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Re: [Pharo-users] Behold Pharo: The Modern Smalltalk

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

May be the class name could be changed a little bit to allow more flexibility using the Pharo Quick Start as a base. Something like "Greeter" and "Greeter new say: 'Hello world!'" or "Greeter new sayIt" could be implemented from there. Nice to see more and more documentation around Pharo, including this one. That being said, I have always felt that hello world is kind of a strange introduction to programming: http://mutabit.com/offray/blog/en/entry/dumb-hello-world Cheers, Offray On 07/12/17 15:31, horrido wrote: > I've revised the draft slightly for the comments given here: > https://medium.com/@richardeng/pharo-quick-start-5bab70944ce2 > > Yes, it's a definite improvement. Thanks. > > > > Richard Sargent wrote >> Excellent work, Richard! >> >> May I offer the small criticism against using #initialize for the method >> name? I think a name like #sayIt (for example) and invocation like "Hello >> new sayIt" would make it explicit. >> >> This will be a great help for people who drop by out of curiosity. >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 11:38 AM, horrido < >> horrido.hobbies@ >> > wrote: >> >>> I've completed the first draft of my Pharo Quick Start guide >>> <https://medium.com/@richardeng/pharo-quick-start-5bab70944ce2> . >>> I >>> decided >>> to forge ahead anyway. >>> >>> Feedback welcome. >>> >>> Note that I chose wget instead of curl because many Linux distros do not >>> have curl installed. >>> >>> I've tested the guide for various Linux distros including Mint 18.3 >>> (Ubuntu-based), Debian 9.2.1, Manjaro 17.0.6 (Arch-based), Solus 3, and >>> Fedora 27. So it should be good for all the popular distros (Top 10). >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >>> >>> > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html > >

Dec. 7, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Behold Pharo: The Modern Smalltalk

by horrido

I've revised the draft slightly for the comments given here: https://medium.com/@richardeng/pharo-quick-start-5bab70944ce2 Yes, it's a definite improvement. Thanks. Richard Sargent wrote > Excellent work, Richard! > > May I offer the small criticism against using #initialize for the method > name? I think a name like #sayIt (for example) and invocation like "Hello > new sayIt" would make it explicit. > > This will be a great help for people who drop by out of curiosity. > > > On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 11:38 AM, horrido < > horrido.hobbies@ > > wrote: > >> I've completed the first draft of my Pharo Quick Start guide >> <https://medium.com/@richardeng/pharo-quick-start-5bab70944ce2> . >> I >> decided >> to forge ahead anyway. >> >> Feedback welcome. >> >> Note that I chose wget instead of curl because many Linux distros do not >> have curl installed. >> >> I've tested the guide for various Linux distros including Mint 18.3 >> (Ubuntu-based), Debian 9.2.1, Manjaro 17.0.6 (Arch-based), Solus 3, and >> Fedora 27. So it should be good for all the popular distros (Top 10). >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >> >> -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Dec. 7, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Commander feedback

by Stephane Ducasse

Thanks a lot Juraj. This is great to have a client :) and we will work on the new version of the documentation. Stef On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 9:05 PM, Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka(a)icloud.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I like the idea of the Commander library > https://github.com/dionisiydk/Commander > I am trying to understand how to use it, but I struggle to understand it as > documentation includes quiete complex examples: > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/Books/job/PharoBookWorkInProgre… > > I believe that it would be useful to have a tutorial that shows: > > 1. create a command CmdOne including methods, > 2. create a activator ActOne including methods, > 3. create a context CtxOne including methods, > 4. execute <I do not know what> and you obtain a collection with one item > (CmdOne instance?) > 5. create command CmdTwo with some methods > 6. execute <I do not know what> and you obtain a collection with two items > > Then next section could describe how to make a UI on top of this. > > Learning it by exploring Calypso is too complex, because it involves more > objects and I actually do not see how to do the previous steps. > > I will be happy to help with the documentation. > My question is: How can I proceed the mentioned steps? > > Thanks, > Juraj

Dec. 7, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Behold Pharo: The Modern Smalltalk

by Richard Sargent

Excellent work, Richard! May I offer the small criticism against using #initialize for the method name? I think a name like #sayIt (for example) and invocation like "Hello new sayIt" would make it explicit. This will be a great help for people who drop by out of curiosity. On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 11:38 AM, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I've completed the first draft of my Pharo Quick Start guide > <https://medium.com/@richardeng/pharo-quick-start-5bab70944ce2> . I > decided > to forge ahead anyway. > > Feedback welcome. > > Note that I chose wget instead of curl because many Linux distros do not > have curl installed. > > I've tested the guide for various Linux distros including Mint 18.3 > (Ubuntu-based), Debian 9.2.1, Manjaro 17.0.6 (Arch-based), Solus 3, and > Fedora 27. So it should be good for all the popular distros (Top 10). > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html > >

Dec. 7, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Fwd: Installing pharo6.1-64

by Stephane Ducasse

Thanks for the feedback and we should add a readme! On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 2:08 AM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > [fwd to list] > Thanks for having a go at fixing your font. Unfortunately it didn't > work (or maybe something wrong at my end) > I'll follow up with you off-list. > > cheer -ben > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: T.D. Telford <doug(a)dougtelford.com> > Date: 7 December 2017 at 06:58 > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Installing pharo6.1-64 > To: Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> > > > Hello Ben, > > I downloaded from: > > https://pharo.org/gnu-linux-installation-64 > > I have never received any comments about the font size before. I set > it to small from medium (yahoo mail), so hopefully that helps. > Regards, > Doug > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> > To: T.D. Telford <doug(a)dougtelford.com>; Any question about pharo is > welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> > Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 3:12 PM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Installing pharo6.1-64 > > hi T.D., > > There are a couple of sources to download Pharo. > Could you provide the link that you used? > > cheers -ben > > > P.S. If possible could you reduce the size of your font, or post using text. > The size of your font is a bit jarring. :) > > On 7 December 2017 at 04:33, T.D. Telford <doug(a)dougtelford.com> wrote: > > There are no installation instructions in the README. If you execute > ./pharo at the top level: > > pharo6.1-64/vm/pharo: No such file or directory > > In directory tmp if you add > > ln -s ../shared/Pharo6.1-64.image Pharo.image > > and execute ./pharo in tmp, then it works. >

Dec. 7, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Behold Pharo: The Modern Smalltalk

by Stephane Ducasse

Once the pharo quick start guide is ready we will add it to the documentation. On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 8:45 PM, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I read it and it is good and to the point. > I was thinking if we could have a class named something else than Hello > May be Repeater new say: 'Hello' ? > > > Stef > > On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 8:43 PM, Stephane Ducasse > <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Thanks Richard. I like when you are doing :) >> >> On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 8:38 PM, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> I've completed the first draft of my Pharo Quick Start guide >>> <https://medium.com/@richardeng/pharo-quick-start-5bab70944ce2> . I decided >>> to forge ahead anyway. >>> >>> Feedback welcome. >>> >>> Note that I chose wget instead of curl because many Linux distros do not >>> have curl installed. >>> >>> I've tested the guide for various Linux distros including Mint 18.3 >>> (Ubuntu-based), Debian 9.2.1, Manjaro 17.0.6 (Arch-based), Solus 3, and >>> Fedora 27. So it should be good for all the popular distros (Top 10). >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >>>

Dec. 7, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Behold Pharo: The Modern Smalltalk

by Stephane Ducasse

I read it and it is good and to the point. I was thinking if we could have a class named something else than Hello May be Repeater new say: 'Hello' ? Stef On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 8:43 PM, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks Richard. I like when you are doing :) > > On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 8:38 PM, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> I've completed the first draft of my Pharo Quick Start guide >> <https://medium.com/@richardeng/pharo-quick-start-5bab70944ce2> . I decided >> to forge ahead anyway. >> >> Feedback welcome. >> >> Note that I chose wget instead of curl because many Linux distros do not >> have curl installed. >> >> I've tested the guide for various Linux distros including Mint 18.3 >> (Ubuntu-based), Debian 9.2.1, Manjaro 17.0.6 (Arch-based), Solus 3, and >> Fedora 27. So it should be good for all the popular distros (Top 10). >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >>

Dec. 7, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Behold Pharo: The Modern Smalltalk

by Stephane Ducasse

Thanks Richard. I like when you are doing :) On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 8:38 PM, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I've completed the first draft of my Pharo Quick Start guide > <https://medium.com/@richardeng/pharo-quick-start-5bab70944ce2> . I decided > to forge ahead anyway. > > Feedback welcome. > > Note that I chose wget instead of curl because many Linux distros do not > have curl installed. > > I've tested the guide for various Linux distros including Mint 18.3 > (Ubuntu-based), Debian 9.2.1, Manjaro 17.0.6 (Arch-based), Solus 3, and > Fedora 27. So it should be good for all the popular distros (Top 10). > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >

Dec. 7, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] reloading ffi library

by Stephane Ducasse

Thanks Ben. I have a question. Would it make sense to have a setting to reset on each session the registry? What you should know is that Guille is actively improving (refactoring, rethinking the API of iceberg) to produce a better UI then. We are really concerned how we can get the same confort than we got before. We do not send all the exchanges we have on the topics Stef On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 5:52 PM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > On 8 December 2017 at 00:43, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 7 Dec 2017, at 16:04, Steven Costiou <steven.costiou(a)kloum.io> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> noob question: i installed bloc and tried to run examples. >>> >>> It worked well on Fedora 27 but not on latest Debian 64 bits because the path of libcairo.so.2 was wrong. >>> >>> So i fixed it in the code, but when trying the bloc examples again the lib path is still wrong (in the debugger). >>> >>> >>> >>> Is there a way to reload the cairo lib or to reset it, so that the path would be right and it would find the lib ? >> >> I've also been frustrated by this, particularly as a supa-fresh-FFI-noob before I understood what was happening. >> I've found it a minor annoyance but sufficient to to close and reopen an image to reset things, >> but being able to do it live in-Image is really nice. >> >> On 7 December 2017 at 23:41, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> you need to reset FFI: >>> >>> FFIMethodRegistry resetAll. >> >> >> That is really nice to know, but by the time I need it I will probably have forgotten it, >> and closing/reopening the Image will be faster than searching forum.world.st or asking again the mail list. >> Could we possibly have World > Tools > Reset FFI ? >> >> cheers -ben > > Added https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20835/Add-World-Tools-Reset-FFI > I should have a go at doing it, but I'm not sure which class is > preferred to hang the menu pragma on, > and also I'm still lagging for contributing to Pharo 7 (not really any > technical issue now, but lack of time to practice the workflow) > > cheers -ben >

Dec. 7, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Behold Pharo: The Modern Smalltalk

by horrido

I've completed the first draft of my Pharo Quick Start guide <https://medium.com/@richardeng/pharo-quick-start-5bab70944ce2> . I decided to forge ahead anyway. Feedback welcome. Note that I chose wget instead of curl because many Linux distros do not have curl installed. I've tested the guide for various Linux distros including Mint 18.3 (Ubuntu-based), Debian 9.2.1, Manjaro 17.0.6 (Arch-based), Solus 3, and Fedora 27. So it should be good for all the popular distros (Top 10). -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Dec. 7, 2017