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#(foo bar baz) min

by Herbert VojÄÃk

Hi all! Somehow intuitively I presume the subject line to return #bar, but it fails with ByteString not knowing min:, in Pharo 6.1. Is it a bug, bug fixed in Pharo 7, or a feature? Herby

April 20, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Best method for connecting to an Oracle 11g database

by Aaron Blakeman

Hi, I was trying garage, but I was using the instructions for installation from here: https://guillep.github.io/DBXTalk/garage/installation.html I was able to load garage from https://github.com/pharo-rdbms, but the method described at https://guillep.github.io/DBXTalk/garage/installation.html for loading the opendbx drivers don't appear to work. I'll play around with it a bit more. Thanks! Aaron On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 11:48 PM, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Arron > > Did you try Garage from https://github.com/pharo-rdbms > > Stef > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 7:22 AM, Aaron Blakeman > <aaron.blakeman(a)gemtalksystems.com> wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I'm trying to use Pharo 6 to connect to an Oracle 11g database. I tried > > using dbxtalk with the opendbx driver, but I can't seem to get that to > load > > cleanly into a Pharo 6 image. > > > > Before I spend alot of time trying to debug DBXtalk I wanted to see if > > anyone else had any recommendations. Is there currently any better > method > > for connecting from Pharo 6 to an Oracle database? > > > > Thanks! > >

April 20, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Where do we go now ?

by Sean P. DeNigris

Stephane Ducasse-3 wrote > I like when developers are talking about names: > They use a mac and not a computer, they were nike, lewis and not shoes > and pants.... > So guys can we focus our energy on positive things. IHMO this is certainly a positive subject because it highlights the as-yet-to-be-resolved tension regarding understandability of the system between having a unique name (good for googling, distinguishing between versions) and a name that reveals what the project does/is for. What is the plan to resolve this because it is a real problem? Nike and Levis are designed to stand on their own in front of the consumer market. Is this true of Nautilus, Calypso, or Epicea? A more relevant example of products that are geared to be presented to consumers as /part of/ another more-uniquely-named product come to mind: OS release codenames: - Mac - OS X 10.11: El Capitan and macOS 10.12: Sierra. Note that they didn't just invent a random-seeming fabricated name and tell people to get over it, they also provide a number which situates it in its domain. - Interestingly Windows has moved back to boring release numbers and has dropped the fantasy names Possible solutions: - Make project tags /the primary view for new users when searching the system. There is a lot of talk about students and having to explain confusing things to them. Would it not be more straightforward to look for a "Class Browser" or "SCM" category?! - If projects are designed just-for-pharo, maybe borrow another trick from OS X - have a codename for development (like Fuji for Sierra) and then change it to something more generic on release, like Browser3, although now that we seem to be keeping tools in their own project repos, that might be problematic I summary, IMHO it is important to provide both: - A clear, searchable, pragmatic way to navigate/understand the system - As well as the unique, google-able, but usually undescriptive way we have now ----- Cheers, Sean -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

April 20, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Best method for connecting to an Oracle 11g database

by Esteban A. Maringolo

At the time my company tested Pharo to access Oracle databases, the OpenDBX driver support was lousy and it was hard to make it work in Windows. Also Garage isn't tested against it. So our resolution was that Oracle isn't supported by any driver for Pharo unless you are in Windows and can use ODBC to access it (and I don't know the current ODBC driver status for recent Pharo versions). Regards! On 20/04/2018 03:48, Stephane Ducasse wrote: > Hi Arron > > Did you try Garage from https://github.com/pharo-rdbms > > Stef > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 7:22 AM, Aaron Blakeman > <aaron.blakeman(a)gemtalksystems.com> wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I'm trying to use Pharo 6 to connect to an Oracle 11g database. I tried >> using dbxtalk with the opendbx driver, but I can't seem to get that to load >> cleanly into a Pharo 6 image. >> >> Before I spend alot of time trying to debug DBXtalk I wanted to see if >> anyone else had any recommendations. Is there currently any better method >> for connecting from Pharo 6 to an Oracle database? >> >> Thanks! > -- Esteban A. Maringolo

April 20, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Where do we go now ?

by Stephane Ducasse

> > On this matter, when I named my project, "Grafoscopio" I thought in > something evocative and unique, because of the Spanish words "grafo" > (graph) and grafÃa[1][2] (graphy, related with writing like in > "ortografÃa" "orthography". After naming it I discover there was a old > device related with writing and visualization, also called > Grafoscopio[3][4], but I got good search rankings because of the > uniqueness of the word[5][6]. Obviously and well done! I like when developers are talking about names: They use a mac and not a computer, they were nike, lewis and not shoes and pants.... May be we should rename Pharo: programming language. And Voyage: Layer And Athens, Cairo: Canvas And git: versioning system Hibernate? JavaFX?, Graddle?, Travis?, Bintray? Do you want more Docker? So guys can we focus our energy on positive things. Stef > > Being my first project and lacking any programming style, the "Smalltalk > with Style" book didn't make any sense at that time, but now, with more > experience, I wonder, from time to time, how I could/should (re)name the > software and its classes. > > [1] http://www.wordreference.com/definicion/graf%c3%ada > [2] http://www.wordreference.com/es/en/translation.asp?spen=graf%C3%ADa > [3] > https://www.museodelprado.es/actualidad/multimedia/el-grafoscopio/722c13b2-… > [4] > https://www.museodelprado.es/en/whats-on/exhibition/the-graphoscope/81bfb97… > [5] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=grafoscopio&t=ffsb&atb=v76-7&ia=web > [6] https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=grafoscopio > > Cheers, > > Offray > > On 13/04/18 09:01, Esteban A. Maringolo wrote: >> On 13/04/2018 10:41, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >>> A somewhat unique name makes it easier to google for it (like Roassal >>> Pharo, or DeepTraverser Pharo, or Zinc Pharo). >>> These will give us hits that are relevant. >>> >>> Try System Browser, Inspector... >>> >>> And Apple has worked with NSObject and stuff like that without too much >>> trouble (at a much larger scale for whatever XyzKit they released). >>> Ah, yes, they used the "Kit" suffix. Maybe can we have something like >>> that with Pharo. Like SystemBrowserKit ( nah, too Appleish. >> >> But I prefer these names: >> * Calypso System Browser >> * Calypso Debugger >> * Iceberg Source Control Management >> * Zinc HTTP Client >> * Zinc HTTP Server >> * Fuel Serialization >> * Glamorous Spotter [*] >> * etc. >> >> [*] I particularly dislike "Glamorous" adjective. >> >> In the case of wrapper for libraries I'm hesitant to decide whether to >> indicate pharo name in it or not. >> I mean stuff like a NaCl wrapper calling it "NaCl-Pharo" instead of >> calling "Salty". >> >> >>> Let's try SystemBrowserMeccano (longish), or SystemBrowserPack (too >>> bland), or SystemBrowserGear (why not), SystemBrowserRig (this one >>> sounds cool actually)). >> Fortunately in the past the lack of namespaces caused the use of >> prefixes instead of suffixes. >> >> With time prefixes become invisible. >> >> A suffix, instead, will get into all your names, bothering with other >> existing suffixes like `Component`, `Model`, `Collection`, and so on. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >

April 20, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Best method for connecting to an Oracle 11g database

by Stephane Ducasse

Hi Arron Did you try Garage from https://github.com/pharo-rdbms Stef On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 7:22 AM, Aaron Blakeman <aaron.blakeman(a)gemtalksystems.com> wrote: > Hello, > > I'm trying to use Pharo 6 to connect to an Oracle 11g database. I tried > using dbxtalk with the opendbx driver, but I can't seem to get that to load > cleanly into a Pharo 6 image. > > Before I spend alot of time trying to debug DBXtalk I wanted to see if > anyone else had any recommendations. Is there currently any better method > for connecting from Pharo 6 to an Oracle database? > > Thanks!

April 20, 2018

Best method for connecting to an Oracle 11g database

by Aaron Blakeman

Hello, I'm trying to use Pharo 6 to connect to an Oracle 11g database. I tried using dbxtalk with the opendbx driver, but I can't seem to get that to load cleanly into a Pharo 6 image. Before I spend alot of time trying to debug DBXtalk I wanted to see if anyone else had any recommendations. Is there currently any better method for connecting from Pharo 6 to an Oracle database? Thanks!

April 20, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Where do we go now ?

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

Hi, On this matter, when I named my project, "Grafoscopio" I thought in something evocative and unique, because of the Spanish words "grafo" (graph) and grafÃa[1][2] (graphy, related with writing like in "ortografÃa" "orthography". After naming it I discover there was a old device related with writing and visualization, also called Grafoscopio[3][4], but I got good search rankings because of the uniqueness of the word[5][6]. Being my first project and lacking any programming style, the "Smalltalk with Style" book didn't make any sense at that time, but now, with more experience, I wonder, from time to time, how I could/should (re)name the software and its classes. [1] http://www.wordreference.com/definicion/graf%c3%ada [2] http://www.wordreference.com/es/en/translation.asp?spen=graf%C3%ADa [3] https://www.museodelprado.es/actualidad/multimedia/el-grafoscopio/722c13b2-… [4] https://www.museodelprado.es/en/whats-on/exhibition/the-graphoscope/81bfb97… [5] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=grafoscopio&t=ffsb&atb=v76-7&ia=web [6] https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=grafoscopio Cheers, Offray On 13/04/18 09:01, Esteban A. Maringolo wrote: > On 13/04/2018 10:41, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >> A somewhat unique name makes it easier to google for it (like Roassal >> Pharo, or DeepTraverser Pharo, or Zinc Pharo).Â >> These will give us hits that are relevant. >> >> Try System Browser, Inspector... >> >> And Apple has worked with NSObject and stuff like that without too much >> trouble (at a much larger scale for whatever XyzKit they released). >> Ah, yes, they used the "Kit" suffix. Maybe can we have something like >> that with Pharo. Like SystemBrowserKit ( nah, too Appleish. > > But I prefer these names: > * Calypso System Browser > * Calypso Debugger > * Iceberg Source Control Management > * Zinc HTTP Client > * Zinc HTTP Server > * Fuel Serialization > * Glamorous Spotter [*] > * etc. > > [*] I particularly dislike "Glamorous" adjective. > > In the case of wrapper for libraries I'm hesitant to decide whether to > indicate pharo name in it or not. > I mean stuff like a NaCl wrapper calling it "NaCl-Pharo" instead of > calling "Salty". > > >> Let's try SystemBrowserMeccano (longish), or SystemBrowserPack (too >> bland), or SystemBrowserGear (why not), SystemBrowserRig (this one >> sounds cool actually)). > Fortunately in the past the lack of namespaces caused the use of > prefixes instead of suffixes. > > With time prefixes become invisible. > > A suffix, instead, will get into all your names, bothering with other > existing suffixes like `Component`, `Model`, `Collection`, and so on. > > > > > > >

April 19, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Creating a repository with Iceberg

by sergio ruiz

Perfect.. works for me.. Thanks! On April 19, 2018 at 2:42:08 PM, Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras (vonbecmann(a)gmail.com) wrote: World>>System>>Settings>>Tools>>Software Configuration Management>>IcebergÂ and choose theÂ File format type: tonel/filetree ---- peace, sergio photographer, journalist, visionary Public Key:Â http://bit.ly/29z9fG0 #BitMessageÂ BM-NBaswViL21xqgg9STRJjaJaUoyiNe2dV http://www.codeandmusic.com http://www.twitter.com/sergio_101 http://www.facebook.com/sergio101

April 19, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Creating a repository with Iceberg

by Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras

you can avoid it if you go to World>>System>>Settings>>Tools>>Software Configuration Management>>Iceberg and choose the File format type: tonel/filetree On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 3:33 PM, Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras < vonbecmann(a)gmail.com> wrote: > see > https://github.com/pharo-vcs/iceberg/issues/579 > > > > On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 1:04 PM, sergio ruiz <sergio.rrd(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I am just getting started with Iceberg. >> >> In creating a new repo on my local machine, I keep getting this error: >> >> Object>>doesNotUnderstand: #asSymbol >> >> it has a beef with this line: >> >> defaultFileFormat >> ^ Smalltalk at: self defaultFileFormatType asSymbol >> >> Do i need to set this in my image? >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> ---- >> peace, >> sergio >> photographer, journalist, visionary >> >> Public Key: http://bit.ly/29z9fG0 >> #BitMessage BM-NBaswViL21xqgg9STRJjaJaUoyiNe2dV >> http://www.codeandmusic.com >> http://www.twitter.com/sergio_101 >> http://www.facebook.com/sergio101 >> > > > > -- > Bernardo E.C. > > Sent from a cheap desktop computer in South America. > -- Bernardo E.C. Sent from a cheap desktop computer in South America.

April 19, 2018