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Re: [Pharo-users] Porting Transducers to Pharo

by Stephane Ducasse

I have a design question why the library is implemented in functional style vs messages? I do not see why this is needed. To my eyes the compact notation goes against readibility of code and it feels ad-hoc in Smalltalk. I really prefer square := Map function: #squared. take := Take number: 1000. Because I know that I can read it and understand it. >From that perspective I prefer Xtreams. Stef On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 2:23 PM, Steffen MÃ¤rcker <merkste(a)web.de> wrote: > Hi, > > I am the developer of the library 'Transducers' for VisualWorks. It was > formerly known as 'Reducers', but this name was a poor choice. I'd like to > port it to Pharo, if there is any interest on your side. I hope to learn > more about Pharo in this process, since I am mainly a VW guy. And most > likely, I will come up with a bunch of questions. :-) > > Meanwhile, I'll cross-post the introduction from VWnc below. I'd be very > happy to hear your optinions, questions and I hope we can start a fruitful > discussion - even if there is not Pharo port yet. > > Best, Steffen > > > > Transducers are building blocks that encapsulate how to process elements > of a data sequence independently of the underlying input and output source. > > > > # Overview > > ## Encapsulate > Implementations of enumeration methods, such as #collect:, have the logic > how to process a single element in common. > However, that logic is reimplemented each and every time. Transducers make > it explicit and facilitate re-use and coherent behavior. > For example: > - #collect: requires mapping: (aBlock1 map) > - #select: requires filtering: (aBlock2 filter) > > > ## Compose > In practice, algorithms often require multiple processing steps, e.g., > mapping only a filtered set of elements. > Transducers are inherently composable, and hereby, allow to make the > combination of steps explicit. > Since transducers do not build intermediate collections, their composition > is memory-efficient. > For example: > - (aBlock1 filter) * (aBlock2 map) "(1.) filter and (2.) map elements" > > > ## Re-Use > Transducers are decoupled from the input and output sources, and hence, > they can be reused in different contexts. > For example: > - enumeration of collections > - processing of streams > - communicating via channels > > > > # Usage by Example > > We build a coin flipping experiment and count the occurrence of heads and > tails. > > First, we associate random numbers with the sides of a coin. > > scale := [:x | (x * 2 + 1) floor] map. > sides := #(heads tails) replace. > > Scale is a transducer that maps numbers x between 0 and 1 to 1 and 2. > Sides is a transducer that replaces the numbers with heads an tails by > lookup in an array. > Next, we choose a number of samples. > > count := 1000 take. > > Count is a transducer that takes 1000 elements from a source. > We keep track of the occurrences of heads an tails using a bag. > > collect := [:bag :c | bag add: c; yourself]. > > Collect is binary block (reducing function) that collects events in a bag. > We assemble the experiment by transforming the block using the transducers. > > experiment := (scale * sides * count) transform: collect. > > From left to right we see the steps involved: scale, sides, count and > collect. > Transforming assembles these steps into a binary block (reducing function) > we can use to run the experiment. > > samples := Random new > reduce: experiment > init: Bag new. > > Here, we use #reduce:init:, which is mostly similar to #inject:into:. > To execute a transformation and a reduction together, we can use > #transduce:reduce:init:. > > samples := Random new > transduce: scale * sides * count > reduce: collect > init: Bag new. > > We can also express the experiment as data-flow using #<~. > This enables us to build objects that can be re-used in other experiments. > > coin := sides <~ scale <~ Random new. > flip := Bag <~ count. > > Coin is an eduction, i.e., it binds transducers to a source and > understands #reduce:init: among others. > Flip is a transformed reduction, i.e., it binds transducers to a reducing > function and an initial value. > By sending #<~, we draw further samples from flipping the coin. > > samples := flip <~ coin. > > This yields a new Bag with another 1000 samples. > > > > # Basic Concepts > > ## Reducing Functions > > A reducing function represents a single step in processing a data sequence. > It takes an accumulated result and a value, and returns a new accumulated > result. > For example: > > collect := [:col :e | col add: e; yourself]. > sum := #+. > > A reducing function can also be ternary, i.e., it takes an accumulated > result, a key and a value. > For example: > > collect := [:dic :k :v | dict at: k put: v; yourself]. > > Reducing functions may be equipped with an optional completing action. > After finishing processing, it is invoked exactly once, e.g., to free > resources. > > stream := [:str :e | str nextPut: each; yourself] completing: #close. > absSum := #+ completing: #abs > > A reducing function can end processing early by signaling Reduced with a > result. > This mechanism also enables the treatment of infinite sources. > > nonNil := [:res :e | e ifNil: [Reduced signalWith: res] ifFalse: > [res]]. > > The primary approach to process a data sequence is the reducing protocol > with the messages #reduce:init: and #transduce:reduce:init: if transducers > are involved. > The behavior is similar to #inject:into: but in addition it takes care of: > - handling binary and ternary reducing functions, > - invoking the completing action after finishing, and > - stopping the reduction if Reduced is signaled. > The message #transduce:reduce:init: just combines the transformation and > the reducing step. > > However, as reducing functions are step-wise in nature, an application may > choose other means to process its data. > > > ## Reducibles > > A data source is called reducible if it implements the reducing protocol. > Default implementations are provided for collections and streams. > Additionally, blocks without an argument are reducible, too. > This allows to adapt to custom data sources without additional effort. > For example: > > "XStreams adaptor" > xstream := filename reading. > reducible := [[xstream get] on: Incomplete do: [Reduced signal]]. > > "natural numbers" > n := 0. > reducible := [n := n+1]. > > > ## Transducers > > A transducer is an object that transforms a reducing function into another. > Transducers encapsulate common steps in processing data sequences, such as > map, filter, concatenate, and flatten. > A transducer transforms a reducing function into another via #transform: > in order to add those steps. > They can be composed using #* which yields a new transducer that does both > transformations. > Most transducers require an argument, typically blocks, symbols or numbers: > > square := Map function: #squared. > take := Take number: 1000. > > To facilitate compact notation, the argument types implement corresponding > methods: > > squareAndTake := #squared map * 1000 take. > > Transducers requiring no argument are singletons and can be accessed by > their class name. > > flattenAndDedupe := Flatten * Dedupe. > > > > # Advanced Concepts > > ## Data flows > > Processing a sequence of data can often be regarded as a data flow. > The operator #<~ allows define a flow from a data source through > processing steps to a drain. > For example: > > squares := Set <~ 1000 take <~ #squared map <~ (1 to: 1000). > fileOut writeStream <~ #isSeparator filter <~ fileIn readStream. > > In both examples #<~ is only used to set up the data flow using reducing > functions and transducers. > In contrast to streams, transducers are completely independent from input > and output sources. > Hence, we have a clear separation of reading data, writing data and > processing elements. > - Sources know how to iterate over data with a reducing function, e.g., > via #reduce:init:. > - Drains know how to collect data using a reducing function. > - Transducers know how to process single elements. > > > ## Reductions > > A reduction binds an initial value or a block yielding an initial value to > a reducing function. > The idea is to define a ready-to-use process that can be applied in > different contexts. > Reducibles handle reductions via #reduce: and #transduce:reduce: > For example: > > sum := #+ init: 0. > sum1 := #(1 1 1) reduce: sum. > sum2 := (1 to: 1000) transduce: #odd filter reduce: sum. > > asSet := [:set :e | set add: e; yourself] initializer: [Set new]. > set1 := #(1 1 1) reduce: asSet. > set2 := #(1 to: 1000) transduce: #odd filter reduce: asSet. > > By combining a transducer with a reduction, a process can be further > modified. > > sumOdds := sum <~ #odd filter > setOdds := asSet <~ #odd filter > > > ## Eductions > > An eduction combines a reducible data sources with a transducer. > The idea is to define a transformed (virtual) data source that needs not > to be stored in memory. > > odds1 := #odd filter <~ #(1 2 3) readStream. > odds2 := #odd filter <~ (1 to 1000). > > Depending on the underlying source, eductions can be processed once > (streams, e.g., odds1) or multiple times (collections, e.g., odds2). > Since no intermediate data is stored, transducers actions are lazy, i.e., > they are invoked each time the eduction is processed. > > > > # Origins > > Transducers is based on the same-named Clojure library and its ideas. > Please see: > http://clojure.org/transducers > >

June 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Porting Transducers to Pharo

by Stephane Ducasse

Hi steffen This is a great news. We need cool frameworks. - There is a package on cincom store to support the migration from VW to Pharo. FileOuter something. The name escapes my mind now. We updated it last year to help porting one application to Pharo. - I can help producing a nice document :) On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 2:23 PM, Steffen MÃ¤rcker <merkste(a)web.de> wrote: > Hi, > > I am the developer of the library 'Transducers' for VisualWorks. It was > formerly known as 'Reducers', but this name was a poor choice. I'd like to > port it to Pharo, if there is any interest on your side. I hope to learn > more about Pharo in this process, since I am mainly a VW guy. And most > likely, I will come up with a bunch of questions. :-) > > Meanwhile, I'll cross-post the introduction from VWnc below. I'd be very > happy to hear your optinions, questions and I hope we can start a fruitful > discussion - even if there is not Pharo port yet. > > Best, Steffen > > > > Transducers are building blocks that encapsulate how to process elements > of a data sequence independently of the underlying input and output source. > > > > # Overview > > ## Encapsulate > Implementations of enumeration methods, such as #collect:, have the logic > how to process a single element in common. > However, that logic is reimplemented each and every time. Transducers make > it explicit and facilitate re-use and coherent behavior. > For example: > - #collect: requires mapping: (aBlock1 map) > - #select: requires filtering: (aBlock2 filter) > > > ## Compose > In practice, algorithms often require multiple processing steps, e.g., > mapping only a filtered set of elements. > Transducers are inherently composable, and hereby, allow to make the > combination of steps explicit. > Since transducers do not build intermediate collections, their composition > is memory-efficient. > For example: > - (aBlock1 filter) * (aBlock2 map) "(1.) filter and (2.) map elements" > > > ## Re-Use > Transducers are decoupled from the input and output sources, and hence, > they can be reused in different contexts. > For example: > - enumeration of collections > - processing of streams > - communicating via channels > > > > # Usage by Example > > We build a coin flipping experiment and count the occurrence of heads and > tails. > > First, we associate random numbers with the sides of a coin. > > scale := [:x | (x * 2 + 1) floor] map. > sides := #(heads tails) replace. > > Scale is a transducer that maps numbers x between 0 and 1 to 1 and 2. > Sides is a transducer that replaces the numbers with heads an tails by > lookup in an array. > Next, we choose a number of samples. > > count := 1000 take. > > Count is a transducer that takes 1000 elements from a source. > We keep track of the occurrences of heads an tails using a bag. > > collect := [:bag :c | bag add: c; yourself]. > > Collect is binary block (reducing function) that collects events in a bag. > We assemble the experiment by transforming the block using the transducers. > > experiment := (scale * sides * count) transform: collect. > > From left to right we see the steps involved: scale, sides, count and > collect. > Transforming assembles these steps into a binary block (reducing function) > we can use to run the experiment. > > samples := Random new > reduce: experiment > init: Bag new. > > Here, we use #reduce:init:, which is mostly similar to #inject:into:. > To execute a transformation and a reduction together, we can use > #transduce:reduce:init:. > > samples := Random new > transduce: scale * sides * count > reduce: collect > init: Bag new. > > We can also express the experiment as data-flow using #<~. > This enables us to build objects that can be re-used in other experiments. > > coin := sides <~ scale <~ Random new. > flip := Bag <~ count. > > Coin is an eduction, i.e., it binds transducers to a source and > understands #reduce:init: among others. > Flip is a transformed reduction, i.e., it binds transducers to a reducing > function and an initial value. > By sending #<~, we draw further samples from flipping the coin. > > samples := flip <~ coin. > > This yields a new Bag with another 1000 samples. > > > > # Basic Concepts > > ## Reducing Functions > > A reducing function represents a single step in processing a data sequence. > It takes an accumulated result and a value, and returns a new accumulated > result. > For example: > > collect := [:col :e | col add: e; yourself]. > sum := #+. > > A reducing function can also be ternary, i.e., it takes an accumulated > result, a key and a value. > For example: > > collect := [:dic :k :v | dict at: k put: v; yourself]. > > Reducing functions may be equipped with an optional completing action. > After finishing processing, it is invoked exactly once, e.g., to free > resources. > > stream := [:str :e | str nextPut: each; yourself] completing: #close. > absSum := #+ completing: #abs > > A reducing function can end processing early by signaling Reduced with a > result. > This mechanism also enables the treatment of infinite sources. > > nonNil := [:res :e | e ifNil: [Reduced signalWith: res] ifFalse: > [res]]. > > The primary approach to process a data sequence is the reducing protocol > with the messages #reduce:init: and #transduce:reduce:init: if transducers > are involved. > The behavior is similar to #inject:into: but in addition it takes care of: > - handling binary and ternary reducing functions, > - invoking the completing action after finishing, and > - stopping the reduction if Reduced is signaled. > The message #transduce:reduce:init: just combines the transformation and > the reducing step. > > However, as reducing functions are step-wise in nature, an application may > choose other means to process its data. > > > ## Reducibles > > A data source is called reducible if it implements the reducing protocol. > Default implementations are provided for collections and streams. > Additionally, blocks without an argument are reducible, too. > This allows to adapt to custom data sources without additional effort. > For example: > > "XStreams adaptor" > xstream := filename reading. > reducible := [[xstream get] on: Incomplete do: [Reduced signal]]. > > "natural numbers" > n := 0. > reducible := [n := n+1]. > > > ## Transducers > > A transducer is an object that transforms a reducing function into another. > Transducers encapsulate common steps in processing data sequences, such as > map, filter, concatenate, and flatten. > A transducer transforms a reducing function into another via #transform: > in order to add those steps. > They can be composed using #* which yields a new transducer that does both > transformations. > Most transducers require an argument, typically blocks, symbols or numbers: > > square := Map function: #squared. > take := Take number: 1000. > > To facilitate compact notation, the argument types implement corresponding > methods: > > squareAndTake := #squared map * 1000 take. > > Transducers requiring no argument are singletons and can be accessed by > their class name. > > flattenAndDedupe := Flatten * Dedupe. > > > > # Advanced Concepts > > ## Data flows > > Processing a sequence of data can often be regarded as a data flow. > The operator #<~ allows define a flow from a data source through > processing steps to a drain. > For example: > > squares := Set <~ 1000 take <~ #squared map <~ (1 to: 1000). > fileOut writeStream <~ #isSeparator filter <~ fileIn readStream. > > In both examples #<~ is only used to set up the data flow using reducing > functions and transducers. > In contrast to streams, transducers are completely independent from input > and output sources. > Hence, we have a clear separation of reading data, writing data and > processing elements. > - Sources know how to iterate over data with a reducing function, e.g., > via #reduce:init:. > - Drains know how to collect data using a reducing function. > - Transducers know how to process single elements. > > > ## Reductions > > A reduction binds an initial value or a block yielding an initial value to > a reducing function. > The idea is to define a ready-to-use process that can be applied in > different contexts. > Reducibles handle reductions via #reduce: and #transduce:reduce: > For example: > > sum := #+ init: 0. > sum1 := #(1 1 1) reduce: sum. > sum2 := (1 to: 1000) transduce: #odd filter reduce: sum. > > asSet := [:set :e | set add: e; yourself] initializer: [Set new]. > set1 := #(1 1 1) reduce: asSet. > set2 := #(1 to: 1000) transduce: #odd filter reduce: asSet. > > By combining a transducer with a reduction, a process can be further > modified. > > sumOdds := sum <~ #odd filter > setOdds := asSet <~ #odd filter > > > ## Eductions > > An eduction combines a reducible data sources with a transducer. > The idea is to define a transformed (virtual) data source that needs not > to be stored in memory. > > odds1 := #odd filter <~ #(1 2 3) readStream. > odds2 := #odd filter <~ (1 to 1000). > > Depending on the underlying source, eductions can be processed once > (streams, e.g., odds1) or multiple times (collections, e.g., odds2). > Since no intermediate data is stored, transducers actions are lazy, i.e., > they are invoked each time the eduction is processed. > > > > # Origins > > Transducers is based on the same-named Clojure library and its ideas. > Please see: > http://clojure.org/transducers > >

June 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Porting Transducers to Pharo

by Yanni Chiu

To get the extension methods into the Transducers package, the following worked for me - edit the category to have the prefix '*Transducers-' 2710c2710 < !Number methodsFor: 'transforming' stamp: ' 2/6/17 15:38'! --- > !Number methodsFor: '*Transducers-transforming' stamp: ' 2/6/17 15:38'! On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 11:05 AM, Steffen MÃ¤rcker <merkste(a)web.de> wrote: > Dear all, > > thanks for the many suggestions. I didn't had time to test all > import/export ways yet. But for now, I can report on two: > > 1) NGFileOuter > Unfortunately It raised several MNUs in my image. I'll investigate them > later. > > 2) FileOut30 (VW Contributed) > I was able to file out the code except for the package definition. > Replacing {category: ''} in the class definitions with {package: > 'Transducers'} fixed that. However, methods that extend existing classes > did not end up in the Transducers package. Is there a similar easy change > to the file-out making that happen? Also I'd like to add the package > comment if that's possible. > > Most things appear to work as far as I can see. Two exceptions: > 1) Random is a subclass of Stream in VW and in Pharo it is not. Hence, > I'll have to copy some methods from Stream to Random. > 2) I used #beImmutable in VW but I couldn't yet figure out how to make > objects immutable in Pharo. > > However, until the tests are ported, I cannot guarantee. Porting the test > suite will be another beast, since I rely on the excellent mocking/stubbing > library DoubleAgents by Randy Coulman. I am not sure how I will handle > that. In general, I think it would be really worth the effort to be ported > to Pharo, too. DoubleAgents is pretty powerful and produces easy to read > and understand mocking/stubbing code. Personally, I prefer it clearly, > e.g., over Mocketry (no offence intended!). > > Attached you'll find the file-out that I loaded into Pharo. The issues > above are not addressed yet. However, the following example works: > > | scale sides count collect experiment random samples coin flip | > scale := [:x | (x * 2 + 1) floor] map. > sides := #(heads tails) replace. > count := 1000 take. > collect := [:bag :c | bag add: c; yourself]. > experiment := (scale * sides * count) transform: collect. > random := #(0.1 0.3 0.4 0.5 0.6 0.7 0.8 0.9). > > samples := random > reduce: experiment > init: Bag new. > > samples := random > transduce: scale * sides * count > reduce: collect > init: Bag new. > > coin := sides <~ scale <~ random. > flip := Bag <~ count. > > samples := flip <~ coin. > > > Best, Steffen > > > > Am .06.2017, 08:16 Uhr, schrieb Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com > >: > > There is a package for that NGFileOuter or something like that on cincom >> store. >> We used it for mobydic code. >> >> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 6:35 PM, Alexandre Bergel < >> alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> >> wrote: >> >> If I remember correctly, there is a parcel in VisualWorks to export a file >>> out (Squeak format). >>> >>> @Milton, can you give a hand to Steffen? >>> >>> Alexandre >>> -- >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>> >>> >>> >>> On May 31, 2017, at 10:32 AM, Steffen MÃ¤rcker <merkste(a)web.de> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for the encouraging response! First question: Which is the >>> recommended (friction free) way to exchange code between VW and Pharo? >>> >>> Cheers! >>> Steffen >>> >>> Am .05.2017, 16:22 Uhr, schrieb Alexandre Bergel < >>> alexandre.bergel(a)me.com >>> >: >>> >>> I second Sven. This is very exciting! >>> >>> Let us know when you have something ready to be tested. >>> >>> Alexandre >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>

June 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Can we auto translate Python to Smalltalk?

by Julien Delplanque

Hello, Actually I did the opposite to be able to use Python 3 libraries from Pharo. It is not complete, but you may want to take a look at it [1]. Using this lib you can craft a Python 3 AST and generate its source code. I guess there is a way to access the AST of a Python program using the API. Now, you have to see if it is always possible to convert a Python AST to a Pharo AST. One day, I read about someone that converted Python to Ruby (or the opposite) using bytecode translation. Maybe it is another way to do it. Julien Links: [1]: https://github.com/juliendelplanque/Python3Generator On 02/06/17 17:20, askoh wrote: > Python and JavaScript are driving the movement to Dynamic Languages. In > particular, Python is the language of choice to teach students programming > in universities. So, Smalltalk stands to gain from this shift. We all know > that Smalltalk has the best environment. But we lack the diverse code base. > Can we patch that gap with automatic translation from Python to Smalltalk? > How feasible would it be to auto translate SciPy to SciSmalltalk? Even if it > is imperfect, can we cut the effort by 50% or 80%? > > All the best, > Aik-Siong Koh > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Can-we-auto-translate-Python-to-Smalltalk-tp4949015.h… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

June 2, 2017

Can we auto translate Python to Smalltalk?

by askoh

Python and JavaScript are driving the movement to Dynamic Languages. In particular, Python is the language of choice to teach students programming in universities. So, Smalltalk stands to gain from this shift. We all know that Smalltalk has the best environment. But we lack the diverse code base. Can we patch that gap with automatic translation from Python to Smalltalk? How feasible would it be to auto translate SciPy to SciSmalltalk? Even if it is imperfect, can we cut the effort by 50% or 80%? All the best, Aik-Siong Koh -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Can-we-auto-translate-Python-to-Smalltalk-tp4949015.h… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Porting Transducers to Pharo

by Steffen MÃ¤rcker

Dear all, thanks for the many suggestions. I didn't had time to test all import/export ways yet. But for now, I can report on two: 1) NGFileOuter Unfortunately It raised several MNUs in my image. I'll investigate them later. 2) FileOut30 (VW Contributed) I was able to file out the code except for the package definition. Replacing {category: ''} in the class definitions with {package: 'Transducers'} fixed that. However, methods that extend existing classes did not end up in the Transducers package. Is there a similar easy change to the file-out making that happen? Also I'd like to add the package comment if that's possible. Most things appear to work as far as I can see. Two exceptions: 1) Random is a subclass of Stream in VW and in Pharo it is not. Hence, I'll have to copy some methods from Stream to Random. 2) I used #beImmutable in VW but I couldn't yet figure out how to make objects immutable in Pharo. However, until the tests are ported, I cannot guarantee. Porting the test suite will be another beast, since I rely on the excellent mocking/stubbing library DoubleAgents by Randy Coulman. I am not sure how I will handle that. In general, I think it would be really worth the effort to be ported to Pharo, too. DoubleAgents is pretty powerful and produces easy to read and understand mocking/stubbing code. Personally, I prefer it clearly, e.g., over Mocketry (no offence intended!). Attached you'll find the file-out that I loaded into Pharo. The issues above are not addressed yet. However, the following example works: | scale sides count collect experiment random samples coin flip | scale := [:x | (x * 2 + 1) floor] map. sides := #(heads tails) replace. count := 1000 take. collect := [:bag :c | bag add: c; yourself]. experiment := (scale * sides * count) transform: collect. random := #(0.1 0.3 0.4 0.5 0.6 0.7 0.8 0.9). samples := random reduce: experiment init: Bag new. samples := random transduce: scale * sides * count reduce: collect init: Bag new. coin := sides <~ scale <~ random. flip := Bag <~ count. samples := flip <~ coin. Best, Steffen Am .06.2017, 08:16 Uhr, schrieb Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com>: > There is a package for that NGFileOuter or something like that on cincom > store. > We used it for mobydic code. > > On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 6:35 PM, Alexandre Bergel > <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> > wrote: > >> If I remember correctly, there is a parcel in VisualWorks to export a >> file >> out (Squeak format). >> >> @Milton, can you give a hand to Steffen? >> >> Alexandre >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> On May 31, 2017, at 10:32 AM, Steffen MÃ¤rcker <merkste(a)web.de> wrote: >> >> Thanks for the encouraging response! First question: Which is the >> recommended (friction free) way to exchange code between VW and Pharo? >> >> Cheers! >> Steffen >> >> Am .05.2017, 16:22 Uhr, schrieb Alexandre Bergel >> <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com >> >: >> >> I second Sven. This is very exciting! >> >> Let us know when you have something ready to be tested. >> >> Alexandre >> >> >> >> >>

June 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Morphic or forking bug?

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Hi Horrido, It is very hard to follow what you are exactly doing or trying to do. Here is the simplest example I can think of that updates something in Morphic on a regular basis. StringMorph subclass: #MyClock instanceVariableNames: '' classVariableNames: '' package: '_UnpackagedPackage' MyClock>>#initialize super initialize. self updateClock MyClock>>#step self updateClock MyClock>>#updateClock self contents: Time now printString MyClock class>>#open "self open" ^ self new openInWindow This inherits #stepTime as 1 second. If I open such a window and save my image, it is still there when the image is restarted, with the clock still working. Updating (data structures in) the main UI process from another process is dangerous. Saving such constructs is even more dangerous. HTH, Sven > On 2 Jun 2017, at 15:54, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Sorry, I could be mistaken. I just checked my notes. The *0 asString* test > failed once, but I've not been able to replicate it. I might've been working > with an unclean image. > > So perhaps it is related to Morphic, after all. > > > horrido wrote >> Yup, they all fail. Interesting that > * >> 0 asString > * >> fails. This means it has NOTHING to do with Morphic (or Morphic being >> thread-unsafe). >> >> Ben Coman wrote >>> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:23 PM, horrido < > >>> horrido.hobbies@ > >>> > wrote: >>> >>> Can you try a few other variations... >>> [ [ true ] whileTrue: [ 0 asString. delay wait ] fork. >>> [ [ true ] whileTrue: [ a contents: '0'. delay wait ] fork. >>> [ [ true ] whileTrue: [ a contents: '0'. ] forkAt: 20. >>> >>> cheers -ben > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Morphic-or-forking-bug-tp4948727p4948984.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Morphic or forking bug?

by horrido

Sorry, I could be mistaken. I just checked my notes. The *0 asString* test failed once, but I've not been able to replicate it. I might've been working with an unclean image. So perhaps it is related to Morphic, after all. horrido wrote > Yup, they all fail. Interesting that * > 0 asString * > fails. This means it has NOTHING to do with Morphic (or Morphic being > thread-unsafe). > > Ben Coman wrote >> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:23 PM, horrido < >> horrido.hobbies@ >> > wrote: >> >> Can you try a few other variations... >> [ [ true ] whileTrue: [ 0 asString. delay wait ] fork. >> [ [ true ] whileTrue: [ a contents: '0'. delay wait ] fork. >> [ [ true ] whileTrue: [ a contents: '0'. ] forkAt: 20. >> >> cheers -ben -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Morphic-or-forking-bug-tp4948727p4948984.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Morphic or forking bug?

by horrido

Yup, they all fail. Interesting that *0 asString* fails. This means it has NOTHING to do with Morphic (or Morphic being thread-unsafe). Ben Coman wrote > On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:23 PM, horrido < > horrido.hobbies@ > > wrote: > > Can you try a few other variations... > [ [ true ] whileTrue: [ 0 asString. delay wait ] fork. > [ [ true ] whileTrue: [ a contents: '0'. delay wait ] fork. > [ [ true ] whileTrue: [ a contents: '0'. ] forkAt: 20. > > cheers -ben -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Morphic-or-forking-bug-tp4948727p4948983.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 2, 2017

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by Stephane Ducasse

Hi I would love to have

June 2, 2017