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Re: Whats the easiest/cheapest way to run a Pharo web app in 2021?

by Esteban Maringolo

What do you use that's so cheap/affordable? El lun., 12 de abril de 2021 04:48, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> escribiÃ³: > > > > Am 12.04.2021 um 04:02 schrieb Jeff Gray <jeff(a)rogerthedog.com>: > > > > Considering easiest and cheapest, there's always self hosting, or are you > > discounting that idea? > > Most geeks have a bit of spare hardware laying around and broadband > > up-speeds aren't too bad. > > I'm guessing that if we are in the $5 a month ball park then we aren't > > needing a guaranteed up time. > > > > My cloud instance is 3â¬/month. With an additional 20% amount the instance > has a backup. And setting it up is way simpler then getting dynamic DNS > updates and all of that configured. Times have changed a bit. > > > Norbert

April 12, 2021

Re: Whats the easiest/cheapest way to run a Pharo web app in 2021?

by Jeff Gray

LOL - Yes, time marches forward, and definitely an old dog :-) That ( and some of the other services mentioned already) is pretty inexpensive. What storage do you get for your 3 euros? -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

April 12, 2021

Re: Problem with Pharo 9 - repositories missing

by David Pennington

That worked perfectly. I copied the three files across, created a new VM, copied my database and (apart from a single issue) everything worked fine. Thank you so much for your help. It never occurred to me that this would be possible. There is one big difference between Windows and the Mac but I will post that as a separate item. Again, many thanks. If you are interested, check out IPMS Clacton Web Site <http://www.ipms-clacton.org.uk/> and browse around David BTW, avid user of STON - crucial addition to my database. > On 12 Apr 2021, at 07:56, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > David, > > Since you have so much trouble building on Windows, I would suggest building a deployment image on macOS and then copy that over to Windows (*.image *.changes *.sources), install a VM on Windows, and run headless with a startup.st script. > > Sven > >> On 11 Apr 2021, at 13:43, <david(a)totallyobjects.com> <david(a)totallyobjects.com> wrote: >> >> Hi everyone. >> >> I have a simple talk, or so I thought. I am trying to port a Mac Pharo/Seaside project to either a Windows 2012 server or to a Windows 10 laptop. I have set up my git credentials and that all works fine. However, when I install either 8.0 or 9.0 on my Windows 10 laptop it shows he following >> Repositories -- status >> Pharo Local repository missing >> Pharo-spec2 Local repository missing >> Pharo-newtools Local repository missing >> Iceberg Local repository missing >> Libgit-pharo-bindings Local repository missing >> tonel Local repository missing >> >> What on earth is going on here as installing Pharo on my Mac was seamless. I have to get the project onto a Windows machine as these are the only servers that I have. I really canât be this difficult, can it? >> >> How do I get out of this mess, given that that is a clean install? >> David >> Totally Objects

April 12, 2021

Re: Whats the easiest/cheapest way to run a Pharo web app in 2021?

by Tim Mackinnon

That is cheap 3e/m is definitely worth consideringâ¦ but I guess you do have to take care of your own patching etc right (which isnât necessarily horrible, but does require a bit of extra effort to track things). I was interested in whether the next step up in the food chain using Docker images that are hosted for you, might lessen the burden a bit? E.g. if your CI injects a pharo image into the latest âsafeâ docker image from the community - then hopefully you are insulated from all of this. It does look like this is becoming a reality if that dockerize.io soln plays out (I got that working, its cheap - however they havenât answered any of my email queriesâ¦ so I do wonder how real it actually is). The fallback would definitely be something like Hetzner or Digital Ocean I guess. Tim > On 12 Apr 2021, at 08:47, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > > > >> Am 12.04.2021 um 04:02 schrieb Jeff Gray <jeff(a)rogerthedog.com>: >> >> Considering easiest and cheapest, there's always self hosting, or are you >> discounting that idea? >> Most geeks have a bit of spare hardware laying around and broadband >> up-speeds aren't too bad. >> I'm guessing that if we are in the $5 a month ball park then we aren't >> needing a guaranteed up time. >> > > My cloud instance is 3â¬/month. With an additional 20% amount the instance has a backup. And setting it up is way simpler then getting dynamic DNS updates and all of that configured. Times have changed a bit. > > > Norbert

April 12, 2021

Re: Whats the easiest/cheapest way to run a Pharo web app in 2021?

by Norbert Hartl

> Am 12.04.2021 um 04:02 schrieb Jeff Gray <jeff(a)rogerthedog.com>: > > Considering easiest and cheapest, there's always self hosting, or are you > discounting that idea? > Most geeks have a bit of spare hardware laying around and broadband > up-speeds aren't too bad. > I'm guessing that if we are in the $5 a month ball park then we aren't > needing a guaranteed up time. > My cloud instance is 3â¬/month. With an additional 20% amount the instance has a backup. And setting it up is way simpler then getting dynamic DNS updates and all of that configured. Times have changed a bit. Norbert

April 12, 2021

Re: Problem with Pharo 9 - repositories missing

by TomaÅ¾ Turk

Hi, I use Pharo 8 & 9, 32 & 64 on Windows 10 without any problems, except when packages use complex directory structure (path length challenge) that was already mentioned in Seaside thread and elsewhere. Repositories Pharo, Pharo-spec2 etc. are not needed for usual tasks, except if you would like to propose PRs for those - this is the only circumstance that I can think of. As Stephane said, "the code of the projects is in your image/changes", so nothing is missing for the business as usual. I don't know if these get copied from github automatically on MacOS, though, but what would be the purpose of that? Best wishes, Tomaz

April 12, 2021

Re: Problem with Pharo 9 - repositories missing

by Richard Sargent

Sven and everyone else, these are good, pragmatic suggestions. But, the lack of understanding is surely frustrating for David (and for me watching from the sidelines). Can anyone explain why the Windows experience is so radically different from everything else? (Ok, I admit that Windows is a horrible p.o.s. But, it's not some non-human language that cannot be understood. (Ok. Maybe it is.)) On April 11, 2021 11:56:08 PM PDT, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >David, > >Since you have so much trouble building on Windows, I would suggest >building a deployment image on macOS and then copy that over to Windows >(*.image *.changes *.sources), install a VM on Windows, and run >headless with a startup.st script. > >Sven > >> On 11 Apr 2021, at 13:43, <david(a)totallyobjects.com> ><david(a)totallyobjects.com> wrote: >> >> Hi everyone. >> >> I have a simple talk, or so I thought. I am trying to port a Mac >Pharo/Seaside project to either a Windows 2012 server or to a Windows >10 laptop. I have set up my git credentials and that all works fine. >However, when I install either 8.0 or 9.0 on my Windows 10 laptop it >shows he following >> Repositories -- status >> Pharo Local repository missing >> Pharo-spec2 Local repository missing >> Pharo-newtools Local repository >missing >> Iceberg Local repository missing >> Libgit-pharo-bindings Local repository missing >> tonel Local repository missing >> >> What on earth is going on here as installing Pharo on my Mac was >seamless. I have to get the project onto a Windows machine as these are >the only servers that I have. I really canât be this difficult, can it? >> >> How do I get out of this mess, given that that is a clean install? >> David >> Totally Objects

April 12, 2021

Re: Problem with Pharo 9 - repositories missing

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

David, Since you have so much trouble building on Windows, I would suggest building a deployment image on macOS and then copy that over to Windows (*.image *.changes *.sources), install a VM on Windows, and run headless with a startup.st script. Sven > On 11 Apr 2021, at 13:43, <david(a)totallyobjects.com> <david(a)totallyobjects.com> wrote: > > Hi everyone. > > I have a simple talk, or so I thought. I am trying to port a Mac Pharo/Seaside project to either a Windows 2012 server or to a Windows 10 laptop. I have set up my git credentials and that all works fine. However, when I install either 8.0 or 9.0 on my Windows 10 laptop it shows he following > Repositories -- status > Pharo Local repository missing > Pharo-spec2 Local repository missing > Pharo-newtools Local repository missing > Iceberg Local repository missing > Libgit-pharo-bindings Local repository missing > tonel Local repository missing > > What on earth is going on here as installing Pharo on my Mac was seamless. I have to get the project onto a Windows machine as these are the only servers that I have. I really canât be this difficult, can it? > > How do I get out of this mess, given that that is a clean install? > David > Totally Objects

April 12, 2021

Re: Whats the easiest/cheapest way to run a Pharo web app in 2021?

by Jeff Gray

Considering easiest and cheapest, there's always self hosting, or are you discounting that idea? Most geeks have a bit of spare hardware laying around and broadband up-speeds aren't too bad. I'm guessing that if we are in the $5 a month ball park then we aren't needing a guaranteed up time. -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

April 12, 2021

Re: Problem with Pharo 9 - repositories missing

by Sebastian Jordan

You have to set up your repositories through a fork. You can read: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/wiki/Contribute-a-fix-to-Pharo#step-… That applies for all repositories: iceberg, spec2, etc. ________________________________ From: david(a)totallyobjects.com <david(a)totallyobjects.com> Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 7:43:17 AM To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> Subject: [Pharo-users] Problem with Pharo 9 - repositories missing Hi everyone. I have a simple talk, or so I thought. I am trying to port a Mac Pharo/Seaside project to either a Windows 2012 server or to a Windows 10 laptop. I have set up my git credentials and that all works fine. However, when I install either 8.0 or 9.0 on my Windows 10 laptop it shows he following Repositories -- status Pharo Local repository missing Pharo-spec2 Local repository missing Pharo-newtools Local repository missing Iceberg Local repository missing Libgit-pharo-bindings Local repository missing tonel Local repository missing What on earth is going on here as installing Pharo on my Mac was seamless. I have to get the project onto a Windows machine as these are the only servers that I have. I really canât be this difficult, can it? How do I get out of this mess, given that that is a clean install? David Totally Objects

April 11, 2021