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Re: [Pharo-users] unsolicited package-cache use

by Hilaire

It was a month ago; I don't remember the details but from what I can recover from my memory the scenario was: - From my dev. environment I saved code through Tonel, in the DrGeo used CVS. - When building, I specifically ask the code saved thought Tonel to be installed but the package-cache code version was used instead. It could be out of sync. Le 18/01/2018 Ã 15:22, Dale Henrichs a Ã©critÂ : > Hilaire, > > Metacello just uses Monticello for loading and it is Monticello that > is using the package-cache ... if there were a way to turn of the > package-cache for Monticello I don't think that Metacello would know > the difference. > > But, I am curious why you care whether or not package is used? > > Is there a specific problem that you are having? > > Dale -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

Jan. 18, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Pharo TechTalk Dates

by Marcus Denker

> On 18 Jan 2018, at 15:35, Alistair Grant <akgrant0710(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Marcus, > > Suggested topic: Contributing to Pharo7. :-) Indeed! The Feb 15 Date seems good for that. Marcus

Jan. 18, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] unsolicited package-cache use

by Hilaire

Ok, the scary part get out then. According to what I understood, here three things for Kjell regarding his interest on DrGeo: 1) Get my latest DrGeo build[1]. The shipped VM within the application is out of sync, therefore a recent 32Bits VM should be used against the image located in DrGeo.app/Contets/Resources/drgeo.image 2) Concerning differential geometric, I don't know much. However DrGeo can be programmatically drived, particularly point defined by bloc can be useful to produce interactive graph with point interacting in cascade. See this Newton-Raphson example[2] Dr. Geo on Netwo-Raphson method 3) There is doc for programming DrGeo but the English version is a bit out of sync, http://www.drgeo.eu/help Hilaire [1] https://www.dropbox.com/s/wc18e21p371z28f/DrGeo.app-18.01a.zip?dl=0 [2] https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/726369/when-does-the-newton-raphso… Le 18/01/2018 Ã 15:06, Sean P. DeNigris a Ã©critÂ : > I browsed some other posts from this account to the lists on Nabble. They > were more obviously on topic. Also, I met Kjell at a Smalltalk conference or > two. My experience was that he speaks from a meta level and you have to > connect the dots yourself, which can be difficult to follow. IMHO he should > not be banned. -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

Jan. 18, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Pharo TechTalk Dates

by Alistair Grant

Hi Marcus, Suggested topic: Contributing to Pharo7. :-) Thanks! Alistair On 18 January 2018 at 14:52, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Hi, > > Here are the next dates for the Pharo Techtalks. > (for recording of the past ones, see: http://pharo.org/TechTalk ) > > > Jan 30: Pharo TechTalk: Genetic Algorithms > https://association.pharo.org/event-2757884 > > For the others we have no topic yet, but dates are pre-fixed to: > > Feb 15 > https://association.pharo.org/event-2797065 > > March 22 > https://association.pharo.org/event-2797067 > > April 12 > https://association.pharo.org/event-2797068 > > May 17 > https://association.pharo.org/event-2797069 > > June 14 > https://association.pharo.org/event-2797070 > > > - If you have ideas for topics, please tell us! > - With no topic, we will use this slot for a general free discussion. > - If you want to do a TechTalk about a topic but no date is good, we can > change the date! > > Marcus >

Jan. 18, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] unsolicited package-cache use

by Dale Henrichs

Hilaire, Metacello just uses Monticello for loading and it is Monticello that is using the package-cache ... if there were a way to turn of the package-cache for Monticello I don't think that Metacello would know the difference. But, I am curious why you care whether or not package is used? Is there a specific problem that you are having? Dale On 1/17/18 8:30 PM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand wrote: > Hi Hilaire, > > Which Pharo version? > Have you found any solution to this? > In Gofer there was #disablePackageCache, in Metacello I don't know, > maybe experimenting with MetacelloLoaderPolicy but there are no class > comments. > Cheers, > > HernÃ¡n > > > 2017-12-18 17:24 GMT-03:00 Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu>: >> If understood correctly, when using a tonel file repository to build up an >> image, Pharo seems instead to take the sources from some package-cache, >> which is out of sync, because the tonel file repo was updated from another >> image, with a different cache. I guess I can trick the file system but it is >> for the least very annoying, for the worst unreliable. >> >> >> >> Le 10/12/2017 Ã 18:16, Hilaire a Ã©crit : >>> I am using tonel format to install from and save to a local repository. >>> >>> How to prevent Monticello/Configuration/Metacello to save packages to the >>> image package-cache dir? >>> >>> Even when installing from a configuration with repo on tonel file format, >>> packages get created in the image package-cache directory. >>> >>> I have read there and there, Pharo gets confused and uses wrongly the >>> package-cache versions and not the local repo. >> >> -- >> Dr. Geo >> http://drgeo.eu >> >> >>

Jan. 18, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] unsolicited package-cache use

by Sean P. DeNigris

Peter Kenny wrote > Are you sure it's a bot? Google the name - there is a real person living > near Seattle, with an interest in Smalltalk. I browsed some other posts from this account to the lists on Nabble. They were more obviously on topic. Also, I met Kjell at a Smalltalk conference or two. My experience was that he speaks from a meta level and you have to connect the dots yourself, which can be difficult to follow. IMHO he should not be banned. ----- Cheers, Sean -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Jan. 18, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] unsolicited package-cache use

by Marcus Denker

Honestly there is some âminimal level of conductâ that people need to follow. Something named picoVerse has spammed like this in the past and was kicked out, too. Marcus > On 18 Jan 2018, at 14:58, PBKResearch <peter(a)pbkresearch.co.uk> wrote: > > Are you sure it's a bot? Google the name - there is a real person living near Seattle, with an interest in Smalltalk. I think the same person posts on the Dolphin list using the name picoVerse. Granted the style is weird and it often doesn't seem to make sense, but it's a person. > > Peter Kenny > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of Marcus Denker > Sent: 18 January 2018 12:47 > To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] unsolicited package-cache use > > yes, I will do that. I definitely is a bot I think the same that posted nonsense to Discord and years ago already to this list. > > Marcus > >> On 18 Jan 2018, at 12:08, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >> >> Should we not block this account? It looks generated â¦ although it is quite scary how not easy it is to not figure this out. >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >>> On Jan 18, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Kjell Godo <squeaklist(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> itâs those weight limits on the luggage they spook you >>> they spooked me they spooked us >>> but they are not really limits you just have to pay more >>> but you donât actually find that out until you get there >>> or if you want to spend an hour on the phone asking about it >>> well probably only 20 minutes actually >>> but you have to know that you can ask this question >>> that it is a valid question to ask >>> which apparently we did not >>> so i left something behind Wonât do that again >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 02:45 Kjell Godo <squeaklist(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> i want it Iâm going to get it if i can click download on it >>> i donât care about 43MB >>> >>> is there an image stripper? ( Dolphin has an image stripper you can modify. >>> after stripping the .exe file was about 6MB ) >>> >>> if this is 43MB of just DrGeo then i think itâs fine >>> i donât know what anybody else thinks and i donât know much but >>> it takes a few minutes to download >>> at 1.5Mbits / second >>> not really noticeable >>> it has to be above 100MB at that speed to be noticeable >>> in my opinion >>> >>> so can i do differential geometry in DrGeo? >>> like general relativity? that would be cool. >>> can it do Tensors? i have this >>> book : einstein gravity in a nutshell >>> and i have always wanted a numerical graphical way to go through >>> these equations in there >>> i guess there is that numerical package i got, is there a tensor package? >>> i tried to write a tensor thing once >>> i tried to boil it down to the minimum number of lines of >>> KEGGenerator code and that was like 10 or less >>> to do a tensor multiply >>> but i never tested it yet Test first! >>> >>> so i want to get DrGeo now and i donât care about 43MB >>> now or soon itâs not really possible right now >>> usually it would be but i am out of my usual country >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 00:33 Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> wrote: >>> Le 18/01/2018 Ã 05:30, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand a Ã©crit : >>>> Which Pharo version? >>> P7 >>>> Have you found any solution to this? >>> >>> I find a workaround. My bash script to build DrGeo image just remove >>> the content of the package-cache directory. >>>> In Gofer there was #disablePackageCache, in Metacello I don't know, >>>> maybe experimenting with MetacelloLoaderPolicy but there are no >>>> class comments. >>> >>> I am now done with this problem, and I will not get back to it right now. >>> Thanks to ask and the suggestion, it could be useful to other. >>> >>> I have other serious concern as the resulting size of the DrGeo image >>> built against P7, 43MB. I feel ashame to make any public DrGeo >>> release with such an important image size. >>> >>> Hilaire >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Geo >>> http://drgeo.eu >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> www.feenk.com >> >> "Speaking louder won't make the point worthier." >> >> > > >

Jan. 18, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] unsolicited package-cache use

by PBKResearch

Are you sure it's a bot? Google the name - there is a real person living near Seattle, with an interest in Smalltalk. I think the same person posts on the Dolphin list using the name picoVerse. Granted the style is weird and it often doesn't seem to make sense, but it's a person. Peter Kenny -----Original Message----- From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of Marcus Denker Sent: 18 January 2018 12:47 To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] unsolicited package-cache use yes, I will do that. I definitely is a bot I think the same that posted nonsense to Discord and years ago already to this list. Marcus > On 18 Jan 2018, at 12:08, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > > Should we not block this account? It looks generated â¦ although it is quite scary how not easy it is to not figure this out. > > Cheers, > Doru > > >> On Jan 18, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Kjell Godo <squeaklist(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> itâs those weight limits on the luggage they spook you >> they spooked me they spooked us >> but they are not really limits you just have to pay more >> but you donât actually find that out until you get there >> or if you want to spend an hour on the phone asking about it >> well probably only 20 minutes actually >> but you have to know that you can ask this question >> that it is a valid question to ask >> which apparently we did not >> so i left something behind Wonât do that again >> >> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 02:45 Kjell Godo <squeaklist(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> i want it Iâm going to get it if i can click download on it >> i donât care about 43MB >> >> is there an image stripper? ( Dolphin has an image stripper you can modify. >> after stripping the .exe file was about 6MB ) >> >> if this is 43MB of just DrGeo then i think itâs fine >> i donât know what anybody else thinks and i donât know much but >> it takes a few minutes to download >> at 1.5Mbits / second >> not really noticeable >> it has to be above 100MB at that speed to be noticeable >> in my opinion >> >> so can i do differential geometry in DrGeo? >> like general relativity? that would be cool. >> can it do Tensors? i have this >> book : einstein gravity in a nutshell >> and i have always wanted a numerical graphical way to go through >> these equations in there >> i guess there is that numerical package i got, is there a tensor package? >> i tried to write a tensor thing once >> i tried to boil it down to the minimum number of lines of >> KEGGenerator code and that was like 10 or less >> to do a tensor multiply >> but i never tested it yet Test first! >> >> so i want to get DrGeo now and i donât care about 43MB >> now or soon itâs not really possible right now >> usually it would be but i am out of my usual country >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 00:33 Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> wrote: >> Le 18/01/2018 Ã 05:30, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand a Ã©crit : >>> Which Pharo version? >> P7 >>> Have you found any solution to this? >> >> I find a workaround. My bash script to build DrGeo image just remove >> the content of the package-cache directory. >>> In Gofer there was #disablePackageCache, in Metacello I don't know, >>> maybe experimenting with MetacelloLoaderPolicy but there are no >>> class comments. >> >> I am now done with this problem, and I will not get back to it right now. >> Thanks to ask and the suggestion, it could be useful to other. >> >> I have other serious concern as the resulting size of the DrGeo image >> built against P7, 43MB. I feel ashame to make any public DrGeo >> release with such an important image size. >> >> Hilaire >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Geo >> http://drgeo.eu >> >> >> > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > www.feenk.com > > "Speaking louder won't make the point worthier." > >

Jan. 18, 2018

[ANN] Pharo TechTalk Dates

by Marcus Denker

Hi, Here are the next dates for the Pharo Techtalks. (for recording of the past ones, see: http://pharo.org/TechTalk ) Jan 30: Pharo TechTalk: Genetic Algorithms https://association.pharo.org/event-2757884 For the others we have no topic yet, but dates are pre-fixed to: Feb 15 https://association.pharo.org/event-2797065 March 22 https://association.pharo.org/event-2797067 April 12 https://association.pharo.org/event-2797068 May 17 https://association.pharo.org/event-2797069 June 14 https://association.pharo.org/event-2797070 - If you have ideas for topics, please tell us! - With no topic, we will use this slot for a general free discussion. - If you want to do a TechTalk about a topic but no date is good, we can change the date! Marcus

Jan. 18, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] unsolicited package-cache use

by Marcus Denker

yes, I will do that. I definitely is a bot I think the same that posted nonsense to Discord and years ago already to this list. Marcus > On 18 Jan 2018, at 12:08, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > > Should we not block this account? It looks generated â¦ although it is quite scary how not easy it is to not figure this out. > > Cheers, > Doru > > >> On Jan 18, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Kjell Godo <squeaklist(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> itâs those weight limits on the luggage they spook you >> they spooked me they spooked us >> but they are not really limits you just have to pay more >> but you donât actually find that out until you get there >> or if you want to spend an hour on the phone asking about it >> well probably only 20 minutes actually >> but you have to know that you can ask this question >> that it is a valid question to ask >> which apparently we did not >> so i left something behind Wonât do that again >> >> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 02:45 Kjell Godo <squeaklist(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> i want it Iâm going to get it if i can click download on it >> i donât care about 43MB >> >> is there an image stripper? ( Dolphin has an image stripper you can modify. >> after stripping the .exe file was about 6MB ) >> >> if this is 43MB of just DrGeo then i think itâs fine >> i donât know what anybody else thinks and i donât know much but >> it takes a few minutes to download >> at 1.5Mbits / second >> not really noticeable >> it has to be above 100MB at that speed to be noticeable >> in my opinion >> >> so can i do differential geometry in DrGeo? >> like general relativity? that would be cool. >> can it do Tensors? i have this >> book : einstein gravity in a nutshell >> and i have always wanted a numerical graphical way to go through >> these equations in there >> i guess there is that numerical package i got, is there a tensor package? >> i tried to write a tensor thing once >> i tried to boil it down to the minimum number of lines of >> KEGGenerator code and that was like 10 or less >> to do a tensor multiply >> but i never tested it yet Test first! >> >> so i want to get DrGeo now and i donât care about 43MB >> now or soon itâs not really possible right now >> usually it would be but i am out of my usual country >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 00:33 Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> wrote: >> Le 18/01/2018 Ã 05:30, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand a Ã©crit : >>> Which Pharo version? >> P7 >>> Have you found any solution to this? >> >> I find a workaround. My bash script to build DrGeo image just remove >> the content of the package-cache directory. >>> In Gofer there was #disablePackageCache, in Metacello I don't know, >>> maybe experimenting with MetacelloLoaderPolicy but there are no class >>> comments. >> >> I am now done with this problem, and I will not get back to it right now. >> Thanks to ask and the suggestion, it could be useful to other. >> >> I have other serious concern as the resulting size of the DrGeo image >> built against P7, 43MB. I feel ashame to make any public DrGeo release >> with such an important image size. >> >> Hilaire >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Geo >> http://drgeo.eu >> >> >> > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > www.feenk.com > > "Speaking louder won't make the point worthier." > >

Jan. 18, 2018