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Re: [Pharo-users] self in Nautilus

by Ben Coman

On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 4:11 AM, stepharong <stepharong(a)free.fr> wrote: > I should tell you that I do not like it at all. > Hey students inside comments self means the class and outside the > instance! WTF? > > I think that we should have another kind of pseudo variable but not self. > So in comments on the instance-side should we have pseudo variable "class" or "myclass" ? But then do students try to use that in the playground? Maybe instance-side comments should have no pseudo variable, and use the class directly. After all, comments have an absolute position in the hierarchy. Its not like you can evaluate the comment from a subclass. On class-side "self" seems okay in comments, since it means the same thing as in code. Perhaps it even draws attention of students that the class is itself an object. cheers -ben > > > > Hi all, > > in Nautilus, `self` is always the current class instance. This is great > for coding class side methods because we can test code fragments live in > the editor, but for instance side methods I have not seen the usefulness of > it. At times it can even be confusing and cause errors since a "print it" > of it looks quite like an instance (`a Listener` vs `Listener`). > > Is there a rationale why `self` in instance view does not raise an error > or is nil? And, more importantly, could there be a way to set it to a > specific value (= can we browse a class with self bound to an specific > instance). > > > In Pharo 6 if you tag a class method with > > <sampleInstance> > ... > ^ return the instance > > then you get automatically an icon to get an inspector on the instance. > From there you can do whatever you want. > > > This would resemble programming in the debugger, but provide the overview > that a class browser provides. > > cheers, > Siemen > > > > > > -- > Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ >

Jan. 28, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [NeoJSON] creating custom maps

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Hi Sergio, You probably overlooked the option to add a mapping to the class side. Check the implementors of #neoJsonMapping: In your case, all you have to do is add the following method. RadioStation class>>#neoJsonMapping: mapper mapper for: self do: [ :mapping | mapping mapInstVars ] I can't help you with Teapot though. Legal JSON is legal JSON, that is what NeoJSON produces. Sven > On 27 Jan 2017, at 22:46, sergio ruiz <sergio.rrd(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Okay, I am having the worst time with this.. > > i have a class called RadioStation that for now, just had few text instance variables. > > all I really need to do is turn this into JSON.. > > i can do it with something like: > > String streamContents: [ :stream | > (NeoJSONWriter on: stream) > prettyPrint: true; > mapInstVarsFor: RadioStation; > nextPut: (RadioStation SelectAll last) ]. > > but this seems like massive overkill.. plus, very soon, this is going to have collections of other objects.. > > also, since this returns a string.. when Teapot returns this, it escapes all of the âs and produces illegal json, as itâs just a string.. > > i read about mappers, but i canât figure out how to create them.. > > doing something simple like: > > | mapper server | > mapper := NeoJSONMapper new. > > mapper mapAllInstVarsFor: RadioStation. > mapper mappings. > > NeoJSONWriter toString: station. > > which feels like it should work, gives me: > > No mapping found for RadioStation in NeoJSONWriter > > any help? > > thanks so much! > > ---- > peace, > sergio > photographer, journalist, visionary > > Public Key: http://bit.ly/29z9fG0 > #BitMessage BM-NBaswViL21xqgg9STRJjaJaUoyiNe2dV > http://www.Village-Buzz.com > http://www.ThoseOptimizeGuys.com > http://www.coffee-black.com > http://www.painlessfrugality.com > http://www.twitter.com/sergio_101 > http://www.facebook.com/sergio101

Jan. 27, 2017

[NeoJSON] creating custom maps

by sergio ruiz

Okay, I am having the worst time with this.. i have a class called RadioStation that for now, just had Â few text instance variables. all I really need to do is turn this into JSON.. i can do it with something like: String streamContents: [ :stream | Â Â (NeoJSONWriter on: stream) Â Â Â prettyPrint: true; Â Â Â mapInstVarsFor: RadioStation; Â Â Â nextPut: (RadioStation SelectAll last) ].Â Â Â Â Â but this seems like massive overkill.. plus, very soon, this is going to have collections of other objects.. also, since this returns a string.. when Teapot returns this, it escapes all of the âs and produces illegal json, as itâs just a string.. i read about mappers, but i canât figure out how to create them.. doing something simple like: | mapper server | mapper := NeoJSONMapper new. mapper mapAllInstVarsFor: RadioStation. mapper mappings. NeoJSONWriter toString: station. which feels like it should work, gives me: No mapping found for RadioStation in NeoJSONWriter any help? thanks so much! ---- peace, sergio photographer, journalist, visionary Public Key:Â http://bit.ly/29z9fG0 #BitMessageÂ BM-NBaswViL21xqgg9STRJjaJaUoyiNe2dV http://www.Village-Buzz.com http://www.ThoseOptimizeGuys.com http://www.coffee-black.com http://www.painlessfrugality.com http://www.twitter.com/sergio_101 http://www.facebook.com/sergio101

Jan. 27, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] self in Nautilus

by stepharong

I should tell you that I do not like it at all. Hey students inside comments self means the class and outside the instance! WTF? I think that we should have another kind of pseudo variable but not self. > Hi all, > > in Nautilus, `self` is always the current class instance. This is great > for coding class side methods because we can test code fragments live in > the editor, but for instance side methods I have not >seen the > usefulness of it. At times it can even be confusing and cause errors > since a "print it" of it looks quite like an instance (`a Listener` vs > `Listener`). > > Is there a rationale why `self` in instance view does not raise an error > or is nil? And, more importantly, could there be a way to set it to a > specific value (= can we browse a class with self bound to >an specific > instance). In Pharo 6 if you tag a class method with <sampleInstance> ... ^ return the instance then you get automatically an icon to get an inspector on the instance. From there you can do whatever you want. > > This would resemble programming in the debugger, but provide the > overview that a class browser provides. > > cheers, > Siemen > > -- Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

Jan. 27, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] self in Nautilus

by Siemen Baader

Hi, On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Denis Kudriashov <dionisiydk(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Tudor. > > 2017-01-27 10:23 GMT+01:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>: > >> > Is there a rationale why `self` in instance view does not raise an >> error or is nil? >> >> That is because you can write: self new and work with an instance. > > > I expect from you some exciting ideas in this direction. :) Because your > examples framework provide many interesting possibility to work always in > context of some live instance. > > In browser we can add some pluggability to specify what instance use for > playing in context of selected class or method. By default it could be just > "self new". > Yes, I had ideas along these lines as well. There could be a field above the code panel that defines self as self new, which could be changed accordingly.. > It will gives many interesting options: > - when "examplar" method is selected "self" will point to describing > instance. > - when browser is opened from debugger or inspector "self" will point to > current object from these tools. > - type hints. No type inference - just live information > - LightTable features. When method is selected, it executed in background > and browser collects and show live data: temp types, values, execution > could, dead code, also visualization if possible. > > So it could add many power to our environment. > -- Siemen

Jan. 27, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] I'd really love to use Pharo this way

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

On 26/01/17 19:40, Ben Coman wrote: > >> I would like better a GSoC proposal to improve Grafoscopio, as a literate >> computing environment for Pharo. > This sounds like a good idea. If the project proposal compares and > contrasts with the competitors, > as well as showing why its not a "me-too" project, > this would highlight the advantages of Pharo's approach and why its a > worthwhile ecosystem for GSoC to support. > > cheers -ben Thanks Ben. I will finish some English documentation for Grafoscopio and write a draft with those comparisons and advantages. Cheers, Offray

Jan. 27, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] self in Nautilus

by Denis Kudriashov

Hi Tudor. 2017-01-27 10:23 GMT+01:00 Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>: > > Is there a rationale why `self` in instance view does not raise an error > or is nil? > > That is because you can write: self new and work with an instance. I expect from you some exciting ideas in this direction. :) Because your examples framework provide many interesting possibility to work always in context of some live instance. In browser we can add some pluggability to specify what instance use for playing in context of selected class or method. By default it could be just "self new". It will gives many interesting options: - when "examplar" method is selected "self" will point to describing instance. - when browser is opened from debugger or inspector "self" will point to current object from these tools. - type hints. No type inference - just live information - LightTable features. When method is selected, it executed in background and browser collects and show live data: temp types, values, execution could, dead code, also visualization if possible. So it could add many power to our environment.

Jan. 27, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] self in Nautilus

by Siemen Baader

Hi Tudor, On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > > > > > Is there a rationale why `self` in instance view does not raise an error > or is nil? > > That is because you can write: self new and work with an instance. > ok. > > > And, more importantly, could there be a way to set it to a specific > value (= can we browse a class with self bound to an specific instance). > > This would resemble programming in the debugger, but provide the > overview that a class browser provides. > > You can do that to some extent in the Meta tab of the inspector. > The inspector. Another great place to write code. I should use it more for that also - thanks! -- Siemen

Jan. 27, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] self in Nautilus

by Tudor Girba

Hi, > On Jan 27, 2017, at 9:59 AM, Siemen Baader <siemenbaader(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi all, > > in Nautilus, `self` is always the current class instance. This is great for coding class side methods because we can test code fragments live in the editor, but for instance side methods I have not seen the usefulness of it. At times it can even be confusing and cause errors since a "print it" of it looks quite like an instance (`a Listener` vs `Listener`). > > Is there a rationale why `self` in instance view does not raise an error or is nil? That is because you can write: self new and work with an instance. > And, more importantly, could there be a way to set it to a specific value (= can we browse a class with self bound to an specific instance). > This would resemble programming in the debugger, but provide the overview that a class browser provides. You can do that to some extent in the Meta tab of the inspector. Cheers, Doru > cheers, > Siemen > > -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "We cannot reach the flow of things unless we let go."

Jan. 27, 2017

self in Nautilus

by Siemen Baader

Hi all, in Nautilus, `self` is always the current class instance. This is great for coding class side methods because we can test code fragments live in the editor, but for instance side methods I have not seen the usefulness of it. At times it can even be confusing and cause errors since a "print it" of it looks quite like an instance (`a Listener` vs `Listener`). Is there a rationale why `self` in instance view does not raise an error or is nil? And, more importantly, could there be a way to set it to a specific value (= can we browse a class with self bound to an specific instance). This would resemble programming in the debugger, but provide the overview that a class browser provides. cheers, Siemen

Jan. 27, 2017