February 2025 - Pharo-users

Re: Pharo on Bluesky and Mastodon

by Norbert Hartl

I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have. Norbert > Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas <steveeq1(a)gmail.com>: > > Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints. > > On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas <offray.luna(a)mutabit.com <mailto:offray.luna@mutabit.com>> wrote: >> Thanks a lot. >> >> It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus >> and having better forms to connect. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Offray >> >> On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote: >> > Hello, >> > >> > Bluesky: >> > https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social >> > >> > We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!) >> > >> > https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject >> > >> > >> > Marcus

Feb. 19, 2025

Re: Pharo on Bluesky and Mastodon

by Steve Quezadas

Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints. On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas < offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> wrote: > Thanks a lot. > > It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus > and having better forms to connect. > > Cheers, > > Offray > > On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Bluesky: > > https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social > > > > We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!) > > > > https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject > > > > > > Marcus >

Feb. 19, 2025

Re: Pharo on Bluesky and Mastodon

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

Thanks a lot. It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus and having better forms to connect. Cheers, Offray On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote: > Hello, > > Bluesky: > https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social > > We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!) > > https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject > > > Marcus

Feb. 18, 2025

Pharo on Bluesky and Mastodon

by Marcus Denker

Hello, Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!) https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject Marcus

Feb. 14, 2025

Re: "Book release: Application Building with Spec 2.0" â New blog post on all: objects all: theTime

by Richard O'Keefe

In Pharo12, Library|Roassal|Help takes you to a page which says that http://agilevisualization.com is an "Agile Visualization" book which describes Roassal2 and is therefore obsolete. The material I've seen about the book "Agile Visualization in Pharo ..." does not say whether it describes Roassal2 or Roassal3. I took the warning in the documentation site to mean that it is a book about Roassal2. I could well be mistaken about this, because I didn't want to buy the book if it was out of date. If it *is* current, then the documentation site needs fixing. The Roassal that you get with Library|Roassal|Load is definitely Roassal3. I don't believe i said anything even remotely close to "ChatGPT is completely useless". Let me be clear: it is amazing and very useful but it is often wrong. Often enough that I would never trust an answer from it without checking another way. I should NOT have said "completely wrong" in this case, because on reflection, I don't know that. Perhaps all that's needed is for the Roassal3 documentation to point to the current book (if it is current) and say "this is the book to get". Pharo changes pharst, so even a book published in 2021 could now be out of date. So let me rephrase my question. Does the book "Agile Visualization with Pharo" describe Roassal2 or Roassal3? If it describes Roassal3, how much has changed since it came out? Is there any other book about Roassal3? On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 at 01:07, Kasper Osterbye <kasper.osterbye(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Yes. The proposed book does not specify which Roassal3 is being used. > > We seem to be in agreement that chatgpt is not perfect. Does that prove it is useless - not to me. Does I think it is without errors - no. > > But the Roassal3 seems to be only in GitHub. > > Best, Kasper

Feb. 13, 2025

Re: "Book release: Application Building with Spec 2.0" â New blog post on all: objects all: theTime

by Kasper Osterbye

Yes. The proposed book does not specify which Roassal3 is being used. We seem to be in agreement that chatgpt is not perfect. Does that prove it is useless - not to me. Does I think it is without errors - no. But the Roassal3 seems to be only in GitHub. Best, Kasper

Feb. 13, 2025

Re: "Book release: Application Building with Spec 2.0" â New blog post on all: objects all: theTime

by Richard O'Keefe

As is commonly the case, ChatGPT is highly plausible but completely wrong. The current version is Roassal3. "Agile Visualisation" is about Roassal2. >From the examples I've seen, none of the code in the book works in the new version. The classes have different prefixes. I was hoping that there was a new edition of the book to go with the new version of the code. On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 at 20:02, Kasper Osterbye <kasper.osterbye(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On 13 Feb 2025, at 01.59, Richard O'Keefe <raoknz(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Is there a book describing the current version of Roassal? > > > I have been overusing chatgpt, which gave this answer (which I checked and seems rather reasonable): > > Question: > > âIs there a book describing the current version of Roassal? Itâs related to Pharo programming.â > > Answer: > > Yes, there is a book that describes the current version of Roassal: > > â¢ ð âAgile Visualization with Pharoâ by Alexandre Bergel. > > This book focuses on the Roassal visualization engine and provides the essential tools for visualizing data in Pharo. > > â¡ï¸ Amazon link > > > For more up-to-date documentation, you can also check out the official GitHub repository: > > â¢ ð ï¸ Roassal on GitHub: > > This repository contains the source code, examples, and documentation for Roassal. > > â¡ï¸ GitHub link > > These resources should give a solid understanding of the current version of Roassal in Pharo. > > But perhaps there is a book it did not findâ¦ > > â Kasper > >

Feb. 13, 2025

Re: "Book release: Application Building with Spec 2.0" â New blog post on all: objects all: theTime

by Kasper Osterbye

> On 13 Feb 2025, at 01.59, Richard O'Keefe <raoknz(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Is there a book describing the current version of Roassal? I have been overusing chatgpt, which gave this answer (which I checked and seems rather reasonable): Question: âIs there a book describing the current version of Roassal? Itâs related to Pharo programming.â Answer: Yes, there is a book that describes the current version of Roassal: â¢ ð âAgile Visualization with Pharoâ by Alexandre Bergel. This book focuses on the Roassal visualization engine and provides the essential tools for visualizing data in Pharo. â¡ï¸ Amazon link <https://www.amazon.com/Agile-Visualization-Pharo-Crafting-Interactive/dp/14…> For more up-to-date documentation, you can also check out the official GitHub repository: â¢ ð ï¸ Roassal on GitHub: This repository contains the source code, examples, and documentation for Roassal. â¡ï¸ GitHub link <https://github.com/pharo-graphics/Roassal> These resources should give a solid understanding of the current version of Roassal in Pharo. But perhaps there is a book it did not findâ¦ â Kasper

Feb. 13, 2025

Re: "Book release: Application Building with Spec 2.0" â New blog post on all: objects all: theTime

by Richard O'Keefe

Is there a book describing the current version of Roassal? On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 at 01:25, <mark.odonoghue.2010(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Congratulation Stephane on completing this book. > > > > I feel it is crucial. > > It removes a major hurdle for new, part time and/or returning programmers to get the UI they need for their Pharo programs. > > > > For me, it also helps me advocating for Pharo with my colleagues. > > > > Cheers > > Mark > > > > PS > > Now if some clever person could write a UI builder that would be even better! > > (eg like Dolphin, Enfin/2 used to have..) > > Such tools are such valuable time savers. > > > > > > From: giorgio ferraris <giorgio.ferraris(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, 2 February 2025 6:12 PM > To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> > Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: "Book release: Application Building with Spec 2.0" â New blog post on all: objects all: theTime > > > > Thanks for writing the book, Stefan (and all the other guys) > > > > ciao > > > > giorgio > > > > On Sat, Feb 1, 2025 at 5:07â¯PM stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > Thanks. > > Writing this book was a daunting huge difficult exhausting task that took me around 4 years or more. > > > > This publisher is managed using a not so great Php software and I can tell you that you can feel it when > > you have to manage the books. > > > > S > > > > On 30 Jan 2025, at 17:51, giorgio ferraris <giorgio.ferraris(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > hello!, > > > > Thank you for the answer, I ordered the book today, please note that it still seems that is written in French. > > > > happy smalltalking > > > > > > giorgio > > > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 1:23â¯PM Koen De Hondt <koen(a)all-objects-all-the-time.st> wrote: > > Hi Giorgio, > > > > Thank you for reporting the issue. > > > > Yes, it is an error. We saw it a few days ago, but it has not been fixed yet. > > > > Best regards, > > Koen > > > > On 7 Nov 2024, at 12:27, giorgio ferraris <giorgio.ferraris(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > hello, > > > > The Amazon site says that the language is French. Is that an error? > > > > thanks > > > > ciao > > > > giorgio > > > > <Screenshot 2024-11-07 at 12.25.47.png> > > > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 6:32â¯AM Koen De Hondt <koen(a)all-objects-all-the-time.st> wrote: > > Dear Pharo users and developers, > > > > It required an enormous effort to review, rewrite, and extend it, but I am happy to announce that it is finally here: the book on application building in Pharo with Spec 2.0. > > > > I wrote a blog post about it. Happy reading! > > > > Ciao, > > Koen > > > > > > StÃ©phane Ducasse > http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr > 06 30 93 66 73 > > "If you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do differently? ....ESPECIALLY if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth.â Calvin & Hobbes > > > >

Feb. 13, 2025

Re: "Book release: Application Building with Spec 2.0" â New blog post on all: objects all: theTime

by mark.odonoghue.2010＠gmail.com

Congratulation Stephane on completing this book. I feel it is crucial. It removes a major hurdle for new, part time and/or returning programmers to get the UI they need for their Pharo programs. For me, it also helps me advocating for Pharo with my colleagues. Cheers Mark PS Now if some clever person could write a UI builder that would be even better! (eg like Dolphin, Enfin/2 used to have..) Such tools are such valuable time savers. From: giorgio ferraris <giorgio.ferraris(a)gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, 2 February 2025 6:12 PM To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: "Book release: Application Building with Spec 2.0" â New blog post on all: objects all: theTime Thanks for writing the book, Stefan (and all the other guys) ciao giorgio On Sat, Feb 1, 2025 at 5:07â¯PM stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr <mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> > wrote: Thanks. Writing this book was a daunting huge difficult exhausting task that took me around 4 years or more. This publisher is managed using a not so great Php software and I can tell you that you can feel it when you have to manage the books. S On 30 Jan 2025, at 17:51, giorgio ferraris <giorgio.ferraris(a)gmail.com <mailto:giorgio.ferraris@gmail.com> > wrote: hello!, Thank you for the answer, I ordered the book today, please note that it still seems that is written in French. happy smalltalking giorgio On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 1:23â¯PM Koen De Hondt <koen(a)all-objects-all-the-time.st <mailto:koen@all-objects-all-the-time.st> > wrote: Hi Giorgio, Thank you for reporting the issue. Yes, it is an error. We saw it a few days ago, but it has not been fixed yet. Best regards, Koen On 7 Nov 2024, at 12:27, giorgio ferraris <giorgio.ferraris(a)gmail.com <mailto:giorgio.ferraris@gmail.com> > wrote: hello, The Amazon site says that the language is French. Is that an error? thanks ciao giorgio <Screenshot 2024-11-07 at 12.25.47.png> On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 6:32â¯AM Koen De Hondt <koen(a)all-objects-all-the-time.st <mailto:koen@all-objects-all-the-time.st> > wrote: Dear Pharo users and developers, It required an enormous effort to review, rewrite, and extend it, but I am happy to announce that it is finally here: the book on application building in Pharo with Spec 2.0. I wrote a blog post about it <https://all-objects-all-the-time.st/#/blog/posts/9> . Happy reading! Ciao, Koen StÃ©phane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr 06 30 93 66 73 "If you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do differently? ....ESPECIALLY if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth.â Calvin & Hobbes

Feb. 12, 2025