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Re: [Pharo-users] What is proper fix for this?

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

On 17/08/17 03:49, Herby VojÄÃk wrote: > Guillermo Polito wrote: >> >> >> Just a thought out of thin air: wasn't filetree supposed to provide >> common ground for this kind of scenarios? If we shared a single >> repository in github that would save us a lot of discussion :P > > I'd prefer on-premise git.smalltalkhub.com, but it's just me. :-( > > Is not just you. I try also to maintain my own critical infrastructure, like DVCS using Fossil, and I'm a huge promoter/believer in community own infrastructure. Would be really nice to have git.smalltalkhub.com using Gogs ( https://gogs.io/ ). The issue is that we're a small community with small resources to have our own infrastructure.... :-/. Cheers, Offray

Aug. 18, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Installation done last week: Do I have Pharo 6.0 or Pharo 6.1?

by Peter Uhnak

I don't know what was the exact reasoning why it was chosen to stay this way... 60505 is still 6.0, so somewhere between 60506 and 60510 is the split. :-) Peter On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 04:21:24PM +0200, H. Hirzel wrote: > Hello > > Pharo 6.1 was released on the 24th July 2017. > Thread [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Pharo 6.1 (summer) released! (35 messages so far). > My question short: Which version do I get when installing? > > Last week I on the the 9th August I did > > curl get.pharo.org | bash > > on Ubuntu 14.04-32bit. Installation was done fully automated. Very > smooth! Excellent! > > Just needed to do in a terminal window > ./pharo-ui > to start Pharo 6.x > > Now my question: > > 'Word menu' -> 'System' -> 'About' > > gives me > > Pharo 6.0 > Latest update: #60510 > > > Is the indication 'Pharo 6.0' just an omission in the release process > and it should say 'Pharo 6.1'? > Or did I still get 'Pharo 6.0' for some reason? > > Thank you for the answer in advance > > Hannes >

Aug. 18, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.1 catalog -- How is the catalog information updated?

by H. Hirzel

I found http://catalog.pharo.org/ and the link 'a note to developers' Following that I see that a ConfigurationOfXYZ file needs to be in http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/MetaRepoForPharo60/main So I assume if a newer version of a ConfigurationOfXYZ is put there, the catalog information is updated in the Pharo catalog browser in the image. Is this correct? HH On 8/18/17, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello > > Where do I find information how the Pharo 6.1 catalog entries are > maintained? > > Thank you in advance > > Hannes >

Aug. 18, 2017

[Pillar] Installed the Pillar document preparation system into 6.1, how do I start using it?

by H. Hirzel

Hello I installed Pillar through the catalog into Pharo 6.1, I assume. I had a look into the Help browser to find some documentation or a link to the documentation. I did not find a menu entry in the world menu to open the tool. How do I start using the tool? --Hannes

Aug. 18, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] GTInspect auto-update in raw view?

by Andrei Chis

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On 17 Aug 2017, at 01:02, Aliaksei Syrel <alex.syrel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello Esteban, > > You can enable auto-refresh with: GTInspector enableStepRefresh > For performance reasons it is disabled by default. If you are curious why > I think Andrei could explain a bit more :) > > > I want to know why is disabled and more than that, when will we be able to > make it enabled by default, as before. > Mostly because it was finished just before the Pharo 6 release. I'd say we can enable it by default for Pharo 7 and see if there are any issues. Cheers, Andrei > > Esteban > > > Cheers, > Alex > > On 17 August 2017 at 00:56, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Is there a way to enable the auto-update of instance variables display in >> the GTInspector? >> >> There are cases where the instance is nil, I then initialize it somehow, >> but the variable is still displayed as nil. >> >> I know there is an "Update" button, which BTW should be labeled "refresh" >> instead, to do it manually, but hey, this is Smalltalk, we invented MVC :D >> >> We can consider the previous as a feature, but what I think it is a bug >> is that if the variable is nil, and later it is initialized, nil is still >> displayed, but when clicked the nodes below it shows the variables of the >> new object in the instance variable. >> >> E.g. >> <image.png> >> >> Is this a bug or a feature? >> >> Regards! >> >> Esteban A. Maringolo >> > > >

Aug. 18, 2017

Pharo 6.1 catalog -- How is the catalog information updated?

by H. Hirzel

Hello Where do I find information how the Pharo 6.1 catalog entries are maintained? Thank you in advance Hannes

Aug. 18, 2017

[Ann] Data activism, visualization and storytelling with reproducible research for undergrad journalism and communication sciences students

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

Hi :-), A little announcement, that can be interesting for several communities and practices to bridge them and make them more visible (so, that's why the cross posting). At mid September I'm going to give a little workshop at a local university for undergrad journalism and communication sciences students using the Pharo live coding environment [1] and Roassal agile visualization engine [2] combined with Grafoscopio[3]. We're going to retake our Twitter Data Selfies project[4], as is usual with our recurrent Data Week[5] hackathon+workshop. [1] http://pharo.org/ [2] http://agilevisualization.com/ [3] http://mutabit.com/grafoscopio/index.en.html [4] http://mutabit.com/offray/blog/en/entry/ds-twitter-mockup [5] http://mutabit.com/dataweek/ Also as usual, we will make real time memories, via etherpads, and more elaborated thematic ones via interactive notebooks that we will be sharing with you in (Fossil) source repositories and other "pocket infrastructures", under a permissive and solidary copy(far)left license. I'll give you more details as we advance. Cheers, Offray

Aug. 18, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Installation done last week: Do I have Pharo 6.0 or Pharo 6.1?

by H. Hirzel

Thank you, Bernhard and Markus for confirming that Pharo is not reporting the correct version number. But do you think I probably got 6.1 when I installed it on the 9th August with curl get.pharo.org | bash on Ubuntu. Or should I just run the installation command again? --Hannes On 8/18/17, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> On 18 Aug 2017, at 16:36, Bernhard Pieber <bernhard(a)pieber.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Hannes, >> >> I think I read somewhere that the 6.1 release reports the version number >> 6.0 in the image. However, if that means you have got 6.1 I am not sure >> how to tell. >> > We should really make that more consentâ¦ e.g.. we should have a â61â > directly here, too: > > http://files.pharo.org/image/ <http://files.pharo.org/image/> > > and image update number should be 61001 instead of continuing 60â¦ > > (or name them just 6 instead of 60). > > of course changing all that is a lot of workâ¦ it is a bit historically > grown. it used to be that point releases happend > ever year and all the infrastructure is not really good for doing it more > frequently. > > So: yes, too improve. > > Marcus > > >

Aug. 18, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [Ann] Blog entry about using Pharo / Smalltalk to build a bot

by Dimitris Chloupis

Yeah all that sounds familiar to me Its great you made this post because as you see its all about the illusion of popularity than actual popularity. Exposing Pharo like this is a great way to gain "popularity". My numbers by the way can be widely disputed however there is a common pattern here that pretty much every other "popular language top 20" agrees on , that "popular" languages , according to Tiobe Index top 20, dont even make 50% of the actual languages people use. I have seen several language ranks, like PYPI (which of course is highly biased in favour of Python) , poplang etc. They all agree on this. The disagree on how much popular each language is , or how many developers are out there, but what they do not disagree on is that popular languages take only half of the pie. 50% is far lower than expected, I expected top 10 to concentrate at least 70%. The inability of the top 20 to do that just blows my mind. The reason why there are not many people using Smalltalk is not because PHP is popular. Quite the opposite , its not that popular in reality . The reason is that even "unpopular" languages take only a pathetic 0-1% user base there are still thousands upon thousands of them out there which is what helps them to make that other 50%. So the question that arises, and this is what surprised me , is not "why people use popular languages" ? But rather "why people use unpopular languages". Because if 1 in 2 coders use languages that are less than 1% thats is kinda of big deal. Which also collapses the stereotype of hype addicted coder. Instead we see a coder that likes to try a variety of things. Which in turn that Pharo is as "threatened" by popular language as much as it is by unpopular languages. Unpopular languages are not used so much on big project as main languages but they are used for much more minor tasks. We should not forget how Python started. It did not became popular because it was used as a programming language. Actually its creator has been quoted in the early history of Python stating that he designed the language only to be a scripting language and to be used for very small task of only a few lines of code. NOT , I repeat , NOT as a programming language. This is his actual word. Which is how he explained the minimalism of the syntax, he also targeted Python to education to help people started coding. World domination was never in his plans at all. Even later he still insisted that Python should never been used as a replacement for C. Yet scientists have done this very thing, as Python is extremely popular with scientists. This shows the power of small beginnings and I think this is also can teach a very important lesson for Pharo that filling the small gaps , targeting the minor tasks can be a massive boost to the popularity of the language. Because more and more people used python for just a replacement to bash or just for doing something simple, then started slowly and steadily using it for more and more complex tasks. This sneaky tactic can be a great way to promote pharo to your coworkers. No need to convert your entire project to PHP. Just start using Pharo for minor tasks, maybe clean up the code, analyse and visualise the code base with Roassal , parse some text files etc. This way your coworkers will stat seeing you using this obscure language with no need for you to start ranting how amazing Pharo is and no need for them to learn Pharo. Instead of seeing something that is too good to be true they will see something that "just works". Of course you did something much better and built an entire project on Pharo which is why I think your blog posts is such a great advertisement for Pharo. Well done :) On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 3:55 PM sergio ruiz <sergio.rrd(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Oh! I like your approach.. > > Let me quickly clarify my situation. In that section of the article, I was > referring to my workplace. In my case, no one else in the dev department > knows smalltalk. In a great many workplaces, devs donât really want to > learn a new language / framework without going off to a developer summer > camp or something like that. > > I have found that once a developer gets to a certain level of competence, > they can quickly (in a weekend?) get up to speed on the use of a new > language / framework to get their project done. > > For a long time, I felt the sting of the âmost popular language listsâ as > companies wanted to start all projects in PHP so that if the senior devs > moved on, they could just hire some kids âcheap, just out of schoolâ to > work on the project. > > i do think there are lots of things about to change Pharoâs place in the > world, especially the Pharo MOOC.. > > there was one claim you made in that post that got me thinking > > ""No one else knows Smalltalk." > > So I wonder how many developers amount to "no one". > > > > > ---- > peace, > sergio > photographer, journalist, visionary > > Public Key: http://bit.ly/29z9fG0 > #BitMessage BM-NBaswViL21xqgg9STRJjaJaUoyiNe2dV > http://www.Village-Buzz.com <http://www.village-buzz.com/> > http://www.ThoseOptimizeGuys.com <http://www.thoseoptimizeguys.com/> > http://www.coffee-black.com > http://www.painlessfrugality.com > http://www.twitter.com/sergio_101 > http://www.facebook.com/sergio101 >

Aug. 18, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [ann] moldable brick editor - alpha

by Aliaksei Syrel

Hello Stephan, > Yep. I tried with a clean 6.1 install. > The Moz2D library is downloaded, but does not seem to be installed > correctly Below is the list of dependencies for *64bit Ubuntu* and *32bit Pharo*: (on 64bit pharo it should theoretically work out of the box, except 64bit related issues) > sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386; > sudo apt-get update; > export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/pkgconfig/; > > echo "Installing c++ libraries"; > sudo apt install libstdc++6:i386; > > echo "Installing GTK-2.0..."; > sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-0:i386; > echo "Installing GTK-3.0..."; > sudo apt-get install libgtk-3-0:i386; > > echo "Installing libGL..."; > sudo apt-get install libglu1-mesa:i386; We have travis Build which is green: https://github.com/syrel/Sparta/blob/master/.travis.yml https://travis-ci.org/syrel/Sparta On Windows users should install Visual C++ Redistributable for Visual Studio 2015: (reduces binary size by >10mb) https://www.microsoft.com/en-US/download/details.aspx?id=48145 On OSX works out of the box Cheers, Alex On 18 August 2017 at 17:01, stephan <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: > On 12-08-17 10:47, Tudor Girba wrote: > >> Is this still an issue? >> > > Yep. I tried with a clean 6.1 install. > The Moz2D library is downloaded, but does not seem to be installed > correctly > > > Could you also try on another OS (just to make sure)? > > next step > > Stephan > >

Aug. 18, 2017