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Re: [Pharo-users] Zinc release?

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Herby, > On 13 Oct 2017, at 14:37, Herby VojÄÃk <herby(a)mailbox.sk> wrote: > > Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: >> >>> On 12 Oct 2017, at 15:58, Herby VojÄÃk<herby(a)mailbox.sk> wrote: >>> >>> There are a few fixes out there for Zinc, not to mention convenience like ZnEntity class>> json:. Don't you consider releasing the new version (as I tried to update it by hand, it is not that easy, it has more components, to load HTTP I had to update Character-Encoding as well, so probably better if bumped as a group)? >>> >>> Herby >> >> That's what configurations are for, to track the latest development release in a consistent way. You just do >> >> ConfigurationOfZincHTTPComponents project bleedingEdge load. >> >> Provided you loaded a recent configuration. > > I'm nort sure I want the bleeding edge loaded, albeit for recent configuration, for the production code (thought not mission criticial about lives or millions of $$$). Also I don't know if configurations are updated after each change out there (it must be done by hand I presume). So I was asking if there isn't a time to release another stable one. > > If not, and I still want not the true bleeding edge, but a "it works for me" snapshot in time, to load specific version of ConfigurationOf... and the issue ... project bleedingEdge load? Will it load only those version that were bleedingEdge at that time? > >> See the class comment of ConfigurationOfZincHTTPComponents for more info. >> >> Sven There are only two branches/versions: the latest development branch (bleedingEdge, 'head', just all the latest versions of all packages) and specific released versions (that get an id that you can refer to). Doing a release is a manual process that comes down to fixing the bleedingEdge at a moment when I feel it is stable enough. There are no versions in between releases that you can refer to. AFAIK this is how most Pharo projects work, it is how I work in all my projects. Sven

Oct. 13, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] FYI about Pharo MOOC

by Stephane Ducasse

In fact the files have two tracks. On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 8:13 PM, Andrew Glynn <aglynn42(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Oh good, glad the French version is still there. I was starting to go > through it a couple of weeks ago and plan to continue starting this > weekend. Although my mother tongue is English, at one point I was > fluently bilingual (both Quebecois and actual French), and it's a > chance to get some of it back while picking up information I've likely > missed > on less obvious features. > > I can understand French well enough, but the more I hear it spoken > the better. Reading/writing don't get rusty as easily. > > Of course speaking it would be even better, but I don't get many > chances to do so in Toronto âº. > > Andrew > > -----Original Message----- > > Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 18:06:17 +0200 > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] FYI about Pharo MOOC > To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> > Reply-to: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo- > users(a)lists.pharo.org> > From: Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> > The production company told us that it was super strange without our > voices. > Now you can also have the french + subtitles. > > On Fri, Oct 13, > 2017 at 2:42 PM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > > I played C019SD- > W1-S1-EN-V1.mp4 > and as well as the english voice, in the > background I > can still hear your > original french voice. > I'm curious the > rea > soning for > this. > > cheers -ben > > > On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 3:59 AM, Stephane Ducasse <step > haro.self(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > I'm about to release the en versions. > you can > find them unofficially on http://www.stephaneducasse.eu/MOOC/ > > Stef > > On > Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 10:10 PM, Gour <gour(a)atmarama.com> wrote: > > On Tue, > 10 Oct 2017 21:31:55 +0200 > Stephane Ducasse > <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hello Stef, > > I will ask one guy thursday and let you know. > > > Thanks a > lot! > > We will release Mooc with english voices (not mine else english > nati > ves would get an heart attack - I have what they call a sexy > french > accents ;) > > > I did watch few of your Pharo-related presentations and, > although not > native, > happily survived. :-) > > Moreover, I'd say that your > English is charming! At least, one is sure > that the > real human is > speaking and not some "robot" put on auto-pilot, so if the > new > Mooc is > going to be the same as the current/old one, I'd prefer to > download > the > current files and watched them along with *.srt subtitles? > > Iow. my point > is that the accent is just one part of the talk/teaching, > but the > energy > behind it is much more imporant - this is, my conviction, based > on my > own > teaching experiences. > > > Sincerely, > Gour > > -- > From anger, complete delusion > arises, and from delusion > bewilderment of memory. When memory is > bewildered, > intelligence is lost, and when intelligence is lost > one falls > down again into the material pool. > > > > > > >

Oct. 13, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] FYI about Pharo MOOC

by Andrew Glynn

Oh good, glad the French version is still there.Â Â I was starting to go through it a couple of weeks ago and plan to continue starting this weekend.Â Â Although my mother tongue is English, at one point I was fluently bilingual (both Quebecois and actual French), and it's a chance to get some of it back while picking up information I've likely missed on less obvious features. I can understand French well enough, but the more I hear it spoken the better.Â Reading/writing don't get rusty as easily. Of course speaking it would be even better, but I don't get many chances to do so in Toronto âº. Andrew -----Original Message----- Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 18:06:17 +0200 Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] FYI about Pharo MOOC To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> Reply-to: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo- users(a)lists.pharo.org> From: Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> The production company told us that it was super strange without our voices. Now you can also have the french + subtitles. On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > I played C019SD-W1-S1-EN-V1.mp4and as well as the english voice, in > the > background Ican still hear youroriginal french voice.I'm curious > therea > soning forthis. > cheers -ben > > On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 3:59 AM, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self@gmai > l.com>wrote: > > I'm about to release the en versions.you canfind them unofficially > > on http://www.stephaneducasse.eu/MOOC/ > > Stef > > OnTue, Oct 10, 2017 at 10:10 PM, Gour <gour(a)atmarama.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, > > > 10 Oct 2017 21:31:55 +0200 > > > Stephane Ducasse > > > <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello Stef, > > > > > > > I will ask one guy thursday and let you know. > > > > > > Thanks a > > > lot! > > > > > > > We will release Mooc with english voices (not mine else english > > > > nati > > > > ves would get an heart attack - I have what they call a sexy > > > > french > > > > accents ;) > > > > > > I did watch few of your Pharo-related presentations and, > > > although not > > > native, > > > happily survived. :-) > > > > > > Moreover, I'd say that your > > > English is charming! At least, one is sure > > > that the > > > real human is > > > speaking and not some "robot" put on auto-pilot, so if the > > > new > > > Mooc is > > > going to be the same as theÂ Â current/old one, I'd prefer to > > > download > > > the > > > current files and watched them along with *.srt subtitles? > > > > > > Iow. my point > > > is that the accent is just one part of the talk/teaching, > > > but the > > > energy > > > behind it is much more imporant - this is, my conviction, based > > > on my > > > own > > > teaching experiences. > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > Gour > > > > > > -- > > > From anger, complete delusion > > > arises, and from delusion > > > bewilderment of memory. When memory is > > > bewildered, > > > intelligence is lost, and when intelligence is lost > > > one falls > > > down again into the material pool. > > > > > > > > >

Oct. 13, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Is possible to keep some code closed in Pharo?

by Ricardo Pacheco

Wow, that sounds great. Thanks a lot!! Ricardo -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Oct. 13, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Behold Pharo: The Modern Smalltalk

by Nicolai Hess

Am 13.10.2017 5:50 PM schrieb "Andrew Glynn" <aglynn42(a)gmail.com>: I can't remember ever using API docs in *any* language, dynamic or not. They give you the method signatures, but if you have, say, methodX(int, int, String), how are you supposed to guess what ints and what String the method actually needs, Isn't this exactly what an apidoc is for? Additional documentation to describe the methods and arguments purpose. Maybe you have just seen poorly documented libraries? One of my favourite language fails can be reproduced by doing this: Declare a field private final in Java, initializing it either in the declaration or the constructor, and provide only a getter. Use the getter from another class and change the value of the local variable. Then use the getter again, but assign the value to a new local variable, and check the value. Maybe you should re-read about javas final keyword. It is not to meant making something immutable , you can just not reassign a new value. Java final != c++ const

Oct. 13, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Problem with input to XML Parser - 'Invalid UTF8 encoding'

by Stephane Ducasse

Tx On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 7:29 AM, monty <monty2(a)programmer.net> wrote: > I know what the problem is and will have it fixed shortly. Thanks for the report. > >> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 at 9:03 AM >> From: "Peter Kenny" <peter(a)pbkresearch.co.uk> >> To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Problem with input to XML Parser - 'Invalid UTF8 encoding' >> >> Correction - I am misrepresenting Sven. What he said was that Zinc would not >> look inside the HTML <head> node to find out about coding. It would of >> course use information in the HTTP headers, if any. >> >> >> Peter Kenny wrote >> > Henry >> > >> > Thanks for the explanations. It's a bit clearer now. I'm still not sure >> > about how ZnUrl>>retrieveContents manages to decode correctly in this >> > case; >> > I'm sure I recall Sven saying it didn't (and in his view shouldn't) look >> > at >> > the HTTP declarations in the header. There is also the mystery of how the >> > string reader in the XML-Parser package (XMLURI>>get) does the same trick, >> > when it is presumably what XMLHTMLParser>>parseURL: uses and fails. >> > >> > However, all these are second order problems. It all begins because the >> > Corriere web site does strange things with encoding, including using a >> > UTF8 >> > character in a page coded with 8859-1, as Paul pointed out. In any case, >> > reading the page as a string and then parsing it solves my problem, so I >> > shall stick to that as a standard procedure. Most importantly, I don't >> > think >> > there is any indication of a problem in the XML package for Monty to worry >> > about. >> > >> > Thanks again >> > >> > Peter >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >> >> >

Oct. 13, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Pillar (was Re: Behold Pharo: The Modern Smalltalk)

by Stephane Ducasse

epub already works. Now it should be improved. Doing an pandoc exporter should not be that difficult. If you do it I will integrate it. On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Gour <gour(a)atmarama.com> wrote: > On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:18:54 +0000 > Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Well there is a move towards Pillar for class and method commands so >> who knows maybe we will have that soon enough ;) > > Let me say that I'm very happy seeing that Pillar is moving forward (e.g. > addition of support for footnotes) as well as plan for the future (*.epub > support) since I'm considering whether it could serve as single-source markup > for all of one's writings? > > After migrating from Python-powered static-site-generator (to Hugo) and rst > markup I was considering to use AsciiDoc(tor) markup for all my content, but, > so far, due to using Emacsm settled to use org-mode instead. Haven't tried with > slides (yet), but there is Pandoc support for it. > > Therefore, I'd rather see Pillar support in Pandoc which would buy us even more > import/export capabilities for free instead of focusing on single formats like > *.odt, *.epub etc. > > Pillar with 1st class support in Pandoc would, imho, improve status of Pharo > itself making it along with Pillar exceelent tool for development as well as > for all writing needs - articles, books, documentation, slide-presentations. > > But it would be nice to make it more transparent where/how can one submit > feature request for Pillar? > > Fogbugs issue trakcer is certainly not the ideal place these days... > > > Sincerely, > Gour > > -- > Everyone is forced to act helplessly according to the qualities > he has acquired from the modes of material nature; therefore no > one can refrain from doing something, not even for a moment. > > >

Oct. 13, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] FYI about Pharo MOOC

by Stephane Ducasse

The production company told us that it was super strange without our voices. Now you can also have the french + subtitles. On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > I played C019SD-W1-S1-EN-V1.mp4 > and as well as the english voice, in the background I can still hear your > original french voice. > I'm curious the reasoning for this. > > cheers -ben > > > On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 3:59 AM, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> I'm about to release the en versions. >> you can find them unofficially on http://www.stephaneducasse.eu/MOOC/ >> >> Stef >> >> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 10:10 PM, Gour <gour(a)atmarama.com> wrote: >> > On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 21:31:55 +0200 >> > Stephane Ducasse >> > <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > Hello Stef, >> > >> >> I will ask one guy thursday and let you know. >> > >> > Thanks a lot! >> > >> >> We will release Mooc with english voices (not mine else english >> >> natives would get an heart attack - I have what they call a sexy >> >> french accents ;) >> > >> > I did watch few of your Pharo-related presentations and, although not >> > native, >> > happily survived. :-) >> > >> > Moreover, I'd say that your English is charming! At least, one is sure >> > that the >> > real human is speaking and not some "robot" put on auto-pilot, so if the >> > new >> > Mooc is going to be the same as the current/old one, I'd prefer to >> > download >> > the current files and watched them along with *.srt subtitles? >> > >> > Iow. my point is that the accent is just one part of the talk/teaching, >> > but the >> > energy behind it is much more imporant - this is, my conviction, based >> > on my >> > own teaching experiences. >> > >> > >> > Sincerely, >> > Gour >> > >> > -- >> > From anger, complete delusion arises, and from delusion >> > bewilderment of memory. When memory is bewildered, >> > intelligence is lost, and when intelligence is lost >> > one falls down again into the material pool. >> > >> > >> > >> >

Oct. 13, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] FYI about Pharo MOOC

by Stephane Ducasse

Superb! On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 5:03 PM, Ricardo Pacheco <ricardo.pacheco.roldan(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Great, I will have a look at them. I registered to participate in the MOOC > starting on Oct 16, so look forward to contribute back a bit. > > Ricardo > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >

Oct. 13, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Is possible to keep some code closed in Pharo?

by Stephane Ducasse

Hi ricardo - You can ship pharo without sources. In fact the sources are not used during execution (just for the human). - You can ship pharo without debugger. This is one line of code. - Soon we expect to be able to remove the compiler and the decompiler :). - You can also control that the commandline does not allow code execution Now this is not user friendly. We wan with esteban to provide a way to deploy applications (by opposition of code). So I can tell you that we want to have a process and tooling to help for that. I you need help to get you started with Pharo let us know. stef On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 5:42 PM, Ricardo Pacheco <ricardo.pacheco.roldan(a)gmail.com> wrote: > IMHO, one important aspect to deliver comercial solutions for customers in an > environment like Pharo is to be able to protect certain code or algorithms > developed by the company. It possible to have some clases compiled and > closed to the eyes of customers? Or it is posible to have some kind of > access control to edit clases? > > A bit of context for my question. > In the company I work for in Mexico we have been using a similar live coding > environment for 30 years with great results. The environment we used until a > couple of years ago is named G2 by Gensym; lisp based internally, with is > own natural language like syntax for developers, with a very powerful > backward ans forwards chaining rule engine, an excellent toolkit to create > visual components and a wonderful VNC like and lightwaight > client(Telewindows) that makes visual interactions with a remote G2 very > easy with a very small bandwidth use. Until a couple of years ago, we > developed on it tailor made supply chain solutions and mathematical models; > since then we moved to Java and .NET. > We wish we could stay with live coding, but the draw back with that platform > we used is that is really expensive for customers and the company has been > changing hands to more lawyer oriented owners, because of its installed > based license fees and IP portfolio. So, getting to know Pharo makes me very > enthusiastic about the possibility to move back to live coding. > > Thanks for the response. > > Ricardo > > > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >

Oct. 13, 2017