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Re: [Pharo-users] A Logo Proposal for Smalltalk

by horrido

Interesting. I had a similar idea with another Smalltalk logo I whipped up for Smalltalk Renaissance: <http://forum.world.st/file/n4945197/smalltalk-logo.png> Esteban A. Maringolo wrote > A decade+ ago I created the one attached, and I've seen used in some > Smalltalk related sites. I still like it but it can be done better. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/A-Logo-Proposal-for-Smalltalk-tp4945122p4945197.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

May 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] A Logo Proposal for Smalltalk

by Esteban A. Maringolo

I prefer the rounded one more and it follows a better criteria for a design. Also the circle containing the pharo is the first thing I thought about when I saw the movie Arrival :) [image: ImÃ¡genes integradas 1] Because, maybe not only LISP was made with alien technology. I agree with Sven about Smalltalk not being a brand but more of a concept. You can have logos for Firefox, Edge and Chrome, but there is not logo for "web browser". Regards, Esteban A. Maringolo 2017-05-02 11:07 GMT-03:00 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu>: > > On 2 May 2017, at 16:01, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > OTOH we have Pharo logo which is nice and unambiguous. > > > Indeed, the following 2 are very nice, IMHO: > > http://files.pharo.org/media/logo/icon-512x512.png > > > http://files.pharo.org/media/logo/icon-lighthouse-512x512.png > > Also, 'Smalltalk' is not one thing, just like 'Lisp' is not one thing. > Both are families of technologies that have evolved over decades, with many > different implementations both commercial and open source. > > Sven > > >

May 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] A Logo Proposal for Smalltalk

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 2 May 2017, at 16:01, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > OTOH we have Pharo logo which is nice and unambiguous. Indeed, the following 2 are very nice, IMHO: http://files.pharo.org/media/logo/icon-512x512.png http://files.pharo.org/media/logo/icon-lighthouse-512x512.png Also, 'Smalltalk' is not one thing, just like 'Lisp' is not one thing. Both are families of technologies that have evolved over decades, with many different implementations both commercial and open source. Sven

May 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] A Logo Proposal for Smalltalk

by Esteban A. Maringolo

A decade+ ago I created the one attached, and I've seen used in some Smalltalk related sites. I still like it but it can be done better. I don't like the balloon, it's an indirect reference to the Byte cover which hasn't much to do with Smalltalk directly; as Pascal triangles didn't have much to do with Pascal [1] the programming language. I think we can play a little more with the brackets which are something kind of unique to Smalltalk syntax. OTOH we have Pharo logo which is nice and unambiguous. Regards, [1] A prevoius cover of Byte Magazine shown Pascal triangles in a choppy sea, an you could see what later would be the Smalltalk island, isolated in an "ivory tower" way of looking at the world, and escaping from the sea problem by avoiding it completely, hence the balloon. http://70sscifiart.tumblr.com/post/157035900745/pascals-triangle-a-1978-byt… Esteban A. Maringolo 2017-05-02 9:06 GMT-03:00 Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com>: > > > 2017-05-02 13:19 GMT+02:00 horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com>: >> >> Thanks. The reason I think it's a problem is because I tried to use this >> logo >> in the Wikipedia Smalltalk article, but the Wikipedia overlords kept >> rejecting it, telling me that it wasn't an "official" logo and thus >> Wikipedia would not accept it. What makes a logo "official?" Why are all >> the >> other language logos in my article (which I gleaned from Wikipedia) any >> more >> "official?" > > > Interesting angle for the problem (didn't think of that one). > > My analysis as I would review. The common agreed logo for smalltalk is a > rendering of the Byte cover, this makes it the 'official' logo. Your's > hasn't reached the level of agreement / support necessary to reach that > level. And Wikipedia isn't the place where this change is to be decided: > wikipedia will follow the will of the overall community. > > Other logos are either endorsed by the community or used by the master site > for the language: for example, the Caml logo, the Clojure logo, both appeara > on the 'official' website for the language. For Caml, many alternatives > logos exist, but none of the alternatives appear on the wikipedia page. > > Now, changing a logo requires overcoming some friction(*)... writing around > Smalltalk and allways tagging with it could be a way to make it popular and > displace the old one. Your target would be reached once Wikipedia accept > yours, and that may require ESUG to decide to switch, and so on. > > Regards, > > Thierry > >> >> >> >> Thierry Goubier wrote >> > Hi Richard, >> > >> > 2017-05-02 12:57 GMT+02:00 horrido < >> >> > horrido.hobbies@ >> >> > >: >> > >> >> I have A Logo Proposal for Smalltalk >> >> >> >> <https://medium.com/@richardeng/a-logo-proposal-for-smalltalk-e78180f3ec02 >> > > > >> >> >> > >> > I like it. >> > >> > >> >> . But there is one huge (insurmountable?) obstacle. >> >> >> >> >> > If you refer to a standard 'org' that would force the use / change of a >> > logo, then I see no obstacle. I like it that the multiple shapes >> > Smalltalk >> > has have left space for creativity and freedom. >> > >> > If your logo is nice and creative enough, and that it can be freely >> > used, >> > then it will raise through the community and replace / displace the old >> > one. >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > Thierry >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/A-Logo- >> >> Proposal-for-Smalltalk-tp4945122.html >> >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/A-Logo-Proposal-for-Smalltalk-tp4945122p4945127.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >

May 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Voyage - collecting data from Mongo

by Mark Rizun

Hi, the solution to my initial issue is to create a class MyClass with two class side methods MyClass class >> isVoyageRoot ^ true MyClass class >> descriptionContainer <voyageContainer> ^ VOContainer new collectionName: 'myCollection'; yourself Also, to properly read the data one should add instance variables to depending on what is in the database. For example: { "_id" : ObjectId("5900a0175bc65a2b7973b48a"), "item" : "canvas", "qty" : 100, "tags" : [ "cotton" ] } In this case MyClass should have instanceVariables: 'item qty tags' and accessors. Plus, on the class side mongoItem <mongoDescription> ^ VOToOneDescription new attributeName: 'item'; kind: String; yourself mongoQty <mongoDescription> ^ VOToOneDescription new attributeName: 'qty'; kind: Integer; yourself mongoTags <mongoDescription> ^ VOToOneDescription new attributeName: 'tags'; kind: OrderedCollection; yourself After that one can connect to database and get the information. | repository | repository := VOMongoRepository database: 'databaseName'. repository selectAll: MyClass Big thanks to Sabine, Esteban and Holger! Cheers, Mark 2017-04-30 19:20 GMT+02:00 Sabine Manaa <manaa.sabine(a)gmail.com>: > Happy to help. I got this information from Udo Schneider in slack several > weeks ago. > As far as I know, he works on an update for several things concerning > mongo but I don't know when he will release it. > > > chrismihaylyk [via Smalltalk] <[hidden email] > <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4944977&i=0>> schrieb am So. > 30. Apr. 2017 um 16:45: > >> Sabine, thank you very much! It's very helpful, work fine. >> 2017-04-30 17:09 GMT+03:00 Sabine Manaa <[hidden email] >> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4944955&i=0>>: >> >>> Khrystyna , >>> >>> I also use a new version of mongo with authentication (but only old >>> version) and wired Tiger. >>> >>> I am not sure but possibly you can try to overwrite the following method >>> to fix the problem: >>> >>> MongoDatabase>>collections >>> | reply names | >>> reply := self command: {(#listCollections -> 1)} asDictionary. >>> names := ((reply at: 'cursor') at: 'firstBatch') collect: [ :each | each >>> at: #name ]. >>> ^ names collect: [ :each | MongoCollection database: self name: each ] >>> >> 2017-04-30 12:24 GMT+02:00 Mark Rizun [via Smalltalk] <[hidden email] >>> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4944953&i=0>>: >>> >> >>>> Mark >>>>> once you have a solution could you post it because I would like to add >>>>> your question to the voyage chapter. >>>>> stef >>>>> >>>> >>>> Sure thing, Stef. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the >>>> discussion below: >>>> http://forum.world.st/Voyage-collecting-data-from-Mongo- >>>> tp4944784p4944944.html >>>> >>> To start a new topic under Pharo Smalltalk Users, email [hidden email] >>>> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4944953&i=1> >>>> >>> To unsubscribe from Pharo Smalltalk Users, click here. >>>> NAML >>>> <http://forum.world.st/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewer&id=instan…> >>>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> View this message in context: Re: Voyage - collecting data from Mongo >>> <http://forum.world.st/Voyage-collecting-data-from-Mongo-tp4944784p4944953.h…> >>> >>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive >>> <http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html> at >>> Nabble.com. >>> >> If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion >> below: >> http://forum.world.st/Voyage-collecting-data-from-Mongo- >> tp4944784p4944955.html >> To start a new topic under Pharo Smalltalk Users, email [hidden email] >> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4944977&i=1> >> To unsubscribe from Pharo Smalltalk Users, click here. >> NAML >> <http://forum.world.st/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewer&id=instan…> >> > > ------------------------------ > View this message in context: Re: Voyage - collecting data from Mongo > <http://forum.world.st/Voyage-collecting-data-from-Mongo-tp4944784p4944977.h…> > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive > <http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html> at Nabble.com. >

May 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [Ann] Pharo Sprint App to improve coordination during Pharo Sprints

by Juraj Kubelka

Hi, As Alexandre said, there were a few participants. On other hand, I was able to discuss with some of them in detail and find out what makes difficult to make a contribution. Having the Pharo Sprint App, connected with FogBugz and Discord was positive incentive to participate, without being able to attend the locally organized events. One (out of several) requirement was to make review needed cases explicitly visible. People can the focus on them. It is posible to sort issue 'review needed first', but it is likely less visible. So in general, it was a good experience and I am looking forward for the next sprint ð Juraj -- Juraj Kubelka > El 01-05-2017, a las 03:17, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> escribiÃ³: > > Unfortunately, I could not participate. How did it go with the App? > > Cheers, > Doru > > >> On Apr 27, 2017, at 10:25 PM, Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka(a)icloud.com> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Marcus and I have updated the contribute page: http://pharo.org/contribute-events >> And I have just released Pharo Sprint App version 0.2.0: http://bit.ly/PharoSprintApp (Discord sprint channel includes the link) >> To run it, you need Pharo 6.0 VM >> >> Thanks everyone for the early feedback. I was able to include some of them to the release. >> >> Have a fun. I will join you at 9:00 UTC-4 time. >> Juraj >> >>> On Apr 27, 2017, at 11:03, Luc Fabresse <luc.fabresse(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Nice Juraj! ;-) >> >> Thanks Luc :-) >> >>> >>> #Luc >>> >>> 2017-04-24 20:51 GMT+02:00 K K Subbu <kksubbu.ml(a)gmail.com>: >>> On Monday 24 April 2017 08:00 PM, Juraj Kubelka wrote: >>> >>> Please, can you send me a screenshot? Or submit the screenshot >>> here https://github.com/JurajKubelka/PharoSprint/issues/new >>> >>> Done. I think the error appears because when a login fails, the message causes a horiz scroll bar to be added to the panel pushing the fields beyond the top edge. I stumbled on this error because I tried using my fogbugz id whereas the login field needs the registered email id for login. >>> >>> Regards .. Subbu > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > www.feenk.com > > "Every thing has its own flow." > > > > > >

May 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] A Logo Proposal for Smalltalk

by Thierry Goubier

2017-05-02 13:19 GMT+02:00 horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com>: > Thanks. The reason I think it's a problem is because I tried to use this > logo > in the Wikipedia Smalltalk article, but the Wikipedia overlords kept > rejecting it, telling me that it wasn't an "official" logo and thus > Wikipedia would not accept it. What makes a logo "official?" Why are all > the > other language logos in my article (which I gleaned from Wikipedia) any > more > "official?" > Interesting angle for the problem (didn't think of that one). My analysis as I would review. The common agreed logo for smalltalk is a rendering of the Byte cover, this makes it the 'official' logo. Your's hasn't reached the level of agreement / support necessary to reach that level. And Wikipedia isn't the place where this change is to be decided: wikipedia will follow the will of the overall community. Other logos are either endorsed by the community or used by the master site for the language: for example, the Caml logo, the Clojure logo, both appeara on the 'official' website for the language. For Caml, many alternatives logos exist, but none of the alternatives appear on the wikipedia page. Now, changing a logo requires overcoming some friction(*)... writing around Smalltalk and allways tagging with it could be a way to make it popular and displace the old one. Your target would be reached once Wikipedia accept yours, and that may require ESUG to decide to switch, and so on. Regards, Thierry > > > Thierry Goubier wrote > > Hi Richard, > > > > 2017-05-02 12:57 GMT+02:00 horrido < > > > horrido.hobbies@ > > > >: > > > >> I have A Logo Proposal for Smalltalk > >> <https://medium.com/@richardeng/a-logo-proposal- > for-smalltalk-e78180f3ec02 > > > > > >> > > > > I like it. > > > > > >> . But there is one huge (insurmountable?) obstacle. > >> > >> > > If you refer to a standard 'org' that would force the use / change of a > > logo, then I see no obstacle. I like it that the multiple shapes > Smalltalk > > has have left space for creativity and freedom. > > > > If your logo is nice and creative enough, and that it can be freely used, > > then it will raise through the community and replace / displace the old > > one. > > > > Regards, > > > > Thierry > > > > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/A-Logo- > >> Proposal-for-Smalltalk-tp4945122.html > >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/A-Logo- > Proposal-for-Smalltalk-tp4945122p4945127.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

May 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] A Logo Proposal for Smalltalk

by horrido

Thanks. The reason I think it's a problem is because I tried to use this logo in the Wikipedia Smalltalk article, but the Wikipedia overlords kept rejecting it, telling me that it wasn't an "official" logo and thus Wikipedia would not accept it. What makes a logo "official?" Why are all the other language logos in my article (which I gleaned from Wikipedia) any more "official?" Thierry Goubier wrote > Hi Richard, > > 2017-05-02 12:57 GMT+02:00 horrido < > horrido.hobbies@ > >: > >> I have A Logo Proposal for Smalltalk >> <https://medium.com/@richardeng/a-logo-proposal-for-smalltalk-e78180f3ec02 > > > >> > > I like it. > > >> . But there is one huge (insurmountable?) obstacle. >> >> > If you refer to a standard 'org' that would force the use / change of a > logo, then I see no obstacle. I like it that the multiple shapes Smalltalk > has have left space for creativity and freedom. > > If your logo is nice and creative enough, and that it can be freely used, > then it will raise through the community and replace / displace the old > one. > > Regards, > > Thierry > > >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/A-Logo- >> Proposal-for-Smalltalk-tp4945122.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/A-Logo-Proposal-for-Smalltalk-tp4945122p4945127.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

May 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] A Logo Proposal for Smalltalk

by Thierry Goubier

Hi Richard, 2017-05-02 12:57 GMT+02:00 horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com>: > I have A Logo Proposal for Smalltalk > <https://medium.com/@richardeng/a-logo-proposal-for-smalltalk-e78180f3ec02 > > > I like it. > . But there is one huge (insurmountable?) obstacle. > > If you refer to a standard 'org' that would force the use / change of a logo, then I see no obstacle. I like it that the multiple shapes Smalltalk has have left space for creativity and freedom. If your logo is nice and creative enough, and that it can be freely used, then it will raise through the community and replace / displace the old one. Regards, Thierry > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/A-Logo- > Proposal-for-Smalltalk-tp4945122.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

May 2, 2017

A Logo Proposal for Smalltalk

by horrido

I have A Logo Proposal for Smalltalk <https://medium.com/@richardeng/a-logo-proposal-for-smalltalk-e78180f3ec02> . But there is one huge (insurmountable?) obstacle. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/A-Logo-Proposal-for-Smalltalk-tp4945122.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

May 2, 2017