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Re: Looking for more non-trivial example application based on Spec2 to learn from...

by mark.odonoghue.2010＠gmail.com

Hi Esteban Iâm new and may be wrong and apologise if so â¦ ! It just looked like the Crono package has a few things I didnât expect : * CrApplicationStarter * CrGtkConfiguration * CrWindowConfiguration * SpPresenter extension firstResponder * SpWindowPresenter extensions (2) These âCrâ classes seem to have some more general purpose behaviours that other SpApplications could use? And I would have thought the Gtk configuration would be outside Crono too? Also, presumably the extensions are candidates for repackaging outside/above Crono â¦.? This may be just a naming and packaging thing rather than any criticism of design. In summary, as a simple consumer of the framework there was (some) surprising detail in the Crono package and classes that didnât seem relevant to any new application I would be writing. Hence I would have hoped not to have to clone these details (or even deal with themâ¦). Does that sound fair? - or do I have the wrong end of the stick !! Cheers Mark

May 11, 2021

Re: Looking for more non-trivial example application based on Spec2 to learn from...

by mark.odonoghue.2010＠gmail.com

Agree ! I think it would be very valuable to have a "build an application from scratchâ tutorials/talks/guide. Perhaps it would also result in a small well designed sample application (e.g. Personal Organiser/To Do Lists) that new folk can work their way through; once they have got familiar enough with the language and tools using existing resources (i.e. no need to repeat basic concepts).

May 11, 2021

Re: Looking for more non-trivial example application based on Spec2 to learn from...

by Sebastian Jordan

I'm glad to hear ð ________________________________ From: mark.odonoghue.2010(a)gmail.com <mark.odonoghue.2010(a)gmail.com> Sent: 11 May 2021 12:35 To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: Looking for more non-trivial example application based on Spec2 to learn from... Hi Sebastian Thanks for providing your application - No problems loading it on Windows 10 . Your application is pitched at the right level for the GUI work that I need to do. It looks like it will be very useful indeed. It is also really good to be able to compare it to Estebanâs more complex example, as Iâm sure having both will help me with problem solving and better understanding of the Spec2 framework. Many thanks :-) Mark

May 11, 2021

Re: Looking for more non-trivial example application based on Spec2 to learn from...

by TomaÅ¾ Turk

+1

May 11, 2021

Re: Looking for more non-trivial example application based on Spec2 to learn from...

by Esteban Lorenzano

I am playing with the idea of setting a bunch of techtalk sessions to "build an application from scratch". I need to book the time but I think it can be a good idea. Esteban On May 11 2021, at 6:35 pm, mark.odonoghue.2010(a)gmail.com wrote: > Hi Sebastian > > > > Thanks for providing your application - No problems loading it on Windows 10 . > Your application is pitched at the right level for the GUI work that I need to do. It looks like it will be very useful indeed. > > > It is also really good to be able to compare it to Estebanâs more complex example, as Iâm sure having both will help me with problem solving and better understanding of the Spec2 framework. > > > Many thanks :-) > Mark

May 11, 2021

Re: Looking for more non-trivial example application based on Spec2 to learn from...

by Esteban Lorenzano

On May 11 2021, at 6:22 pm, mark.odonoghue.2010(a)gmail.com wrote: > Many thanks Esteban - I will study the code to get a feel for what kinds of approach I would need to use. > > It didnât install properly as you warned - but thatâs OK - I only need to peruse the code at this point. > > > First impressions are that it has a bit of complex detail that handles some of the platform & backend GUI work. uh? where? if that is the case it should have gone long time ago... and I was sure I got rid of it. Esteban > I suppose ideally these would be reworked somewhat so the the Chrono application doesnât need to deal with any of that stuff? > > > Nevertheless is is going to be very useful and I thank you for your help :-) > > > Cheers > Mark

May 11, 2021

Re: Looking for more non-trivial example application based on Spec2 to learn from...

by mark.odonoghue.2010＠gmail.com

Hi Sebastian Thanks for providing your application - No problems loading it on Windows 10 . Your application is pitched at the right level for the GUI work that I need to do. It looks like it will be very useful indeed. It is also really good to be able to compare it to Estebanâs more complex example, as Iâm sure having both will help me with problem solving and better understanding of the Spec2 framework. Many thanks :-) Mark

May 11, 2021

Re: Looking for more non-trivial example application based on Spec2 to learn from...

by mark.odonoghue.2010＠gmail.com

Many thanks Esteban - I will study the code to get a feel for what kinds of approach I would need to use. It didnât install properly as you warned - but thatâs OK - I only need to peruse the code at this point. First impressions are that it has a bit of complex detail that handles some of the platform & backend GUI work. I suppose ideally these would be reworked somewhat so the the Chrono application doesnât need to deal with any of that stuff? Nevertheless is is going to be very useful and I thank you for your help :-) Cheers Mark

May 11, 2021

Re: Looking for more non-trivial example application based on Spec2 to learn from...

by Sebastian Jordan

Hi, You can check this: https://github.com/jordanmontt/RewriteToolsSet Hope it helps you. Regards, Sebastian ________________________________ From: mark.odonoghue.2010(a)gmail.com <mark.odonoghue.2010(a)gmail.com> Sent: 11 May 2021 06:21 To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> Subject: [Pharo-users] Looking for more non-trivial example application based on Spec2 to learn from... Iâm trying to return to Smalltalk after a 15+ year break (VisualAge, ENfin/2 ST-80 etc), and have been trying to get back into the saddle with Pharo 8 and Pharo 9. Since I have no legacy code - Iâve opted for Pharo 9 knowing a stable release isnât far away. My goal is to produce several applications for private use, and regain some competence in Smalltalk along the way. The apps are business accounting/investing style apps - not too technical. Iâm really not keen on the prospect of using any of the other âmainstreamâ alternatives we have today. Iâm confident I can build a domain model easily enough, but the Pharo environment is my stumbling point - especially building the GUI with Spec2. Iâm really spinning my wheels trying to get a useful Spec2 application built. It needs to have menus, a toolbar, tabbed notebooks, tree lists etc - plus a dozen or so tabular panes (to view/maintain my domain model). Ideally it would also be able to use ODBC or UDBC or Excel etc for transaction storage. Iâve been through all the building blocks in SpDemo but there a just too many concepts to familiarise with and test bit by bit as I buildup a more realistic functioning application. It has been very frustraing and time consuming. I understand why there are not yet solid guides available (book, tutorial, examples) , so I thought the best way would be to use an existing Spec2 application to help me get it going. I think this would save me many weeks of effort. Could anyone point me to at a working non-trivial application that I could share and use a starting point. Any suggestions to help me get into the heart of my application would be most welcomeâ¦!

May 11, 2021

Re: Looking for more non-trivial example application based on Spec2 to learn from...

by Esteban Lorenzano

Ah, a disclaimer: so far, just me and a little bit Santiago tested this installation... for sure you will find problems. Feel free to ask :) Esteban On May 11 2021, at 12:57 pm, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)netc.eu> wrote: > Hi, > > Check at this : > https://github.com/estebanlm/crono > Is a fairly advanced application so you will probably have some issues to get into (also because I didn't have time to properly document it yet). > > Esteban > > > On May 11 2021, at 12:21 pm, mark.odonoghue.2010(a)gmail.com wrote: > > Iâm trying to return to Smalltalk after a 15+ year break (VisualAge, ENfin/2 ST-80 etc), and have been trying to get back into the saddle with Pharo 8 and Pharo 9. > > > > Since I have no legacy code - Iâve opted for Pharo 9 knowing a stable release isnât far away. > > My goal is to produce several applications for private use, and regain some competence in Smalltalk along the way. The apps are business accounting/investing style apps - not too technical. Iâm really not keen on the prospect of using any of the other âmainstreamâ alternatives we have today. > > Iâm confident I can build a domain model easily enough, but the Pharo environment is my stumbling point - especially building the GUI with Spec2. Iâm really spinning my wheels trying to get a useful Spec2 application built. > > It needs to have menus, a toolbar, tabbed notebooks, tree lists etc - plus a dozen or so tabular panes (to view/maintain my domain model). Ideally it would also be able to use ODBC or UDBC or Excel etc for transaction storage. > > Iâve been through all the building blocks in SpDemo but there a just too many concepts to familiarise with and test bit by bit as I buildup a more realistic functioning application. It has been very frustraing and time consuming. > > I understand why there are not yet solid guides available (book, tutorial, examples) , so I thought the best way would be to use an existing Spec2 application to help me get it going. I think this would save me many weeks of effort. > > Could anyone point me to at a working non-trivial application that I could share and use a starting point. > > Any suggestions to help me get into the heart of my application would be most welcomeâ¦!

May 11, 2021

Re: Looking for more non-trivial example application based on Spec2 to learn from...

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hi, Check at this : https://github.com/estebanlm/crono Is a fairly advanced application so you will probably have some issues to get into (also because I didn't have time to properly document it yet). Esteban On May 11 2021, at 12:21 pm, mark.odonoghue.2010(a)gmail.com wrote: > Iâm trying to return to Smalltalk after a 15+ year break (VisualAge, ENfin/2 ST-80 etc), and have been trying to get back into the saddle with Pharo 8 and Pharo 9. > > Since I have no legacy code - Iâve opted for Pharo 9 knowing a stable release isnât far away. > My goal is to produce several applications for private use, and regain some competence in Smalltalk along the way. The apps are business accounting/investing style apps - not too technical. Iâm really not keen on the prospect of using any of the other âmainstreamâ alternatives we have today. > Iâm confident I can build a domain model easily enough, but the Pharo environment is my stumbling point - especially building the GUI with Spec2. Iâm really spinning my wheels trying to get a useful Spec2 application built. > It needs to have menus, a toolbar, tabbed notebooks, tree lists etc - plus a dozen or so tabular panes (to view/maintain my domain model). Ideally it would also be able to use ODBC or UDBC or Excel etc for transaction storage. > Iâve been through all the building blocks in SpDemo but there a just too many concepts to familiarise with and test bit by bit as I buildup a more realistic functioning application. It has been very frustraing and time consuming. > I understand why there are not yet solid guides available (book, tutorial, examples) , so I thought the best way would be to use an existing Spec2 application to help me get it going. I think this would save me many weeks of effort. > Could anyone point me to at a working non-trivial application that I could share and use a starting point. > Any suggestions to help me get into the heart of my application would be most welcomeâ¦!

May 11, 2021

Looking for more non-trivial example application based on Spec2 to learn from...

by mark.odonoghue.2010＠gmail.com

Iâm trying to return to Smalltalk after a 15+ year break (VisualAge, ENfin/2 ST-80 etc), and have been trying to get back into the saddle with Pharo 8 and Pharo 9. Since I have no legacy code - Iâve opted for Pharo 9 knowing a stable release isnât far away. My goal is to produce several applications for private use, and regain some competence in Smalltalk along the way. The apps are business accounting/investing style apps - not too technical. Iâm really not keen on the prospect of using any of the other âmainstreamâ alternatives we have today. Iâm confident I can build a domain model easily enough, but the Pharo environment is my stumbling point - especially building the GUI with Spec2. Iâm really spinning my wheels trying to get a useful Spec2 application built. It needs to have menus, a toolbar, tabbed notebooks, tree lists etc - plus a dozen or so tabular panes (to view/maintain my domain model). Ideally it would also be able to use ODBC or UDBC or Excel etc for transaction storage. Iâve been through all the building blocks in SpDemo but there a just too many concepts to familiarise with and test bit by bit as I buildup a more realistic functioning application. It has been very frustraing and time consuming. I understand why there are not yet solid guides available (book, tutorial, examples) , so I thought the best way would be to use an existing Spec2 application to help me get it going. I think this would save me many weeks of effort. Could anyone point me to at a working non-trivial application that I could share and use a starting point. Any suggestions to help me get into the heart of my application would be most welcomeâ¦!

May 11, 2021

Re: uFFI ffiCall return value

by TomaÅ¾ Turk

Thanks! Tomaz

May 10, 2021

Re: uFFI ffiCall return value

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hi, In practice it is the equivalent, since the ffiCall has a return type and it takes precedence over the ^ of Pharo. Personally, I often add the ^ to ffiCalls that have a return to easy the reading, but the output will be the same. Esteban On May 10 2021, at 2:12 pm, TomaÅ¾ Turk <tomaz.turk(a)ef.uni-lj.si> wrote: > Dear all, > > Should the method that calls Object>>#ffiCall: and variants always return the result of this call? For instance, in uFFI book, there is a method abs: defined as > > FFITutorial class >> abs: n [ > ^ self ffiCall: #( int abs (int n) ) > ] > > > on page 16, however > > FFITutorial >> abs: n [ > self ffiCall: #( int abs (int n) ) > ] > > > on page 52 doesn't have an explicit return ^. The book, however, in most of the examples uses the explicit return. What is the recommended approach? > > Thanks, > Tomaz

May 10, 2021

uFFI ffiCall return value

by TomaÅ¾ Turk

Dear all, Should the method that calls Object>>#ffiCall: and variants always return the result of this call? For instance, in uFFI book, there is a method abs: defined as FFITutorial class >> abs: n [ ^ self ffiCall: #( int abs (int n) ) ] on page 16, however FFITutorial >> abs: n [ self ffiCall: #( int abs (int n) ) ] on page 52 doesn't have an explicit return ^. The book, however, in most of the examples uses the explicit return. What is the recommended approach? Thanks, Tomaz

May 10, 2021

about class name

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hello Pharoers we are running building a tool to help understanding if class names are consistently named in a project. We run and are running xp with some of you. Now I was thinking that the idea and the tool could interest many of you. So if you want to run the xp here is the text: Nour is developing a tool to support the understanding of the coherence of class names. We would like to invite you to do a small experiment. The tool presents a visualisation of the distribution of the prefix/suffix (first/last word) extracted from class names. The idea is to detect inconsistencies in class names and correct them for a healthy evolution of the system. XP: === You can do the xp with other colleagues, it would be nice is you can do separately and then discuss together. But this is up to you. 30 or 60 minutes of your precious time should be enough to do the experiment which is planned as follows: - Read the pdf. This support contains detailed information and principles of the ClassNames Distribution. - how to load the tools - Help for the tool also provides a small summary of these principles as a reminder. - To have detailed feedback from which we can extract the necessary analysis, we would also like you to screen record during the whole experiment, and to talk freely. - Use the tool to detect inconsistencies, write down the changes you would like to make and discuss the classes you would like to rename. - Send us feedback (videos + number of renaming + ///) - Any other feedback is welcome :) we can help Let us know if you encounter problems. This experiment (with your feedbacks, the way you use the tool, the changes you would like to doâ¦) is part of the validation of our tool that we would like to describe in the journal paper we are currently preparing. Stef Nour and Anne -------------------------------------------- StÃ©phane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France

May 9, 2021

[ANN] Camp Smalltalk Supreme

by Richard Kenneth Eng

I have the green light to proceed with *Camp Smalltalk Supreme*, the 2022 50th anniversary edition of Camp Smalltalk. It's scheduled for June 10-12, 2022 at Ryerson University in Toronto, Canada. I've confirmed Adele Goldberg and FAST President Leandro Caniglia as keynote speakers for this very special event. Here is the official website: https://campsmalltalksupreme.wordpress.com/. Here is the promo video: https://youtu.be/ygsqpuSnR-4. Here is the GoFundMe campaign: https://gofund.me/225341e3. I'm also seeking corporate sponsorship. I hope many people will attend this event. It should be a blast. Richard

May 9, 2021

Fwd: [Esug-list] We are hiring a new software engineer (full time vacancy)

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> Begin forwarded message: > > From: Johan Brichau <johan(a)inceptive.be> > Subject: [Esug-list] We are hiring a new software engineer (full time vacancy) > Date: 6 May 2021 at 19:42:00 CEST > To: list ESUG Mailing <esug-list(a)lists.esug.org> > > ï»¿ > Hi fellow Smalltalkers, > > Do you like working with Smalltalk (Pharo, GemStone/S, Seaside, â¦) and you are also not afraid of spending time in other technologies like JavaScript (ReactJs), Java and devops aspects of running Smalltalk environments in production? > Then read on... > > At Yesplan (www.yesplan.be <http://www.yesplan.be/>), we are looking for a motivated and inspiring new colleague to join our ambitious software engineering team. > > Yesplan is an intuitive venue management web application. We are the leading software system for small and large theaters, concert halls and event venues in the Benelux and currently expanding in Europe and beyond. We strive for our users to enjoy using Yesplan, through intuitive and attractive design. Yesplan is continuously evolving software; we integrate with key apps and have an open API. > > As a software engineer at Yesplan, you work with the entire team on our entire technology stack: from the database and the backend to the front-end and integrations with other products. In addition to the technical implementation, you also participate in the analysis and design of product extensions and improvements. You also contribute to all devops processes, technical support and operational standby. > > We strive to deliver high quality through agile software development. If you've already done pair programming, code reviews, and daily stand-ups, and are committed to a devops culture with shared responsibilities, you'll probably fit right in. > We're looking for a team player who isn't afraid to express their opinion. It's through the continuous exchange of ideas and the occasional constructive discussion that we reach the best decisions for our product, our customers, and our team. > > Check out the full vacancy attached or at https://yesplan.be/en/vacancy/full-stack-software-engineer <https://yesplan.be/en/vacancy/full-stack-software-engineer> > > > Interested or just have same questions? > Send me an email at johan(a)yesplan.be <mailto:johan@yesplan.be> > > > Best regards > Johan > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list -- esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to esug-list-leave(a)lists.esug.org -------------------------------------------- StÃ©phane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France

May 6, 2021

Re: Class hierarchy diagram

by Alexandre Bergel

Good question. No idea what happenedâ¦ We will check. Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > On 5 May 2021, at 09:52, Sanjay Minni <sm(a)planage.com> wrote: > > I the Pharo9 Image dated 1-May-21 (Win 10 64 bit ) the UML view is not > appearing the the class browser bottom panel. > I loaded Roassal3 separately also. > > Is it coming for others ? > > > > > > ----- > cheers, > Sanjay > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

May 6, 2021

Re: [fus] Early march sync

by hogoww

Woups, sorry :D On 05/05/2021 13:23, hogoww wrote: > Hello, > > In today's sync we talked about the idea, progress, paper planing. > > Idea: > Basically the same as the previous mail so I'll not detail it here. > The Slides are trying to give some details & a global view. > They are, however not well ordered, and an inlining problem is missing. > I'll update them quickly this afternoon, and send them back, hopefully > this will help. > > > Progress: > I've done the poc to extract & graft a method. > (details in slides/mail) > > > Paper planning. > 2 papers planned (possibly 3 If I were to dream a bit) > First paper for GPCE on Transpiling & mutating tests. > I'm putting a very short description to see that we all agree and that > I'm not mistaken. > The point is to test *Slang*. > We are translating the tests and looking for asynchronicity for the > test execution between the simulation & binary. > This allows that the Slang compiler preserve the semantics. > > 2nd Paper on incremental compiler development > see Slides & previous mail. > A possible title would be: "Test driven incremental development of a > compiler using a software" > > > 3d Test prioritization > Possible heuristic on test prioritization > One is hinted in the last slide. > Noury offered another one which is to focus on getting fast green tests. > However this would require a new state of the art for a different domain. > > Next up: > - Work on paper > - Finding some mutations to apply on tests and classify them > - Try to get some numbers on results ! > > Pierre

May 5, 2021

[fus] Early march sync

by hogoww

Hello, In today's sync we talked about the idea, progress, paper planing. Idea: Basically the same as the previous mail so I'll not detail it here. The Slides are trying to give some details & a global view. They are, however not well ordered, and an inlining problem is missing. I'll update them quickly this afternoon, and send them back, hopefully this will help. Progress: I've done the poc to extract & graft a method. (details in slides/mail) Paper planning. 2 papers planned (possibly 3 If I were to dream a bit) First paper for GPCE on Transpiling & mutating tests. I'm putting a very short description to see that we all agree and that I'm not mistaken. The point is to test *Slang*. We are translating the tests and looking for asynchronicity for the test execution between the simulation & binary. This allows that the Slang compiler preserve the semantics. 2nd Paper on incremental compiler development see Slides & previous mail. A possible title would be: "Test driven incremental development of a compiler using a software" 3d Test prioritization Possible heuristic on test prioritization One is hinted in the last slide. Noury offered another one which is to focus on getting fast green tests. However this would require a new state of the art for a different domain. Next up: - Work on paper - Finding some mutations to apply on tests and classify them - Try to get some numbers on results ! Pierre

May 5, 2021

Re: Class hierarchy diagram

by Sanjay Minni

I the Pharo9 Image dated 1-May-21 (Win 10 64 bit ) the UML view is not appearing the the class browser bottom panel. I loaded Roassal3 separately also. Is it coming for others ? ----- cheers, Sanjay -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

May 5, 2021

Re: Creating an SDL (OSWindow) window without showing the pharo interface

by kmo

Yes, pharo is the script that starts the headless VM without the IDE (pharo-ui is the script that starts the headless VM with the IDE). Pharo.image is the default Pharo 9 image - obviously you can use your own tailored image. I downloaded the headless VM and the latest Pharo like this - curl https://get.pharo.org/64/90+vmHeadlessLatest | bash This installed everything into a folder. i opened a terminal on the folder and issued the command line I'm on Linux - not sure how this all works on Windows or Mac. By the way - I could not get this to work from Pharo Launcher - perhaps because I was using an older Pharo 9 - but despite editing the configuration in the Pharo Launcher nothing worked. Hope this helps. -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

May 3, 2021

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Freezing Pharo 9 development right now :)

by Norbert Hartl

Very good! Does it mean the release will be around august? Norbert > Am 30.04.2021 um 23:04 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)netc.eu>: > > Hi, > > So, today I was checking how much it is missing for release and what is our status, and I realized if we do not freeze now, we will never release in a reasonable time. > So, even if there are a couple of cleanups and that to still do that should happen before, I will declare that Pharo 9.0 enters in freeze Pharo 9.0 right now (and I will sneak the cleanups anyway, but being more careful). > > What does this means? > No more features, just bugfixes > No more fixes of things that can wait until Pharo 10 > > In two weeks I will open the Pharo 10 development branch, up to then, please help fixing what's missing (which is a lot) ! > > Have a great weekend, > > cheers! > Esteban

May 3, 2021

Re: Creating an SDL (OSWindow) window without showing the pharo interface

by Russ Whaley

What folder do you need to reference? Iâm assuming the VMS headless folder is the ./pharo? ... and Pharo.image is the path and image name for the particular image you want to use? On Sun, May 2, 2021 at 2:00 PM Russ Whaley <whaley.russ(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks! Canât wait to try it! > > On Sun, May 2, 2021 at 6:15 AM kmo <voxkmp(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Russ - >> >> The trick is to put the --no-quit after the eval not before it. I was >> putting it in the wrong place. >> >> This should work: >> >> ./pharo Pharo.image eval --no-quit "OSWindowWorldMorph new open" >> >> This works with the latest headless VM and Pharo 9. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Ken >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >> > -- > Russ Whaley > whaley.russ(a)gmail.com > -- Russ Whaley whaley.russ(a)gmail.com

May 2, 2021