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Re: The System Browser has recently started showing 2 comments tabs - one is text and one is formatted pretty. That seems odd and is not wanted...

by Davide Varvello

Switch version is never pain free. Davide On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 11:05:39 AM GMT+2, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: I understand. Can you tell us what is blocking you to switch versions? You should know that we did an amazing amount of job fixing a lot of glitches and improving Â Pharo over the last two years.Â Would you be interested in a special support for Pharo10 and at which price? Because we were thinking about a LTS for Pharo but this is not free :). Have fun.Â >> On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 11:26:02 AM GMT+2, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote:Â > > >> Not really. Did you check in Pharo 12?Â > > No, I can't switch Pharo version and I don't think is so uncommon to stay on a stable version for a while. > DavideÂ > > > >> We got too busy on more important issues. > >> S > > > > > >> On 9 May 2024, at 11:43, Davide Varvello via Pharo-users <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Guys, >> >> Any news about this issue? It's happening also to me. >> >> Cheers >> Davide >> >> >> >> >> Â Â >> Â Â >> Â Â On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 07:03:43 AM GMT+1, Mark O'Donoghue <mark.odonoghue.2010(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Stephane >> Â Â Â >> Many thanks for following up on the issue with the extra comment tab in the System Browser. >> Â Â Â >> As requested, I have included more information below: >> Â Â Â >> Versions >> Over the last few days, I have seen the issue in >> Build information: Pharo-10.0.0+build.536.sha.2314c3f457171dcde477ff6575b578835f1fd519 (64 Bit) >> I believe this is the latest stable P10 release for Windows 64. >> It was created as a new image via Pharo Launcher version: 3.0.1 >> Â Â Â >> Previously I was using >> Build information: Pharo-10.0.0+build.515.sha.b18847fed2389428342d35b0056824644a1ce5fe (64 Bit) >> And I was getting the normal comment tab behaviour. >> I still can see that when I fire up that old image. >> Â Â Â >> Background >> I had not used Pharo since July 2022, and before resuming work I decided to create a fresh new P10 image to work with. >> Using the launcher, I created a new image based on the Pharo 10 (stable) image. And of course it updated the Windows 64 VM as well for me. >> I then reloaded my code base and started work. Pretty soon I noticed the odd behaviour with the System Browser. >> I then posed the question on discord for guidance. >> Â Â Â >> Since then, I tried to simplify the issue by creating another new image based on Pharo 10 (stable). >> This time I didnât make any changes, alter settings, or loading any code or libraries. >> I checked the simple image and verified that the System Browser issue was happening. >> Because this is just the âvanillaâ image, unchanged by me, I a hoping it will be easy to verify this behaviour at your endâ¦ >> Â Â Â >> Â Â Â >> Cheers and regards >> Mark >> Perth, Western Australia >> Â Â Â >> From: stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> Sent: Sunday, 8 January 2023 10:43 PMTo: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org>Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: The System Browser has recently started showing 2 comments tabs - one is text and one is formatted pretty. That seems odd and is not wanted - has anyone else seen this? Pharo 10 stable image - windows 64 - all reloaded recently... >> Â Â Â >> Hi markÂ >> Â Â Â >> Which version of Pharo are you using? >> In P11 I saw some regressions. >> S >> >> >>> On 8 Jan 2023, at 14:30, mark.odonoghue.2010(a)gmail.com wrote: >>> Â Â Â >>> >> Â Â Â >> >> > > > StÃ©phane Ducasse > http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr > 06 30 93 66 73 > > "If you knew today was your lastÂ day on earth, what wouldÂ youÂ do differently? ....ESPECIALLYÂ if, by doing somethingÂ different,Â today mightÂ notÂ be your last dayÂ on earth.â CalvinÂ & Hobbes > > > > > > StÃ©phane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr 06 30 93 66 73 "If you knew today was your lastÂ day on earth, what wouldÂ youÂ do differently? ....ESPECIALLYÂ if, by doing somethingÂ different,Â today mightÂ notÂ be your last dayÂ on earth.â CalvinÂ & Hobbes

May 13, 2024

The System Browser has recently started showing 2 comments tabs - one is text and one is formatted pretty. That seems odd and is not wanted...

by Davide Varvello

From: Davide Varvello <varvello(a)yahoo.com> To: stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 at 10:43:37 AM GMT+2 Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] The System Browser has recently started showing 2 comments tabs - one is text and one is formatted pretty. That seems odd and is not wanted... > On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 11:26:02 AM GMT+2, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote:Â > Not really. Did you check in Pharo 12?Â No, I can't switch Pharo version and I don't think is so uncommon to stay on a stable version for a while. DavideÂ > We got too busy on more important issues. >S > On 9 May 2024, at 11:43, Davide Varvello via Pharo-users <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: > > > > Hi Guys, > > Any news about this issue? It's happening also to me. > > Cheers > Davide > > > > >Â Â >Â Â >Â Â On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 07:03:43 AM GMT+1, Mark O'Donoghue <mark.odonoghue.2010(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Stephane >Â Â Â > Many thanks for following up on the issue with the extra comment tab in the System Browser. >Â Â Â > As requested, I have included more information below: >Â Â Â > Versions > Over the last few days, I have seen the issue in > Build information: Pharo-10.0.0+build.536.sha.2314c3f457171dcde477ff6575b578835f1fd519 (64 Bit) > I believe this is the latest stable P10 release for Windows 64. > It was created as a new image via Pharo Launcher version: 3.0.1 >Â Â Â > Previously I was using > Build information: Pharo-10.0.0+build.515.sha.b18847fed2389428342d35b0056824644a1ce5fe (64 Bit) > And I was getting the normal comment tab behaviour. > I still can see that when I fire up that old image. >Â Â Â > Background > I had not used Pharo since July 2022, and before resuming work I decided to create a fresh new P10 image to work with. > Using the launcher, I created a new image based on the Pharo 10 (stable) image. And of course it updated the Windows 64 VM as well for me. > I then reloaded my code base and started work. Pretty soon I noticed the odd behaviour with the System Browser. > I then posed the question on discord for guidance. >Â Â Â > Since then, I tried to simplify the issue by creating another new image based on Pharo 10 (stable). > This time I didnât make any changes, alter settings, or loading any code or libraries. > I checked the simple image and verified that the System Browser issue was happening. > Because this is just the âvanillaâ image, unchanged by me, I a hoping it will be easy to verify this behaviour at your endâ¦ >Â Â Â >Â Â Â > Cheers and regards > Mark > Perth, Western Australia >Â Â Â > From: stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> Sent: Sunday, 8 January 2023 10:43 PMTo: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org>Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: The System Browser has recently started showing 2 comments tabs - one is text and one is formatted pretty. That seems odd and is not wanted - has anyone else seen this? Pharo 10 stable image - windows 64 - all reloaded recently... >Â Â Â > Hi markÂ >Â Â Â > Which version of Pharo are you using? > In P11 I saw some regressions. > S > > >> On 8 Jan 2023, at 14:30, mark.odonoghue.2010(a)gmail.com wrote: >>Â Â Â >> >Â Â Â > > StÃ©phane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr 06 30 93 66 73 "If you knew today was your lastÂ day on earth, what wouldÂ youÂ do differently? ....ESPECIALLYÂ if, by doing somethingÂ different,Â today mightÂ notÂ be your last dayÂ on earth.â CalvinÂ & Hobbes

May 13, 2024

Re: P12 new Tonel formatting and PR implications

by Tim Mackinnon

Hey Esteban - understood. So it sounds like - quickly walk through all your project packages - add a little comment "upgrade to new tonel formt" and then commit (with everyone checked in before) sounds like the way to go. I'll get on that with projects that I work with. It does of course imply everyone move up to P12 (from P11) to avoid flip flopping between formats - and I don't think there is any reason to stick to P11 as P12 seems solid and without anything controversial to hold back on. Thanks for pushing things forward. Tim On Mon, 13 May 2024, at 6:31 AM, Esteban Lorenzano via Pharo-users wrote: > Hi, > > This is indeed a noisy change. That's the reason it was a change we were holding back during years, but at a point we needed to do it (there is a spec for tonel format we made together with Gemstone people and at a point, we needed to go to the agreed definition. > > So, yes... this will cause annoying moments until all projects are migrated. My recommendation is to make a PR with the new format and work from there. > > Esteban > > ps: there will be still some noise, next year, since we need to clean up a bit around... I am sorry in advance. > > On 12/05/2024 23:55, stephane ducasse wrote: >> The team will be back from vacationâ¦. last week was a three free days week :). >> >> S >> >>> On 12 May 2024, at 06:21, Tim Mackinnon <tim(a)testit.works> wrote: >>> >>> Asking this here as it didnât get much traction on Discord - but with the move to P12, the category format in Tonel has changed from a symbol to a string e.g. { #category : #examples } vs { #category : 'examples' } - this causes mega noise when submitting tiny PR's - how is everyone else handling this? Should projects resave every project module to get the new format while people are out of the pool? Or is there a way to force the old format on specific projects until they can be upgraded ? >>> >>> It seems like a change whose consequences need some attention ? >>> >>> What are others doing? >>> >>> Tim >> >> StÃ©phane Ducasse >> http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr >> 06 30 93 66 73 >> >> "If you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do differently? ....ESPECIALLY if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth.â Calvin & Hobbes >> >>

May 13, 2024

This week (19/2024) on the Pharo Issue Tracker

by Marcus Denker

# Pharo 12 - 16576-Problem-with-completion-in-the-tutorial #16582 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16582 # Virtual Machine - Bump to MacOS 11 and above #792 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm/pull/792 - Do not use asserta: in a statement #788 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm/pull/788 - Moving pharo.signatures files for OSX Bundle to Resources folder #770 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm/pull/770 # Features - New debugger extension model to display dynamic extensions #739 https://github.com/pharo-spec/NewTools/pull/739 - add asAccessor #16579 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16579 - Make it easier to diagnose mock failures by printing message sends properly and storing the send history in the mock #16555 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16555 - add two's complement display for negative integers #746 https://github.com/pharo-spec/NewTools/pull/746 # Fixes - Make ToggleMenuItemMorph use a FormSet for the submenu marker #16510 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16510 - Taskbar option to close windows hidden behind other windows #16552 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16552 - prof stef lesson view did not understand has binding of #16578 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16578 - fix precedence computation #16581 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16581 # Refactoring Engine - Fix RBCompositeRefactoryChange>>#defineClass: argument name #16600 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16600 - Refactor: preconditions return array of preconditions by default #16527 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16527 # Rules - add ReOverridingExtentsionMethod rule #16550 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16550 - add rule to avoid that TestCase rely on Initialize #16513 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16513 # Tests (Green tests on CI) - Fix testCodeCruftLeftInMethods #16598 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16598 - Update roassal to v1.06d #16595 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16595 - Fixing reflectivity tests that can randomly fail because of unstable and unpredictable tests generating methods #16584 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16584 - 16569-CI-Pharo13-code-with-halt-was-merged #16570 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16570 - clearing debugger subscriptions and subcomponents in StDebuggerExtensionMechanismTest>>#tearDown #712 https://github.com/pharo-spec/NewTools/pull/712 # Cleanups - Renaming DebugPointSideEffect into DebugPointMetaBehavior #16563 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16563 - Cleanup: TestCase class>>#lastRunMethodNamed: #16588 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16588 - Cleanup: TestCase class>>#hasErrorTest, TestCase class>>#hasPassedTest and TestCase class>>#hasFailedTest #16586 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16586 - Changed 'Transcript show:' construct to 'self trace' #16385 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16385 - removing dependency to UIManager in StFuelStackCommand #745 https://github.com/pharo-spec/NewTools/pull/745 # Documentation - Update CONTRIBUTING.md #16575 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/16575

May 13, 2024

Re: P12 new Tonel formatting and PR implications

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hi, This is indeed a noisy change. That's the reason it was a change we were holding back during years, but at a point we needed to do it (there is a spec for tonel format we made together with Gemstone people and at a point, we needed to go to the agreed definition. So, yes... this will cause annoying moments until all projects are migrated. My recommendation is to make a PR with the new format and work from there. Esteban ps: there will be still some noise, next year, since we need to clean up a bit around... I am sorry in advance. On 12/05/2024 23:55, stephane ducasse wrote: > The team will be back from vacationâ¦. last week was a three free days > week :). > > S > >> On 12 May 2024, at 06:21, Tim Mackinnon <tim(a)testit.works> wrote: >> >> Asking this here as it didnât get much traction on Discord - but with >> the move to P12, the category format in Tonel has changed from a >> symbol to a string e.g. Â { #category : #examples } vs { #category : >> 'examples' } - this causes mega noise when submitting tiny PR's - how >> is everyone else handling this? Should projects resave every project >> module to get the new format while people are out of the pool? Or is >> there a way to force the old format on specific projects until they >> can be upgraded ? >> >> It seems like a change whose consequences need some attention ? >> >> What are others doing? >> >> Tim > > StÃ©phane Ducasse > http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr > 06 30 93 66 73 > > "If you knew today was your lastÂ day on earth, what wouldÂ youÂ do > differently? ....ESPECIALLYÂ if, by doing somethingÂ different,Â today > mightÂ notÂ be your last dayÂ on earth.â CalvinÂ & Hobbes > > > > >

May 13, 2024

Re: P12 new Tonel formatting and PR implications

by stephane ducasse

The team will be back from vacationâ¦. last week was a three free days week :). S > On 12 May 2024, at 06:21, Tim Mackinnon <tim(a)testit.works> wrote: > > Asking this here as it didnât get much traction on Discord - but with the move to P12, the category format in Tonel has changed from a symbol to a string e.g. { #category : #examples } vs { #category : 'examples' } - this causes mega noise when submitting tiny PR's - how is everyone else handling this? Should projects resave every project module to get the new format while people are out of the pool? Or is there a way to force the old format on specific projects until they can be upgraded ? > > It seems like a change whose consequences need some attention ? > > What are others doing? > > Tim StÃ©phane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr 06 30 93 66 73 "If you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do differently? ....ESPECIALLY if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth.â Calvin & Hobbes

May 12, 2024

P12 new Tonel formatting and PR implications

by Tim Mackinnon

Asking this here as it didnât get much traction on Discord - but with the move to P12, the category format in Tonel has changed from a symbol to a string e.g. { #category : #examples } vs { #category : 'examples' } - this causes mega noise when submitting tiny PR's - how is everyone else handling this? Should projects resave every project module to get the new format while people are out of the pool? Or is there a way to force the old format on specific projects until they can be upgraded ? It seems like a change whose consequences need some attention ? What are others doing? Tim

May 12, 2024

Re: Window size: look at ClyBrowserMorph>>initialExtent

by stephane ducasse

+ 1000 S > On 10 May 2024, at 13:03, Tim Mackinnon <tim(a)testit.works> wrote: > > Davide - why don't you submit a PR? I'm sure you can figure out how to add a settings to the system (can't offhand remember, but there are examples - and you can ask on the discord) and it would be a nice contribution to make . > > Its all the little contributions that make the system better - I know I've been there, and saw how the others do it and so had a go. > > Tim > > On Fri, 10 May 2024, at 5:25 PM, Davide Varvello via Pharo-users wrote: >> Hi Guys, >> It seems to me the default size of a lot of windows is too small, so after some search and thanks to this https://stackoverflow.com/questions/55102480/how-do-i-change-the-default-he… by Marko GrdiniÄ >> >> I discovered I can change the default size of many type of windows simply changing ClyBrowserMorph>>initialExtent. >> HTH >> >> It would be good to be able to manage the size of windows in Settings >> >> Cheers >> Davide StÃ©phane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr 06 30 93 66 73 "If you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do differently? ....ESPECIALLY if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth.â Calvin & Hobbes

May 12, 2024

Re: The System Browser has recently started showing 2 comments tabs - one is text and one is formatted pretty. That seems odd and is not wanted...

by stephane ducasse

Not really. Did you check in Pharo 12? We got too busy on more important issues. S > On 9 May 2024, at 11:43, Davide Varvello via Pharo-users <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > Any news about this issue? It's happening also to me. > > Cheers > Davide > > > > On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 07:03:43 AM GMT+1, Mark O'Donoghue <mark.odonoghue.2010(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi Stephane > > > Many thanks for following up on the issue with the extra comment tab in the System Browser. > > > As requested, I have included more information below: > > > Versions > > Over the last few days, I have seen the issue in > > Build information: Pharo-10.0.0+build.536.sha.2314c3f457171dcde477ff6575b578835f1fd519 (64 Bit) > > I believe this is the latest stable P10 release for Windows 64. > > It was created as a new image via Pharo Launcher version: 3.0.1 > > > Previously I was using > > Build information: Pharo-10.0.0+build.515.sha.b18847fed2389428342d35b0056824644a1ce5fe (64 Bit) > > And I was getting the normal comment tab behaviour. > > I still can see that when I fire up that old image. > > > Background > > I had not used Pharo since July 2022, and before resuming work I decided to create a fresh new P10 image to work with. > > Using the launcher, I created a new image based on the Pharo 10 (stable) image. And of course it updated the Windows 64 VM as well for me. > > I then reloaded my code base and started work. Pretty soon I noticed the odd behaviour with the System Browser. > > I then posed the question on discord for guidance. > > > Since then, I tried to simplify the issue by creating another new image based on Pharo 10 (stable). > > This time I didnât make any changes, alter settings, or loading any code or libraries. > > I checked the simple image and verified that the System Browser issue was happening. > > Because this is just the âvanillaâ image, unchanged by me, I a hoping it will be easy to verify this behaviour at your endâ¦ > > > > Cheers and regards > > Mark > > Perth, Western Australia > > > From: stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > Sent: Sunday, 8 January 2023 10:43 PM > To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> > Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: The System Browser has recently started showing 2 comments tabs - one is text and one is formatted pretty. That seems odd and is not wanted - has anyone else seen this? Pharo 10 stable image - windows 64 - all reloaded recently... > > > Hi mark > > > Which version of Pharo are you using? > > In P11 I saw some regressions. > > S > > > > > On 8 Jan 2023, at 14:30, mark.odonoghue.2010(a)gmail.com <mailto:mark.odonoghue.2010@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > StÃ©phane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr 06 30 93 66 73 "If you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do differently? ....ESPECIALLY if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth.â Calvin & Hobbes

May 12, 2024

Re: Window size: look at ClyBrowserMorph>>initialExtent

by Tim Mackinnon

Davide - why don't you submit a PR? I'm sure you can figure out how to add a settings to the system (can't offhand remember, but there are examples - and you can ask on the discord) and it would be a nice contribution to make . Its all the little contributions that make the system better - I know I've been there, and saw how the others do it and so had a go. Tim On Fri, 10 May 2024, at 5:25 PM, Davide Varvello via Pharo-users wrote: > Hi Guys, > It seems to me the default size of a lot of windows is too small, so after some search and thanks to this https://stackoverflow.com/questions/55102480/how-do-i-change-the-default-he… by Marko GrdiniÄ > > I discovered I can change the default size of many type of windows simply changing *ClyBrowserMorph>>initialExtent.* > HTH > > It would be good to be able to manage the size of windows in Settings > > Cheers > Davide >

May 10, 2024