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Re: [Pharo-users] These beautiful tooltips

by Dimitris Chloupis

On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 7:35 PM Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> wrote: > Does it make a difference? I guess you are wearing your glass when at > computer. > > Le 30/01/2017 Ã 17:15, Dimitris Chloupis a Ã©crit : > > I am able to read the Pharo tooltips and I have a 6 degree myopia. > > > > -- > Dr. Geo > http://drgeo.eu > > Of course it does, glasses greatly improve the problem, they do not make it go away. Even with glasses there is still some myopia left, because I do not change glasses with every small change in myopia, plus my doctor always gives me lower degree glasses to avoid strain on the eyes, apparently perfect vision glasses strain the myopic eye for some reason. "I don't buy this argument at all: tooltips were modified to become unreadable, there are responsibility behind to be taken by someone. FOSS is not an excuse for mere quality." This implies that commercial software does not have crappy GUI, to my experience 90% of it does. Mainly because the GUI is for some weird reason always a low priority in software development. Also being a FOSS is an excuse for mere quality. FOSS is about working for free people do not like working for free Thus its really hard to find developers for FOSS Thus it takes a very long time to fix long standing problems , even ones that are easy to fix. Its not an excuse its a reason and a fact of life. I would love if people stop demanding stuff out of the blue in FOSS and for some weird reason expect that they will magically happen. Sure I can go in and fix this now for Pharo Will I do it ? Nope None will pay me to do it so I rather work on my own projects which I find far more enjoyable anyway. The last time I fixed a bug in Pharo , there was so much complaining about the way I fixed it that I decided that it would be the very last contribution I did, bug fixing wise. Working on Pharo documentation for some reason has been far smoother experiencer for me, maybe because experienced Pharo coders do not care about beginner orientated documentation. Obviously if I find a bug that really bothers me , I will go in an fix, but so far cannot say I have found such a big. Auto completion is the one that annoys me the most, but still can live with it. Thank you for contributing to Pharo with this fix :)

Jan. 30, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] These beautiful tooltips

by Ben Coman

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 1:30 AM, Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> wrote: > I don't buy this argument at all: tooltips were modified to become > unreadable, there are responsibility behind to be taken by someone. > FOSS is not an excuse for mere quality. The point is that people do FOSS to scratch their own itch, not someone else's. If you have an itch that you don't want to scratch yourself, you need to pay someone to scratch it for you. Now I have no problem with the tooltips. I'm quite happy with them. I know *nothing* about themes. They are not my itch. However I do value your work in the community with Dr Geo etc, so I've taken the past hour to discover a hack to help you. Thats all it took to learn how. After all this is Pharo. Try... BalloonMorph setBalloonColorTo: Color yellow. Or... Pharo3Theme subclass: #Pharo3aTheme instanceVariableNames: '' classVariableNames: '' package: 'AAATheme' Pharo3aTheme>>themeName ^ 'Pharo3a' Pharo3aTheme>>newBalloonHelpIn: aThemedMorph contents: aTextStringOrMorph for: aMorph corner: cornerSymbol "Answer a new balloon help morph with the given text and positioning for aMorph." ^ (super newBalloonHelpIn: aThemedMorph contents: aTextStringOrMorph for: aMorph corner: cornerSymbol) color: Color yellow muchLighter.. And then System > Settings > Appearance > User interface theme = Pharo3a Does that work for you? btw, I just saw your proposed fix to change UITheme>>balloonBackgroundColor. It didn't work for me in 50761 or 60262. cheers -ben > > In the past I have to fix the WaterTheme because a merge was poorly done > at some point without obviously no visual testing of the consequences. > > This is a poor way to do things, and it seems to occur too often in Pharo. > > The only proposal I can do is that a careful review is needed before > release. Don't ask me how or who, I can't help much, but it is not a > reason to shut up. > > Le 30/01/2017 Ã 17:08, Serge Stinckwich a Ã©crit : >> This is FOSS, you can always provide bug reports, enhancement commits >> and propositions to ensure process quality. > > -- > Dr. Geo > http://drgeo.eu > >

Jan. 30, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] These beautiful tooltips

by Hilaire

Well it can't. So here is the fix for pharo6 https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/edit/19627/ Le 30/01/2017 Ã 18:53, Hilaire a Ã©crit : > I am not sure the same can be done for the background, it is more > important to improve the contrast (for example yellow or even blue as it > was some release ago). -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

Jan. 30, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] These beautiful tooltips

by Hilaire

Indeed font is different, but this one can be changed programmatically, so can be fixed. I am not sure the same can be done for the background, it is more important to improve the contrast (for example yellow or even blue as it was some release ago). The Squeak tooltip is nice. Hilaire Le 30/01/2017 Ã 18:37, Ben Coman a Ã©crit : > Your Tooltip.png the text appears to be more dark grey than black. I > can understand that being harder to read. But why is it dark grey? > On my system the text is blacker and I find that clear to read on on a > light grey background. -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

Jan. 30, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] These beautiful tooltips

by Ben Coman

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 1:37 AM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: >> Le 30/01/2017 Ã 15:56, Ben Coman a Ã©crit : >>> Hi Hilaire, >>> >>> Can you provide a screenshot comparison of these? > > On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 11:16 PM, Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> wrote: >> Hi Ben, >> >> Here are Squeak and Pharo5 tooltips view. >> >> In regard First impression count, it is a big loose for Pharo5. Well >> this whole theme is horrible anyway, contrast is too low in too many part. >> >> In the past I remember to have fix it (not sure) but really I'm fed up >> of such negligence. I think something is not working properly in the >> Pharo process release. >> >> Another complain, why do we have now for Morph #setBallonText: and >> #helpText: to set tooltips? >> >> With my little resource, I am just itching the surface, I wonder how it >> is deep underneath. > > Your Tooltip.png the text appears to be more dark grey than black. I > can understand that being harder to read. But why is it dark grey? > On my system the text is blacker and I find that clear to read on on a > light grey background. > > cheers -ben Actually mine also looks fuzzy in the web browser. Opening both snapshots with a native tool and comparing them, you font looks different and slightly smaller. I'm using default fonts. Under System > Settings > Standard Fonts > Balloon-help I have Source Sans Pro Regular 9. What is your setting? cheers -ben

Jan. 30, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] These beautiful tooltips

by Ben Coman

> Le 30/01/2017 Ã 15:56, Ben Coman a Ã©crit : >> Hi Hilaire, >> >> Can you provide a screenshot comparison of these? On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 11:16 PM, Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> wrote: > Hi Ben, > > Here are Squeak and Pharo5 tooltips view. > > In regard First impression count, it is a big loose for Pharo5. Well > this whole theme is horrible anyway, contrast is too low in too many part. > > In the past I remember to have fix it (not sure) but really I'm fed up > of such negligence. I think something is not working properly in the > Pharo process release. > > Another complain, why do we have now for Morph #setBallonText: and > #helpText: to set tooltips? > > With my little resource, I am just itching the surface, I wonder how it > is deep underneath. Your Tooltip.png the text appears to be more dark grey than black. I can understand that being harder to read. But why is it dark grey? On my system the text is blacker and I find that clear to read on on a light grey background. cheers -ben

Jan. 30, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] These beautiful tooltips

by Hilaire

Does it make a difference? I guess you are wearing your glass when at computer. Le 30/01/2017 Ã 17:15, Dimitris Chloupis a Ã©crit : > I am able to read the Pharo tooltips and I have a 6 degree myopia. > -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

Jan. 30, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] These beautiful tooltips

by Hilaire

I don't buy this argument at all: tooltips were modified to become unreadable, there are responsibility behind to be taken by someone. FOSS is not an excuse for mere quality. In the past I have to fix the WaterTheme because a merge was poorly done at some point without obviously no visual testing of the consequences. This is a poor way to do things, and it seems to occur too often in Pharo. The only proposal I can do is that a careful review is needed before release. Don't ask me how or who, I can't help much, but it is not a reason to shut up. Le 30/01/2017 Ã 17:08, Serge Stinckwich a Ã©crit : > This is FOSS, you can always provide bug reports, enhancement commits > and propositions to ensure process quality. -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

Jan. 30, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Exercism programming exercises for Pharo

by Ben Coman

Nice idea, but after poking around the site for a while, it looks like there is more to do than just seed solutions for some exercises. Some recipe for how students submit exercises would need to be written up. cheers -ben On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 11:01 PM, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I created a Smalltalk track at Exercism: > https://github.com/exercism/xsmalltalk > <https://github.com/exercism/xsmalltalk> > > It would be nice if the Smalltalk community contributed some exercises to > help budding Smalltalkers. > > Thanks. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Exercism-programming-exercises-for-Pharo-tp4932215.ht… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Jan. 30, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] These beautiful tooltips

by Dimitris Chloupis

"So in Pharo5 we have these 'beautiful' unreadable tooltips: tiny black font on light gray (ie. take a look to its squeak counter part, it looks so much more pro)" I am able to read the Pharo tooltips and I have a 6 degree myopia. Sure they can be improved a lot I would not call them pretty but at least for me they are good enough to useful and they rarely bother me.

Jan. 30, 2017