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Re: [Pharo-users] Morphic renderer for Pillar?

by H. Hirzel

BTW I am looking for a **renderer** only. Not an editor at the moment. On 8/25/17, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks, Doru for the update on a Pillar editor with support for the > new Bloc framework. > It looks fine and I am aware of this effort. > > But as I wrote in spite of the Bloc efforts I am interested to see > what has been done in terms of a Morphic renderer for Pillar. > > I imagine what has been done so far might be sufficient for my > purposes and I can use it right now and not only in Pharo. > > --Hannes > > On 8/25/17, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> As mentioned in an announcement about 10 days ago, we are building a >> Pillar >> editor with inline viewing abilities in Bloc. Here is how it looked like. >> Please note the embedded picture. We continued working on it since then >> and >> we will probably announce the next version this weekend: >> >> >> >>> On Aug 25, 2017, at 11:04 AM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hello Stephane >>> >>> On 8/24/17, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> [...] >>>> >>>> This is good that there is Section 7 this in the doc. [1] We started to >>>> build a simple Morphic renderer for Pillar. >>>> We should continue. If someone wants to have fun. This would be nice >>>> to have see it coming to live. >>> >>> I am interested in this. Where is the code? >>> >>> BTW if other people want to do a Pillar renderer for Bloc I have no >>> problem with that..... >>> :-; >>> [...] >>> >>> Regards >>> --Hannes >>> >>> >>> [1] >>> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/EnterprisePharoBook/lastSuccessf… >>> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> www.feenk.com >> >> "We cannot reach the flow of things unless we let go." >> >> >> >> >> >

Aug. 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Morphic renderer for Pillar?

by H. Hirzel

Thanks, Doru for the update on a Pillar editor with support for the new Bloc framework. It looks fine and I am aware of this effort. But as I wrote in spite of the Bloc efforts I am interested to see what has been done in terms of a Morphic renderer for Pillar. I imagine what has been done so far might be sufficient for my purposes and I can use it right now and not only in Pharo. --Hannes On 8/25/17, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Hi, > > As mentioned in an announcement about 10 days ago, we are building a Pillar > editor with inline viewing abilities in Bloc. Here is how it looked like. > Please note the embedded picture. We continued working on it since then and > we will probably announce the next version this weekend: > > > >> On Aug 25, 2017, at 11:04 AM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hello Stephane >> >> On 8/24/17, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> [...] >>> >>> This is good that there is Section 7 this in the doc. [1] We started to >>> build a simple Morphic renderer for Pillar. >>> We should continue. If someone wants to have fun. This would be nice >>> to have see it coming to live. >> >> I am interested in this. Where is the code? >> >> BTW if other people want to do a Pillar renderer for Bloc I have no >> problem with that..... >> :-; >> [...] >> >> Regards >> --Hannes >> >> >> [1] >> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/EnterprisePharoBook/lastSuccessf… >> > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > www.feenk.com > > "We cannot reach the flow of things unless we let go." > > > > >

Aug. 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Minimizing an Application

by Tim Mackinnon

Mariano's PhD was on this - as mentioned it to me a few weeks ago. This was one of the reasons for building fuel - to enable this sort of thing on top - and he proved it worked. Dimitrus - the idea is to I have a small core that loads quick and then less used elements can be paged in when needed (but maybe that's what you're saying too). I disagree that Pharo desperately needs image assembly tools. It's quite specialised - and we have some core tools to work with, and minimal images to start from. While I'd love more - finishing off what we already have in play (e.g. Got, bloc, Calypso ...) would seem more urgent. Tim Sent from my iPhone > On 25 Aug 2017, at 08:47, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I still dont know what opening has to do with transmitting, even when you do it remotely , a socket / websocket connection should be all you need. For me transmitting the entire image would be necessary only in the case you want to install it remotely and that remote location has no immediate access to the installation. > >> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 7:14 AM Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: >> I understand that to mean effectively that you are "opening" the image across the net - so eventually you need to whole image transmitted, but you don't have to wait for the whole thing before you start running it. >> cheers -ben >> >> >>> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 2:00 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Indeed that can be a barrier but why you would want to transmit an entire image instead of portion of it using something like fuel files or other binary formats ? It would dramatically reduce the size of data you transmit. >>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 8:10 PM Craig Latta <craig(a)blackpagedigital.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> > ...10mbs which is the size pharo image can be reduced to is nothing >>>> > for todays TBs hard drives and GBs flash drives and online storage. >>>> > Unless you do an embedded app and 10 mbs are huge for your limited >>>> > storage. >>>> >>>> Or you want to minimize initial startup time, including the time it >>>> takes to transmit the entire system over the net. >>>> >>>> >>>> -C >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Craig Latta >>>> Black Page Digital >>>> Amsterdam :: San Francisco >>>> craig(a)blackpagedigital.com >>>> voice through 2017-09-12: >>>> + 1 510 833 5799 (SMS ok) >>>> +31 20 893 2796 (no SMS) >>>> >>>> >>

Aug. 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Morphic renderer for Pillar?

by Tudor Girba

Hi, As mentioned in an announcement about 10 days ago, we are building a Pillar editor with inline viewing abilities in Bloc. Here is how it looked like. Please note the embedded picture. We continued working on it since then and we will probably announce the next version this weekend: > On Aug 25, 2017, at 11:04 AM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello Stephane > > On 8/24/17, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: > [...] >> >> This is good that there is Section 7 this in the doc. [1] We started to >> build a simple Morphic renderer for Pillar. >> We should continue. If someone wants to have fun. This would be nice >> to have see it coming to live. > > I am interested in this. Where is the code? > > BTW if other people want to do a Pillar renderer for Bloc I have no > problem with that..... > :-; > [...] > > Regards > --Hannes > > > [1] https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/EnterprisePharoBook/lastSuccessf… > -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "We cannot reach the flow of things unless we let go."

Aug. 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Morphic renderer for Pillar?

by H. Hirzel

I assume it is a Pillar-Exporter ... On 8/25/17, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello Stephane > > On 8/24/17, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: > [...] >> >> This is good that there is Section 7 this in the doc. [1] We started to >> build a simple Morphic renderer for Pillar. >> We should continue. If someone wants to have fun. This would be nice >> to have see it coming to live. > > I am interested in this. Where is the code? > > BTW if other people want to do a Pillar renderer for Bloc I have no > problem with that..... > :-; > [...] > > Regards > --Hannes > > > [1] > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/EnterprisePharoBook/lastSuccessf… >

Aug. 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Zn classes documentation in Pharo 6? ZnClient and ZnServer tutorials?

by H. Hirzel

On 8/25/17, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > Hannes, > > Zinc HTTP Components started in 2010 and has been part of Pharo since > version 1.3. Like Pharo it evolves (no longer on a fundamental level, but > certainly on features and details). Over the years lots of documentation has > been written, not all of it is still maintained. > > I would say the Enterprise Pharo book chapters (Web App, Client, Server) are > the best place to start if you are new this subject. Sven, thank you for the confirmation that these are most relevant documentation entry points for Zinc components to use for web programming. Zinc HTTP: The Client Side [1] Zinc HTTP: The Server Side [3] --Hannes > > But for the latest details/features the source code (comments) is the most > up to date reference. Every feature that I add, every bug that I fix has a > unit test to cover it that also serves as a living example. Class usages and > method senders are your friend. I comment all classes and all public > methods. > > Sven > >> On 25 Aug 2017, at 11:28, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hello >> >> Zn classes are included in Pharo 6. I did not find a link to the main >> documentation in the help system. >> >> Is >> http://zn.stfx.eu/zn/index.html >> >> still the main document? >> >> The class comment of ZnClient includes an example. I am looking for >> have some more examples / explanations how to use >> >> ZnClient >> >> ? >> >> Is this the chapter in the EnterprisePharoBook [1] the main >> documentation? >> >> >> As for the ZnServer, is [2] or [3] more relevant? >> >> Summarized: What is the main reference to the documenation of >> >> ZnClient and ZnServer? >> >> Thank you in advance >> >> Hannes >> >> [1] >> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/EnterprisePharoBook/lastSuccessf… >> >> [2] http://zn.stfx.eu/zn/build-and-deploy-1st-webapp/ >> [3] >> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/EnterprisePharoBook/lastSuccessf… >> > > >

Aug. 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Tutorial: Building and deploying your first web app with Pharo (Zinc HTTP Components)

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 25 Aug 2017, at 11:35, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello > > There is a tutorial > Building and deploying your first web app with Pharo > > at > zn.stfx.eu/zn/index.html > > It is for Pharo 2 and 3. > > Does it still work in Pharo 6? Yes, but this document is more recent: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/EnterprisePharoBook/lastSuccessf… ZnImageExampleDelegate is even part of the standard Zn distribution. > Regards > Hannes >

Aug. 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Zn classes documentation in Pharo 6? ZnClient and ZnServer tutorials?

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Hannes, Zinc HTTP Components started in 2010 and has been part of Pharo since version 1.3. Like Pharo it evolves (no longer on a fundamental level, but certainly on features and details). Over the years lots of documentation has been written, not all of it is still maintained. I would say the Enterprise Pharo book chapters (Web App, Client, Server) are the best place to start if you are new this subject. But for the latest details/features the source code (comments) is the most up to date reference. Every feature that I add, every bug that I fix has a unit test to cover it that also serves as a living example. Class usages and method senders are your friend. I comment all classes and all public methods. Sven > On 25 Aug 2017, at 11:28, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello > > Zn classes are included in Pharo 6. I did not find a link to the main > documentation in the help system. > > Is > http://zn.stfx.eu/zn/index.html > > still the main document? > > The class comment of ZnClient includes an example. I am looking for > have some more examples / explanations how to use > > ZnClient > > ? > > Is this the chapter in the EnterprisePharoBook [1] the main documentation? > > > As for the ZnServer, is [2] or [3] more relevant? > > Summarized: What is the main reference to the documenation of > > ZnClient and ZnServer? > > Thank you in advance > > Hannes > > [1] https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/EnterprisePharoBook/lastSuccessf… > > [2] http://zn.stfx.eu/zn/build-and-deploy-1st-webapp/ > [3] https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/EnterprisePharoBook/lastSuccessf… >

Aug. 25, 2017

Tutorial: Building and deploying your first web app with Pharo (Zinc HTTP Components)

by H. Hirzel

Hello There is a tutorial Building and deploying your first web app with Pharo at zn.stfx.eu/zn/index.html It is for Pharo 2 and 3. Does it still work in Pharo 6? Regards Hannes

Aug. 25, 2017

Zn classes documentation in Pharo 6? ZnClient and ZnServer tutorials?

by H. Hirzel

Hello Zn classes are included in Pharo 6. I did not find a link to the main documentation in the help system. Is http://zn.stfx.eu/zn/index.html still the main document? The class comment of ZnClient includes an example. I am looking for have some more examples / explanations how to use ZnClient ? Is this the chapter in the EnterprisePharoBook [1] the main documentation? As for the ZnServer, is [2] or [3] more relevant? Summarized: What is the main reference to the documenation of ZnClient and ZnServer? Thank you in advance Hannes [1] https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/EnterprisePharoBook/lastSuccessf… [2] http://zn.stfx.eu/zn/build-and-deploy-1st-webapp/ [3] https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/EnterprisePharoBook/lastSuccessf…

Aug. 25, 2017