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Re: [Pharo-users] Spec "bindings"

by Rob Rothwell

On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 7:11 AM, Peter Uhnak <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Rob, > > I'm making a note to look at your proposals and I will discuss it with > Stef later. > Thanks, Peter, I appreciate any insights you can offer. I will continue experimenting, and just wanted to make sure I figured out how to share my ideas during a window of opportunity I had. > > > > he has more and younger braincells than me > > But not enough connections between them. The cells just sit there alone > and are not talking to anyone. :( > I can certainly relate to that! Unfortunately, some of my best thinking is out loud trying to explain something I don't really understand to someone else... Take care, Rob > > Peter > >

Sept. 9, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] STON: Skip Inst Var

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 9 Sep 2017, at 18:00, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > > Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote >> Implement... > > Thanks! I added this to the wiki so we don't lose track of it: > https://github.com/svenvc/ston/wiki/Cookbook Cool, thanks.

Sept. 9, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] STON: Skip Inst Var

by Sean P. DeNigris

Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote > Implement... Thanks! I added this to the wiki so we don't lose track of it: https://github.com/svenvc/ston/wiki/Cookbook ----- Cheers, Sean -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Sept. 9, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Let's prepare for Google Code-In 2017 with Pharo Consortium

by Jigyasa Grover

Thanks Stef for your support. I have already added you in the private repository "GCI-2017-with-Pharo", as we need to keep prospective students away from the task list before the program begins ð Looking forward to more ideas on the task list. Thanks a lot. Best Jigyasa Grover -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Sept. 9, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] STON: Skip Inst Var

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 9 Sep 2017, at 16:11, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > > Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote >> You would have to change the way the offending object get handled. > > Any suggestions on how to do that? Is there a particularly good place to > hook in? Implement FileSystem class>>#stonAllInstVarNames to skip workingDirectory Or implement/customize FileSystem>>#stonOn: and/or #fromSton: But if workingDirectory is an essential part of FileSystem, that would not be a good long term solution. Following migrations like this is never easy/elegant.

Sept. 9, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Standalone HTML Model

by Sean P. DeNigris

Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote > not really a DSL I disagree ;) It looks perfect! ----- Cheers, Sean -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Sept. 9, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] STON: Skip Inst Var

by Sean P. DeNigris

Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote > You would have to change the way the offending object get handled. Any suggestions on how to do that? Is there a particularly good place to hook in? ----- Cheers, Sean -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Sept. 9, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Standalone HTML Model

by Sean P. DeNigris

Hannes Hirzel wrote > the question is of course - is it the HTML only model you are > interested in or is it rather a 'web document model' Thanks for the detailed replies! Yes, you are right. I should've given more info about my use case. I had some HTML that I was using for an email signature for my organization. Every time we have a new officer, I would dig out and hand edit an existing signature in a dumb text file. This worked as far as it goes, but when I wanted to make a change to the design, I'd have to hand edit them all. So, I thought, let's just do it automagically in Pharo! But then I ended up with a weird hybrid approach where: - PRO: I broke the HTML up into smaller logical pieces in Pharo methods - CON: The individual pieces were still just dumb text (e.g. I had to read through a string to pick out which parts belong to which tag/attribute/inner-text) - CON: I lost the ability to deal with the HTML in its own domain (e.g. open it in Dreamweaver and live edit) I reckoned that I should fully commit to one approach. Either have an HTML template file(s) which Pharo manipulates, or break up the HTML fully into a domain representation. So my goal is to have something which outputs HTML suitable for an email signature based on HTML which I already have in text/file form. ----- Cheers, Sean -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Sept. 9, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] #parseMethod:onError: isn't as obvious as expected - is it me?

by Tim Mackinnon

Thanks for the pointer Marcus, I'll have a look - it's a fascinating area that I didn't know much about until now ;) All I wanted was to not have to select specific code to do senders (& refactoring), as well as have better statement selection so I can more easily put brackets around things... But now it dawns on me I'd like better code completion after I've already completed but maybe want the fuller keyword method.... Even the refactoring of local method changes shouldn't need you to save your method to rename a local variable or extract a statement to a variable. And I hate having to declare local variables painfully one by one - and I miss the option to detect a simple typo and correct it. These are all things that I love in IntelliJ - and I think we have fantastic infrastructure to do these things too. So I'll keep plugging away at lunch times to see what I can do. I've rewritten it about 3 times already ;) Tim Sent from my iPhone > On 9 Sep 2017, at 08:42, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > there is #parseFaultyMethod:, too. We use RBParser for syntax highlighting. > > We do already have âsendersâ and âimplementors working in the AST when using Suggestions. > > See SugsMenuBuilder>>#findBestNodeFor: > > in the case of non-accepted code, it uses the compiler chain with #optionParseErrors (which uses parseFaultyMethod: to parse). > > context hasUnacceptedEdits > ifTrue: [ > root := Smalltalk compiler > source: context code; > options: #(+ optionParseErrors); > parse. > context selectedClass ifNotNil: [ :theClass | root methodNode methodClass: theClass ]. > root doSemanticAnalysis ] > > This works well but fails when you actually are in an error node.. for the same code the âdumbâ way we use > with standard âsenders ofâ just takes line, looks for spaces and feeds that word into the âsenders ofâ.. > > So to make this work better we need to combine both approaches and deal better with the Error Node content. > (e.g. trying to fix it and re-parse or just use the dumb âget the work under the cursorâ way as a first step). > > Marcus > >> On 8 Sep 2017, at 03:43, Tim Mackinnon <tim(a)testit.works> wrote: >> >> Damn you smalltalkâ¦ you suck me in to little side problemsâ¦. >> >> RBParser is actually a lot more flexible than I had realised - and not so difficult to understand for a mere mortalâ¦ >> >> It naively seems that (what I still consider a confusingly named method) is quite simple to extend to handle at least medium sized errors just by doing something like: >> >> ast := [RBParser parseMethod: source onError: [ :msg :pos :parser | |seqNode errorNode| >> >> errorNode := RBParseErrorNode >> errorMessage: msg value: parser currentToken value printString at: pos. >> >> seqNode := parser sequenceNodeClass new. >> parser >> step; >> parseStatements: true into: seqNode. >> >> seqNode >> addNodeFirst: errorNode; >> yourself >> >> ]] onDNU: #body: do: [ nil âHandle non method source fragments"]. >> >> >> NOTE: I did have to add >>#currentToken as a method to RBParser as it doesnât expose very much for the onError blocks, which I think it should to make them a bit more useful. >> >> Tim >> >>> On 7 Sep 2017, at 14:39, Tim Mackinnon <tim(a)testit.works> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Thierry - Iâve been noodling in the background and next I hit the question of âcommentsâ - which I found RB does handleâ¦ and then as per your point - how to skip past an error and try further down (which it seems that the scanner might have the info to let me skip simple things). You seem to get sucked in more and more when trying to to this properly - which does make it sound like a very good internship or GSoc project. >>> >>> I think I may have enough to get something polished enough to release to the wider world. I certainly love having better keyboard support when Iâm coding - as we type a lot (even though we have simple syntax) - and having efficient tools takes away the friction. >>> >>> Next on my hit list, it add the same support to the refactoring tools - which while sophisticated are so clunky in use when compared to IntelliJ. >>> >>> Tim >>> >>>> On 7 Sep 2017, at 08:02, Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Tim, >>>> >>>> 2017-09-01 13:39 GMT+02:00 Tim Mackinnon <tim(a)testit.works>: >>>>> Thanks Thierry - this is proving an interesting problem domain ... >>>>> >>>>> I too am using #bestNodeFor: although I don't find it always gives the best node (it does if you are clearly in the target range, but if you are on the outer boundary like the next position after a selector or next to a "." or ";" it favours the parent and not the closest node. So in usage I find I need to tweak it a bit. >>>> >>>> Yes, when you are on a boundary, then finding the right node may be difficult. When developping the ancestor to smart suggestion, I considered #bestNodeFor: as good enough, but I considered looking into "up" and "down" ast navigation at a time, and I wasn't alone (I think it was active in the Pharo editor at a point). >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'll look at smacc though - also there is that experimental setting to allow parse errors, I don't know if it helps in any way. >>>> >>>> There is a general question there, which is how you try to parse as much as possible while jumping over the error, making the error area as small as possible (that would be really great for syntax highlighting, by the way). >>>> >>>> The problem is that in hand-written parsers, you need to hard-code the error management in the parser. With a table-driven parser (as is SmaCC), then you can explore in a systematic way what are the possible states that would allow the parsing to continue correctly after making the error area as small as possible. >>>> >>>> This would make for a very nice internship subject... >>>> >>>>> >>>>> All this said, I think I have a workable suggestion that is not much code that might be open to scrutiny from those wiser than me. >>>>> >>>>> Looking at the keyboard handling in the system - it's quite sprawling and tricky to follow. I think there is lots of room for refactoring. >>>> >>>> It is very easy in Pharo to implement a nice and clean keyboard handling; all the necessary components have been in place for years, and we already have implementations (using the KM API). >>>> >>>> Now, most Pharo developpers just jump into hardcoding keyboard handling instead. >>>> >>>> Thierry >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm also not sure if I like the pragma usage either - I find it quite difficult to follow what's calling what. >>>>> >>>>> Tim >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On 1 Sep 2017, at 09:18, Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Tim, >>>>>> >>>>>> The RB ast has a specific method for finding the right node: in AltBrowser, I use ast bestNodeFor: aTarget selectionInterval. >>>>>> >>>>>> For the second case (parse what is selected), you may want to look into SmaCC: it has specific entry points (used for refactoring) to try all possible starts in a parser for a given piece of text and returning all the possible correct asts. As a hand-writen parser, the RBParser can't do that unless you add the necessary entry points by hand and hack around the error handling, because most of the parse attempts end on an error (as they should). >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thierry >>>>>> >>>>>> 2017-09-01 8:50 GMT+02:00 Tim Mackinnon <tim(a)testit.works>: >>>>>>> Marcus - I'd be interested in how you thought to solve this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My solution seems to work - but it's not the most elegant. Retrying lots of different ways like I show, smacks a bit of desperation (this said, it is quite compact). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Apart from that - I was actually interested in thoughts on the parse method - the onError naming is a bit misleading compared to other methods in the image. I wonder if it should be called something like "onErrorMerge:" to signal that it's going to reuse the results? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stef - with regards to broken source, my proposed solution reuses what is already there - thus if you highlight specific code, it reverts to the original strategy and tries to compile just that code. This bugs me however - so if you highlight nothing, it tries to compile the source multiple ways, I drop down to chopping the source up to where your cursor is - which seems like a decent cheap strategy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't know if our parser is able to recover from simple errors and just have error nodes in the ast, and whether the #bestNodeFor method then ignored error nodes... this is what I think Dolphin used to do. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tim >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > On 31 Aug 2017, at 19:11, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >> On 31 Aug 2017, at 19:07, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 9:50 PM, Tim Mackinnon <tim(a)testit.works> wrote: >>>>>>> >>> Iâm looking for some feedback on the usage of RBParser>>#parseMethod:onError:. >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> I am looking at ways of improving the way we edit code - and making things work (as least for me - but maybe for everyone) a bit more like IntelliJ where they have some great code operations and very good keyboard support. We are certainly close, but at times feel a bit clumsy - which is a shame as we have far better infrastructure to support equivalent features. So I thought I would have a go. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Excellent!!! >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >>> Anyway - step one (which I think Iâve come close on), was to teach senders/implementors to look at the AST so you donât have to highlight exactly what you want to search on - instead it can infer from your cursorâ¦ however my next step was to improve how we can select code to ease refactoring, bracketing etcâ¦ >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Yes but we have to handle broken code then. >>>>>>> >> Did you check how smart suggestions did it for code that compiled? >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > I looked some weeks ago and made some notes what to doâ¦ but I fear this has to wait for next week, >>>>>>> > there is no way that I can do anything till ESUGâ¦ >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Marcus >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >> >

Sept. 9, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Spec "bindings"

by Peter Uhnak

Hi Rob, I'm making a note to look at your proposals and I will discuss it with Stef later. > > he has more and younger braincells than me But not enough connections between them. The cells just sit there alone and are not talking to anyone. :( Peter

Sept. 9, 2017