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Re: [Pharo-users] [Ann] PharoLauncher v1.0.1 released!

by Ben Coman

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Christophe Demarey < christophe.demarey(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Hi Vitor, > > Le 11 oct. 2017 Ã 13:44, Vitor Medina Cruz <vitormcruz(a)gmail.com> a Ã©crit > : > > Hi Christophe, > > Yes, but: > > 1- I canât execute it if I donât have administrative rights > > ok. That the point I missed. > I think I will add a zip file with PharoLauncher for windows for user like > you not having admin rights. > Might this be a "portable" app, where downloaded images and VMs are stored next to the PharoLancher application, configured by a startup-setting file? Alternatively... searching around I found this... https://stackoverflow.com/questions/18990418/nsis-require-admin-permission https://github.com/NSIS-Dev/Documentation/blob/master/Reference/RequestExec… Also, when PharoLauncher is installed by an administrator and later used by a standard user, I guess there may be problems with Pharo needing to write changes to a restricted location?? Maybe that can be dealt with by... when a new user runs PharoLauncher from the start menu, copy it to their user folder $LocalAppdata\Programs\PharoLauncher and run PharoLauncher from there where they have privilege to write? https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31641818/install-application-files-to-s… btw, where are the NSIS source files accessible? Can they be dropped in the PharoLauncher git repo? HTH cheers -ben

Oct. 13, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Behold Pharo: The Modern Smalltalk

by Ben Coman

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:39 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas < offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> wrote: > The more I use Pharo, the less I use web documentation. > That is a familiar path, but still an obstacle for people to get over in trying Pharo - i.e. its a barrier of entry. I've previously referred to this article by JoelOnSoftware, but to pull out a key part... "Think of these barriers as an obstacle course that people have to run before you can count them as your customers. If you start out with a field of 1000 runners, about half of them will trip on the tires; half of the survivors wonât be strong enough to jump the wall; half of those survivors will fall off the rope ladder into the mud, and so on, until only 1 or 2 people actually overcome all the hurdles. With 8 or 9 barriers, everybody will have one non-negotiable deal killer. This calculus means that eliminating barriers to switching is the most important thing you have to do if you want to take over an existing market, because eliminating just one barrier will likely double your sales. Eliminate two barriers, and youâll double your sales again." For example, Stef mentioned that the Pharo web docs were dropped because were't used much. But perhaps their value is not for regular use by the community, but more for outsiders evaluating Pharo, or newcomers transitioning from their old workflow to a Pharo one. In that case their value eliminating one barrier of entry is much greater than measured from the number of page hits. btw, What I like about Richards's articles is that... most of our community's articles are for people already using Pharo, even if only a newcomer of a few days working through an introductory tutorial. Richard's articles target outsiders and one of the side benefits for *me* is that it pulls in critical outside perspectives to remind me of the barriers-of-entry stopping people using Pharo. Take for instance the common angst people have against working in an Image in Smalltalk. There are some legitimate concerns with ending up in a state you can't recreate, which we are addressing this with the bootstrapping projects. But I think we might publicize this better to outsiders. For example... Mr Smith knows nothing about Smalltalk and takes an interest in Pharo. Smith discusses with colleague Jones who presents a poor opinion of the Smalltalk Image approach. So Smith never tries Pharo! Alternatively, if Smith has already read in an FAQ about this common argument and how we address it by our bootstrap process, he can inform Jones', and maybe now we've got two curious newcomers. cheers -ben

Oct. 13, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] FYI about Pharo MOOC

by Ricardo Pacheco

Hello Stephane, I can help with the Spanish subtitles. You can send me a file with the text, if you have it. My french is basic so please send also the English fil, to double check. -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Oct. 12, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Zinc release?

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 12 Oct 2017, at 15:58, Herby VojÄÃk <herby(a)mailbox.sk> wrote: > > There are a few fixes out there for Zinc, not to mention convenience like ZnEntity class >> json:. Don't you consider releasing the new version (as I tried to update it by hand, it is not that easy, it has more components, to load HTTP I had to update Character-Encoding as well, so probably better if bumped as a group)? > > Herby That's what configurations are for, to track the latest development release in a consistent way. You just do ConfigurationOfZincHTTPComponents project bleedingEdge load. Provided you loaded a recent configuration. See the class comment of ConfigurationOfZincHTTPComponents for more info. Sven

Oct. 12, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] "Building-With versus Building-on"

by Andrew Glynn

I know about personalization being a lot of work, particularly with Eclipse. I copied the text out of the âsummaryâ page in About Eclipse into Kate, and it was 1233 lines long, lol. I was one of two team leads on what was probably the most complex application Iâve worked on, using VA Java and VA C++ with CORBA to exchange objects (the need to combine both was due to legacy issues). Siemens now owns the application, which was successful enough to bankrupt its closest competitor, but the binary jars in the latest version are still dated 2002, and every addition has been made via .the WS* API we included, which if I remember correctly, uses version 1.x of WebSphere. Iâm a bit surprised it still runs at all tbh, but its security must be horrible by now. Eclipseâs only saving grace is EMF/CDO, and a few projects built on them, IMHO. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dimitris Chloupis Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 2:05 PM To: Any question about pharo is welcome Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] "Building-With versus Building-on" It's a mentality issue, modern programming languages provide the material necessary to create innovative environments but their communities just simply does not care. A language designer may introduce a feature in a language that is super useful. Still people may not use it.Â And let's face it even with Pharo nothing beats a personalized environment, of course personalisation is a lot of work. Hence why people avoid it.Â Â Essentially boiling down to cooking your own food instead of getting it from a shop. When you begin to learn how to cook , its kinda sucks, but the more you cook the better it tastes. Of course it takes time to get there and hence why so few people cook.Â Eclispe , which I will disagree with your that is not the worst IDE, started as a smalltalk IDE and then it got Eclipsed. I am sure those people had a "build on" environment , still it got messy. We can blame porting to Java, but can we really blame Java for the mess that is called "Eclipse".... ehhhh.... nope.Â I once saw a youtube video about a musician using windows sounds (the standard sounds we all know of) to makeÂ a very nice music piece. He did all that using multiple instances of windows media player. Just pause reading think about this for a minute. That's the real essence of creativity Use something very limited and come up with something amazing. The software industry is not about creativity for the most part. On the other hand I that work with 3d its amazing how fast super cool new technologies pop around like mushrooms. Every year we have massive improvements in libraries and tools. But the coding for 3d graphics is all about creativity , artists are not very forgiving for ugly GUI, limited features and innovation stagnation. Artists want to be inspired by the tools they use. But then that's the creativity realm. Creativity pays the bills in this case, lack of it , game is not fun, rendering or animation is not fun, you can lose millions.Â Of course in the creativity realm , there is too much innovation and unless you keep up you are kicked out the door, yesterday. Which brings down to the problem of complexity and how you deal with it. And I don't mean about bad complexity , aka web dev, I am talking about good complexity. Features you cannot ignore because other will use before you and you are left behind etc.Â On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 7:13 PM Peter Fisk <peter.fisk(a)gmail.com> wrote: Thanks for posting this. It is one of the best descriptions of the state of the software industry that I have seen. On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Andrew Glynn <aglynn42(a)gmail.com> wrote: https://medium.com/@dasein42/building-with-versus-building-on-c51aa3034c71 This is an article not specifically about Pharo, rather on the state of the industry in general and how it got that way, but positing Pharo as a way to learn building-on rather than building-with, where in the latter case on every project you start at essentially the same place. As a result it does put in front of people a fair amount of info on Pharo, and challenges them to try it. cheers Andrew Glynn

Oct. 12, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] "Building-With versus Building-on"

by Stephane Ducasse

Thanks Andrew I read it fast and I will reread it. It is really interesting to me because I never took the time to understand "worse is better". On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Andrew Glynn <aglynn42(a)gmail.com> wrote: > https://medium.com/@dasein42/building-with-versus-building-on-c51aa3034c71 > > > This is an article not specifically about Pharo, rather on the state of the > industry > in general and how it got that way, but positing Pharo as a way to learn > building-on rather than building-with, where in the latter case on > every project you start at essentially the same place. > > > As a result it does put in front of people a fair amount of info on Pharo, > and challenges them to try it. > > > cheers > > Andrew Glynn

Oct. 12, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Behold Pharo: The Modern Smalltalk

by Stephane Ducasse

On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 2:45 PM, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hey, guys, I'm mentioned in this O'Reilly newsletter > <http://post.oreilly.com/form/oreilly/viewhtml/9z1zgj2l150hp80ah3enjvhjhqcnr…> > !!! All because of the Pharo article. > > I wonder, is my campaign /actually/ succeeding? If so, I can die happy. ;-) Great! But do not die yet we have more to do :). Stef

Oct. 12, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Libusb binding + HID support for Pharo

by Stephane Ducasse

Hi Julien I will read the small tutorial for sure. I have many PS3 paddle at home waiting for it. Stef On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Julien <julien.delplanque(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > >> >> >> For example, one could get data from a PS3 controller, a mouse, a >> keyboard, an Arduino device, etcâ¦ > > > And did you use it for these kind of devices? Or anything else? > > > There is an example with an HID mouse on the wiki > https://github.com/tamerescrl/libusb-pharo/wiki/Get-and-parse-HID-reports > > I managed to get data from a PS3 controller but I can not find my code > anymore, I think I lost it. > > It was not that hard to do, I may re-do it one day and write a small > tutorial. > > The only problem with PS3 controller is that the HID descriptor is hidden > (you have to get it from the internet, it is not stored in the device). > > Julien

Oct. 12, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] FYI about Pharo MOOC

by Stephane Ducasse

I'm about to release the en versions. you can find them unofficially on http://www.stephaneducasse.eu/MOOC/ Stef On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 10:10 PM, Gour <gour(a)atmarama.com> wrote: > On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 21:31:55 +0200 > Stephane Ducasse > <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello Stef, > >> I will ask one guy thursday and let you know. > > Thanks a lot! > >> We will release Mooc with english voices (not mine else english >> natives would get an heart attack - I have what they call a sexy >> french accents ;) > > I did watch few of your Pharo-related presentations and, although not native, > happily survived. :-) > > Moreover, I'd say that your English is charming! At least, one is sure that the > real human is speaking and not some "robot" put on auto-pilot, so if the new > Mooc is going to be the same as the current/old one, I'd prefer to download > the current files and watched them along with *.srt subtitles? > > Iow. my point is that the accent is just one part of the talk/teaching, but the > energy behind it is much more imporant - this is, my conviction, based on my > own teaching experiences. > > > Sincerely, > Gour > > -- > From anger, complete delusion arises, and from delusion > bewilderment of memory. When memory is bewildered, > intelligence is lost, and when intelligence is lost > one falls down again into the material pool. > > >

Oct. 12, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] FYI about Pharo MOOC

by Stephane Ducasse

Tx I wish you the best for your phd. On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 11:08 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas <offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> wrote: > I would love to. As soon as I finish my PhD (that has become my > "anguished motto") I will have time for this community endeavors again. > > Cheers, > > Offray > > > On 10/10/17 14:02, Stephane Ducasse wrote: >> Thanks offray. >> I would love to have spanish subtitles. >> We will have japanese subtitles >> >> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas >> <offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> wrote: >>> Probably is a English native speaker. It really amuse me the amount of >>> complain about this. Is something like, please don't show me anything other >>> cultures, even if I just need to turn on captions and read(!), like most of >>> us did to learn English by ourselves. Whenever I have the opportunity, I see >>> movies in their native language and just add subtitles, to lost less in >>> translation. Yes, English is the third most spread language and is good for >>> intercultural communication, because is the most spread *second* language, >>> but sadly, most English native speaker don't even bother about experience >>> the minimum of other language and cultures, beyond the "tourist package" and >>> even hear another language seems too much effort. Fortunately there is a >>> minority of native English speakers that thinks different. >>> >>> Thanks for the voice translation. It improves a course that was already good >>> and totally doable with subtitles. >>> >>> Keep the good work. Cheers, >>> >>> Offray >>> >>> >>> On 10/10/17 08:05, Serge Stinckwich wrote: >>> >>> The MOOC is completely dubbed in English this year, so you don't need >>> subtitles. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 1:07 PM, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Somebody posted this about the Pharo MOOC: >>>> >>>> https://medium.com/@josephshirk/it-would-be-nice-if-it-were-in-english-b07f… >>>> >>>> To which I responded: >>>> >>>> https://medium.com/@richardeng/the-videos-are-like-lecturers-in-university-… >>>> >>>> Some food for thought. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Serge Stinckwich >>> UCN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) >>> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk >>> http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/ >>> >>> >> > >

Oct. 12, 2017