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Code loading/unloading order

by webwarrior

It is not documented. What happens when I load a package? Are all classes created first, and then methods are added, or classes are loaded one-by-one with all their methods? What about Slots? Are they added to classes after all classes are loaded? Do they have their methods by that time? What is order of loading of classes? Alphabetical, or using some resolution mechanism, or is it implementation detail? What happens when I unload the package? Is it inverse of loading so order is reversed? -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Code-loading-unloading-order-tp4930611.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 24, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] I'd really love to use Pharo this way

by webwarrior

No, Eve is not "attempt to bring Literate Programming to the masses". It is an attempt at making programming daily tasks and small tools a lot simpler and easier, expecially for non-programmers (scientists, analysts, etc.). It took many forms in the past, including visual coding, Excel-like tables, etc. I don't know if its current form will be the final one. Foundations of Eve's current form are storing all data in a global relational database in form of tuples (records) and reactive programming. This greatly simplifies a lot of things, but I guess the performance cost will be great too. Literate programming is just one of the features, and I'd say a minor one. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/I-d-really-love-to-use-Pharo-this-way-tp4930449p49306… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 24, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] how to see methods implemented in super classes

by Denis Kudriashov

Hi. 2015-05-15 7:01 GMT+02:00 Sanjay Minni <sm(a)planage.com>: > Hi > > is there a way to see in the browse all the methods implemented in the > super > classes as well, maybe in a different colour, > > i thought it was possible but am unable to find it > I also always miss it. That's why I add it in Calypso browser from the beginning. And I hope I succeed to made it much more convenient than in other smaltalks. There are many missing features still but I hope to finish main parts in February.

Jan. 24, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] how to see methods implemented in super classes

by Peter Goodall

Thanks Ben, Giving it a try. Cheers... On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 10:51 AM, Ben Coman [via Smalltalk] < ml-node+s1294792n4930528h92(a)n4.nabble.com> wrote: > You might want to try Calypso. > http://dionisiydk.blogspot.com.au/2016/12/calypso-new- > system-browser-for-pharo.html > > Note this only works for the current trunk of Pharo 6, > which you can get via PharoLauncher, or.. > http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo-spur32/ > http://files.pharo.org/image/60/ > > cheers -ben > > On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 6:53 AM, Peter Goodall <[hidden email] > <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4930528&i=0>> wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I've just started using Pharo again after a few years absence. It is > > becoming a very nice environment. > > > > I completely agree with Sanjay that visibility of inherited methods and > > protocols is vital for several reasons: > > > > * The interface of the class I am editing includes all of its inherited > > methods. > > * If i want to over-ride a method, I would like to start from its > source > > code. > > * I need to see the exact list of superclass protocols, so I can create > a > > new method in the correct one. > > > > From memory, when you edited an inherited method in dolphin, it asked > you if > > you wanted to save it in the currently implementing class, or the > currently > > browsed class. > > > > An information field near the the source source pane is sufficient to > > indicate the signature of the method selected like: > > MyClass class >> #myMethod. It isn't necessary to crowd the method > selector > > list with class names. Greying-out the inherited methods worked as an > > indicator. > > > > You also need the ability to view inherited methods up-to but not > including > > a superclass - so that you can filter out methods of little contextual > > interest. Filtering out methods form Object would be an example default. > > > > From memory IBM Smalltalk allowed similar visibility - but that's a long > > time ago for me... > > > > Dolphin Smalltalk has a very beautiful browser system. It is most > definitely > > worth exploring. > > > > Cheers, > > --Peter Goodall > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/how-to- > see-methods-implemented-in-super-classes-tp4826435p4930525.html > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > http://forum.world.st/how-to-see-methods-implemented-in-super-classes- > tp4826435p4930528.html > To unsubscribe from how to see methods implemented in super classes, click > here > <http://forum.world.st/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_code&no…> > . > NAML > <http://forum.world.st/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewer&id=instan…> > -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/how-to-see-methods-implemented-in-super-classes-tp482… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 24, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] how to see methods implemented in super classes

by Ben Coman

You might want to try Calypso. http://dionisiydk.blogspot.com.au/2016/12/calypso-new-system-browser-for-ph… Note this only works for the current trunk of Pharo 6, which you can get via PharoLauncher, or.. http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo-spur32/ http://files.pharo.org/image/60/ cheers -ben On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 6:53 AM, Peter Goodall <pjgoodall(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > I've just started using Pharo again after a few years absence. It is > becoming a very nice environment. > > I completely agree with Sanjay that visibility of inherited methods and > protocols is vital for several reasons: > > * The interface of the class I am editing includes all of its inherited > methods. > * If i want to over-ride a method, I would like to start from its source > code. > * I need to see the exact list of superclass protocols, so I can create a > new method in the correct one. > > From memory, when you edited an inherited method in dolphin, it asked you if > you wanted to save it in the currently implementing class, or the currently > browsed class. > > An information field near the the source source pane is sufficient to > indicate the signature of the method selected like: > MyClass class >> #myMethod. It isn't necessary to crowd the method selector > list with class names. Greying-out the inherited methods worked as an > indicator. > > You also need the ability to view inherited methods up-to but not including > a superclass - so that you can filter out methods of little contextual > interest. Filtering out methods form Object would be an example default. > > From memory IBM Smalltalk allowed similar visibility - but that's a long > time ago for me... > > Dolphin Smalltalk has a very beautiful browser system. It is most definitely > worth exploring. > > Cheers, > --Peter Goodall > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/how-to-see-methods-implemented-in-super-classes-tp482… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Jan. 24, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] how to see methods implemented in super classes

by Peter Goodall

Hello, I've just started using Pharo again after a few years absence. It is becoming a very nice environment. I completely agree with Sanjay that visibility of inherited methods and protocols is vital for several reasons: * The interface of the class I am editing includes all of its inherited methods. * If i want to over-ride a method, I would like to start from its source code. * I need to see the exact list of superclass protocols, so I can create a new method in the correct one. >From memory, when you edited an inherited method in dolphin, it asked you if you wanted to save it in the currently implementing class, or the currently browsed class. An information field near the the source source pane is sufficient to indicate the signature of the method selected like: MyClass class >> #myMethod. It isn't necessary to crowd the method selector list with class names. Greying-out the inherited methods worked as an indicator. You also need the ability to view inherited methods up-to but not including a superclass - so that you can filter out methods of little contextual interest. Filtering out methods form Object would be an example default. >From memory IBM Smalltalk allowed similar visibility - but that's a long time ago for me... Dolphin Smalltalk has a very beautiful browser system. It is most definitely worth exploring. Cheers, --Peter Goodall -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/how-to-see-methods-implemented-in-super-classes-tp482… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 23, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] Pharo by Example 50 released!

by Serge Stinckwich

Congrats for the hard work ! On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 4:53 PM, stepharong <stepharong(a)free.fr> wrote: > https://pharoweekly.wordpress.com/2017/01/22/pharo-by-example-50-released/ > > Super special thanks to Nicolai Hess that pushed me to do the last steps to > release. > Thanks Nicolai your steady commits pushed me! > > Stef > -- Serge Stinckwich UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/

Jan. 23, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] I'd really love to use Pharo this way

by Dimitris Chloupis

I would probably use Jupyter through Atlas from Pharo. I think Grafoscopio may be the Pharo tool that is closest to this approach, so give it a try and assist the main developer to improve it. Personally I am more a visual coding guy which is what I am currently investigating and coding for. On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 4:43 PM Jose San Leandro <jose.sanleandro(a)osoco.es> wrote: Hi, I've come across this new attempt to bring Literate Programming to the masses. http://www.witheve.com/ It all seem to come from Jupyter Notebook. I'd love to build something like that in Pharo, but I currently lack the skills needed. Any suggestions on how to start? Would you use Seaside, Pillar, ...?

Jan. 23, 2017

PharoLauncher preSpur images

by Ben Coman

Pre-Spur images were not available in my PharoLauncher. I thought they used to be. Were they removed on purpose? Anyway, for other's reference here is the required hack... Add method... PhLHTTPListingTemplateGroup class >> pharo50preSpur ^ self name: 'Pharo 5.0 (preSpur)' url: ' http://files.pharo.org/image/50-preSpur/' asZnUrl Insert into... PhLTemplateGroupRepository class >> groups .... Groups at: PhLHTTPListingTemplateGroup pharo50preSpur put: true. Evaluate "PhLTemplateGroupRepository resetGroups" cheers -ben

Jan. 23, 2017

I'd really love to use Pharo this way

by Jose San Leandro

Hi, I've come across this new attempt to bring Literate Programming to the masses. http://www.witheve.com/ It all seem to come from Jupyter Notebook. I'd love to build something like that in Pharo, but I currently lack the skills needed. Any suggestions on how to start? Would you use Seaside, Pillar, ...?

Jan. 23, 2017