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Re: [Pharo-users] [Moose-dev] Re: Roassal2 in Pharo 6.1 (Win) 137 tests fails

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Hi Peter, I don't know why but restarted the PC and it worked! On a new image and Roassal2 installation. Thank you, Cheers, HernÃ¡n 2018-07-06 12:52 GMT-03:00 Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com>: >> May be Roassal2 is broken on Windows? > > Sometimes Pharo on Windows decides that it will not load external library. > > Try to restart your PC and see if it persists. > > Peter > > On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 5:38 PM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand > <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> In a clean Pharo 6.1 (Windows 8) I loaded Roassal2 with the following >> spec in a baseline: >> >> spec >> project: 'Roassal2' >> with: [ >> spec >> className: #ConfigurationOfRoassal2; >> versionString: #stable; >> repository: >> 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/ObjectProfile/Roassal2' ]. >> >> But many Trachel tests fails because of "External module not found" >> error (Screenshots attached). >> May be Roassal2 is broken on Windows? >> >> I tried loading Roassal2 from the Catalog browser and the same 137 tests >> fails. >> >> Any idea what could be missing? >> >> Cheers, >> >> HernÃ¡n >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch >> https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch > https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev >

July 7, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] [Moose-dev] Re: Roassal2 in Pharo 6.1 (Win) 137 tests fails

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Hi Alex, I used the VM which is provided by the zeroconf, i.e.: wget -O- https://get.pharo.org | bash This VM is Cog Spur VM 5.0 (release) from May 9 2018. gcc 6.4.0 Could happen that loading a library on Windows sometimes fails? It would be nice to have the path or additional information on the loading error. Cheers, HernÃ¡n 2018-07-06 13:55 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>: > Dear Hernan, > > Likely that you use a VM that does not have the Cairo library. Can you try > updating your VM? > > Cheers > Alexandre > > http://bergel.eu > > Le 6 juil. 2018 Ã 18:38, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> a > Ã©crit : > > In a clean Pharo 6.1 (Windows 8) I loaded Roassal2 with the following > spec in a baseline: > > spec > project: 'Roassal2' > with: [ > spec > className: #ConfigurationOfRoassal2; > versionString: #stable; > repository: > 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/ObjectProfile/Roassal2' ]. > > But many Trachel tests fails because of "External module not found" > error (Screenshots attached). > May be Roassal2 is broken on Windows? > > I tried loading Roassal2 from the Catalog browser and the same 137 tests > fails. > > Any idea what could be missing? > > Cheers, > > HernÃ¡n > > <Test Runner.png> > > <Error - External module not found.png> > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch > https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev >

July 7, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Instance of IceUnknownBranch did not understand #id

by Guillermo Polito

I'd like to add that I don't think that plain Metacello will work with private repositories. Metacello will try to load a zip ball from your project and I really doubt that github/bitbucket/gitlab provide you with that anonymously... On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 5:08 PM HernÃ¡n Morales Durand < hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Esteban > > 2018-07-05 4:51 GMT-03:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: > > Hi Hernan, > > > > Pharo 6.1 has a very old version of iceberg that is obsoleted by current > > development. Nevertheless this error seems to indicate the download > failed > > and sources are not present (this could be an âaccumulative errorâ: the > > error could have happen before and now, since Iceberg looks for problems > in > > pharo-local/iceberg (and version in pharo 6.1 silently accepts what is > > present there instead verify) it just fails all the time. > > > > To workaround this, I can think two possible paths: > > > > 1. remove pharo-local/iceberg cache and try again. > > If you mean because of previous installations I use a clean image from > zeroconf. > > > 2. disable iceberg-metacello integration: Iceberg > > enableMetacelloIntegration: false. > > Tried but received a dialog > > github--MyProjectName017100342298250723486371441364908851233119.zip > does not exist. > Canceling just opened a pre-debug with "SubscriptOutOfBounds: 0" > > > > > Both can workâ¦ if you still want to use iceberg in Pharo 6.1, along with > the > > option 1 I suggest you to update iceberg version: > > https://github.com/pharo-vcs/iceberg#for-pharo-61 > > > > Ok, I updated to the latest version (currently 1.1.1) and now the > error exception doesn't appear anymore. > However iceberg Branch column is "Unknown" and Status is "Local > repository missing". This is weird since I installed in a clean image. > (See screenshot) > > Thank you very much Esteban, > > Cheers, > > HernÃ¡n > > > cheers, > > Esteban > > > > On 4 Jul 2018, at 19:57, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com > > > > wrote: > > > > I wonder if anyone could help here. I am installing a BaselineOf in > > Pharo 6.1 (Windows) using a script like the following: > > > > Iceberg > > enableMetacelloIntegration: true; > > remoteTypeSelector: #httpsUrl. > > Metacello new > > baseline: 'MyProject'; > > repository: 'github://user/repo/src'; > > load. > > > > Unfortunately the repository is private and I cannot share the URL. > > When I open the Iceberg UI all downloaded packages has "Local > > repository missing" (see screenshots). > > > > To fix this currently I assign manually the local directory (assuming > > they were correctly downloaded). > > > > Also I tried adding repository information in the #baseline: method > > > > baseline: spec > > <baseline> > > spec > > baseline: 'MyProject' > > with: [ spec repository: 'github://user/repo' ]. > > .... > > > > > > Any idea how could I debug this? > > > > Cheers, > > > > HernÃ¡n > > <Iceberg repositories.png><Instance of IceUnknownBranch did not > understand > > #id.png> > > > > > -- Guille Polito Research Engineer Centre de Recherche en Informatique, Signal et Automatique de Lille CRIStAL - UMR 9189 French National Center for Scientific Research - *http://www.cnrs.fr <http://www.cnrs.fr>* *Web:* *http://guillep.github.io* <http://guillep.github.io> *Phone: *+33 06 52 70 66 13

July 6, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Instance of IceUnknownBranch did not understand #id

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hi, are you sure you are giving the right path? usually a github project is declared as: github://YourUserName/YourProjectName/YourCodeSubdirectory <github://YourUserName/YourProjectName/YourCodeSubdirectory> that error means iceberg is not finding âYourCodeSubdirectoryâ cheers! Esteban > On 6 Jul 2018, at 17:07, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Esteban > > 2018-07-05 4:51 GMT-03:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com>>: >> Hi Hernan, >> >> Pharo 6.1 has a very old version of iceberg that is obsoleted by current >> development. Nevertheless this error seems to indicate the download failed >> and sources are not present (this could be an âaccumulative errorâ: the >> error could have happen before and now, since Iceberg looks for problems in >> pharo-local/iceberg (and version in pharo 6.1 silently accepts what is >> present there instead verify) it just fails all the time. >> >> To workaround this, I can think two possible paths: >> >> 1. remove pharo-local/iceberg cache and try again. > > If you mean because of previous installations I use a clean image from zeroconf. > >> 2. disable iceberg-metacello integration: Iceberg >> enableMetacelloIntegration: false. > > Tried but received a dialog > > github--MyProjectName017100342298250723486371441364908851233119.zip > does not exist. > Canceling just opened a pre-debug with "SubscriptOutOfBounds: 0" > >> >> Both can workâ¦ if you still want to use iceberg in Pharo 6.1, along with the >> option 1 I suggest you to update iceberg version: >> https://github.com/pharo-vcs/iceberg#for-pharo-61 <https://github.com/pharo-vcs/iceberg#for-pharo-61> >> > > Ok, I updated to the latest version (currently 1.1.1) and now the > error exception doesn't appear anymore. > However iceberg Branch column is "Unknown" and Status is "Local > repository missing". This is weird since I installed in a clean image. > (See screenshot) > > Thank you very much Esteban, > > Cheers, > > HernÃ¡n > >> cheers, >> Esteban >> >> On 4 Jul 2018, at 19:57, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> I wonder if anyone could help here. I am installing a BaselineOf in >> Pharo 6.1 (Windows) using a script like the following: >> >> Iceberg >> enableMetacelloIntegration: true; >> remoteTypeSelector: #httpsUrl. >> Metacello new >> baseline: 'MyProject'; >> repository: 'github://user/repo/src'; >> load. >> >> Unfortunately the repository is private and I cannot share the URL. >> When I open the Iceberg UI all downloaded packages has "Local >> repository missing" (see screenshots). >> >> To fix this currently I assign manually the local directory (assuming >> they were correctly downloaded). >> >> Also I tried adding repository information in the #baseline: method >> >> baseline: spec >> <baseline> >> spec >> baseline: 'MyProject' >> with: [ spec repository: 'github://user/repo' ]. >> .... >> >> >> Any idea how could I debug this? >> >> Cheers, >> >> HernÃ¡n >> <Iceberg repositories.png><Instance of IceUnknownBranch did not understand >> #id.png> >> >> > <Working copy of iceberg.png>

July 6, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Some facts and figures about pharo gaining momentum?

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hi, One think that is not measurable but is certainly there is the fact that we cannot keep a track of people using Pharo. We are always amazed about people we never seen before suddenly appears asking for help on something (which is sad, because we have more notice of people who has problems than the amount of people who succeeds and does not participates). Been part of a community is not the first impulse of programmers. I know for example in Argentina there are many more users of Pharo than those who pumps into the list time to time, but lack of open source culture (even if most people use just open source project) and also problems to master english (or at lease handle it enough to be understandable, as my self ;) ) makes people not to be very visible. That happens a lot in other places, and sadly we just know about them when they have problemsâ¦ this is like out of topic, but still a way to measure: we as Pharo developers cannot track anymore how many users we have, and thatâs a good thing. Esteban > On 5 Jul 2018, at 21:00, Andrei Stebakov <lispercat(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks, Kilon for such an insightful answer. Lots of stuff to think about. > I guess what I was waiting for is some success stories (which we already have on the website), but coming from you guys as consultants saying something like: "oh, this year I have more projects than last year" or "now my network of Smalltalk aware customers is that much bigger" or "a friend of mine who works in company XYZ says that after some consideration they started to use Pharo for micro services instead of Java". > I know, it's hard to measure the success level in numbers (other than the example you gave with github stats), more like the word of mouth kind of thing. > Another metrix could be the subscription rate for this mailing list, since chances are that most of new Pharo users would be on it and the acceleration of that rate would definitely say something about Pharo success. Wondering if we have access to that data. > Thanks for your insight! > > On Thu, Jul 5, 2018, 13:20 kilon.alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: > You can check the github repos, github allows you to browse project repos per > language. You could probably automate that from Pharo, use the Github API > like Iceberg does fetch the names of all projects using smalltalk language > and check to see which ones have commits the last year and then make a nice > graph using Roassal. You could do that also periodically to track the growth > in popularity. > > Github is the center place for everything open source, Pharo and Squeak are > more tricky because they each have their own hosting sites squeaksource for > Squeak and smalltalkhub for Pharo but I think most modern Pharo projects > seem to have made the jump to github too. > > But even with Smalltalkhub there should be some API lurking in there > although I suspect it will be undocumented and a lot trickier to get it > working. > > Another source is Google trends, but I dont think google search is very > reliable because smalltalk is a regular word that is not 99.99% of the time > used to mean the programming language, so you will have to use terms like > "smalltalk programming" (this is the primary method that the TIOBE INDEX is > using for all its languages) but even that wont be very reliable. > > Technically speaking language popularity is a can of worms, there is a huge > disagreement even which are the TOP 10 most popular programming languages > right now. Even the TOP 3 can widely fluctuate. So as you can imagine > keeping track of something as unpopular as smalltalk is going to be quite a > challange. > > For example "everyone" seem to agree that there is very little reason > nowdays to use C over C++, cause "C++ is a much better C with objects" , on > the other hand language popularity websites seem to disagree with "everyone" > because not only they have C in top 10 but in many cases its more popular > than C++ and to put more insult to the sin they also show it shrinking way > slower than C++ in popularity. Such an example is TIOBE > > https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ <https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/> > https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/c/ <https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/c/> > https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/cplusplus/ <https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/cplusplus/> > > If we cannot even agree with C vs C++ imagine Smalltalk vs The REST. > > But I think Github API is a good place to start. The worst place to start is > asking people for opinion and reading blog posts , hackernews, twitter, > facebook or whatever else "hipster" thing, especially stackoverflow and > medium. > > In the end language popularity is a hopeless cause. In theory everyone > cares, in practice, none does. > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html <http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html> >

July 6, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Roassal2 in Pharo 6.1 (Win) 137 tests fails

by Alexandre Bergel

Dear Hernan, Likely that you use a VM that does not have the Cairo library. Can you try updating your VM? Cheers Alexandre http://bergel.eu > Le 6 juil. 2018 Ã 18:38, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> a Ã©crit : > > In a clean Pharo 6.1 (Windows 8) I loaded Roassal2 with the following > spec in a baseline: > > spec > project: 'Roassal2' > with: [ > spec > className: #ConfigurationOfRoassal2; > versionString: #stable; > repository: > 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/ObjectProfile/Roassal2' ]. > > But many Trachel tests fails because of "External module not found" > error (Screenshots attached). > May be Roassal2 is broken on Windows? > > I tried loading Roassal2 from the Catalog browser and the same 137 tests fails. > > Any idea what could be missing? > > Cheers, > > HernÃ¡n > <Test Runner.png> > <Error - External module not found.png>

July 6, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] [Moose-dev] Roassal2 in Pharo 6.1 (Win) 137 tests fails

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

> May be Roassal2 is broken on Windows? Sometimes Pharo on Windows decides that it will not load external library. Try to restart your PC and see if it persists. Peter On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 5:38 PM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand < hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > In a clean Pharo 6.1 (Windows 8) I loaded Roassal2 with the following > spec in a baseline: > > spec > project: 'Roassal2' > with: [ > spec > className: #ConfigurationOfRoassal2; > versionString: #stable; > repository: > 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/ObjectProfile/Roassal2' ]. > > But many Trachel tests fails because of "External module not found" > error (Screenshots attached). > May be Roassal2 is broken on Windows? > > I tried loading Roassal2 from the Catalog browser and the same 137 tests > fails. > > Any idea what could be missing? > > Cheers, > > HernÃ¡n > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch > https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev > >

July 6, 2018

Roassal2 in Pharo 6.1 (Win) 137 tests fails

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

In a clean Pharo 6.1 (Windows 8) I loaded Roassal2 with the following spec in a baseline: spec project: 'Roassal2' with: [ spec className: #ConfigurationOfRoassal2; versionString: #stable; repository: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/ObjectProfile/Roassal2' ]. But many Trachel tests fails because of "External module not found" error (Screenshots attached). May be Roassal2 is broken on Windows? I tried loading Roassal2 from the Catalog browser and the same 137 tests fails. Any idea what could be missing? Cheers, HernÃ¡n

July 6, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Instance of IceUnknownBranch did not understand #id

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Hi Esteban 2018-07-05 4:51 GMT-03:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: > Hi Hernan, > > Pharo 6.1 has a very old version of iceberg that is obsoleted by current > development. Nevertheless this error seems to indicate the download failed > and sources are not present (this could be an âaccumulative errorâ: the > error could have happen before and now, since Iceberg looks for problems in > pharo-local/iceberg (and version in pharo 6.1 silently accepts what is > present there instead verify) it just fails all the time. > > To workaround this, I can think two possible paths: > > 1. remove pharo-local/iceberg cache and try again. If you mean because of previous installations I use a clean image from zeroconf. > 2. disable iceberg-metacello integration: Iceberg > enableMetacelloIntegration: false. Tried but received a dialog github--MyProjectName017100342298250723486371441364908851233119.zip does not exist. Canceling just opened a pre-debug with "SubscriptOutOfBounds: 0" > > Both can workâ¦ if you still want to use iceberg in Pharo 6.1, along with the > option 1 I suggest you to update iceberg version: > https://github.com/pharo-vcs/iceberg#for-pharo-61 > Ok, I updated to the latest version (currently 1.1.1) and now the error exception doesn't appear anymore. However iceberg Branch column is "Unknown" and Status is "Local repository missing". This is weird since I installed in a clean image. (See screenshot) Thank you very much Esteban, Cheers, HernÃ¡n > cheers, > Esteban > > On 4 Jul 2018, at 19:57, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > I wonder if anyone could help here. I am installing a BaselineOf in > Pharo 6.1 (Windows) using a script like the following: > > Iceberg > enableMetacelloIntegration: true; > remoteTypeSelector: #httpsUrl. > Metacello new > baseline: 'MyProject'; > repository: 'github://user/repo/src'; > load. > > Unfortunately the repository is private and I cannot share the URL. > When I open the Iceberg UI all downloaded packages has "Local > repository missing" (see screenshots). > > To fix this currently I assign manually the local directory (assuming > they were correctly downloaded). > > Also I tried adding repository information in the #baseline: method > > baseline: spec > <baseline> > spec > baseline: 'MyProject' > with: [ spec repository: 'github://user/repo' ]. > .... > > > Any idea how could I debug this? > > Cheers, > > HernÃ¡n > <Iceberg repositories.png><Instance of IceUnknownBranch did not understand > #id.png> > >

July 6, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo stable version with git support

by dario.trussardi＠tiscali.it

Ciao, > > > On 2 July 2018 at 23:32, dario.trussardi(a)tiscali.it <dario.trussardi(a)tiscali.it> wrote: > Ciao, > > i'm interested to port all my code to new Pharo version that manage git support. > > I found information in pharo.org news, it talk of Pharo 6.1. > > But it run only on macOS 64bits o i can run it on Linux Ubuntu 16.04 LTS System? > > New information - update about it? > > Thank you for every consideration, > > Dario > > > At http://pharo.org/download you can either: > 1. At top of page click the "GNU/Linux" to install 64-bit PharoLauncher. > This gives you manage multiple 64bit or 32bit images > although the latter requires some i386 dependencies to be manually installed. > > 2. Further down click "Pharo 6.1 for GNU/Linux (64bit)" > which provides a single installation you can unzip where you like. > > cheers -ben Thanks, OK, i have setup a Pharo 6.1 image with Iceberg update as https://github.com/pharo-vcs/iceberg Now i'm "new" to git support ...... I understand ??? that Iceberg has some limitations, it is not complete ......???? I would be grateful if someone explained to me how operatively I can manage everything ... up to where I can do with Iceberg directly from Pharo and how to operate from the shell on the git repository. Documentation in this sense? My goal is to setup a environment for integrate Pharo development with Gemstone GLASS Tode git support..... Does anyone have experience in this sense? Thanks, Dario

July 6, 2018