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Re: [Pharo-users] unsolicited package-cache use

by Hilaire

Indeed it is scary... but it's still non sense. Le 18/01/2018 Ã 12:08, Tudor Girba a Ã©critÂ : > Should we not block this account? It looks generated â¦ although it is quite scary how not easy it is to not figure this out. -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

Jan. 18, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] unsolicited package-cache use

by Tudor Girba

Should we not block this account? It looks generated â¦ although it is quite scary how not easy it is to not figure this out. Cheers, Doru > On Jan 18, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Kjell Godo <squeaklist(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > itâs those weight limits on the luggage they spook you > they spooked me they spooked us > but they are not really limits you just have to pay more > but you donât actually find that out until you get there > or if you want to spend an hour on the phone asking about it > well probably only 20 minutes actually > but you have to know that you can ask this question > that it is a valid question to ask > which apparently we did not > so i left something behind Wonât do that again > > On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 02:45 Kjell Godo <squeaklist(a)gmail.com> wrote: > i want it Iâm going to get it if i can click download on it > i donât care about 43MB > > is there an image stripper? ( Dolphin has an image stripper you can modify. > after stripping the .exe file was about 6MB ) > > if this is 43MB of just DrGeo then i think itâs fine > i donât know what anybody else thinks and i donât know much but > it takes a few minutes to download > at 1.5Mbits / second > not really noticeable > it has to be above 100MB at that speed to be noticeable > in my opinion > > so can i do differential geometry in DrGeo? > like general relativity? that would be cool. > can it do Tensors? i have this > book : einstein gravity in a nutshell > and i have always wanted a numerical graphical way to go through > these equations in there > i guess there is that numerical package i got, is there a tensor package? > i tried to write a tensor thing once > i tried to boil it down to the minimum number of lines of > KEGGenerator code and that was like 10 or less > to do a tensor multiply > but i never tested it yet Test first! > > so i want to get DrGeo now and i donât care about 43MB > now or soon itâs not really possible right now > usually it would be but i am out of my usual country > > > On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 00:33 Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> wrote: > Le 18/01/2018 Ã 05:30, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand a Ã©crit : > > Which Pharo version? > P7 > > Have you found any solution to this? > > I find a workaround. My bash script to build DrGeo image just remove > the content of the package-cache directory. > > In Gofer there was #disablePackageCache, in Metacello I don't know, > > maybe experimenting with MetacelloLoaderPolicy but there are no class > > comments. > > I am now done with this problem, and I will not get back to it right now. > Thanks to ask and the suggestion, it could be useful to other. > > I have other serious concern as the resulting size of the DrGeo image > built against P7, 43MB. I feel ashame to make any public DrGeo release > with such an important image size. > > Hilaire > > > > > -- > Dr. Geo > http://drgeo.eu > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "Speaking louder won't make the point worthier."

Jan. 18, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] unsolicited package-cache use

by Kjell Godo

itâs those weight limits on the luggage they spook you they spooked me they spooked us but they are not really limits you just have to pay more but you donât actually find that out until you get there or if you want to spend an hour on the phone asking about it well probably only 20 minutes actually but you have to know that you can ask this question that it is a valid question to ask which apparently we did not so i left something behind Wonât do that again On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 02:45 Kjell Godo <squeaklist(a)gmail.com> wrote: > i want it Iâm going to get it if i can click download on it > i donât care about 43MB > > is there an image stripper? ( Dolphin has an image stripper you can modify. > after stripping the .exe file was about 6MB ) > > if this is 43MB of just DrGeo then i think itâs fine > i donât know what anybody else thinks and i donât know much but > it takes a few minutes to download > at 1.5Mbits / second > not really noticeable > it has to be above 100MB at that speed to be noticeable > in my opinion > > so can i do differential geometry in DrGeo? > like general relativity? that would be cool. > can it do Tensors? i have this > book : einstein gravity in a nutshell > and i have always wanted a numerical graphical way to go through > these equations in there > i guess there is that numerical package i got, is there a tensor > package? > i tried to write a tensor thing once > i tried to boil it down to the minimum number of lines of > KEGGenerator code and that was like 10 or less > to do a tensor multiply > but i never tested it yet Test first! > > so i want to get DrGeo now and i donât care about 43MB > now or soon itâs not really possible right now > usually it would be but i am out of my usual country > > > On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 00:33 Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> wrote: > >> Le 18/01/2018 Ã 05:30, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand a Ã©crit : >> > Which Pharo version? >> P7 >> > Have you found any solution to this? >> >> I find a workaround. My bash script to build DrGeo image just remove >> the content of the package-cache directory. >> > In Gofer there was #disablePackageCache, in Metacello I don't know, >> > maybe experimenting with MetacelloLoaderPolicy but there are no class >> > comments. >> >> I am now done with this problem, and I will not get back to it right now. >> Thanks to ask and the suggestion, it could be useful to other. >> >> I have other serious concern as the resulting size of the DrGeo image >> built against P7, 43MB. I feel ashame to make any public DrGeo release >> with such an important image size. >> >> Hilaire >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Geo >> http://drgeo.eu >> >> >> >>

Jan. 18, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] unsolicited package-cache use

by Kjell Godo

i want it Iâm going to get it if i can click download on it i donât care about 43MB is there an image stripper? ( Dolphin has an image stripper you can modify. after stripping the .exe file was about 6MB ) if this is 43MB of just DrGeo then i think itâs fine i donât know what anybody else thinks and i donât know much but it takes a few minutes to download at 1.5Mbits / second not really noticeable it has to be above 100MB at that speed to be noticeable in my opinion so can i do differential geometry in DrGeo? like general relativity? that would be cool. can it do Tensors? i have this book : einstein gravity in a nutshell and i have always wanted a numerical graphical way to go through these equations in there i guess there is that numerical package i got, is there a tensor package? i tried to write a tensor thing once i tried to boil it down to the minimum number of lines of KEGGenerator code and that was like 10 or less to do a tensor multiply but i never tested it yet Test first! so i want to get DrGeo now and i donât care about 43MB now or soon itâs not really possible right now usually it would be but i am out of my usual country On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 00:33 Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> wrote: > Le 18/01/2018 Ã 05:30, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand a Ã©crit : > > Which Pharo version? > P7 > > Have you found any solution to this? > > I find a workaround. My bash script to build DrGeo image just remove > the content of the package-cache directory. > > In Gofer there was #disablePackageCache, in Metacello I don't know, > > maybe experimenting with MetacelloLoaderPolicy but there are no class > > comments. > > I am now done with this problem, and I will not get back to it right now. > Thanks to ask and the suggestion, it could be useful to other. > > I have other serious concern as the resulting size of the DrGeo image > built against P7, 43MB. I feel ashame to make any public DrGeo release > with such an important image size. > > Hilaire > > > > > -- > Dr. Geo > http://drgeo.eu > > > >

Jan. 18, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] How can I outsource instance data ?

by Nicolai Hess

2018-01-18 0:24 GMT+01:00 Photon <nico-braun(a)live.de>: > Hello, > > I am messing around with an ordered collection of a class wich contains a > matrix. As it the size grew I started to wonder if my code was something > one > should not do or if one would maybe outsource some data. > I don`t know if it`s just in the RAM if iI start the VM. In that case i > would overkill it at some point or not? > > So i thought of storing the data on harddrive to be able to recall it later > when I need to but get it out of the running VM for the moment. > Maybe you can enlighten me regarding this. > > In this picture you can see that my data is basicly stored inside of a > inspector at the moment. So it would be cool to store the whole thing on > harddrive. > > <http://forum.world.st/file/t371759/inspector.png> > I am not sure, but it looks like you are using Morphs for every Cell and every Cell in the generations collections. These would be many (unnecessary) Morph objects. Maybe it would be better to only store the cells (or cell states) and use only one grid of Morphs to show the current generation. > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html > >

Jan. 18, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Updating Consultants Listing

by Marcus Denker

This is the next step. The association database has an API and we can auto-generate the list. I wanted to not enforce membership manualy before this this is implemented. It is important to bound it to something so it does not end up like the âcompanies using Smalltalkâ lis of ESUG, where entries are added but old ones *never* removedâ¦ as when you stop using something you tend to not ask to be removed. I am sure some of the entries of the consultants list are stale already. With binding it to the association, people that leave the community will stop membership and thus the list will be up to date automatically. And it is one the things that make sense to offer as part of a membership. Marcus > On 18 Jan 2018, at 09:20, Serge Stinckwich <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Consultants listed on this board are not gold association member like said here ? > https://association.pharo.org/Benefits <https://association.pharo.org/Benefits> > > On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 5:27 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr <mailto:marcus.denker@inria.fr>> wrote: > Hi, > > We have http://consultants.pharo.org <http://consultants.pharo.org/> > > I want to change it to > - not be a forward to files.pharo.org <http://files.pharo.org/> > - be auto-generated from the https://association.pharo.org <https://association.pharo.org/> > > > But we should update it already before that is finished. So: > > If you want to be listed, please send your infos in the form: > > PharoConsultant { > #name : Your name', > #email : your(a)email.com <mailto:your@email.com>', > #website : 'http://your-website.com <http://your-website.com/>', > #id : 'yourname (currently not used for anything)', > #location : 'City, Country of your business', > #languages : 'what languages do you speak', > #industryExperienceSince : 1994, > #pharoExperienceSince : 2008, > #areasOfExpertise : 'what are your areas of expertise. E.g. business apllications, user interface, legacy, ...', > #smalltalkExperienceSince : 2002 > } > > (or open a pull request at: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-project-consultants/ <https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-project-consultants/>) > > Marcus > > > > -- > Serge Stinckwich > UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC/UY1) > "Programs must be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute." > http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/ <http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/>

Jan. 18, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Working directory

by Alistair Grant

Hi Hilaire & Denis, On 18 January 2018 at 09:38, Denis Kudriashov <dionisiydk(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Also notice that OS can give program very surprising working directory when > you run it using UI tools. > For example in MacOS drag image to the vm using Finder assigns root (/) as > working directory. > > > 2017-12-15 21:38 GMT+01:00 Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu>: >> >> Oh, in a build for a DrGeo app based on P7, the working directory is one >> level highter to the image folder. >> >> So in P7, there are two different results for the working directory: the >> user home directory, and one level hight to image dir. >> >> What's the context? Where to look at? For Pharo 7: The working directory is C getcwd(). The differences you are seeing will be the result of how Pharo is launched. If you run it from the command line, it will be the current directory of the shell. I don't use MacOS, but it sounds like dragging a file to an executable always uses the root directory as cwd. The working directory is cached in DiskStore DefaultWorkingDirectory. It's set at session startup to DiskStore class>>defaultWorkingDirectory, which ultimately calls getcwd(). HTH, Alistair

Jan. 18, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Working directory

by Denis Kudriashov

Also notice that OS can give program very surprising working directory when you run it using UI tools. For example in MacOS drag image to the vm using Finder assigns root (/) as working directory. 2017-12-15 21:38 GMT+01:00 Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu>: > Oh, in a build for a DrGeo app based on P7, the working directory is one > level highter to the image folder. > > So in P7, there are two different results for the working directory: the > user home directory, and one level hight to image dir. > > What's the context? Where to look at? > > > -- > Dr. Geo > http://drgeo.eu > >

Jan. 18, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] unsolicited package-cache use

by Hilaire

Le 18/01/2018 Ã 05:30, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand a Ã©critÂ : > Which Pharo version? P7 > Have you found any solution to this? I find a workaround.Â My bash script to build DrGeo image just remove the content of the package-cache directory. > In Gofer there was #disablePackageCache, in Metacello I don't know, > maybe experimenting with MetacelloLoaderPolicy but there are no class > comments. I am now done with this problem, and I will not get back to it right now. Thanks to ask and the suggestion, it could be useful to other. I have other serious concern as the resulting size of the DrGeo image built against P7, 43MB. I feel ashame to make any public DrGeo release with such an important image size. Hilaire -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

Jan. 18, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Updating Consultants Listing

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 18 Jan 2018, at 09:20, Serge Stinckwich <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Consultants listed on this board are not gold association member like said here ? > https://association.pharo.org/Benefits We've never been strict on this, but yes, the idea is that anyone who wants to be listed as 'Pharo Consultant' should either be an Association Gold member or a Consortium member. I think that is the least we can ask for. After all, this is publicity for a commercial activity. > On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 5:27 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Hi, > > We have http://consultants.pharo.org > > I want to change it to > - not be a forward to files.pharo.org > - be auto-generated from the https://association.pharo.org > > > But we should update it already before that is finished. So: > > If you want to be listed, please send your infos in the form: > > PharoConsultant { > #name : Your name', > #email : your(a)email.com', > #website : 'http://your-website.com', > #id : 'yourname (currently not used for anything)', > #location : 'City, Country of your business', > #languages : 'what languages do you speak', > #industryExperienceSince : 1994, > #pharoExperienceSince : 2008, > #areasOfExpertise : 'what are your areas of expertise. E.g. business apllications, user interface, legacy, ...', > #smalltalkExperienceSince : 2002 > } > > (or open a pull request at: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-project-consultants/) > > Marcus > > > > -- > Serge Stinckwich > UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC/UY1) > "Programs must be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute." > http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/

Jan. 18, 2018