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Re: [Pharo-users] A Logo Proposal for Smalltalk

by horrido

<http://forum.world.st/file/n4945251/dreamy-pictures-2x.jpg> ;-) Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas-2 wrote > Ha, ha, > > Good one :-)... Smalltalk and Lisp families are kind of alien for this > world :-), > > Offray > > > On 02/05/17 09:35, Esteban A. Maringolo wrote: >> >> 2017-05-02 11:22 GMT-03:00 Esteban A. Maringolo < > emaringolo@ > > > <mailto: > emaringolo@ > >>: >> >> I prefer the rounded one more and it follows a better criteria for >> a design. >> >> Also the circle containing the pharo is the first thing I thought >> about when I saw the movie Arrival :) >> ImÃ¡genes integradas 1 >> >> >> >> >> >> Couldn't resist myself... >> >> â >> >> See also attached image for Pharo 6 Arrival. :) > > > > image.png (43K) > <http://forum.world.st/attachment/4945232/0/image.png> > arrival-pharo-logo.png (43K) > <http://forum.world.st/attachment/4945232/1/arrival-pharo-logo.png> -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/A-Logo-Proposal-for-Smalltalk-tp4945122p4945251.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

May 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] A Logo Proposal for Smalltalk

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

Ha, ha, Good one :-)... Smalltalk and Lisp families are kind of alien for this world :-), Offray On 02/05/17 09:35, Esteban A. Maringolo wrote: > > 2017-05-02 11:22 GMT-03:00 Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com > <mailto:emaringolo@gmail.com>>: > > I prefer the rounded one more and it follows a better criteria for > a design. > > Also the circle containing the pharo is the first thing I thought > about when I saw the movie Arrival :) > ImÃ¡genes integradas 1 > > > > > > Couldn't resist myself... > > â > > See also attached image for Pharo 6 Arrival. :)

May 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] A Logo Proposal for Smalltalk

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

I really like the minimalist nature of the "[ | ]" logo for Smalltalk, kind of similar to the lambdas (Î») from Lisp families and is cross-dialect and, as Esteban says, unique. Cheers, Offray On 02/05/17 09:01, Esteban A. Maringolo wrote: > A decade+ ago I created the one attached, and I've seen used in some > Smalltalk related sites. I still like it but it can be done better. > > I don't like the balloon, it's an indirect reference to the Byte cover > which hasn't much to do with Smalltalk directly; as Pascal triangles > didn't have much to do with Pascal [1] the programming language. > > I think we can play a little more with the brackets which are > something kind of unique to Smalltalk syntax. > > OTOH we have Pharo logo which is nice and unambiguous. > > Regards, > > > [1] A prevoius cover of Byte Magazine shown Pascal triangles in a > choppy sea, an you could see what later would be the Smalltalk island, > isolated in an "ivory tower" way of looking at the world, and escaping > from the sea problem by avoiding it completely, hence the balloon. > http://70sscifiart.tumblr.com/post/157035900745/pascals-triangle-a-1978-byt… > > Esteban A. Maringolo > > > 2017-05-02 9:06 GMT-03:00 Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com>: >> >> 2017-05-02 13:19 GMT+02:00 horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com>: >>> Thanks. The reason I think it's a problem is because I tried to use this >>> logo >>> in the Wikipedia Smalltalk article, but the Wikipedia overlords kept >>> rejecting it, telling me that it wasn't an "official" logo and thus >>> Wikipedia would not accept it. What makes a logo "official?" Why are all >>> the >>> other language logos in my article (which I gleaned from Wikipedia) any >>> more >>> "official?" >> >> Interesting angle for the problem (didn't think of that one). >> >> My analysis as I would review. The common agreed logo for smalltalk is a >> rendering of the Byte cover, this makes it the 'official' logo. Your's >> hasn't reached the level of agreement / support necessary to reach that >> level. And Wikipedia isn't the place where this change is to be decided: >> wikipedia will follow the will of the overall community. >> >> Other logos are either endorsed by the community or used by the master site >> for the language: for example, the Caml logo, the Clojure logo, both appeara >> on the 'official' website for the language. For Caml, many alternatives >> logos exist, but none of the alternatives appear on the wikipedia page. >> >> Now, changing a logo requires overcoming some friction(*)... writing around >> Smalltalk and allways tagging with it could be a way to make it popular and >> displace the old one. Your target would be reached once Wikipedia accept >> yours, and that may require ESUG to decide to switch, and so on. >> >> Regards, >> >> Thierry >> >>> >>> >>> Thierry Goubier wrote >>>> Hi Richard, >>>> >>>> 2017-05-02 12:57 GMT+02:00 horrido < >>>> horrido.hobbies@ >>>> >: >>>> >>>>> I have A Logo Proposal for Smalltalk >>>>> >>>>> <https://medium.com/@richardeng/a-logo-proposal-for-smalltalk-e78180f3ec02 >>>> > > >>>> I like it. >>>> >>>> >>>>> . But there is one huge (insurmountable?) obstacle. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> If you refer to a standard 'org' that would force the use / change of a >>>> logo, then I see no obstacle. I like it that the multiple shapes >>>> Smalltalk >>>> has have left space for creativity and freedom. >>>> >>>> If your logo is nice and creative enough, and that it can be freely >>>> used, >>>> then it will raise through the community and replace / displace the old >>>> one. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Thierry >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/A-Logo- >>>>> Proposal-for-Smalltalk-tp4945122.html >>>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: >>> http://forum.world.st/A-Logo-Proposal-for-Smalltalk-tp4945122p4945127.html >>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>

May 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] A Logo Proposal for Smalltalk

by Esteban A. Maringolo

2017-05-02 11:33 GMT-03:00 horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com>: > the lighthouse has come to be closely associated with Pharo. Then it succeeded as an logo. I'd only change its typography. But the logo stays. I'd keep the O the same size as the rest of the letters. Regards! Esteban A. Maringolo

May 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] A Logo Proposal for Smalltalk

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 2 May 2017, at 16:33, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Yes, but can the lighthouse logo be used to represent all Smalltalks? I don't > think so. I like it very much, but the lighthouse has come to be closely > associated with Pharo. I thought that was obvious: the lighthouse logo is Pharo, not Smalltalk - just to be very clear. I think a stylised balloon is not bad, it just has to be less complex, more logo like, more abstract. > Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote >>> On 2 May 2017, at 16:01, Esteban A. Maringolo < > >> emaringolo@ > >> > wrote: >>> >>> OTOH we have Pharo logo which is nice and unambiguous. >> >> Indeed, the following 2 are very nice, IMHO: >> >> http://files.pharo.org/media/logo/icon-512x512.png >> >> >> >> http://files.pharo.org/media/logo/icon-lighthouse-512x512.png >> >> >> Also, 'Smalltalk' is not one thing, just like 'Lisp' is not one thing. >> Both are families of technologies that have evolved over decades, with >> many different implementations both commercial and open source. >> >> Sven >> >> >> >> >> icon-512x512.png (127K) >> <http://forum.world.st/attachment/4945184/0/icon-512x512.png> >> icon-lighthouse-512x512.png (47K) >> <http://forum.world.st/attachment/4945184/1/icon-lighthouse-512x512.png> > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/A-Logo-Proposal-for-Smalltalk-tp4945122p4945204.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

May 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] A Logo Proposal for Smalltalk

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 2 May 2017, at 16:35, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > 2017-05-02 11:22 GMT-03:00 Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com>: > I prefer the rounded one more and it follows a better criteria for a design. > > Also the circle containing the pharo is the first thing I thought about when I saw the movie Arrival :) > <image.png> > > > > > > Couldn't resist myself... > <arrival-pharo-logo.png> > â > > See also attached image for Pharo 6 Arrival. :) > <arrival-pharo.png> Haha, very nice !

May 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] A Logo Proposal for Smalltalk

by Esteban A. Maringolo

2017-05-02 11:22 GMT-03:00 Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com>: > I prefer the rounded one more and it follows a better criteria for a > design. > > Also the circle containing the pharo is the first thing I thought about > when I saw the movie Arrival :) > [image: ImÃ¡genes integradas 1] > > > Couldn't resist myself... â See also attached image for Pharo 6 Arrival. :)

May 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] A Logo Proposal for Smalltalk

by horrido

Yes, but can the lighthouse logo be used to represent all Smalltalks? I don't think so. I like it very much, but the lighthouse has come to be closely associated with Pharo. Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote >> On 2 May 2017, at 16:01, Esteban A. Maringolo < > emaringolo@ > > wrote: >> >> OTOH we have Pharo logo which is nice and unambiguous. > > Indeed, the following 2 are very nice, IMHO: > > http://files.pharo.org/media/logo/icon-512x512.png > > > > http://files.pharo.org/media/logo/icon-lighthouse-512x512.png > > > Also, 'Smalltalk' is not one thing, just like 'Lisp' is not one thing. > Both are families of technologies that have evolved over decades, with > many different implementations both commercial and open source. > > Sven > > > > > icon-512x512.png (127K) > <http://forum.world.st/attachment/4945184/0/icon-512x512.png> > icon-lighthouse-512x512.png (47K) > <http://forum.world.st/attachment/4945184/1/icon-lighthouse-512x512.png> -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/A-Logo-Proposal-for-Smalltalk-tp4945122p4945204.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

May 2, 2017

Put FTTableMorph layout into ComposableModel lyout

by chrismihaylyk

Hi! I need to display my FTTableMorph window content inside of ComposableModel window. Please tell me, is it possible? Thanks, Khrystyna. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Put-FTTableMorph-layout-into-ComposableModel-lyout-tp… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

May 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] A Logo Proposal for Smalltalk

by Thierry Goubier

I've allways liked the Pharo logo in that shape. This is also what I like in Richard logo: the visual language used to render the image. I'm a long time smalltalk user (I started in 1992) and I don't relate at all with the square brackets thing. It feels like a insider joke, not particularly memorable. Smalltalk being 'multiple', I'm ok with more than one logo (language / platform). Regards, Thierry 2017-05-02 16:07 GMT+02:00 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu>: > > On 2 May 2017, at 16:01, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > OTOH we have Pharo logo which is nice and unambiguous. > > > Indeed, the following 2 are very nice, IMHO: > > http://files.pharo.org/media/logo/icon-512x512.png > > > http://files.pharo.org/media/logo/icon-lighthouse-512x512.png > > Also, 'Smalltalk' is not one thing, just like 'Lisp' is not one thing. > Both are families of technologies that have evolved over decades, with many > different implementations both commercial and open source. > > Sven > > >

May 2, 2017