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Re: [Pharo-users] Loading and saving packages to filetree repos

by Luke Gorrie

On 20 August 2017 at 12:50, stephan <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: > I'm afraid you might do newbies a disservice by adding yet another way of > loading and saving combinations of packages. I have been reflecting on this point a bit. I think there are two relevant classes of newbies here. One is people who are learning to be Pharo hackers and joining this community. They need to "get with the program" and learn to do things the same way as everybody else. So they need to learn Smalltalk, Monticello, Metacello, Iceberg, FogBugz, etc. The other is people who are using a Pharo-based application and want to make an extension. For example, imagine a Dr. Geo user who wants to contribute support for a new geometric function that they need for their work. This person needs to take the shortest path to solving their problem: reuse their existing skills (e.g. command-line git) and make use of examples (e.g. copy-paste-tweak some existing code.) I'm concerned about the latter group. I'm building an application that I want users to be able to extend, and I am assuming that most of them are not aspiring Smalltalk hackers (yet.) So I am wondering how to minimize the barriers to entry for people to contribute their first extension. My model is Emacs. Lots of people use Emacs to edit text files. Many of them become power users by copy-paste-tweak from each others' configuration files. Only a few take the next step and learn Lisp e.g. to understand what "lambda" actually means. Everybody manages to participate and share. So, coming back to point, this is why I imagine now is to have a simple "Save all..." item in the World menu that saves all of the relevant-to-this-application packages back into a directory on the local disk (which will be a Git checkout that can be committed, pushed, and Pull Requested.) Then I don't need to force people to learn Metacello, etc, just to become "power users" of the application. Maybe I am still on the wrong track anyway? Maybe others have been down this specific trail before, too?

Aug. 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Morphic renderer for Pillar?

by Alexandre Bergel

Gorgeous! Alexandre Sent from my iPad > On 25-08-2017, at 10:48 a.m., H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Stephane, > > Thank you. > The rendering seems to be very useful as is. > > The screen shot shows what you get if you execute > > PRMorphInterface new openWithSpec. > > > I will read the code in detail. > > --Hannes > <Pharo6_PillarRenderer_for_Morphic_Screenshot_2017-08-25.png>

Aug. 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini

by Tim Mackinnon

I don't think it's just on Mac Mini - my MacBook Pro late 13" 2016 retina will show similar symptoms if I try and resize the window to full screen (not the maximise button, but try and drag the bottom corner of the world to the last 5-10 pixels at the bottom of the screen). I think Ted noticed similar in that it looks frozen but it's actually the screen not redrawing as you can fiddle to get it back (can't recall what I did - maybe drag a window on top?) Tim Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone > On 25 Aug 2017, at 05:55, john pfersich <jpfersich(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I don't know if it matters, but on my Retina 5K, 27 inch, Late 2015 iMac, AMD Radeon R9 M395 wirh 2048 MB running MacOS 10.12.6 I don't have a problem resizing or maximizing Pharo 6.1. > >> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 6:28 AM, Ted F.A.van Gaalen <tedvga(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi, I reverted to 5.0 because Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit hangs on >> my Mac Mini with UDH 4K screen (may that has to do with?) >> with its maiden image (at first start after download >> when: I resize or go to full screen. Maybe VM problem? >> my mac Mini metrics: >> Hardware Overview: >> >> Model Name: Mac mini >> Model Identifier: Macmini6,2 >> Processor Name: Intel Core i7 >> Processor Speed: 2,6 GHz >> Number of Processors: 1 >> Total Number of Cores: 4 >> L2 Cache (per Core): 256 KB >> L3 Cache: 6 MB >> Memory: 4 GB >> Boot ROM Version: MM61.0106.B1F >> SMC Version (system): 2.8f0 >> >> maybe this problem was already reported, but could find it. >> >> >> Kind Regards >> TedvG >

Aug. 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini

by TedVanGaalen

Hi John, â¦ thanks. another wild, wild guess: it could then perhaps be, (if Pharo uses Open GL) that my graphics card has Open GL incompatibility? or that Pharo 6.1 uses Open GL calls not implemented on an Intel HD Graphics 4000 chip as in my mac mini? kind regards TedvG > On 25. Aug 2017, at 06:56, John Pfersich [via Smalltalk] <ml+s1294792n4963988h81(a)n4.nabble.com> wrote: > > I don't know if it matters, but on my Retina 5K, 27 inch, Late 2015 iMac, AMD Radeon R9 M395 wirh 2048 MB running MacOS 10.12.6 I don't have a problem resizing or maximizing Pharo 6.1. > > On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 6:28 AM, Ted F.A.van Gaalen <[hidden email] <x-msg://3/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4963988&i=0>> wrote: > > > > Hi, I reverted to 5.0 because Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit hangs on > my Mac Mini with UDH 4K screen (may that has to do with?) > with its maiden image (at first start after download > when: I resize or go to full screen. Maybe VM problem? > my mac Mini metrics: > Hardware Overview: > > Model Name: Mac mini > Model Identifier: Macmini6,2 > Processor Name: Intel Core i7 > Processor Speed: 2,6 GHz > Number of Processors: 1 > Total Number of Cores: 4 > L2 Cache (per Core): 256 KB > L3 Cache: 6 MB > Memory: 4 GB > Boot ROM Version: MM61.0106.B1F > SMC Version (system): 2.8f0 > > maybe this problem was already reported, but could find it. > > > Kind Regards > TedvG > > > > > > > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: > http://forum.world.st/Pharo-6-0-and-6-1-64-bit-freeze-on-MacMini-tp4957969p… <http://forum.world.st/Pharo-6-0-and-6-1-64-bit-freeze-on-MacMini-tp4957969p…> > To unsubscribe from Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini, click here <http://forum.world.st/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_code&no…>. > NAML <http://forum.world.st/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewer&id=instan…> -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-6-0-and-6-1-64-bit-freeze-on-MacMini-tp4957969p… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Aug. 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini

by TedVanGaalen

Hi Ben, Did the following - restoring Pharo.app/Contents/MacOS/Plugins/libFT2Plugin.dylib (by renaming its extension back to .dylib) - started Pharo -setting use Free type ON -setting Update fonts at start ON it then immediately starts loading fonts, (which I thought might be a good idea because perhaps fonts were not completely loaded in the image, but that didnât make any difference) -saved and quit -fired up Pharo again. didnât help. Same problems occur then: (as you have asked) - started Pharo again -setting use Free type OFF -setting Update fonts at start OFF -saved and quit -fired up Pharo again. didnât help either I have no idea what the cause might be, but if you have other suggestions to test I be glad to help. (if not a thousand attempts :o) in the mean time I use 5 until a next release comes out 7 ? that works ok. kind regards TedvG > On 25. Aug 2017, at 06:07, Ben Coman [via Smalltalk] <ml+s1294792n4963983h26(a)n4.nabble.com> wrote: > > What happens if you untick "Use FreeType" in System > Settings? > > cheers -ben > > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 10:06 PM, TedVanGaalen <[hidden email] <x-msg://1/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4963983&i=0>> wrote: > yes, after full screen -> normal window -> minimise -> reshow it did. > (not in any particular order, tried al those before as well) > > TedvG > > >> On 24. Aug 2017, at 15:46, EstebanLM [via Smalltalk] <[hidden email] <http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4963891&i=0>> wrote: >> >> and image still freezing? >> >> Esteban >> >>> On 24 Aug 2017, at 15:28, TedVanGaalen <<a href="x-msg://3/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4963878&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external" class="">[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Esteban, >>> unfortunately that doesnât make any difference. >>> What I did: >>> extension temporarily renamed to â¦..wasAdylib >>> Started Pharo app by clikcing on it (gets the downloaded maiden image) >>> then: >>> âFT2Error:Freetype2 primitive failed [error -1][canât get error string]â >>> >>> > > > > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: > http://forum.world.st/Pharo-6-0-and-6-1-64-bit-freeze-on-MacMini-tp4957969p… <http://forum.world.st/Pharo-6-0-and-6-1-64-bit-freeze-on-MacMini-tp4957969p…> > To unsubscribe from Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini, click here <http://forum.world.st/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_code&no…>. > NAML <http://forum.world.st/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewer&id=instan…> Screen Shot 2017-08-25 at 15.33.49.png (96K) <http://forum.world.st/attachment/4964080/0/Screen%20Shot%202017-08-25%20at%…> -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-6-0-and-6-1-64-bit-freeze-on-MacMini-tp4957969p… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Aug. 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Morphic renderer for Pillar?

by H. Hirzel

Stephane, Thank you. The rendering seems to be very useful as is. The screen shot shows what you get if you execute PRMorphInterface new openWithSpec. I will read the code in detail. --Hannes

Aug. 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [DesktopManager][Question] How do I jump to a particular desktop?

by H. Hirzel

P.S. I just realized that the 'Spotter' opens a desktop if I search for it. So with some specific naming I can quickly switch desktops this way as well. On 8/25/17, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello > > I have loaded your DesktopManager package into Pharo 6/6.1. It is > useful as always! > > A remark: > > If I open a new desktop the desktop is white and not black (New Pharo > 'dark' theme). I have to choose the theme manually through the > 'Settings' dialog, searching for 'theme' and then reconfirming that I > want the 'dark' theme. > > > A question: > > I Squeak I can jump to a particular 'desktop' (actually 'Project' > there ) with some code [1] in a workspace (playground) like > > (Project named: 'Pillar') enter > > Is there a similar construction with the DesktopManager? > > To jump to another desktop with a code snipped is useful as the number > of Desktops increases. Currently I have 14 and it may increase up to > 50. > > This also helps to create buttons to jump to a particular desktop. > > Thank you for the answer in advance > > Hannes Hirzel > > > [1] http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1013 >

Aug. 25, 2017

[DesktopManager][Question] How do I jump to a particular desktop?

by H. Hirzel

Hello I have loaded your DesktopManager package into Pharo 6/6.1. It is useful as always! A remark: If I open a new desktop the desktop is white and not black (New Pharo 'dark' theme). I have to choose the theme manually through the 'Settings' dialog, searching for 'theme' and then reconfirming that I want the 'dark' theme. A question: I Squeak I can jump to a particular 'desktop' (actually 'Project' there ) with some code [1] in a workspace (playground) like (Project named: 'Pillar') enter Is there a similar construction with the DesktopManager? To jump to another desktop with a code snipped is useful as the number of Desktops increases. Currently I have 14 and it may increase up to 50. This also helps to create buttons to jump to a particular desktop. Thank you for the answer in advance Hannes Hirzel [1] http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1013

Aug. 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Morphic renderer for Pillar?

by Stephane Ducasse

Ideally we should add the pillar element to the associated morphic to manage back link from the renderer to the pillar tree. But this is to be done. On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hannes > > in the repo > Pillar-Renderer-StephaneDucasse.7 > > It was a couple of hours hacking but it shows how to do it. > > Stef > > > > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 1:57 PM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> BTW I am looking for a **renderer** only. Not an editor at the moment. >> >> On 8/25/17, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Thanks, Doru for the update on a Pillar editor with support for the >>> new Bloc framework. >>> It looks fine and I am aware of this effort. >>> >>> But as I wrote in spite of the Bloc efforts I am interested to see >>> what has been done in terms of a Morphic renderer for Pillar. >>> >>> I imagine what has been done so far might be sufficient for my >>> purposes and I can use it right now and not only in Pharo. >>> >>> --Hannes >>> >>> On 8/25/17, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> As mentioned in an announcement about 10 days ago, we are building a >>>> Pillar >>>> editor with inline viewing abilities in Bloc. Here is how it looked like. >>>> Please note the embedded picture. We continued working on it since then >>>> and >>>> we will probably announce the next version this weekend: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Aug 25, 2017, at 11:04 AM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello Stephane >>>>> >>>>> On 8/24/17, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> [...] >>>>>> >>>>>> This is good that there is Section 7 this in the doc. [1] We started to >>>>>> build a simple Morphic renderer for Pillar. >>>>>> We should continue. If someone wants to have fun. This would be nice >>>>>> to have see it coming to live. >>>>> >>>>> I am interested in this. Where is the code? >>>>> >>>>> BTW if other people want to do a Pillar renderer for Bloc I have no >>>>> problem with that..... >>>>> :-; >>>>> [...] >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> --Hannes >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> [1] >>>>> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/EnterprisePharoBook/lastSuccessf… >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>> www.feenk.com >>>> >>>> "We cannot reach the flow of things unless we let go." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>

Aug. 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Morphic renderer for Pillar?

by Stephane Ducasse

Hannes in the repo Pillar-Renderer-StephaneDucasse.7 It was a couple of hours hacking but it shows how to do it. Stef On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 1:57 PM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > BTW I am looking for a **renderer** only. Not an editor at the moment. > > On 8/25/17, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Thanks, Doru for the update on a Pillar editor with support for the >> new Bloc framework. >> It looks fine and I am aware of this effort. >> >> But as I wrote in spite of the Bloc efforts I am interested to see >> what has been done in terms of a Morphic renderer for Pillar. >> >> I imagine what has been done so far might be sufficient for my >> purposes and I can use it right now and not only in Pharo. >> >> --Hannes >> >> On 8/25/17, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> As mentioned in an announcement about 10 days ago, we are building a >>> Pillar >>> editor with inline viewing abilities in Bloc. Here is how it looked like. >>> Please note the embedded picture. We continued working on it since then >>> and >>> we will probably announce the next version this weekend: >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Aug 25, 2017, at 11:04 AM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello Stephane >>>> >>>> On 8/24/17, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> [...] >>>>> >>>>> This is good that there is Section 7 this in the doc. [1] We started to >>>>> build a simple Morphic renderer for Pillar. >>>>> We should continue. If someone wants to have fun. This would be nice >>>>> to have see it coming to live. >>>> >>>> I am interested in this. Where is the code? >>>> >>>> BTW if other people want to do a Pillar renderer for Bloc I have no >>>> problem with that..... >>>> :-; >>>> [...] >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> --Hannes >>>> >>>> >>>> [1] >>>> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/EnterprisePharoBook/lastSuccessf… >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com >>> www.feenk.com >>> >>> "We cannot reach the flow of things unless we let go." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >

Aug. 25, 2017