February 2025 - Pharo-users

Re: Pharo on Bluesky and Mastodon

by Steve Quezadas

Does anyone physically know this Steven Costiou person? Honest question, is he mentally ill? Reason I am asking is that he knows nothing about me, but immediately brands me as "nazi" based off of two things I said: - I like Elon Musk - I don't like BlueSky He seems serious about it too. My guess is that he's "terminally online" and has formed a very warped perception of reality due to too much exposure to social media echo chambers (aka "brain rot"). But maybe i'm wrong and there's something I'm missing here. - Steve On Thu, Feb 20, 2025 at 1:00â¯AM Steven Costiou <steven.costiou(a)kloum.io> wrote: > Go fuck yourself with Hitler! > > It's going to be political because we want it, and because we want NAZIS > OUT! > > I mean, try to be clever for once: everybody knows the play of "it's > purely technical", "we must be neutral and accept all political views", > "everybody is welcome", all that to actually shutdown any discussion (and > so the leftists are the one cancelling your opinions...good joke...). > > No it's not purely technical, no we're not neutral, NO EVERYBODY IS NOT > WELCOME! ESPECIALLY NOT NAZIS. > > > > Le 20/02/2025 Ã 09:51, dave(a)radpac.co.za a Ã©crit : > > All Pharo users should be here. Political views, including yours, have no > place here. > > Keep the discussion 100% Pharo. This a purely technical group. We should > have no interest in each others political views. Even Hitler himself could > participate. > > Kind Regards > Dave Langley > > On 20/02/2025 10:36, Steven Costiou wrote: > > Can we ban him already? > > Is this not proof enough that he's on the nazi side?? > > Are we "tolerating nazis"??? > > > Le 20/02/2025 Ã 03:16, Steve Quezadas a Ã©crit : > > There is no evidence that elon Musk is a "nazi" and i am baffled that > seemingly everyone on this list thinks he is. There is ZERO evidence. Also, > I am a big fan of his. I admire him greatly. And I am no adolf hitler fan > either. > > On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 4:59â¯PM Harald <harald.vicaire.pro(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hello pharoers, here are my 2 cents: >> >> Billionaires should not exist. >> Elon musk is a nazi & billionaire, 2 good reasons to avoid giving him any >> money, so fuck twitter/x. >> I don't know much about bluesky but that it's funded by private investors >> so it will likely become another twitter one day, because the capital >> always support the fascists. >> >> Cheers >> >> On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, 12:48 Richard Sargent, < >> richard.sargent(a)gemtalksystems.com> wrote: >> >>> Perhaps we can return to the original assertion: >>> " Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong >>> political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints. " >>> >>> That has nothing to do with Pharo, so I for one would rather not see >>> non-Pharo discussions on Pharo lists/channels/fora/whatever. >>> >>> Perhaps, you could take your political discussions, your gender >>> discussions, your sexuality discussions, etc. to some other, more relevant >>> forum. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:06â¯PM Steve Quezadas <steveeq1(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> The pharo community is going the way of the python community. Where >>>> perfectly acceptable political opinions ("trans women are not real women") >>>> are suppressed under the guise of "breaks community standards".I've noticed >>>> more and more programming groups have gone so far left because of echo >>>> chamber feedback loops. They, as a result, don't see how crazy they make >>>> themselves look to normal people. >>>> >>>> People who disagree with your political opinions are not "nazis". You >>>> are being unfair to the 50% of people who have a differing opinion. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23â¯AM sducasseatwork--- via Pharo-users < >>>> pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello steven >>>>> >>>>> We have a great community and we should not throw away the baby with >>>>> the water of the bath (sorry for english readers >>>>> I do not know if the direct translation of a french expression makes >>>>> any sense but you can probably get it). >>>>> >>>>> We will do what we want and do not care about people that do not >>>>> contribute and not in a positive mindset. >>>>> Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because it is a great and >>>>> fun system. >>>>> >>>>> I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo. >>>>> >>>>> No need to reply to this thread because I put a filter to trash any >>>>> emails :) >>>>> >>>>> S, >>>>> >>>>> On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou <steven.costiou(a)kloum.io> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and their only >>>>> contribution is to jump into discussions to fight anything related to >>>>> people wanting to be safe from their bullshit. >>>>> >>>>> He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for the code >>>>> convenant stuff. >>>>> He is doing this right now again. >>>>> >>>>> The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong political >>>>> opinion", "tolerant", "leftist"... just all the nazi words they try to >>>>> impose in community discussions. >>>>> Once we accept, we lose. >>>>> >>>>> Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis. >>>>> So why are we tolerating this? He is not even contributing to Pharo. >>>>> >>>>> Between this and the guy who harasses my students at ESUG, I wonder >>>>> what fucking bullshit community we have become. >>>>> >>>>> I have nothing to do anymore in this community. >>>>> >>>>> Steven. >>>>> >>>>> Le 19/02/2025 Ã 11:06, Steve Quezadas a Ã©crit : >>>>> >>>>> Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more >>>>> tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong >>>>>> political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not >>>>>> so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have. >>>>>> >>>>>> Norbert >>>>>> >>>>>> Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas <steveeq1(a)gmail.com>: >>>>>> >>>>>> Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong >>>>>> political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas < >>>>>> offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks a lot. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called >>>>>>> #eXodus >>>>>>> and having better forms to connect. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Offray >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote: >>>>>>> > Hello, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Bluesky: >>>>>>> > https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!) >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Marcus >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >

Feb. 20, 2025

Re: Pharo on Bluesky and Mastodon

by Steve Quezadas

Do you honestly think I'm a "nazi"? And Elon Musk too? If so, you have lost touch with reality! I blame social media, it causes brain rot. BlueSky makes it worse because it only shows one side of the debate while twitter shows multiple perspectives. On Thu, Feb 20, 2025 at 1:10â¯AM <dave(a)radpac.co.za> wrote: > Time to grow up and focus on the purpose of this list. > > Kind Regards > Dave Langley > > On 20/02/2025 10:59, Steven Costiou wrote: > > Go fuck yourself with Hitler! > > It's going to be political because we want it, and because we want NAZIS > OUT! > > I mean, try to be clever for once: everybody knows the play of "it's > purely technical", "we must be neutral and accept all political views", > "everybody is welcome", all that to actually shutdown any discussion (and > so the leftists are the one cancelling your opinions...good joke...). > > No it's not purely technical, no we're not neutral, NO EVERYBODY IS NOT > WELCOME! ESPECIALLY NOT NAZIS. > > > > Le 20/02/2025 Ã 09:51, dave(a)radpac.co.za a Ã©crit : > > All Pharo users should be here. Political views, including yours, have no > place here. > > Keep the discussion 100% Pharo. This a purely technical group. We should > have no interest in each others political views. Even Hitler himself could > participate. > > Kind Regards > Dave Langley > > On 20/02/2025 10:36, Steven Costiou wrote: > > Can we ban him already? > > Is this not proof enough that he's on the nazi side?? > > Are we "tolerating nazis"??? > > > Le 20/02/2025 Ã 03:16, Steve Quezadas a Ã©crit : > > There is no evidence that elon Musk is a "nazi" and i am baffled that > seemingly everyone on this list thinks he is. There is ZERO evidence. Also, > I am a big fan of his. I admire him greatly. And I am no adolf hitler fan > either. > > On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 4:59â¯PM Harald <harald.vicaire.pro(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hello pharoers, here are my 2 cents: >> >> Billionaires should not exist. >> Elon musk is a nazi & billionaire, 2 good reasons to avoid giving him any >> money, so fuck twitter/x. >> I don't know much about bluesky but that it's funded by private investors >> so it will likely become another twitter one day, because the capital >> always support the fascists. >> >> Cheers >> >> On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, 12:48 Richard Sargent, < >> richard.sargent(a)gemtalksystems.com> wrote: >> >>> Perhaps we can return to the original assertion: >>> " Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong >>> political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints. " >>> >>> That has nothing to do with Pharo, so I for one would rather not see >>> non-Pharo discussions on Pharo lists/channels/fora/whatever. >>> >>> Perhaps, you could take your political discussions, your gender >>> discussions, your sexuality discussions, etc. to some other, more relevant >>> forum. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:06â¯PM Steve Quezadas <steveeq1(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> The pharo community is going the way of the python community. Where >>>> perfectly acceptable political opinions ("trans women are not real women") >>>> are suppressed under the guise of "breaks community standards".I've noticed >>>> more and more programming groups have gone so far left because of echo >>>> chamber feedback loops. They, as a result, don't see how crazy they make >>>> themselves look to normal people. >>>> >>>> People who disagree with your political opinions are not "nazis". You >>>> are being unfair to the 50% of people who have a differing opinion. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23â¯AM sducasseatwork--- via Pharo-users < >>>> pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello steven >>>>> >>>>> We have a great community and we should not throw away the baby with >>>>> the water of the bath (sorry for english readers >>>>> I do not know if the direct translation of a french expression makes >>>>> any sense but you can probably get it). >>>>> >>>>> We will do what we want and do not care about people that do not >>>>> contribute and not in a positive mindset. >>>>> Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because it is a great and >>>>> fun system. >>>>> >>>>> I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo. >>>>> >>>>> No need to reply to this thread because I put a filter to trash any >>>>> emails :) >>>>> >>>>> S, >>>>> >>>>> On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou <steven.costiou(a)kloum.io> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and their only >>>>> contribution is to jump into discussions to fight anything related to >>>>> people wanting to be safe from their bullshit. >>>>> >>>>> He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for the code >>>>> convenant stuff. >>>>> He is doing this right now again. >>>>> >>>>> The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong political >>>>> opinion", "tolerant", "leftist"... just all the nazi words they try to >>>>> impose in community discussions. >>>>> Once we accept, we lose. >>>>> >>>>> Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis. >>>>> So why are we tolerating this? He is not even contributing to Pharo. >>>>> >>>>> Between this and the guy who harasses my students at ESUG, I wonder >>>>> what fucking bullshit community we have become. >>>>> >>>>> I have nothing to do anymore in this community. >>>>> >>>>> Steven. >>>>> >>>>> Le 19/02/2025 Ã 11:06, Steve Quezadas a Ã©crit : >>>>> >>>>> Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more >>>>> tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong >>>>>> political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not >>>>>> so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have. >>>>>> >>>>>> Norbert >>>>>> >>>>>> Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas <steveeq1(a)gmail.com>: >>>>>> >>>>>> Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong >>>>>> political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas < >>>>>> offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks a lot. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called >>>>>>> #eXodus >>>>>>> and having better forms to connect. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Offray >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote: >>>>>>> > Hello, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Bluesky: >>>>>>> > https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!) >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Marcus >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> > >

Feb. 20, 2025

Re: Pharo on Bluesky and Mastodon

by dave＠radpac.co.za

Time to grow up and focus on the purpose of this list. Kind Regards Dave Langley On 20/02/2025 10:59, Steven Costiou wrote: > > Go fuck yourself with Hitler! > > It's going to be political because we want it, and because we want > NAZIS OUT! > > I mean, try to be clever for once:Â everybody knows the play of "it's > purely technical", "we must be neutral and accept all political > views", "everybody is welcome", all that to actually shutdown any > discussion (and so the leftists are the one cancelling your > opinions...good joke...). > > No it's not purely technical, no we're not neutral, NO EVERYBODY IS > NOT WELCOME! ESPECIALLY NOT NAZIS. > > > > Le 20/02/2025 Ã 09:51, dave(a)radpac.co.za a Ã©critÂ : >> All Pharo users should be here. Political views, including yours, >> have no place here. >> >> Keep the discussion 100% Pharo. This a purely technical group. We >> should have no interest in each others political views. Even Hitler >> himself could participate. >> Kind Regards >> Dave Langley >> On 20/02/2025 10:36, Steven Costiou wrote: >>> >>> Can we ban him already? >>> >>> Is this not proof enough that he's on the nazi side?? >>> >>> Are we "tolerating nazis"??? >>> >>> >>> Le 20/02/2025 Ã 03:16, Steve Quezadas a Ã©critÂ : >>>> There is no evidence that elon Musk is a "nazi" and i am baffled >>>> that seemingly everyone on this list thinks he is. There is ZERO >>>> evidence. Also, I am a big fan of his. I admire him greatly. And I >>>> am no adolf hitler fan either. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 4:59â¯PM Harald >>>> <harald.vicaire.pro(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello pharoers, here are my 2 cents: >>>> >>>> Billionaires should not exist. >>>> Elon musk is a nazi & billionaire, 2 good reasons to avoid >>>> giving him any money, so fuck twitter/x. >>>> I don't know much about bluesky but that it's funded by private >>>> investors so it will likely become another twitter one day, >>>> because the capital always support the fascists. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, 12:48 Richard Sargent, >>>> <richard.sargent(a)gemtalksystems.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Perhaps we can return to the original assertion: >>>> " Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having >>>> the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to >>>> differing viewpoints.Â " >>>> >>>> That has nothing to do with Pharo, so I for one would >>>> rather not see non-Pharo discussions on Pharo >>>> lists/channels/fora/whatever. >>>> >>>> Perhaps, you could take your political discussions, your >>>> gender discussions, your sexuality discussions, etc. to >>>> some other, more relevant forum. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:06â¯PM Steve Quezadas >>>> <steveeq1(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> The pharo community is going the way of the python >>>> community. Where perfectly acceptable political >>>> opinions ("trans women are not real women") are >>>> suppressed under the guise of "breaks community >>>> standards".I've noticed more and more programming >>>> groups have gone so far left because of echo chamber >>>> feedback loops. They, as a result, don't see how crazy >>>> they make themselves look to normal people. >>>> >>>> People who disagree with your political opinions are >>>> not "nazis". You are being unfair to the 50% of people >>>> who have a differing opinion. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23â¯AM sducasseatwork--- via >>>> Pharo-users <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello steven >>>> >>>> We have a great community and we should not throw >>>> away the baby with the water of the bath (sorry for >>>> english readers >>>> I do not know if the direct translation of a french >>>> expression makes any sense but you can probably get >>>> it). >>>> >>>> We will do what we want and do not care about >>>> people that do not contribute and not in a positive >>>> mindset. >>>> Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because >>>> it is a great and fun system. >>>> >>>> I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo. >>>> >>>> No need to reply to this thread because I put a >>>> filter to trash any emails :) >>>> >>>> S, >>>> >>>>> On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou >>>>> <steven.costiou(a)kloum.io> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities >>>>> and their only contribution is to jump into >>>>> discussions to fight anything related to people >>>>> wanting to be safe from their bullshit. >>>>> >>>>> He did the same thing (with others) a few years >>>>> ago for the code convenant stuff. >>>>> He is doing this right now again. >>>>> >>>>> The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", >>>>> "wrong political opinion", "tolerant", >>>>> "leftist"... just all the nazi words they try to >>>>> impose in community discussions. >>>>> Once we accept, we lose. >>>>> >>>>> Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with >>>>> nazis. >>>>> So why are we tolerating this? He is not even >>>>> contributing to Pharo. >>>>> >>>>> Between this and the guy who harasses my students >>>>> at ESUG, I wonder what fucking bullshit community >>>>> we have become. >>>>> >>>>> I have nothing to do anymore in this community. >>>>> >>>>> Steven. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Le 19/02/2025 Ã 11:06, Steve Quezadas a Ã©critÂ : >>>>>> Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. >>>>>> Twitter is FAR more tolerant of differing >>>>>> viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl >>>>>> <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I heard enough stories the other way round >>>>>> being on X with the "wrong political >>>>>> opinion". It works either way. The way you >>>>>> experience it is not so much an artefact of >>>>>> the social media platform but the mindset you >>>>>> have. >>>>>> >>>>>> Norbert >>>>>> >>>>>>> Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve >>>>>>> Quezadas <steveeq1(a)gmail.com>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you >>>>>>> for having the wrong political opinion. >>>>>>> Twitter is much more open to differing >>>>>>> viewpoints. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray >>>>>>> Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas >>>>>>> <offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks a lot. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's refreshing to see more people >>>>>>> participating the so called #eXodus >>>>>>> and having better forms to connect. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Offray >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote: >>>>>>> > Hello, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Bluesky: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!) >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Â Marcus >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>

Feb. 20, 2025

Re: Pharo on Bluesky and Mastodon

by Steven Costiou

Go fuck yourself with Hitler! It's going to be political because we want it, and because we want NAZIS OUT! I mean, try to be clever for once:Â everybody knows the play of "it's purely technical", "we must be neutral and accept all political views", "everybody is welcome", all that to actually shutdown any discussion (and so the leftists are the one cancelling your opinions...good joke...). No it's not purely technical, no we're not neutral, NO EVERYBODY IS NOT WELCOME! ESPECIALLY NOT NAZIS. Le 20/02/2025 Ã 09:51, dave(a)radpac.co.za a Ã©critÂ : > All Pharo users should be here. Political views, including yours, have > no place here. > > Keep the discussion 100% Pharo. This a purely technical group. We > should have no interest in each others political views. Even Hitler > himself could participate. > Kind Regards > Dave Langley > On 20/02/2025 10:36, Steven Costiou wrote: >> >> Can we ban him already? >> >> Is this not proof enough that he's on the nazi side?? >> >> Are we "tolerating nazis"??? >> >> >> Le 20/02/2025 Ã 03:16, Steve Quezadas a Ã©critÂ : >>> There is no evidence that elon Musk is a "nazi" and i am baffled >>> that seemingly everyone on this list thinks he is. There is ZERO >>> evidence. Also, I am a big fan of his. I admire him greatly. And I >>> am no adolf hitler fan either. >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 4:59â¯PM Harald >>> <harald.vicaire.pro(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hello pharoers, here are my 2 cents: >>> >>> Billionaires should not exist. >>> Elon musk is a nazi & billionaire, 2 good reasons to avoid >>> giving him any money, so fuck twitter/x. >>> I don't know much about bluesky but that it's funded by private >>> investors so it will likely become another twitter one day, >>> because the capital always support the fascists. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, 12:48 Richard Sargent, >>> <richard.sargent(a)gemtalksystems.com> wrote: >>> >>> Perhaps we can return to the original assertion: >>> " Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having >>> the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to >>> differing viewpoints.Â " >>> >>> That has nothing to do with Pharo, so I for one would rather >>> not see non-Pharo discussions on Pharo >>> lists/channels/fora/whatever. >>> >>> Perhaps, you could take your political discussions, your >>> gender discussions, your sexuality discussions, etc. to some >>> other, more relevant forum. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:06â¯PM Steve Quezadas >>> <steveeq1(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> The pharo community is going the way of the python >>> community. Where perfectly acceptable political opinions >>> ("trans women are not real women") are suppressed under >>> the guise of "breaks community standards".I've noticed >>> more and more programming groups have gone so far left >>> because of echo chamber feedback loops. They, as a >>> result, don't see how crazy they make themselves look to >>> normal people. >>> >>> People who disagree with your political opinions are not >>> "nazis". You are being unfair to the 50% of people who >>> have a differing opinion. >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23â¯AM sducasseatwork--- via >>> Pharo-users <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: >>> >>> Hello steven >>> >>> We have a great community and we should not throw >>> away the baby with the water of the bath (sorry for >>> english readers >>> I do not know if the direct translation of a french >>> expression makes any sense but you can probably get >>> it). >>> >>> We will do what we want and do not care about people >>> that do not contribute and not in a positive mindset. >>> Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because >>> it is a great and fun system. >>> >>> I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo. >>> >>> No need to reply to this thread because I put a >>> filter to trash any emails :) >>> >>> S, >>> >>>> On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou >>>> <steven.costiou(a)kloum.io> wrote: >>>> >>>> This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities >>>> and their only contribution is to jump into >>>> discussions to fight anything related to people >>>> wanting to be safe from their bullshit. >>>> >>>> He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago >>>> for the code convenant stuff. >>>> He is doing this right now again. >>>> >>>> The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong >>>> political opinion", "tolerant", "leftist"... just >>>> all the nazi words they try to impose in community >>>> discussions. >>>> Once we accept, we lose. >>>> >>>> Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis. >>>> So why are we tolerating this? He is not even >>>> contributing to Pharo. >>>> >>>> Between this and the guy who harasses my students >>>> at ESUG, I wonder what fucking bullshit community >>>> we have become. >>>> >>>> I have nothing to do anymore in this community. >>>> >>>> Steven. >>>> >>>> >>>> Le 19/02/2025 Ã 11:06, Steve Quezadas a Ã©critÂ : >>>>> Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. >>>>> Twitter is FAR more tolerant of differing >>>>> viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl >>>>> <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I heard enough stories the other way round >>>>> being on X with the "wrong political opinion". >>>>> It works either way. The way you experience it >>>>> is not so much an artefact of the social media >>>>> platform but the mindset you have. >>>>> >>>>> Norbert >>>>> >>>>>> Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas >>>>>> <steveeq1(a)gmail.com>: >>>>>> >>>>>> Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you >>>>>> for having the wrong political opinion. >>>>>> Twitter is much more open to differing >>>>>> viewpoints. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray >>>>>> Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas >>>>>> <offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks a lot. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's refreshing to see more people >>>>>> participating the so called #eXodus >>>>>> and having better forms to connect. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> Offray >>>>>> >>>>>> On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote: >>>>>> > Hello, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Bluesky: >>>>>> > >>>>>> https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social >>>>>> > >>>>>> > We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!) >>>>>> > >>>>>> > https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Â Marcus >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >

Feb. 20, 2025

Re: Pharo on Bluesky and Mastodon

by dave＠radpac.co.za

All Pharo users should be here. Political views, including yours, have no place here. Keep the discussion 100% Pharo. This a purely technical group. We should have no interest in each others political views. Even Hitler himself could participate. Kind Regards Dave Langley On 20/02/2025 10:36, Steven Costiou wrote: > > Can we ban him already? > > Is this not proof enough that he's on the nazi side?? > > Are we "tolerating nazis"??? > > > Le 20/02/2025 Ã 03:16, Steve Quezadas a Ã©critÂ : >> There is no evidence that elon Musk is a "nazi" and i am baffled that >> seemingly everyone on this list thinks he is. There is ZERO evidence. >> Also, I am a big fan of his. I admire him greatly. And I am no adolf >> hitler fan either. >> >> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 4:59â¯PM Harald <harald.vicaire.pro(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Hello pharoers, here are my 2 cents: >> >> Billionaires should not exist. >> Elon musk is a nazi & billionaire, 2 good reasons to avoid giving >> him any money, so fuck twitter/x. >> I don't know much about bluesky but that it's funded by private >> investors so it will likely become another twitter one day, >> because the capital always support the fascists. >> >> Cheers >> >> >> On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, 12:48 Richard Sargent, >> <richard.sargent(a)gemtalksystems.com> wrote: >> >> Perhaps we can return to the original assertion: >> " Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the >> wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to >> differing viewpoints.Â " >> >> That has nothing to do with Pharo, so I for one would rather >> not see non-Pharo discussions on Pharo >> lists/channels/fora/whatever. >> >> Perhaps, you could take your political discussions, your >> gender discussions, your sexuality discussions, etc. to some >> other, more relevant forum. >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:06â¯PM Steve Quezadas >> <steveeq1(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> The pharo community is going the way of the python >> community. Where perfectly acceptable political opinions >> ("trans women are not real women") are suppressed under >> the guise of "breaks community standards".I've noticed >> more and more programming groups have gone so far left >> because of echo chamber feedback loops. They, as a >> result, don't see how crazy they make themselves look to >> normal people. >> >> People who disagree with your political opinions are not >> "nazis". You are being unfair to the 50% of people who >> have a differing opinion. >> >> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23â¯AM sducasseatwork--- via >> Pharo-users <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: >> >> Hello steven >> >> We have a great community and we should not throw >> away the baby with the water of the bath (sorry for >> english readers >> I do not know if the direct translation of a french >> expression makes any sense but you can probably get it). >> >> We will do what we want and do not care about people >> that do not contribute and not in a positive mindset. >> Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because >> it is a great and fun system. >> >> I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo. >> >> No need to reply to this thread because I put a >> filter to trash any emails :) >> >> S, >> >>> On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou >>> <steven.costiou(a)kloum.io> wrote: >>> >>> This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities >>> and their only contribution is to jump into >>> discussions to fight anything related to people >>> wanting to be safe from their bullshit. >>> >>> He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago >>> for the code convenant stuff. >>> He is doing this right now again. >>> >>> The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong >>> political opinion", "tolerant", "leftist"... just >>> all the nazi words they try to impose in community >>> discussions. >>> Once we accept, we lose. >>> >>> Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis. >>> So why are we tolerating this? He is not even >>> contributing to Pharo. >>> >>> Between this and the guy who harasses my students at >>> ESUG, I wonder what fucking bullshit community we >>> have become. >>> >>> I have nothing to do anymore in this community. >>> >>> Steven. >>> >>> >>> Le 19/02/2025 Ã 11:06, Steve Quezadas a Ã©critÂ : >>>> Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. >>>> Twitter is FAR more tolerant of differing >>>> viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl >>>> <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >>>> >>>> I heard enough stories the other way round >>>> being on X with the "wrong political opinion". >>>> It works either way. The way you experience it >>>> is not so much an artefact of the social media >>>> platform but the mindset you have. >>>> >>>> Norbert >>>> >>>>> Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas >>>>> <steveeq1(a)gmail.com>: >>>>> >>>>> Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you >>>>> for having the wrong political opinion. >>>>> Twitter is much more open to differing >>>>> viewpoints. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray >>>>> Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas >>>>> <offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks a lot. >>>>> >>>>> It's refreshing to see more people >>>>> participating the so called #eXodus >>>>> and having better forms to connect. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Offray >>>>> >>>>> On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote: >>>>> > Hello, >>>>> > >>>>> > Bluesky: >>>>> > >>>>> https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social >>>>> > >>>>> > We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!) >>>>> > >>>>> > https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Â Marcus >>>>> >>>> >>

Feb. 20, 2025

Re: Pharo on Bluesky and Mastodon

by Steven Costiou

YES to all of that! I'm also convinced that bluesky will become similar to twitter, sooner or later. We also started Mastodon accounts for Pharo and ESUG, and perhaps ultimately we'll succeed in moving an important part of the community there. But bluesky or twitter before were never mandatory to be up to date with Pharo, so it's not an incentive to join Bluesky. Le 20/02/2025 Ã 01:58, Harald a Ã©critÂ : > > Hello pharoers, here are my 2 cents: > > Billionaires should not exist. > Elon musk is a nazi & billionaire, 2 good reasons to avoid giving him > any money, so fuck twitter/x. > I don't know much about bluesky but that it's funded by private > investors so it will likely become another twitter one day, because > the capital always support the fascists. > > Cheers > > > On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, 12:48 Richard Sargent, > <richard.sargent(a)gemtalksystems.com> wrote: > > Perhaps we can return to the original assertion: > " Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the > wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing > viewpoints. " > > That has nothing to do with Pharo, so I for one would rather not > see non-Pharo discussions on Pharo lists/channels/fora/whatever. > > Perhaps, you could take your political discussions, your gender > discussions, your sexuality discussions, etc. to some other, more > relevant forum. > > > On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:06â¯PM Steve Quezadas > <steveeq1(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > The pharo community is going the way of the python community. > Where perfectly acceptable political opinions ("trans women > are not real women") are suppressed under the guise of "breaks > community standards".I've noticed more and more programming > groups have gone so far left because of echo chamber feedback > loops. They, as a result, don't see how crazy they make > themselves look to normal people. > > People who disagree with your political opinions are not > "nazis". You are being unfair to the 50% of people who have a > differing opinion. > > On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23â¯AM sducasseatwork--- via > Pharo-users <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: > > Hello steven > > We have a great community and we should not throw away the > baby with the water of the bath (sorry for english readers > I do not know if the direct translation of a french > expression makes any sense but you can probably get it). > > We will do what we want and do not care about people that > do not contribute and not in a positive mindset. > Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because it is > a great and fun system. > > I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo. > > No need to reply to this thread because I put a filter to > trash any emails :) > > S, > >> On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou >> <steven.costiou(a)kloum.io> wrote: >> >> This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and >> their only contribution is to jump into discussions to >> fight anything related to people wanting to be safe from >> their bullshit. >> >> He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for >> the code convenant stuff. >> He is doing this right now again. >> >> The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong >> political opinion", "tolerant", "leftist"... just all the >> nazi words they try to impose in community discussions. >> Once we accept, we lose. >> >> Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis. >> So why are we tolerating this? He is not even >> contributing to Pharo. >> >> Between this and the guy who harasses my students at >> ESUG, I wonder what fucking bullshit community we have >> become. >> >> I have nothing to do anymore in this community. >> >> Steven. >> >> >> Le 19/02/2025 Ã 11:06, Steve Quezadas a Ã©critÂ : >>> Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter >>> is FAR more tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a >>> leftist myself. >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl >>> <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >>> >>> I heard enough stories the other way round being on >>> X with the "wrong political opinion". It works >>> either way. The way you experience it is not so much >>> an artefact of the social media platform but the >>> mindset you have. >>> >>> Norbert >>> >>>> Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas >>>> <steveeq1(a)gmail.com>: >>>> >>>> Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for >>>> having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much >>>> more open to differing viewpoints. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir >>>> Luna CÃ¡rdenas <offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks a lot. >>>> >>>> It's refreshing to see more people >>>> participating the so called #eXodus >>>> and having better forms to connect. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Offray >>>> >>>> On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote: >>>> > Hello, >>>> > >>>> > Bluesky: >>>> > https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social >>>> > >>>> > We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!) >>>> > >>>> > https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >Â Â Â Â Marcus >>>> >>> >

Feb. 20, 2025

Re: Pharo on Bluesky and Mastodon

by Steven Costiou

Can we ban him already? Is this not proof enough that he's on the nazi side?? Are we "tolerating nazis"??? Le 20/02/2025 Ã 03:16, Steve Quezadas a Ã©critÂ : > There is no evidence that elon Musk is a "nazi" and i am baffled that > seemingly everyone on this list thinks he is. There is ZERO evidence. > Also, I am a big fan of his. I admire him greatly. And I am no adolf > hitler fan either. > > On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 4:59â¯PM Harald <harald.vicaire.pro(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hello pharoers, here are my 2 cents: > > Billionaires should not exist. > Elon musk is a nazi & billionaire, 2 good reasons to avoid giving > him any money, so fuck twitter/x. > I don't know much about bluesky but that it's funded by private > investors so it will likely become another twitter one day, > because the capital always support the fascists. > > Cheers > > > On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, 12:48 Richard Sargent, > <richard.sargent(a)gemtalksystems.com> wrote: > > Perhaps we can return to the original assertion: > " Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the > wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to > differing viewpoints. " > > That has nothing to do with Pharo, so I for one would rather > not see non-Pharo discussions on Pharo > lists/channels/fora/whatever. > > Perhaps, you could take your political discussions, your > gender discussions, your sexuality discussions, etc. to some > other, more relevant forum. > > > On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:06â¯PM Steve Quezadas > <steveeq1(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > The pharo community is going the way of the python > community. Where perfectly acceptable political opinions > ("trans women are not real women") are suppressed under > the guise of "breaks community standards".I've noticed > more and more programming groups have gone so far left > because of echo chamber feedback loops. They, as a result, > don't see how crazy they make themselves look to normal > people. > > People who disagree with your political opinions are not > "nazis". You are being unfair to the 50% of people who > have a differing opinion. > > On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23â¯AM sducasseatwork--- via > Pharo-users <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: > > Hello steven > > We have a great community and we should not throw away > the baby with the water of the bath (sorry for english > readers > I do not know if the direct translation of a french > expression makes any sense but you can probably get it). > > We will do what we want and do not care about people > that do not contribute and not in a positive mindset. > Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because it > is a great and fun system. > > I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo. > > No need to reply to this thread because I put a filter > to trash any emails :) > > S, > >> On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou >> <steven.costiou(a)kloum.io> wrote: >> >> This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities >> and their only contribution is to jump into >> discussions to fight anything related to people >> wanting to be safe from their bullshit. >> >> He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago >> for the code convenant stuff. >> He is doing this right now again. >> >> The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong >> political opinion", "tolerant", "leftist"... just all >> the nazi words they try to impose in community >> discussions. >> Once we accept, we lose. >> >> Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis. >> So why are we tolerating this? He is not even >> contributing to Pharo. >> >> Between this and the guy who harasses my students at >> ESUG, I wonder what fucking bullshit community we >> have become. >> >> I have nothing to do anymore in this community. >> >> Steven. >> >> >> Le 19/02/2025 Ã 11:06, Steve Quezadas a Ã©critÂ : >>> Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. >>> Twitter is FAR more tolerant of differing >>> viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself. >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl >>> <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >>> >>> I heard enough stories the other way round being >>> on X with the "wrong political opinion". It >>> works either way. The way you experience it is >>> not so much an artefact of the social media >>> platform but the mindset you have. >>> >>> Norbert >>> >>>> Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas >>>> <steveeq1(a)gmail.com>: >>>> >>>> Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you >>>> for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter >>>> is much more open to differing viewpoints. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir >>>> Luna CÃ¡rdenas <offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks a lot. >>>> >>>> It's refreshing to see more people >>>> participating the so called #eXodus >>>> and having better forms to connect. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Offray >>>> >>>> On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote: >>>> > Hello, >>>> > >>>> > Bluesky: >>>> > >>>> https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social >>>> > >>>> > We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!) >>>> > >>>> > https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Â Marcus >>>> >>> >

Feb. 20, 2025

Re: Pharo on Bluesky and Mastodon

by Steve Quezadas

There is no evidence that elon Musk is a "nazi" and i am baffled that seemingly everyone on this list thinks he is. There is ZERO evidence. Also, I am a big fan of his. I admire him greatly. And I am no adolf hitler fan either. On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 4:59â¯PM Harald <harald.vicaire.pro(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello pharoers, here are my 2 cents: > > Billionaires should not exist. > Elon musk is a nazi & billionaire, 2 good reasons to avoid giving him any > money, so fuck twitter/x. > I don't know much about bluesky but that it's funded by private investors > so it will likely become another twitter one day, because the capital > always support the fascists. > > Cheers > > On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, 12:48 Richard Sargent, < > richard.sargent(a)gemtalksystems.com> wrote: > >> Perhaps we can return to the original assertion: >> " Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong >> political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints. " >> >> That has nothing to do with Pharo, so I for one would rather not see >> non-Pharo discussions on Pharo lists/channels/fora/whatever. >> >> Perhaps, you could take your political discussions, your gender >> discussions, your sexuality discussions, etc. to some other, more relevant >> forum. >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:06â¯PM Steve Quezadas <steveeq1(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> The pharo community is going the way of the python community. Where >>> perfectly acceptable political opinions ("trans women are not real women") >>> are suppressed under the guise of "breaks community standards".I've noticed >>> more and more programming groups have gone so far left because of echo >>> chamber feedback loops. They, as a result, don't see how crazy they make >>> themselves look to normal people. >>> >>> People who disagree with your political opinions are not "nazis". You >>> are being unfair to the 50% of people who have a differing opinion. >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23â¯AM sducasseatwork--- via Pharo-users < >>> pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello steven >>>> >>>> We have a great community and we should not throw away the baby with >>>> the water of the bath (sorry for english readers >>>> I do not know if the direct translation of a french expression makes >>>> any sense but you can probably get it). >>>> >>>> We will do what we want and do not care about people that do not >>>> contribute and not in a positive mindset. >>>> Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because it is a great and >>>> fun system. >>>> >>>> I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo. >>>> >>>> No need to reply to this thread because I put a filter to trash any >>>> emails :) >>>> >>>> S, >>>> >>>> On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou <steven.costiou(a)kloum.io> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and their only >>>> contribution is to jump into discussions to fight anything related to >>>> people wanting to be safe from their bullshit. >>>> >>>> He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for the code >>>> convenant stuff. >>>> He is doing this right now again. >>>> >>>> The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong political opinion", >>>> "tolerant", "leftist"... just all the nazi words they try to impose in >>>> community discussions. >>>> Once we accept, we lose. >>>> >>>> Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis. >>>> So why are we tolerating this? He is not even contributing to Pharo. >>>> >>>> Between this and the guy who harasses my students at ESUG, I wonder >>>> what fucking bullshit community we have become. >>>> >>>> I have nothing to do anymore in this community. >>>> >>>> Steven. >>>> >>>> Le 19/02/2025 Ã 11:06, Steve Quezadas a Ã©crit : >>>> >>>> Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more >>>> tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong >>>>> political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not >>>>> so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have. >>>>> >>>>> Norbert >>>>> >>>>> Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas <steveeq1(a)gmail.com>: >>>>> >>>>> Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong >>>>> political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas < >>>>> offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks a lot. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called >>>>>> #eXodus >>>>>> and having better forms to connect. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> Offray >>>>>> >>>>>> On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote: >>>>>> > Hello, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Bluesky: >>>>>> > https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social >>>>>> > >>>>>> > We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!) >>>>>> > >>>>>> > https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Marcus >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>

Feb. 20, 2025

Re: Pharo on Bluesky and Mastodon

by Harald

Hello pharoers, here are my 2 cents: Billionaires should not exist. Elon musk is a nazi & billionaire, 2 good reasons to avoid giving him any money, so fuck twitter/x. I don't know much about bluesky but that it's funded by private investors so it will likely become another twitter one day, because the capital always support the fascists. Cheers On Thu, 20 Feb 2025, 12:48 Richard Sargent, < richard.sargent(a)gemtalksystems.com> wrote: > Perhaps we can return to the original assertion: > " Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong > political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints. " > > That has nothing to do with Pharo, so I for one would rather not see > non-Pharo discussions on Pharo lists/channels/fora/whatever. > > Perhaps, you could take your political discussions, your gender > discussions, your sexuality discussions, etc. to some other, more relevant > forum. > > > On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:06â¯PM Steve Quezadas <steveeq1(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> The pharo community is going the way of the python community. Where >> perfectly acceptable political opinions ("trans women are not real women") >> are suppressed under the guise of "breaks community standards".I've noticed >> more and more programming groups have gone so far left because of echo >> chamber feedback loops. They, as a result, don't see how crazy they make >> themselves look to normal people. >> >> People who disagree with your political opinions are not "nazis". You are >> being unfair to the 50% of people who have a differing opinion. >> >> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23â¯AM sducasseatwork--- via Pharo-users < >> pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: >> >>> Hello steven >>> >>> We have a great community and we should not throw away the baby with the >>> water of the bath (sorry for english readers >>> I do not know if the direct translation of a french expression makes any >>> sense but you can probably get it). >>> >>> We will do what we want and do not care about people that do not >>> contribute and not in a positive mindset. >>> Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because it is a great and >>> fun system. >>> >>> I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo. >>> >>> No need to reply to this thread because I put a filter to trash any >>> emails :) >>> >>> S, >>> >>> On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou <steven.costiou(a)kloum.io> >>> wrote: >>> >>> This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and their only >>> contribution is to jump into discussions to fight anything related to >>> people wanting to be safe from their bullshit. >>> >>> He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for the code >>> convenant stuff. >>> He is doing this right now again. >>> >>> The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong political opinion", >>> "tolerant", "leftist"... just all the nazi words they try to impose in >>> community discussions. >>> Once we accept, we lose. >>> >>> Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis. >>> So why are we tolerating this? He is not even contributing to Pharo. >>> >>> Between this and the guy who harasses my students at ESUG, I wonder what >>> fucking bullshit community we have become. >>> >>> I have nothing to do anymore in this community. >>> >>> Steven. >>> >>> Le 19/02/2025 Ã 11:06, Steve Quezadas a Ã©crit : >>> >>> Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more >>> tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself. >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong >>>> political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not >>>> so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have. >>>> >>>> Norbert >>>> >>>> Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas <steveeq1(a)gmail.com>: >>>> >>>> Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong >>>> political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas < >>>> offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks a lot. >>>>> >>>>> It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus >>>>> and having better forms to connect. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Offray >>>>> >>>>> On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote: >>>>> > Hello, >>>>> > >>>>> > Bluesky: >>>>> > https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social >>>>> > >>>>> > We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!) >>>>> > >>>>> > https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Marcus >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>

Feb. 20, 2025

Re: Pharo on Bluesky and Mastodon

by Richard Sargent

Perhaps we can return to the original assertion: " Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints. " That has nothing to do with Pharo, so I for one would rather not see non-Pharo discussions on Pharo lists/channels/fora/whatever. Perhaps, you could take your political discussions, your gender discussions, your sexuality discussions, etc. to some other, more relevant forum. On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:06â¯PM Steve Quezadas <steveeq1(a)gmail.com> wrote: > The pharo community is going the way of the python community. Where > perfectly acceptable political opinions ("trans women are not real women") > are suppressed under the guise of "breaks community standards".I've noticed > more and more programming groups have gone so far left because of echo > chamber feedback loops. They, as a result, don't see how crazy they make > themselves look to normal people. > > People who disagree with your political opinions are not "nazis". You are > being unfair to the 50% of people who have a differing opinion. > > On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:23â¯AM sducasseatwork--- via Pharo-users < > pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: > >> Hello steven >> >> We have a great community and we should not throw away the baby with the >> water of the bath (sorry for english readers >> I do not know if the direct translation of a french expression makes any >> sense but you can probably get it). >> >> We will do what we want and do not care about people that do not >> contribute and not in a positive mindset. >> Let us continue to make Pharo great and fun because it is a great and fun >> system. >> >> I will continue to focus on PRs that improve Pharo. >> >> No need to reply to this thread because I put a filter to trash any >> emails :) >> >> S, >> >> On 19 Feb 2025, at 11:35, Steven Costiou <steven.costiou(a)kloum.io> wrote: >> >> This is how nazi work: they infiltrate communities and their only >> contribution is to jump into discussions to fight anything related to >> people wanting to be safe from their bullshit. >> >> He did the same thing (with others) a few years ago for the code >> convenant stuff. >> He is doing this right now again. >> >> The vocabulary is all there: "echo-chamber", "wrong political opinion", >> "tolerant", "leftist"... just all the nazi words they try to impose in >> community discussions. >> Once we accept, we lose. >> >> Nice and diplomatic discussions do not work with nazis. >> So why are we tolerating this? He is not even contributing to Pharo. >> >> Between this and the guy who harasses my students at ESUG, I wonder what >> fucking bullshit community we have become. >> >> I have nothing to do anymore in this community. >> >> Steven. >> >> Le 19/02/2025 Ã 11:06, Steve Quezadas a Ã©crit : >> >> Oh come on, BlueSky is TruthSocial for leftists. Twitter is FAR more >> tolerant of differing viewpoints, andI am a leftist myself. >> >> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 1:38â¯AM Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >> >>> I heard enough stories the other way round being on X with the "wrong >>> political opinion". It works either way. The way you experience it is not >>> so much an artefact of the social media platform but the mindset you have. >>> >>> Norbert >>> >>> Am 19.02.2025 um 10:00 schrieb Steve Quezadas <steveeq1(a)gmail.com>: >>> >>> Bluesky is an echo chamber that will ban you for having the wrong >>> political opinion. Twitter is much more open to differing viewpoints. >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 9:50â¯AM Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas < >>> offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks a lot. >>>> >>>> It's refreshing to see more people participating the so called #eXodus >>>> and having better forms to connect. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Offray >>>> >>>> On 14/02/25 9:11, Marcus Denker wrote: >>>> > Hello, >>>> > >>>> > Bluesky: >>>> > https://bsky.app/profile/pharoproject.bsky.social >>>> > >>>> > We are on Mastodon, too (since 2018!) >>>> > >>>> > https://mastodon.social/@pharoproject >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Marcus >>>> >>> >>> >>

Feb. 19, 2025