February 2025 - Pharo-users

Re: Pharo on Bluesky and Mastodon

by peter＠pbkresearch.co.uk

I donât know how I have been copied into this thread. I have not posted anything on this topic, because I donât understand what itâs all about. It looks as though Stephane Ducasse wrote to thank me for renewing my membership, and somehow my name was repeated in later posts. Please, Esteban, why are you sending me threats? As I said, I have not posted anything in this thread. Peter Kenny From: Esteban Lorenzano via Pharo-users <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> Sent: 19 February 2025 21:23 To: Peter Kenny <peter(a)pbkresearch.co.uk> Cc: Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)netc.eu> Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: Pharo on Bluesky and Mastodon lol, "far left". Far left is to consider that we need a revolution to overthrown the ruling class (the the bourgeoisie) in order to socialize de means of production. Not to consider that every human being has the right to consider themselves as they please and makes them feel more in sync with the world, without being abused by people that believes they have the right to judge others choices. But go ahead, "leftist"... what else you consider is a perfectly acceptable opinion ? (Is just a rhetorical question, I really do not want to hear your opinions). No wonder why you feel better at twitter than any other option... but hey, we are not forbidding you to go deep in that shithole and express your ''leftist' self there along with all the other leftists that hang along with Elon Musk and other fascists (or alike) like him. Esteban ps: another "perfectly reasonable" opinion like that and you will get a ban from our lists, not just from bluesky. But don't worry, you will be able to go and protest to twitter. On 2/19/25 22:05, Steve Quezadas wrote: The pharo community is going the way of the python community. Where perfectly acceptable political opinions ("trans women are not real women") are suppressed under the guise of "breaks community standards".I've noticed more and more programming groups have gone so far left because of echo chamber feedback loops. They, as a result, don't see how crazy they make themselves look to normal people. People who disagree with your political opinions are not "nazis". You are being unfair to the 50% of people who have a differing opinion. On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23â¯AM sducasseatwork--- via Pharo-users <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> > wrote: Hello steven We have a great community and we should not throw away the baby with the water of the bath (sorry for english readers I do not know if the direct translation of a french expression makes any sense but you can probably get it). We will do what we want and do not care about people that do not contribute and not in a positive mindset. Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because it is a great and fun system. I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo. No need to reply to this thread because I put a filter to trash any emails :) S, On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou <steven.costiou(a)kloum.io <mailto:steven.costiou@kloum.io> > wrote: This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and their only contribution is to jump into discussions to fight anything related to people wanting to be safe from their bullshit. He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for the code convenant stuff. He is doing this right now again. The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong political opinion", "tolerant", "leftist"... just all the nazi words they try to impose in community discussions. Once we accept, we lose. Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis. So why are we tolerating this? He is not even contributing to Pharo. Between this and the guy who harasses my students at ESUG, I wonder what fucking bullshit community we have become. I have nothing to do anymore in this community. Steven. Le 19/02/2025 Ã 11:06, Steve Quezadas a Ã©crit : Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself. On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name <mailto:norbert@hartl.name> > wrote: I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have. Norbert Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas < <mailto:steveeq1@gmail.com> steveeq1(a)gmail.com>: Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints. On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas <offray.luna(a)mutabit.com <mailto:offray.luna@mutabit.com> > wrote: Thanks a lot. It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus and having better forms to connect. Cheers, Offray On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote: > Hello, > > Bluesky: > https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social > > We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!) > > https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject > > > Marcus

Feb. 19, 2025

Re: Pharo on Bluesky and Mastodon

by Steve Quezadas

I generally skew left on social programs, but have conservative opinions on monetary policy, for instance. However, I am deeply concerned how the far left shuts down any political debate that even slightly disagree with their viewpoint and ban people for stating otherwise. Calling someone "nazi" and 'fascist" or saying "trans women are not real women" is an example of this. On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:23â¯PM Esteban Lorenzano via Pharo-users < pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: > lol, "far left". > > Far left is to consider that we need a revolution to overthrown the ruling > class (the the bourgeoisie) in order to socialize de means of production. > Not to consider that every human being has the right to consider themselves > as they please and makes them feel more in sync with the world, without > being abused by people that believes they have the right to judge others > choices. > > But go ahead, "leftist"... what else you consider is a perfectly > acceptable opinion ? (Is just a rhetorical question, I really do not want > to hear your opinions). No wonder why you feel better at twitter than any > other option... but hey, we are not forbidding you to go deep in that > shithole and express your ''leftist' self there along with all the other > leftists that hang along with Elon Musk and other fascists (or alike) like > him. > > Esteban > > ps: another "perfectly reasonable" opinion like that and you will get a > ban from our lists, not just from bluesky. But don't worry, you will be > able to go and protest to twitter. > On 2/19/25 22:05, Steve Quezadas wrote: > > The pharo community is going the way of the python community. Where > perfectly acceptable political opinions ("trans women are not real women") > are suppressed under the guise of "breaks community standards".I've noticed > more and more programming groups have gone so far left because of echo > chamber feedback loops. They, as a result, don't see how crazy they make > themselves look to normal people. > > People who disagree with your political opinions are not "nazis". You are > being unfair to the 50% of people who have a differing opinion. > > On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23â¯AM sducasseatwork--- via Pharo-users < > pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: > >> Hello steven >> >> We have a great community and we should not throw away the baby with the >> water of the bath (sorry for english readers >> I do not know if the direct translation of a french expression makes any >> sense but you can probably get it). >> >> We will do what we want and do not care about people that do not >> contribute and not in a positive mindset. >> Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because it is a great and fun >> system. >> >> I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo. >> >> No need to reply to this thread because I put a filter to trash any >> emails :) >> >> S, >> >> On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou <steven.costiou(a)kloum.io> wrote: >> >> This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and their only >> contribution is to jump into discussions to fight anything related to >> people wanting to be safe from their bullshit. >> >> He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for the code >> convenant stuff. >> He is doing this right now again. >> >> The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong political opinion", >> "tolerant", "leftist"... just all the nazi words they try to impose in >> community discussions. >> Once we accept, we lose. >> >> Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis. >> So why are we tolerating this? He is not even contributing to Pharo. >> >> Between this and the guy who harasses my students at ESUG, I wonder what >> fucking bullshit community we have become. >> >> I have nothing to do anymore in this community. >> >> Steven. >> >> Le 19/02/2025 Ã 11:06, Steve Quezadas a Ã©crit : >> >> Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more >> tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself. >> >> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >> >>> I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong >>> political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not >>> so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have. >>> >>> Norbert >>> >>> Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas <steveeq1(a)gmail.com>: >>> >>> Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong >>> political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints. >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas < >>> offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks a lot. >>>> >>>> It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus >>>> and having better forms to connect. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Offray >>>> >>>> On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote: >>>> > Hello, >>>> > >>>> > Bluesky: >>>> > https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social >>>> > >>>> > We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!) >>>> > >>>> > https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Marcus >>>> >>> >>> >>

Feb. 19, 2025

Re: Pharo on Bluesky and Mastodon

by Richard O'Keefe

Pharo people should go on whatever social media Pharo people want to go on. I shall not follow because social media seem to bring out the worst in people whatever the topic or platform. I am thrilled to the very socks with this mailing list and deeply grateful to the Pharo developers for the time and effort they put into Pharo and here. I only fear that antisocial media will dilute that effort, because Ducasse et al may be superhuman, their time is still linited. On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 at 10:37â¯PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong > political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not > so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have. > > Norbert > > Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas <steveeq1(a)gmail.com>: > > Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong > political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints. > > On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas < > offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> wrote: > >> Thanks a lot. >> >> It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus >> and having better forms to connect. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Offray >> >> On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote: >> > Hello, >> > >> > Bluesky: >> > https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social >> > >> > We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!) >> > >> > https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject >> > >> > >> > Marcus >> > >

Feb. 19, 2025

Re: Pharo on Bluesky and Mastodon

by Esteban Lorenzano

lol, "far left". Far left is to consider that we need a revolution to overthrown the ruling class (the the bourgeoisie) in order to socialize de means of production. Not to consider that every human being has the right to consider themselves as they please and makes them feel more in sync with the world, without being abused by people that believes they have the right to judge others choices. But go ahead, "leftist"... what else you consider is a perfectly acceptable opinion ? (Is just a rhetorical question, I really do not want to hear your opinions). No wonder why you feel better at twitter than any other option... but hey, we are not forbidding you to go deep in that shithole and express your ''leftist' self there along with all the other leftists that hang along with Elon Musk and other fascists (or alike) like him. Esteban ps: another "perfectly reasonable" opinion like that and you will get a ban from our lists, not just from bluesky. But don't worry, you will be able to go and protest to twitter. On 2/19/25 22:05, Steve Quezadas wrote: > The pharo community is going the way of the python community. Where > perfectly acceptable political opinions ("trans women are not real > women") are suppressed under the guise of "breaks community > standards".I've noticed more and more programming groups have gone so > far left because of echo chamber feedback loops. They, as a result, > don't see how crazy they make themselves look to normal people. > > People who disagree with your political opinions are not "nazis". You > are being unfair to the 50% of people who have a differing opinion. > > On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23â¯AM sducasseatwork--- via Pharo-users > <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: > > Hello steven > > We have a great community and we should not throw away the baby > with the water of the bath (sorry for english readers > I do not know if the direct translation of a french expression > makes any sense but you can probably get it). > > We will do what we want and do not care about people that do not > contribute and not in a positive mindset. > Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because it is a great > and fun system. > > I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo. > > No need to reply to this thread because I put a filter to trash > any emails :) > > S, > >> On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou >> <steven.costiou(a)kloum.io> wrote: >> >> This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and their only >> contribution is to jump into discussions to fight anything >> related to people wanting to be safe from their bullshit. >> >> He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for the code >> convenant stuff. >> He is doing this right now again. >> >> The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong political >> opinion", "tolerant", "leftist"... just all the nazi words they >> try to impose in community discussions. >> Once we accept, we lose. >> >> Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis. >> So why are we tolerating this? He is not even contributing to Pharo. >> >> Between this and the guy who harasses my students at ESUG, I >> wonder what fucking bullshit community we have become. >> >> I have nothing to do anymore in this community. >> >> Steven. >> >> >> Le 19/02/2025 Ã 11:06, Steve Quezadas a Ã©critÂ : >>> Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR >>> more tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself. >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl >>> <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >>> >>> I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with >>> the "wrong political opinion". It works either way. The way >>> you experience it is not so much an artefact of the social >>> media platform but the mindset you have. >>> >>> Norbert >>> >>>> Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas >>>> <steveeq1(a)gmail.com>: >>>> >>>> Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the >>>> wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to >>>> differing viewpoints. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna >>>> CÃ¡rdenas <offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks a lot. >>>> >>>> It's refreshing to see more people participating the so >>>> called #eXodus >>>> and having better forms to connect. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Offray >>>> >>>> On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote: >>>> > Hello, >>>> > >>>> > Bluesky: >>>> > https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social >>>> > >>>> > We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!) >>>> > >>>> > https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >Â Â Â Â Marcus >>>> >>> >

Feb. 19, 2025

Re: Pharo on Bluesky and Mastodon

by Steve Quezadas

The pharo community is going the way of the python community. Where perfectly acceptable political opinions ("trans women are not real women") are suppressed under the guise of "breaks community standards".I've noticed more and more programming groups have gone so far left because of echo chamber feedback loops. They, as a result, don't see how crazy they make themselves look to normal people. People who disagree with your political opinions are not "nazis". You are being unfair to the 50% of people who have a differing opinion. On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23â¯AM sducasseatwork--- via Pharo-users < pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: > Hello steven > > We have a great community and we should not throw away the baby with the > water of the bath (sorry for english readers > I do not know if the direct translation of a french expression makes any > sense but you can probably get it). > > We will do what we want and do not care about people that do not > contribute and not in a positive mindset. > Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because it is a great and fun > system. > > I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo. > > No need to reply to this thread because I put a filter to trash any emails > :) > > S, > > On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou <steven.costiou(a)kloum.io> wrote: > > This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and their only > contribution is to jump into discussions to fight anything related to > people wanting to be safe from their bullshit. > > He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for the code convenant > stuff. > He is doing this right now again. > > The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong political opinion", > "tolerant", "leftist"... just all the nazi words they try to impose in > community discussions. > Once we accept, we lose. > > Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis. > So why are we tolerating this? He is not even contributing to Pharo. > > Between this and the guy who harasses my students at ESUG, I wonder what > fucking bullshit community we have become. > > I have nothing to do anymore in this community. > > Steven. > > Le 19/02/2025 Ã 11:06, Steve Quezadas a Ã©crit : > > Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more > tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself. > > On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > >> I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong >> political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not >> so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have. >> >> Norbert >> >> Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas <steveeq1(a)gmail.com>: >> >> Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong >> political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints. >> >> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas < >> offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> wrote: >> >>> Thanks a lot. >>> >>> It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus >>> and having better forms to connect. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Offray >>> >>> On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote: >>> > Hello, >>> > >>> > Bluesky: >>> > https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social >>> > >>> > We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!) >>> > >>> > https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject >>> > >>> > >>> > Marcus >>> >> >> >

Feb. 19, 2025

Re: Pharo on Bluesky and Mastodon

by sducasseatwork＠mailo.com

Hello steven We have a great community and we should not throw away the baby with the water of the bath (sorry for english readers I do not know if the direct translation of a french expression makes any sense but you can probably get it). We will do what we want and do not care about people that do not contribute and not in a positive mindset. Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because it is a great and fun system. I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo. No need to reply to this thread because I put a filter to trash any emails :) S, > On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou <steven.costiou(a)kloum.io> wrote: > > This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and their only contribution is to jump into discussions to fight anything related to people wanting to be safe from their bullshit. > > He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for the code convenant stuff. > He is doing this right now again. > > The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong political opinion", "tolerant", "leftist"... just all the nazi words they try to impose in community discussions. > Once we accept, we lose. > > Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis. > So why are we tolerating this? He is not even contributing to Pharo. > > Between this and the guy who harasses my students at ESUG, I wonder what fucking bullshit community we have become. > > I have nothing to do anymore in this community. > > Steven. > > > Le 19/02/2025 Ã 11:06, Steve Quezadas a Ã©crit : >> Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself. >> >> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name <mailto:norbert@hartl.name>> wrote: >>> I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have. >>> >>> Norbert >>> >>>> Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas <steveeq1(a)gmail.com <mailto:steveeq1@gmail.com>>: >>>> >>>> Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas <offray.luna(a)mutabit.com <mailto:offray.luna@mutabit.com>> wrote: >>>>> Thanks a lot. >>>>> >>>>> It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus >>>>> and having better forms to connect. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Offray >>>>> >>>>> On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote: >>>>> > Hello, >>>>> > >>>>> > Bluesky: >>>>> > https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social >>>>> > >>>>> > We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!) >>>>> > >>>>> > https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Marcus >>>

Feb. 19, 2025

Re: Pharo on Bluesky and Mastodon

by sducasseatwork＠mailo.com

Please respect the choice of the board. If you do not like it, just drop of the list. S > Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself. > > On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name <mailto:norbert@hartl.name>> wrote: >> I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have. >> >> Norbert >> >>> Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas <steveeq1(a)gmail.com <mailto:steveeq1@gmail.com>>: >>> >>> Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints. >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas <offray.luna(a)mutabit.com <mailto:offray.luna@mutabit.com>> wrote: >>>> Thanks a lot. >>>> >>>> It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus >>>> and having better forms to connect. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Offray >>>> >>>> On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote: >>>> > Hello, >>>> > >>>> > Bluesky: >>>> > https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social >>>> > >>>> > We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!) >>>> > >>>> > https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Marcus >>

Feb. 19, 2025

Re: Pharo on Bluesky and Mastodon

by Steve Quezadas

Yes, call anyone that disagrees with your political viewpoints "nazis". Actual nazis ripped people from their homes and murdered millions. Stop being so dramatic. No one is going to take you seriously until you come and join the rest of us in reality. On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 2:35â¯AM Steven Costiou <steven.costiou(a)kloum.io> wrote: > This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and their only > contribution is to jump into discussions to fight anything related to > people wanting to be safe from their bullshit. > > He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for the code convenant > stuff. > He is doing this right now again. > > The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong political opinion", > "tolerant", "leftist"... just all the nazi words they try to impose in > community discussions. > Once we accept, we lose. > > Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis. > So why are we tolerating this? He is not even contributing to Pharo. > > Between this and the guy who harasses my students at ESUG, I wonder what > fucking bullshit community we have become. > > I have nothing to do anymore in this community. > > Steven. > > Le 19/02/2025 Ã 11:06, Steve Quezadas a Ã©crit : > > Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more > tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself. > > On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > >> I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong >> political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not >> so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have. >> >> Norbert >> >> Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas <steveeq1(a)gmail.com>: >> >> Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong >> political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints. >> >> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas < >> offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> wrote: >> >>> Thanks a lot. >>> >>> It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus >>> and having better forms to connect. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Offray >>> >>> On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote: >>> > Hello, >>> > >>> > Bluesky: >>> > https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social >>> > >>> > We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!) >>> > >>> > https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject >>> > >>> > >>> > Marcus >>> >> >>

Feb. 19, 2025

Re: Pharo on Bluesky and Mastodon

by Steven Costiou

This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and their only contribution is to jump into discussions to fight anything related to people wanting to be safe from their bullshit. He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for the code convenant stuff. He is doing this right now again. The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong political opinion", "tolerant", "leftist"... just all the nazi words they try to impose in community discussions. Once we accept, we lose. Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis. So why are we tolerating this? He is not even contributing to Pharo. Between this and the guy who harasses my students at ESUG, I wonder what fucking bullshit community we have become. I have nothing to do anymore in this community. Steven. Le 19/02/2025 Ã 11:06, Steve Quezadas a Ã©critÂ : > Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more > tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself. > > On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > > I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the > "wrong political opinion". It works either way. The way you > experience it is not so much an artefact of the social media > platform but the mindset you have. > > Norbert > >> Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas <steveeq1(a)gmail.com>: >> >> Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong >> political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing >> viewpoints. >> >> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas >> <offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> wrote: >> >> Thanks a lot. >> >> It's refreshing to see more people participating the so >> called #eXodus >> and having better forms to connect. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Offray >> >> On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote: >> > Hello, >> > >> > Bluesky: >> > https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social >> > >> > We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!) >> > >> > https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject >> > >> > >> >Â Â Â Â Marcus >> >

Feb. 19, 2025

Re: Pharo on Bluesky and Mastodon

by Steve Quezadas

Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself. On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong > political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not > so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have. > > Norbert > > Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas <steveeq1(a)gmail.com>: > > Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong > political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints. > > On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas < > offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> wrote: > >> Thanks a lot. >> >> It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus >> and having better forms to connect. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Offray >> >> On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote: >> > Hello, >> > >> > Bluesky: >> > https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social >> > >> > We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!) >> > >> > https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject >> > >> > >> > Marcus >> > >

Feb. 19, 2025