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Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo6 bootstrap how to

by Hilaire

So in pratical term, how do you create a baseline? Hilaire Le 26/06/2017 Ã 15:43, Pavel Krivanek a Ã©crit : > We have the BaselineOfBasicTools that is something in the middle. It > already contains Workspace and Nautilus (but not GTPlayground). > BaselineOfIDE corresponds to the standard Pharo distribution so you will > not save space. You should probalby create own baseline and select what > you need. > > > > For the later I really want to have an easier browser, something to > build on GLamour, if I understand correctly. But it will be another > topic, later. > > > Glamour is part of BaselineOfIDE so you will need it or create own baseline. > -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

June 26, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo6 bootstrap how to

by Pavel Krivanek

2017-06-26 15:35 GMT+02:00 Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu>: > Hi Pavel, > > Are your suggesting I should be using a pre-built image with minimal > requirement? : > > One for UI only : BaselineOfUi ? > > One for IDE tools: BaselineOfIDE. ? > > > In Dr. Geo to write script, one need at least access to a playground and > a class browser. Which of this image should be used then? > We have the BaselineOfBasicTools that is something in the middle. It already contains Workspace and Nautilus (but not GTPlayground). BaselineOfIDE corresponds to the standard Pharo distribution so you will not save space. You should probalby create own baseline and select what you need. > > For the later I really want to have an easier browser, something to > build on GLamour, if I understand correctly. But it will be another > topic, later. > Glamour is part of BaselineOfIDE so you will need it or create own baseline. Cheers, -- Pavel

June 26, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo6 bootstrap how to

by Hilaire

Hi Pavel, Are your suggesting I should be using a pre-built image with minimal requirement? : One for UI only : BaselineOfUi ? One for IDE tools: BaselineOfIDE. ? In Dr. Geo to write script, one need at least access to a playground and a class browser. Which of this image should be used then? For the later I really want to have an easier browser, something to build on GLamour, if I understand correctly. But it will be another topic, later. Thanks Hilaire -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

June 26, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo6 bootstrap how to

by Alistair Grant

Hi Pavel & Esteban, Thanks very much for your replies. What I wanted to do was to replace the line: ./vm/pharo Pharo.image eval --save "Metacello new baseline: 'IDE';repository: 'filetree://../src'; load" with one that would keep the repository associated in Iceberg. Of course, since this is the line that loads Iceberg, that's a bit difficult at the moment (I guess it would be possible to tell Iceberg that the loaded source matches the repository, and just associate it without loading, but I'd have to spend quite a bit more time on figuring that out). I want to focus on getting my patch that fixes #isSymlink and other file attributes finished and submitted, so I'll look at this again after that's done. Thanks again, Alistair On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 10:47:23AM +0200, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > > On 25 Jun 2017, at 10:41, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Thank you for the update, the original script was done for older Iceberg > versions. > > > indeed :) > > Esteban > > > > Cheers, > -- Pavel > > 2017-06-25 10:38 GMT+02:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: > > Hi! > > > On 25 Jun 2017, at 10:14, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > You can clone a repository with Iceberg with a script like this: > > target := 'pharo-core' asFileReference ensureCreateDirectory. > repository := IceRepositoryCreator new > remote: (IceRemote url: 'git@github.com:pharo-project/pharo.git'); > location: target; > subdirectory:'src'; > createRepository. > repository backend checkoutBranch: 'development'. > repository register. > > > this is a bit too verbose for my taste :) > you can do the same with this (which is more or less the same, btw? > just more compact) > > repository := IceRepositoryCreator new > remote: (IceRemote url: 'git@github.com:pharo-project/pharo.git'); > subdirectory:'src'; > createRepository. > repository checkoutBranch: 'development'. > repository register. > > - no need to violate demeters law by accessing directly to backend > - no need to specify a target location because it will put it in > default place. > > :) > > Esteban > > > > Setting of the system version is already fixed in Pharo 7. For > Pharo 6 you want to do something like this: > > ./pharo Pharo.image eval --save "| updateString | updateString := > 'tag.txt' asFileReference readStream contents allButFirst. > SystemVersion classPool at: #Current put: (SystemVersion new type: > 'Pharo'; major: updateString first asString asInteger; minor: > updateString second asString asInteger; highestUpdate: updateString > asInteger; suffix: ''; yourself)" > > Where tag.txt can by obtained from git by: > git describe --tags > tag.txt > > Cheers, > -- Pavel > > > > > 2017-06-24 22:06 GMT+02:00 Alistair Grant <akgrant0710(a)gmail.com>: > > Hi Pavel, > > On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 10:08:29PM +0200, Pavel Krivanek wrote: > > clone the master branch of git@github.com:pharo-project/p > haro.git and inside > > this clone do: > > > > export PHARO_VERSION=60 > > export BOOTSTRAP_ARCH=32 > > > > wget -O - get.pharo.org/${PHARO_VERSION}+vm | bash > > > > ./pharo Pharo.image --no-default-preferences ./bootstrap/ > scripts/ > > prepare_image.st --save --quit > > ./pharo Pharo.image --no-default-preferences ./bootstrap/ > scripts/bootstrap.st > > --ARCH=${BOOTSTRAP_ARCH} --quit > > bash ./bootstrap/scripts/build.sh > > > Thanks very much for providing these instructions. > > It would be great to have a version of the script that used > Iceberg to > load the code and kept the repository (pharo-project/pharo in > the > example above, but normally this would be a fork of the > repository). > This would greatly facilitate creating pull requests with bug > fixes. > > I'll try and figure out how to modify your script to do this, > but if > you're able to provide a quick answer, or even a hint, it would > be much > appreciated. > > Also, the version information doesn't appear to be set here, > i.e.: > > $ pharo Pharo.image printVersion > [version] nil.nil #0 > > I'll try and figure this out, but if you know, what do I need > to do to > get this set? > > Thanks again, > Alistair

June 26, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Planet squeak and friends

by Esteban Lorenzano

> On 26 Jun 2017, at 05:11, Ben Coman <btc(a)openInWorld.com> wrote: > > Thanks Bruce for taking this on. > > On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 10:54 PM, Bruce O'Neel <bruce.oneel(a)pckswarms.ch <mailto:bruce.oneel@pckswarms.ch>> wrote: > Hi, > > This now seems to work though there are a few points: > > * http://pharo.org/news/atom.xml <http://pharo.org/news/atom.xml> gives me a 502, but, http://pharo.org/news/ <http://pharo.org/news/atom.xml> works fine. Could someone look into this please? > > * I have renamed any site that still responds but has not been updated in 2017 to Historical - site name. There are sadly only 6 sites NOT marked historical and 16 marked historical. Surely there are some other squeak/pharo/?? blogs, right? If so, please send them to me! > > Six months seems a really short history. I have my next post 90% done and planning to publish in a few weeks. > Can we not cater for people that post irregularly? Prior to my 2016 stint of posts, my next previous post was 2012. Sean's last post still seems relevant. I propose the general historical filter be two years. Or do we just want frequent authors? > > Also, the Squeak Oversight Board should probably be kept proforma, even if announcements are infrequent. > > 2016.09 - Ben Coman > 2015.03 - Sean DeNigris > 2015.01 - Squeak Oversight Board > > 2014.09 - Steve Wessels > 2014.08 - Bert Freudenberg > 2014.08 - Julian Fitzell > 2012.04 - Michael Van der Gulik > 2012.04 - Bernhard Pieber > 2011.09 - Andreas Raab > 2011.03 - SqueakNOS > 2011.02 - Ian Trudel > 2010.10 - Ramon Leon > 2010.10 - Squeakland > 2010.02 - Milan Zimmermann > 2009.08 - Summer of Squeak > 2009.06 - Darius > 2006.04 - Suslov Nikolay > > > > * In a few weeks most of the historical sites will disapear. > > Can they be moved to a "Historical" section of the sidebar (like "See also"), > so as to not totally lose track of historical characters? > Or is that not suitable for an aggregation site? > > > * I've not looked hard at any other than planet.squeak.org <http://planet.squeak.org/>. > > * Planetfr.squeak.org <http://planetfr.squeak.org/> had no sites. Should we keep it? > > * As sad as I might be about it, croquet seems to have passed on. Should I just get rid of planetcroquet? > > Thanks. And thanks for the responses before. I'll implement them, don't worry. > > > A few more here... > http://pharo.org/web/news <http://pharo.org/web/news> > http://pharo.org/blogs <http://pharo.org/blogs> > > 2017.06 - Tudor Girba, Humane assessment (http://humane-assessment.com/blog <http://humane-assessment.com/blog>) > 2017.06 - Torsten Bergmann, The Hitchhiker's Guide to ... (https://astares.blogspot.com.au/ <https://astares.blogspot.com.au/>) > 2017.06 - Hernan Morales biosmalltalk (https://biosmalltalk.blogspot.com.au <https://biosmalltalk.blogspot.com.au/>) > 2017.06 - Ecole des Mines, Components, Agents, and Robots (http://car.mines-douai.fr/ <http://car.mines-douai.fr/>) > 2017.05 - Pierce Ng, Smalltalk programming for the web (http://www.samadhiweb.com/blog <http://www.samadhiweb.com/blog>) > 2017.03 - Clement Bera, Tips 'n Tricks (https://clementbera.wordpress.com/ <https://clementbera.wordpress.com/>) > 2017.02 - Eliot Miranda, Cog Blog (http://www.mirandabanda.org/cogblog <http://www.mirandabanda.org/cogblog>) > 2016.11 - Kilon, Pharo Trek (http://www.kilon-alios.com/subpages/blog/index.html <http://www.kilon-alios.com/subpages/blog/index.html>) > 2016.08 - Yuriy Tymchuk, Uko on Code and Sleepy Coders (http://blog.yuriy.tymch.uk/ <http://blog.yuriy.tymch.uk/>) > 2016.06 - Hernan Morales, 80738163270632 (https://80738163270632.blogspot.com.au/ <https://80738163270632.blogspot.com.au/>) > > 2015.03 - Sean DeNigris, (http://seandenigris.com/blog/?cat=Smalltalk <http://seandenigris.com/blog/?cat=Smalltalk>) > 2015.03 - Mariano Martinez Peck, Sending messages (https://marianopeck.wordpress.com/ <https://marianopeck.wordpress.com/>) > 2015.02 - S. Krish, Skrishnamachariâs Weblog (https://skrishnamachari.wordpress.com/ <https://skrishnamachari.wordpress.com/>) > 2015.02 - Mark Rizun, Coding is Fun (https://myfuncoding.blogspot.com.au/ <https://myfuncoding.blogspot.com.au/>) > 2014.05 - Yuriy Tymchuk, Sleepy Coders (https://sleepycoders.blogspot.com.au/ <https://sleepycoders.blogspot.com.au/>) > 2014.02 - Philippe Back, The Philippe Back Report (http://philippeback.be/?s=pharo <http://philippeback.be/?s=pharo>) > 2013.09 - Laurent Laffont, MaGaLoMa (https://magaloma.blogspot.com.au/ <https://magaloma.blogspot.com.au/>) > 2013.09 - Guille Polito, Playing with Objects (https://playingwithobjects.wordpress.com/ <https://playingwithobjects.wordpress.com/>) > 2012.06 - Igor Stasenko, Computer Adventures (https://computeradventures.wordpress.com/ <https://computeradventures.wordpress.com/>) > 502 BAD GATEWAY Esteban Lorenzano, The Martian Chronicles (http://smallworks.eu/web/blog <http://smallworks.eu/web/blog>) woops! fixed :) cheers! Esteban > > New... > 2017.06 - Sven Van Caekenberghe (https://medium.com/concerning-pharo <https://medium.com/concerning-pharo>) > 2017.05 - Denis Kudriashov (http://dionisiydk.blogspot.com.au/ <http://dionisiydk.blogspot.com.au/>) > 2016.11 - David & Craig (http://smalltalkreflections.blogspot.com.au/ <http://smalltalkreflections.blogspot.com.au/>) > 2016.08 - Peter Uhnak (https://www.peteruhnak.com/blog/categories/pharo/ <https://www.peteruhnak.com/blog/categories/pharo/>) > > cheers -ben > > > >

June 26, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Planet squeak and friends

by Ben Coman

Thanks Bruce for taking this on. On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 10:54 PM, Bruce O'Neel <bruce.oneel(a)pckswarms.ch> wrote: > Hi, > > This now seems to work though there are a few points: > > * http://pharo.org/news/atom.xml gives me a 502, but, > http://pharo.org/news/ <http://pharo.org/news/atom.xml> works fine. > Could someone look into this please? > > * I have renamed any site that still responds but has not been updated in > 2017 to Historical - site name. There are sadly only 6 sites NOT marked > historical and 16 marked historical. Surely there are some other > squeak/pharo/?? blogs, right? If so, please send them to me! > Six months seems a really short history. I have my next post 90% done and planning to publish in a few weeks. Can we not cater for people that post irregularly? Prior to my 2016 stint of posts, my next previous post was 2012. Sean's last post still seems relevant. I propose the general historical filter be two years. Or do we just want frequent authors? Also, the Squeak Oversight Board should probably be kept proforma, even if announcements are infrequent. 2016.09 - Ben Coman 2015.03 - Sean DeNigris 2015.01 - Squeak Oversight Board 2014.09 - Steve Wessels 2014.08 - Bert Freudenberg 2014.08 - Julian Fitzell 2012.04 - Michael Van der Gulik 2012.04 - Bernhard Pieber 2011.09 - Andreas Raab 2011.03 - SqueakNOS 2011.02 - Ian Trudel 2010.10 - Ramon Leon 2010.10 - Squeakland 2010.02 - Milan Zimmermann 2009.08 - Summer of Squeak 2009.06 - Darius 2006.04 - Suslov Nikolay > > * In a few weeks most of the historical sites will disapear. > Can they be moved to a "Historical" section of the sidebar (like "See also"), so as to not totally lose track of historical characters? Or is that not suitable for an aggregation site? > > * I've not looked hard at any other than planet.squeak.org. > > * Planetfr.squeak.org had no sites. Should we keep it? > > * As sad as I might be about it, croquet seems to have passed on. Should > I just get rid of planetcroquet? > > Thanks. And thanks for the responses before. I'll implement them, don't > worry. > A few more here... http://pharo.org/web/news http://pharo.org/blogs 2017.06 - Tudor Girba, Humane assessment (http://humane-assessment.com/blog) 2017.06 - Torsten Bergmann, The Hitchhiker's Guide to ... ( https://astares.blogspot.com.au/) 2017.06 - Hernan Morales biosmalltalk (https://biosmalltalk.blogspot.com.au) 2017.06 - Ecole des Mines, Components, Agents, and Robots ( http://car.mines-douai.fr/) 2017.05 - Pierce Ng, Smalltalk programming for the web ( http://www.samadhiweb.com/blog) 2017.03 - Clement Bera, Tips 'n Tricks (https://clementbera.wordpress.com/) 2017.02 - Eliot Miranda, Cog Blog (http://www.mirandabanda.org/cogblog) 2016.11 - Kilon, Pharo Trek (http://www.kilon-alios.com/ subpages/blog/index.html) 2016.08 - Yuriy Tymchuk, Uko on Code and Sleepy Coders ( http://blog.yuriy.tymch.uk/) 2016.06 - Hernan Morales, 80738163270632 (https://80738163270632. blogspot.com.au/) 2015.03 - Sean DeNigris, (http://seandenigris.com/blog/?cat=Smalltalk) 2015.03 - Mariano Martinez Peck, Sending messages (https://marianopeck. wordpress.com/) 2015.02 - S. Krish, Skrishnamachariâs Weblog (https://skrishnamachari. wordpress.com/) 2015.02 - Mark Rizun, Coding is Fun (https://myfuncoding.blogspot.com.au/) 2014.05 - Yuriy Tymchuk, Sleepy Coders (https://sleepycoders. blogspot.com.au/) 2014.02 - Philippe Back, The Philippe Back Report ( http://philippeback.be/?s=pharo) 2013.09 - Laurent Laffont, MaGaLoMa (https://magaloma.blogspot.com.au/) 2013.09 - Guille Polito, Playing with Objects (https://playingwithobjects. wordpress.com/) 2012.06 - Igor Stasenko, Computer Adventures (https://computeradventures. wordpress.com/) 502 BAD GATEWAY Esteban Lorenzano, The Martian Chronicles ( http://smallworks.eu/web/blog) New... 2017.06 - Sven Van Caekenberghe (https://medium.com/concerning-pharo) 2017.05 - Denis Kudriashov (http://dionisiydk.blogspot.com.au/) 2016.11 - David & Craig (http://smalltalkreflections.blogspot.com.au/) 2016.08 - Peter Uhnak (https://www.peteruhnak.com/blog/categories/pharo/) cheers -ben

June 26, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Planet squeak and friends

by Stephane Ducasse

Please remove planetfr.squeak.org. Bruce you should not be sad. Pharo is getting cooler and cooler the community is growing. Pharoers are delivering amazing tools and frameworks. And it will continue because we are just all pushing in the same direction. Because Pharo is Yours. You can have an impact and help us making it even better. Stef On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Bruce O'Neel <bruce.oneel(a)pckswarms.ch> wrote: > Hi, > > This now seems to work though there are a few points: > > * http://pharo.org/news/atom.xml gives me a 502, but, http://pharo.org/news/ > works fine. Could someone look into this please? > > * I have renamed any site that still responds but has not been updated in > 2017 to Historical - site name. There are sadly only 6 sites NOT marked > historical and 16 marked historical. Surely there are some other > squeak/pharo/?? blogs, right? If so, please send them to me! > > * In a few weeks most of the historical sites will disapear. > > * I've not looked hard at any other than planet.squeak.org. > > * Planetfr.squeak.org had no sites. Should we keep it? > > * As sad as I might be about it, croquet seems to have passed on. Should I > just get rid of planetcroquet? > > Thanks. And thanks for the responses before. I'll implement them, don't > worry. > > cheers > > bruce > > >

June 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo6 bootstrap how to

by Stephane Ducasse

thanks Pavel this is great to see that happening :) On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 6:47 PM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > if you will do own bootstrap, you can use BaselineOfUI instead of > BaselineOfIDE. But you can use prebuilt image from here: > > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/view/6.0-SysConf/job/Pharo-6.0-Step-10-01-Configu… > > Into such image load Dr. Geo with the attached script: > ./pharo-ui Pharo-6.0-ConfigurationOfUI.image --no-default-preferences st > load.st --save --quit > > and run it with: > ./pharo-ui Pharo-6.0-ConfigurationOfUI.image --no-default-preferences > > This image hase some problems with settings processing so the > --no-default-preferences is needed. We need to fix it. > > The resultant image is under 18MB. Of course we can do better :-) > > -- Pavel > > > 2017-06-25 17:16 GMT+02:00 Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu>: >> >> Hi Pavel, >> >> I removed deprecated method uses, then I updated accordingly the >> 'development' configuration of Dr. Geo. Hope it helps. >> >> Thanks >> >> Hilaire >> >> Le 25/06/2017 Ã 10:03, Pavel Krivanek a Ã©crit : >> > >> > I tried to play a little bit with that. As the first step please check >> > that Dr. Geo can be loaded properly into the standard Pharo 6 image with >> > the package Deprecated60 unloaded. The Dr. Geo uses some deprecated >> > calls and this package is not present in the smaller images. >> > >> >> -- >> Dr. Geo >> http://drgeo.eu >> >> >

June 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo6 bootstrap how to

by Stephane Ducasse

Hilaire I like your goal because this is what we want to achieve. what you should know is that the Pharo packages that we load to create Pharo are not all modular because they were not. We started to get Pharo modular and we will continue. On two fronts: - getting the core smaller - getting pharo more modular So if you see - packages where a dependency can be easily removed (for example by producing two packages instead of one). - packages that can just be loaded separately (we could just create a new package out an larger one). - packages that can just be thrown away. let us know. Stef On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 10:29 AM, Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> wrote: > Hi Pavel, > > Le 24/06/2017 Ã 09:35, Pavel Krivanek a Ã©crit : >> The question is what is your goal because the bootstrapped image will > > I want to build an image for DrGeo which is not 60MB. (the size I have > now on my P6 dev image for Dr. Geo) > > Until now, DrGeo was installed then unecessary packages removed. With > the first Pharo release, DrGeo image was around 10MB, in the latest > DrGeo release (based on P3), its image is more than 20MB. > > For P6, if possible, I would like to use the bootstrap process > >> have in the end (almost) the same content as the default >> non-bootstrapped image. >> You probably want to change the content of the produced image wich >> requires to modify the related baselines and do not load them all. For >> Dr Geo you will probably want to start with the BaselineOfMorphic >> however you will probably need a lot of custom modifications. > > > I don't know... May be we can take Dr. Geo as an excuse to see step by > step how to do it. If we succeed I could document it so it may be useful > to other. > > > -- > Dr. Geo > http://drgeo.eu > >

June 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [squeak-dev] Planet squeak and friends

by Tobias Pape

> On 25.06.2017, at 20:33, Simon Michael <simon(a)joyful.com> wrote: > > Hi Bruce, thanks for working on it. > > I see you've moved planet*.squeak.org to another server and are making updates. Great! > > > On 6/25/17 7:54 AM, Bruce O'Neel wrote: >> This now seems to work though there are a few points: >> * [http://pharo.org/news/atom.xml](http://pharo.org/news/atom.xml) gives me a 502, but, [http://pharo.org/news/](http://pharo.org/news/atom.xml)Ã works fine.Ã Could someone look into this please? > > That's a little confusing. Are you moving/mirroring planet squeak to the pharo.org namespace ? > >> * I have renamed any site that still responds but has not been updated in 2017 to Historical - site name.Ã There are sadly only 6 sites NOT marked historical and 16 marked historical.Ã Surely there are some other squeak/pharo/?? blogs, right?Ã If so, please send them to me! >> * In a few weeks most of the historical sites will disapear.Ã > > Sounds good, I guess. > >> * I've not looked hard at any other than planet.squeak.org.Ã >> * Planetfr.squeak.org had no sites.Ã Should we keep it? > Nope, >> * As sad as I might be about it, croquet seems to have passed on.Ã Should I just get rid of planetcroquet? > > Yep. > > How about putting planetes on leave as well. It doesn't make sense to have an aggregator for one active feed. > > Any of these could be revived later if necessary. Or the active feeds could be merged into the main planet, unless the mixed languages make that too noisy. > > planetmisc.squeak.org - I've never heard of anyone using this, your call.. > > planet.smalltalk.org - hmm, still going strong. Do you think it still makes sense to have squeak-ish planet(s) separate from planet smalltalk ? Would it be better to focus everything there instead ? Note that this particular planet is not currently on the new squeak infrastructure. best regards -tobias > > Best > -Simon > > >

June 25, 2017