GUI to navigate to tutorials > 8) Integrate it with GTSpotter so the user can easily find the information > he or she wants > 9) Integrate small challenge games to help the user test what he learned > and have fun at the same time, with ability to be awarded with a score in > terms of "levels" and of course badges for achievements ;) > 10) Provide an integrated blog (nothing fancy, just text) , for latest > news about pharo , this blog will be basically copying some of my blog > posts , to show to users that we are alive and kicking and not just an > almost dead project and of course advertise the hard work of many of my > fellow guardians of the light. > > PS: obviously references to Stef will remain and he will be credited as > author of the tutorial > > Can't promise when it will be ready and can't promise first version will > include all the above but this is the direction I want to go with this. > This live interactive tutorial will replace my video tutorials since they > are too hard to keep updated. > > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 3:04 PM Vitor Medina Cruz <vitormcruz(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> *stepharo:* >> >> Why not pushing/improving >> >> either >> UPBE >> ProfStef >> With the Mooc Counter example: In TWO MINUTES people get >> something DONE a simple counter. >> What else can it be. >> >> >> I run the following experience during my lecture. I give 1 hour >> presentation about pharo / vision / sneakpeek and ask them to watch the >> counter >> video and redo it and it works! >> >> >> Indeed, you can. My opinion was in the lines of improving Profstef :) >> >> Mooc may be good in a class with a teacher for the student to take >> doubts, but I find a little confusing for someone that finds it by its own >> in pharo.org. >> >> I have some friends on the field, some are overseas (I am in Brazil) and >> when the opportunity comes I talk about Smalltalk and Pharo and how good it >> is, then: >> >> 1- Some get interested and asks for reference, I usually point to the >> Proftef, the site and the PBE; >> 2- Some are interested and we are close so I can I explain something >> myself and show the environment, maybe pairing; >> 3- Sometimes someone got interested and went to the pharo.org by itself >> and I know of that only afterwards. >> >> In every situation people got confused :( >> >> The best time was 2, because I could explain better what was going on, >> but usually people try by itself, and that don't went well. For example, >> some report to me that had made the exercise from PBE and got really >> confused in the end: what was that I was doing? Where are my classes again? >> Workspace? Where is the code again? What happened? >> >> I think it is hard for someone that already internalize the concept of >> image and self contained environment to understand why this confusion is >> happening, but when you come to think about it that is not so strange >> because people are used to files and all those crap static stuff, so it is >> kind of a huge paradigm shift learning Pharo: it *is* confusing for >> them. >> >> But it seems to me that you are focusing more on fresh people, been teach >> on classrooms and such, right now. That may be good, I am not sure if >> people already in the industry can be cooped in enough size to be able to >> improve Pharo community and use. >> >> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 9:21 AM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: >> >> funnily dale I read it like you wish :) >> >> >> >> Le 26/10/16 Ã 21:53, Dale Henrichs a Ã©crit : >> >> >> >> On 10/26/16 12:13 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas wrote: >> >> >> Hi, >> >> On the issue of contributing to Free, Libre, Open Source Software (FLOSS) >> projects, I have been reading recently Nadia Eghbal and her analysis that >> confirm that most FLOSS projects are done by individuals and small teams, >> which is contrary to the bazaar narrative. This comic shows the point: >> >> and you can find more details here: https://medium.com/@nayafia/ >> what-success-really-looks-like-in-open-source-2dd1facaf91c#.e360z53sf >> >> After skimming the actual article and finding that the points made in the >> article are valid I would have wished that the right panel in the cartoon >> had said "one more pull request before going to bed" since that is closer >> to what the article is about ... an active, community that contributes is >> also an important component and something that Pharo/Smalltalk community >> does indeed have. >> >> Dale >> >> >> >> > >

Nov. 3, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] How does Boolean ifTrue work?

by Denis Kudriashov

2016-11-03 14:22 GMT+01:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: > If you can do this in Python imagine the potential of Pharo. > > I am itching actually to implement my own lisp dialect in Pharo. I think there was Lisp for Squeak (and also Prolog). And port to Pharo should not be difficult.

Nov. 3, 2016

MOOC TOC cleanup

by Siemen Baader

Hi all, especially Luc, StÃ©phane and Damien, the Pharo MOOC course was fantastic and I use the archived material for reference quite a lot. It is here: https://www.fun-mooc.fr/courses/inria/41010/session01/b116d12e24ec484c98483… But - the English table of contents is in French, and the attached ZIP files need to be downloaded before they can be browsed. It gets quite messy. Would anyone with the required permissions be OK to: - translate the TOC to English - split the ZIP files into separate elements under their respective headlines that can be viewed in the browser or - grant me the permissions to do this work for the community? best, Siemen -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/MOOC-TOC-cleanup-tp4921304.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Nov. 3, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] How does Boolean ifTrue work?

by Johan Fabry

> On 03 Nov 2016, at 10:22, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I don't agree with you not agreeing with me, because I never said it would be Smalltalk or Pharo (for those that think that Pharo is not Smalltalk). OK but the original question was "Why don't Smalltalk or Smalltalklike languages have checked interfaces?â and my mail was an answer to that. -- Does this mail seem too brief? Sorry for that, I donât mean to be rude! Please see http://emailcharter.org <http://emailcharter.org/> . Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD and RyCh labs - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

Nov. 3, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] [ALERT] Pharo by Example version 5 is about to be released

by Nicolai Hess

2016-10-27 13:32 GMT+02:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: > In case someone missed it I will be doing a release for version 5 (pharo > version = pbe version) this weekend , since we had Pharo 7 initiated few > days ago. > > Essentially that means that the repo will be tagged for version 5, which > means a git commit is associated as a last commit for that version and > there will be a frozen release - download for Pharo by Example version 5. > After that we move to Pharo By Example version 6 or PBE6 for short > > The repo wont change otherwise and the process of submitting commits, pull > requests and issues remains the same. > > If you have found a flaw of any sort in the documentation , please open an > issue in the github issue tracker that can be found here > > https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/UpdatedPharoByExample/issues > > I will try to fix any problem reported but if I cannot , the fix will have > to move to version 6 > > As always thanks to all people contributing into the impossible .... > making Pharo more amazing > > If you want to contribute feel free to do so with a pull request. > > Does not matter if you are beginner because even minor corrections like > correcting mistakes in the grammar or content of the text, updated > pictures, or just a few lines of extra info are more than enough and more > than welcomed. Many Pharo beginners have already done so . > > -Salute to fellow Guardians of The Light > I found some problems, but I don't have time to report/fix them now, I 'll try to report them later (today or tomorrow).

Nov. 3, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] How does Boolean ifTrue work?

by Dimitris Chloupis

I don't agree with you not agreeing with me, because I never said it would be Smalltalk or Pharo (for those that think that Pharo is not Smalltalk). Yes Strongtalk is a good example, in the case of Pharo you could retain compatibility with Pharo if you followed the example of Hy lang http://docs.hylang.org/en/latest/ Basically Hy is a lisp dialect that runs on top of python , using python's AST library, from one hand it gives you lisp including macros on the other it outputs pure python code which means you can use any python library from Hy and any Hy library from python without any wrapping or extra steps. If you can do this in Python imagine the potential of Pharo. I am itching actually to implement my own lisp dialect in Pharo. On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 3:06 PM Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > > I donât agree with that, if you implement static types or interfaces itâs > no longer really Smalltalk. It would be (a variant of) Strongtalk > http://www.bracha.org/nwst.html http://www.strongtalk.org/index.html > > -- > Does this mail seem too brief? Sorry for that, I donât mean to be rude! > Please see http://emailcharter.org . > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD and RyCh labs - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University > of Chile > > On 03 Nov 2016, at 03:11, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Actually sorry Igor but you are wrong, you just defeated the purpose of > Smalltalk. To expose you to the internals. Of course you can implement > interfaces. You can even implement static types. You can do anything you > want. > > The compiler is written in Smalltalk after all. > > On Wed, 2 Nov 2016 at 23:02, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > If you want to ensure that your class(es) comply with certain protocol, > just write a test that covers the protocol and checks that class instances > will understand messages you want it to understand. > But there's no way to restrict your class to comply to whole protocol once > at a time, because tools made in a way, that you populating your class with > methods, each method is add individually and compiled separately, and the > only validation, the compiler is capable of is basically compliance with > smalltalk syntax. And it doesn't cares about higher lever requirement, like > whether your class turns to be 'valid' because of a method you just added, > ready to be used and for what. > Even more, there's no way to connect all those 'interface' formalisation > garbage rules with send sites (the place where you actually invoking one or > another method of one of potetial implementor of your interface), so it > makes no sense to do any (pre)validation on whatever class/object in a > system in order to check whether it conforms with it or not. > That's " Why don't Smalltalk or Smalltalklike languages have checked > interfaces?" > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. > > >

Nov. 3, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] How does Boolean ifTrue work?

by Johan Fabry

I donât agree with that, if you implement static types or interfaces itâs no longer really Smalltalk. It would be (a variant of) Strongtalk http://www.bracha.org/nwst.html http://www.strongtalk.org/index.html -- Does this mail seem too brief? Sorry for that, I donât mean to be rude! Please see http://emailcharter.org <http://emailcharter.org/> . Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD and RyCh labs - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > On 03 Nov 2016, at 03:11, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Actually sorry Igor but you are wrong, you just defeated the purpose of Smalltalk. To expose you to the internals. Of course you can implement interfaces. You can even implement static types. You can do anything you want. > > The compiler is written in Smalltalk after all. > > On Wed, 2 Nov 2016 at 23:02, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com <mailto:siguctua@gmail.com>> wrote: > > If you want to ensure that your class(es) comply with certain protocol, just write a test that covers the protocol and checks that class instances will understand messages you want it to understand. > But there's no way to restrict your class to comply to whole protocol once at a time, because tools made in a way, that you populating your class with methods, each method is add individually and compiled separately, and the only validation, the compiler is capable of is basically compliance with smalltalk syntax. And it doesn't cares about higher lever requirement, like whether your class turns to be 'valid' because of a method you just added, ready to be used and for what. > Even more, there's no way to connect all those 'interface' formalisation garbage rules with send sites (the place where you actually invoking one or another method of one of potetial implementor of your interface), so it makes no sense to do any (pre)validation on whatever class/object in a system in order to check whether it conforms with it or not. > That's " Why don't Smalltalk or Smalltalklike languages have checked interfaces?" > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko.

Nov. 3, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo desktop UI

by Pavel Krivanek

For older Pharo versions there exists framework for native UI named Phobos that uses XULRunner to display user interface. Screenshots: http://imgur.com/a/HFzuE -- Pavel 2016-11-02 22:43 GMT+01:00 vikenti <vikenti.potapov(a)gmail.com>: > Hello, i'm newbie in Pharo, converted from Visual Works which is quite > different from Pharo Smalltalk. > I started to port my application (i've been working on for about three > years) from VW (because of new personal user licensing limitations of > Visual > Works), but i have to solve some problems and need your advice. > > These ase some of the most important problems: > 1. I need to rewrite the whole GUI from scratch. What UI framework to > choose and where to get documentation? Please, don't send me to research > code examples instead of docs - i do this during whole last week. The > example should be complete and simple: one task - one example, all examples > i've seen are either not applicable to real life or too complicated to > understand. > - I need simple window with menu (how to attach menu items to menu > handlers???? - no answer in examples) > - Toolbar with icons (how????????) > - components (as i understand - Morphic subclasses, it is the simplest > part) > - when window opens i need handler to do some setup actions. Handler > should > fire after UI is built and my app's window is opened (how?????) > - i need another handler, which fires when you try to close Pharo or > application's window. Handler must check whether to close window or not and > do allow or not to close my application. > - how to programmatically close window?????? > > 2. The next task is to do some work on image load (i mean pharo image). I > need some handler which fires immediately after image is loaded. How to > include my handler in this chain???? My app saves data into the image so i > need to manage this and auto-load _my_ application after startup. > > 3. How to drag-n-drop from the host operation system into pharo application > and vice versa? I need to drag-n-drop a list of files from\to file browser. > > 4. Application deployment. How to strip the unnecessary code from the > image? > I've heard there is "small image" to add all-i-need-to-run. Where i can > download it and how to use it???? > > > > > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo- > desktop-UI-tp4921212.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

Nov. 3, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo desktop UI

by stepharo

Le 2/11/16 Ã 22:43, vikenti a Ã©crit : > Hello, i'm newbie in Pharo, converted from Visual Works which is quite > different from Pharo Smalltalk. > I started to port my application (i've been working on for about three > years) from VW (because of new personal user licensing limitations of Visual > Works), but i have to solve some problems and need your advice. > > These ase some of the most important problems: > 1. I need to rewrite the whole GUI from scratch. What UI framework to > choose and where to get documentation? Please, don't send me to research > code examples instead of docs - i do this during whole last week. The > example should be complete and simple: one task - one example, all examples > i've seen are either not applicable to real life or too complicated to > understand. > - I need simple window with menu (how to attach menu items to menu > handlers???? - no answer in examples) > - Toolbar with icons (how????????) > - components (as i understand - Morphic subclasses, it is the simplest > part) > - when window opens i need handler to do some setup actions. Handler should > fire after UI is built and my app's window is opened (how?????) > - i need another handler, which fires when you try to close Pharo or > application's window. Handler must check whether to close window or not and > do allow or not to close my application. > - how to programmatically close window?????? > > 2. The next task is to do some work on image load (i mean pharo image). I > need some handler which fires immediately after image is loaded. How to > include my handler in this chain???? My app saves data into the image so i > need to manage this and auto-load _my_ application after startup. look for startup or startUp or startUpList > 3. How to drag-n-drop from the host operation system into pharo application > and vice versa? I need to drag-n-drop a list of files from\to file browser. I do not remember but there is a way to do that. For example when you drop a .cs file it gets loaded. > 4. Application deployment. How to strip the unnecessary code from the image? > I've heard there is "small image" to add all-i-need-to-run. Where i can > download it and how to use it???? - Do you need to strip your image? - for the small image we are producing one but I'm not sure that you want to lose your time with it right now. Stef > > > > > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-desktop-UI-tp4921212.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

Nov. 3, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo desktop UI

by stepharo

http://books.pharo.org and you can contribute if when reading you think something is missing. and you can also contribute by improving Spec. Stef Le 2/11/16 Ã 23:01, Johan Fabry a Ã©crit : > Hello Vikenti, > > for writing UIs in Pharo the UI builder you should use is Spec. We have documentation online in the form of a book (which is a work in progress).I think it will answer many of your UI questions, have a look at http://files.pharo.org/books/spec-tutorial/ > > HTH, > > -- > Does this mail seem too brief? Sorry for that, I donât mean to be rude! Please see http://emailcharter.org . > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD and RyCh labs - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > >> On 02 Nov 2016, at 18:43, vikenti <vikenti.potapov(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hello, i'm newbie in Pharo, converted from Visual Works which is quite >> different from Pharo Smalltalk. >> I started to port my application (i've been working on for about three >> years) from VW (because of new personal user licensing limitations of Visual >> Works), but i have to solve some problems and need your advice. >> >> These ase some of the most important problems: >> 1. I need to rewrite the whole GUI from scratch. What UI framework to >> choose and where to get documentation? Please, don't send me to research >> code examples instead of docs - i do this during whole last week. The >> example should be complete and simple: one task - one example, all examples >> i've seen are either not applicable to real life or too complicated to >> understand. >> - I need simple window with menu (how to attach menu items to menu >> handlers???? - no answer in examples) >> - Toolbar with icons (how????????) >> - components (as i understand - Morphic subclasses, it is the simplest >> part) >> - when window opens i need handler to do some setup actions. Handler should >> fire after UI is built and my app's window is opened (how?????) >> - i need another handler, which fires when you try to close Pharo or >> application's window. Handler must check whether to close window or not and >> do allow or not to close my application. >> - how to programmatically close window?????? >> >> 2. The next task is to do some work on image load (i mean pharo image). I >> need some handler which fires immediately after image is loaded. How to >> include my handler in this chain???? My app saves data into the image so i >> need to manage this and auto-load _my_ application after startup. >> >> 3. How to drag-n-drop from the host operation system into pharo application >> and vice versa? I need to drag-n-drop a list of files from\to file browser. >> >> 4. Application deployment. How to strip the unnecessary code from the image? >> I've heard there is "small image" to add all-i-need-to-run. Where i can >> download it and how to use it???? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-desktop-UI-tp4921212.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> > >

Nov. 3, 2016