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Re: Whats the easiest/cheapest way to run a Pharo web app in 2021?

by Esteban Maringolo

What do you use that's so cheap/affordable? El lun., 12 de abril de 2021 04:48, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> escribiÃ³: > > > > Am 12.04.2021 um 04:02 schrieb Jeff Gray <jeff(a)rogerthedog.com>: > > > > Considering easiest and cheapest, there's always self hosting, or are you > > discounting that idea? > > Most geeks have a bit of spare hardware laying around and broadband > > up-speeds aren't too bad. > > I'm guessing that if we are in the $5 a month ball park then we aren't > > needing a guaranteed up time. > > > > My cloud instance is 3â¬/month. With an additional 20% amount the instance > has a backup. And setting it up is way simpler then getting dynamic DNS > updates and all of that configured. Times have changed a bit. > > > Norbert

April 12, 2021

Re: Whats the easiest/cheapest way to run a Pharo web app in 2021?

by Jeff Gray

LOL - Yes, time marches forward, and definitely an old dog :-) That ( and some of the other services mentioned already) is pretty inexpensive. What storage do you get for your 3 euros? -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

April 12, 2021

Re: Problem with Pharo 9 - repositories missing

by David Pennington

That worked perfectly. I copied the three files across, created a new VM, copied my database and (apart from a single issue) everything worked fine. Thank you so much for your help. It never occurred to me that this would be possible. There is one big difference between Windows and the Mac but I will post that as a separate item. Again, many thanks. If you are interested, check out IPMS Clacton Web Site <http://www.ipms-clacton.org.uk/> and browse around David BTW, avid user of STON - crucial addition to my database. > On 12 Apr 2021, at 07:56, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > David, > > Since you have so much trouble building on Windows, I would suggest building a deployment image on macOS and then copy that over to Windows (*.image *.changes *.sources), install a VM on Windows, and run headless with a startup.st script. > > Sven > >> On 11 Apr 2021, at 13:43, <david(a)totallyobjects.com> <david(a)totallyobjects.com> wrote: >> >> Hi everyone. >> >> I have a simple talk, or so I thought. I am trying to port a Mac Pharo/Seaside project to either a Windows 2012 server or to a Windows 10 laptop. I have set up my git credentials and that all works fine. However, when I install either 8.0 or 9.0 on my Windows 10 laptop it shows he following >> Repositories -- status >> Pharo Local repository missing >> Pharo-spec2 Local repository missing >> Pharo-newtools Local repository missing >> Iceberg Local repository missing >> Libgit-pharo-bindings Local repository missing >> tonel Local repository missing >> >> What on earth is going on here as installing Pharo on my Mac was seamless. I have to get the project onto a Windows machine as these are the only servers that I have. I really canât be this difficult, can it? >> >> How do I get out of this mess, given that that is a clean install? >> David >> Totally Objects

April 12, 2021

Re: Whats the easiest/cheapest way to run a Pharo web app in 2021?

by Tim Mackinnon

That is cheap 3e/m is definitely worth consideringâ¦ but I guess you do have to take care of your own patching etc right (which isnât necessarily horrible, but does require a bit of extra effort to track things). I was interested in whether the next step up in the food chain using Docker images that are hosted for you, might lessen the burden a bit? E.g. if your CI injects a pharo image into the latest âsafeâ docker image from the community - then hopefully you are insulated from all of this. It does look like this is becoming a reality if that dockerize.io soln plays out (I got that working, its cheap - however they havenât answered any of my email queriesâ¦ so I do wonder how real it actually is). The fallback would definitely be something like Hetzner or Digital Ocean I guess. Tim > On 12 Apr 2021, at 08:47, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > > > >> Am 12.04.2021 um 04:02 schrieb Jeff Gray <jeff(a)rogerthedog.com>: >> >> Considering easiest and cheapest, there's always self hosting, or are you >> discounting that idea? >> Most geeks have a bit of spare hardware laying around and broadband >> up-speeds aren't too bad. >> I'm guessing that if we are in the $5 a month ball park then we aren't >> needing a guaranteed up time. >> > > My cloud instance is 3â¬/month. With an additional 20% amount the instance has a backup. And setting it up is way simpler then getting dynamic DNS updates and all of that configured. Times have changed a bit. > > > Norbert

April 12, 2021

Re: Whats the easiest/cheapest way to run a Pharo web app in 2021?

by Norbert Hartl

> Am 12.04.2021 um 04:02 schrieb Jeff Gray <jeff(a)rogerthedog.com>: > > Considering easiest and cheapest, there's always self hosting, or are you > discounting that idea? > Most geeks have a bit of spare hardware laying around and broadband > up-speeds aren't too bad. > I'm guessing that if we are in the $5 a month ball park then we aren't > needing a guaranteed up time. > My cloud instance is 3â¬/month. With an additional 20% amount the instance has a backup. And setting it up is way simpler then getting dynamic DNS updates and all of that configured. Times have changed a bit. Norbert

April 12, 2021

Re: Problem with Pharo 9 - repositories missing

by TomaÅ¾ Turk

Hi, I use Pharo 8 & 9, 32 & 64 on Windows 10 without any problems, except when packages use complex directory structure (path length challenge) that was already mentioned in Seaside thread and elsewhere. Repositories Pharo, Pharo-spec2 etc. are not needed for usual tasks, except if you would like to propose PRs for those - this is the only circumstance that I can think of. As Stephane said, "the code of the projects is in your image/changes", so nothing is missing for the business as usual. I don't know if these get copied from github automatically on MacOS, though, but what would be the purpose of that? Best wishes, Tomaz

April 12, 2021

Re: Problem with Pharo 9 - repositories missing

by Richard Sargent

Sven and everyone else, these are good, pragmatic suggestions. But, the lack of understanding is surely frustrating for David (and for me watching from the sidelines). Can anyone explain why the Windows experience is so radically different from everything else? (Ok, I admit that Windows is a horrible p.o.s. But, it's not some non-human language that cannot be understood. (Ok. Maybe it is.)) On April 11, 2021 11:56:08 PM PDT, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >David, > >Since you have so much trouble building on Windows, I would suggest >building a deployment image on macOS and then copy that over to Windows >(*.image *.changes *.sources), install a VM on Windows, and run >headless with a startup.st script. > >Sven > >> On 11 Apr 2021, at 13:43, <david(a)totallyobjects.com> ><david(a)totallyobjects.com> wrote: >> >> Hi everyone. >> >> I have a simple talk, or so I thought. I am trying to port a Mac >Pharo/Seaside project to either a Windows 2012 server or to a Windows >10 laptop. I have set up my git credentials and that all works fine. >However, when I install either 8.0 or 9.0 on my Windows 10 laptop it >shows he following >> Repositories -- status >> Pharo Local repository missing >> Pharo-spec2 Local repository missing >> Pharo-newtools Local repository >missing >> Iceberg Local repository missing >> Libgit-pharo-bindings Local repository missing >> tonel Local repository missing >> >> What on earth is going on here as installing Pharo on my Mac was >seamless. I have to get the project onto a Windows machine as these are >the only servers that I have. I really canât be this difficult, can it? >> >> How do I get out of this mess, given that that is a clean install? >> David >> Totally Objects

April 12, 2021

Re: Problem with Pharo 9 - repositories missing

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

David, Since you have so much trouble building on Windows, I would suggest building a deployment image on macOS and then copy that over to Windows (*.image *.changes *.sources), install a VM on Windows, and run headless with a startup.st script. Sven > On 11 Apr 2021, at 13:43, <david(a)totallyobjects.com> <david(a)totallyobjects.com> wrote: > > Hi everyone. > > I have a simple talk, or so I thought. I am trying to port a Mac Pharo/Seaside project to either a Windows 2012 server or to a Windows 10 laptop. I have set up my git credentials and that all works fine. However, when I install either 8.0 or 9.0 on my Windows 10 laptop it shows he following > Repositories -- status > Pharo Local repository missing > Pharo-spec2 Local repository missing > Pharo-newtools Local repository missing > Iceberg Local repository missing > Libgit-pharo-bindings Local repository missing > tonel Local repository missing > > What on earth is going on here as installing Pharo on my Mac was seamless. I have to get the project onto a Windows machine as these are the only servers that I have. I really canât be this difficult, can it? > > How do I get out of this mess, given that that is a clean install? > David > Totally Objects

April 12, 2021

Re: Whats the easiest/cheapest way to run a Pharo web app in 2021?

by Jeff Gray

Considering easiest and cheapest, there's always self hosting, or are you discounting that idea? Most geeks have a bit of spare hardware laying around and broadband up-speeds aren't too bad. I'm guessing that if we are in the $5 a month ball park then we aren't needing a guaranteed up time. -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

April 12, 2021

Re: Problem with Pharo 9 - repositories missing

by Sebastian Jordan

You have to set up your repositories through a fork. You can read: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/wiki/Contribute-a-fix-to-Pharo#step-… That applies for all repositories: iceberg, spec2, etc. ________________________________ From: david(a)totallyobjects.com <david(a)totallyobjects.com> Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 7:43:17 AM To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> Subject: [Pharo-users] Problem with Pharo 9 - repositories missing Hi everyone. I have a simple talk, or so I thought. I am trying to port a Mac Pharo/Seaside project to either a Windows 2012 server or to a Windows 10 laptop. I have set up my git credentials and that all works fine. However, when I install either 8.0 or 9.0 on my Windows 10 laptop it shows he following Repositories -- status Pharo Local repository missing Pharo-spec2 Local repository missing Pharo-newtools Local repository missing Iceberg Local repository missing Libgit-pharo-bindings Local repository missing tonel Local repository missing What on earth is going on here as installing Pharo on my Mac was seamless. I have to get the project onto a Windows machine as these are the only servers that I have. I really canât be this difficult, can it? How do I get out of this mess, given that that is a clean install? David Totally Objects

April 11, 2021

Re: Problem with Pharo 9 - repositories missing

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

What the system is telling you is that: while the code of the projects is in your image/changes, the system does not know (it cannot invent because you could running it on the moon or mars for example) where are the git repositories where it could find the working copies and the versionned elements of such packages. I think that the status is pretty clear. So if you want to load code via git from your new machine there is no magic. Git is a distributed versioning system so you have to clone your repo locally and tell it to Pharo. Now iceberg is quite cool because if you do repair it will - clone - configure your working so that it correspond to the code version in your image - probably fetching some version. In fact there is no difference between your mac talking to github and another repository. You have local and remotes + pharo (another kind of local). So Pharo alone can work but it cannot guess where you decided to store your local git repositories. I hope that it helps. S > On 11 Apr 2021, at 13:43, David(a)totallyobjects.com wrote: > > Hi everyone. > > I have a simple talk, or so I thought. I am trying to port a Mac Pharo/Seaside project to either a Windows 2012 server or to a Windows 10 laptop. I have set up my git credentials and that all works fine. However, when I install either 8.0 or 9.0 on my Windows 10 laptop it shows he following > Repositories -- status > Pharo Local repository missing > Pharo-spec2 Local repository missing > Pharo-newtools Local repository missing > Iceberg Local repository missing > Libgit-pharo-bindings Local repository missing > tonel Local repository missing > > What on earth is going on here as installing Pharo on my Mac was seamless. I have to get the project onto a Windows machine as these are the only servers that I have. I really canât be this difficult, can it? > > How do I get out of this mess, given that that is a clean install? > David > Totally Objects -------------------------------------------- StÃ©phane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France

April 11, 2021

Problem with Pharo 9 - repositories missing

by david＠totallyobjects.com

Hi everyone. I have a simple talk, or so I thought. I am trying to port a Mac Pharo/Seaside project to either a Windows 2012 server or to a Windows 10 laptop. I have set up my git credentials and that all works fine. However, when I install either 8.0 or 9.0 on my Windows 10 laptop it shows he following Repositories -- status Pharo Local repository missing Pharo-spec2 Local repository missing Pharo-newtools Local repository missing Iceberg Local repository missing Libgit-pharo-bindings Local repository missing tonel Local repository missing What on earth is going on here as installing Pharo on my Mac was seamless. I have to get the project onto a Windows machine as these are the only servers that I have. I really can't be this difficult, can it? How do I get out of this mess, given that that is a clean install? David Totally Objects

April 11, 2021

Re: Whats the easiest/cheapest way to run a Pharo web app in 2021?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> On 10 Apr 2021, at 10:34, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > > I have the same. A cloud instance at Hetzner, nginx as webserver using certbot for automatic SSL generation. I also use a static site generator which I wrote myself to produce my blog https://norbert.hartl.name <https://norbert.hartl.name/> . I use the skeleton CSS library which is tiny and understandable and does not need tons of markup. > > This is one of my playgrounds for pillar and microdown. I think pharo settles around this combination to produce documents which is very well suited to produce a website, too. Leo a new student is arriving next week to work on pillar and help to start with. > > Norbert > >> Am 09.04.2021 um 03:33 schrieb Pierce Ng <pierce(a)samadhiweb.com <mailto:pierce@samadhiweb.com>>: >> >> On Thu, Apr 08, 2021 at 11:58:10AM +0100, Tim Mackinnon wrote: >>> Pierce - who/where are you rnning your Docker image? Do you use a >>> particular service (or are you running your own?) >> >> I am using a Linux VPS which I manage myself. >> >> The Pharo application is my blog. It was a web app fronted by a HTTPS >> reverse proxy. At the start of this year I rewrote it into a static site >> generator. Instead of running all the time, Pharo is now invoked when >> triggered by a CI hook, which happens when I publish a new blog post or >> otherwise update my site. >> >> I play with all kinds of software on my VPS and it was getting a bit RAM >> cramped, hence the rewrite. Wasn't willing to spend more money every month >> for more RAM. :-P >> >> Pierce > -------------------------------------------- StÃ©phane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France

April 10, 2021

Re: Whats the easiest/cheapest way to run a Pharo web app in 2021?

by Norbert Hartl

I have the same. A cloud instance at Hetzner, nginx as webserver using certbot for automatic SSL generation. I also use a static site generator which I wrote myself to produce my blog https://norbert.hartl.name <https://norbert.hartl.name/> . I use the skeleton CSS library which is tiny and understandable and does not need tons of markup. This is one of my playgrounds for pillar and microdown. I think pharo settles around this combination to produce documents which is very well suited to produce a website, too. Norbert > Am 09.04.2021 um 03:33 schrieb Pierce Ng <pierce(a)samadhiweb.com>: > > On Thu, Apr 08, 2021 at 11:58:10AM +0100, Tim Mackinnon wrote: >> Pierce - who/where are you rnning your Docker image? Do you use a >> particular service (or are you running your own?) > > I am using a Linux VPS which I manage myself. > > The Pharo application is my blog. It was a web app fronted by a HTTPS > reverse proxy. At the start of this year I rewrote it into a static site > generator. Instead of running all the time, Pharo is now invoked when > triggered by a CI hook, which happens when I publish a new blog post or > otherwise update my site. > > I play with all kinds of software on my VPS and it was getting a bit RAM > cramped, hence the rewrite. Wasn't willing to spend more money every month > for more RAM. :-P > > Pierce

April 10, 2021

Re: Whats the easiest/cheapest way to run a Pharo web app in 2021?

by Pierce Ng

On Thu, Apr 08, 2021 at 11:58:10AM +0100, Tim Mackinnon wrote: > Pierce - who/where are you rnning your Docker image? Do you use a > particular service (or are you running your own?) I am using a Linux VPS which I manage myself. The Pharo application is my blog. It was a web app fronted by a HTTPS reverse proxy. At the start of this year I rewrote it into a static site generator. Instead of running all the time, Pharo is now invoked when triggered by a CI hook, which happens when I publish a new blog post or otherwise update my site. I play with all kinds of software on my VPS and it was getting a bit RAM cramped, hence the rewrite. Wasn't willing to spend more money every month for more RAM. :-P Pierce

April 9, 2021

Re: Whats the easiest/cheapest way to run a Pharo web app in 2021?

by Tim Mackinnon

Head slap.... I completely forgot I could do that, thanks for reminding Pierce (its almost better as well, as you can build your image, save it, then run tests on it, and then if it passes all your stages you can included the saved version in your docker build... which sits better with me as it also means that log artifacts etc can be more easily examined for failures (and your not trying to console into a docker image to figure it out). As a nice side effect - if you are doing this in something like Gitlab - you have your project source already there and so you can avoid an extra checkout step, so its a little bit faster. Pierce - who/where are you rnning your Docker image? Do you use a particular service (or are you running your own?) Tim On Thu, 8 Apr 2021, at 4:29 AM, Pierce Ng wrote: > On Wed, Apr 07, 2021 at 02:21:14AM +0100, Tim Mackinnon wrote: > > I also feel its quite important to call out that the "eval 'Metacello > > new..." command referenced in the DockerFile RUN - is only going to work > > Hi, > > I build my Pharo image outside of Docker. My Dockerfile then packages the > built image plus whatever artefacts required into a Docker image. I am > using my Alpine Linux-based VM. > > GH: https://github.com/pharo-contributions/Docker-Alpine/ > DH: https://hub.docker.com/r/pierceng/pharovm-alpine > > Pierce >

April 8, 2021

Re: Whats the easiest/cheapest way to run a Pharo web app in 2021?

by Pierce Ng

On Wed, Apr 07, 2021 at 02:21:14AM +0100, Tim Mackinnon wrote: > I also feel its quite important to call out that the "eval 'Metacello > new..." command referenced in the DockerFile RUN - is only going to work Hi, I build my Pharo image outside of Docker. My Dockerfile then packages the built image plus whatever artefacts required into a Docker image. I am using my Alpine Linux-based VM. GH: https://github.com/pharo-contributions/Docker-Alpine/ DH: https://hub.docker.com/r/pierceng/pharovm-alpine Pierce

April 8, 2021

Re: Help Needed: Looking for projects to use in a study of transforming deprecations

by Sebastian Jordan

Hi Oleksandr, Nice project! I don't have a project recommendation but maybe my project can be useful to you. One of the functionalities allows you to apply multiple transformation rules in a custom set of classes (or all classes in Pharo image). https://github.com/jordanmontt/RewriteToolsSet ________________________________ De: Oleksandr Zaitsev <olk.zaytsev(a)gmail.com> Enviado: martes, 6 de abril de 2021 08:50 Para: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> Cc: StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>; Nicolas Anquetil <nicolas.anquetil(a)inria.fr>; arnaud.thiefaine(a)arolla.fr <arnaud.thiefaine(a)arolla.fr> Asunto: [Pharo-users] Help Needed: Looking for projects to use in a study of transforming deprecations Hello, I need your help to recommend some projects that I can use in my study of transforming deprecations. As many of you know, Pharo supports a very powerful concept of "transforming" deprecations. You can deprecate a method, providing a transformation rule. Then when a client application calls the deprecated method, the call-site will be automatically rewritten to use the new API. Here is an example of a transforming deprecation: Collection >> includesAllOf: values self deprecated: âUse #includesAll: insteadâ transformWith: â`@rec includesAllOf: `@argâ -> â`@rec includesAll: `@argâ. ^ self includesAll: values You can read more about transforming deprecations in my blog post: https://blog.oleks.fr/deprewriter<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fblog.oleks…> I am working on a tool that can analyse the commit history of a project and recommend deprecations and transformation rules that can be inserted before the release. It works like this: 1. Collect all commits between two releases of a project 2. Mine those commits to identify method call replacements (deletions and additions) that happen frequently 3. Infer the mapping between the methods of the old and new API 4. Recommend deprecations and generate transformation rules I have validated my approach on Pharo, Moose, Pillar, Famix, and DataFrame projects. Now I am looking for other projects that could benefit from recommended deprecations and could be used in my study. Required: - open source project with accessible commit history (e.g. public git repository) - written in Pharo (although if you know projects in other languages that could be interesting for my study, please let me know about them as well) Prefered: - ongoing development - multiple releases - has users (other projects that depend on it) If you have some projects in mind, please let me know about them! And if you are interested in this study and want to learn more, don't hesitate to contact me by email. Oleksandr

April 7, 2021

Re: Whats the easiest/cheapest way to run a Pharo web app in 2021?

by Tim Mackinnon

Thought it might be useful for anyone who has read Pabloâs blog post - this is a comment that I have tried to add (hopefully it will come through there): Nice article which was very helpful in getting me quickly up to speed on deploying a Pharo app with Docker. It might be worth adding a small addendum - when build doing a "docker build" I had some issues, and adding an additional switch "--progress=plain" gives much more verbose output that can help better see whats going on. I also feel its quite important to call out that the "eval 'Metacello new..." command referenced in the DockerFile RUN - is only going to work on a public repository. This had me stumped when I tried the example on my repository - and its made particularly mysterious because the Docker output (even with --progress=plain) shows nothing - it just echo's the VM info text and then stops and hangs. I think this is something that should be addressed either by the BA Docker image (I've reported it as an issue there for now) or by Pharo (in my case it was P8). I am guessing that there is a credentials error/system prompter sitting waiting for user input. I think there should be a way to disable this behaviour somehow - but at the very least it should write something out to stderr so that you know something has happened? Luckily there is an easy fix (for anyone wanting to load their own private project) - rather than using the "eval" command, use the "st" command and specify a load.st script. In this script specify some IceCredentialStore details eg: IceCredentialStore current storeCredential: (IceTokenCredentials new username: 'email(a)mail.com'; token: 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'; yourself) forHostname: 'gitlab.com'. Metacello new baseline: 'myapp'; repository: 'gitlab://me/repo''; onConflict: [ :ex | ex useLoaded ]; onUpgradeUseLoaded; onWarningLog; load. Hopefully this might help anyone else directed here. I also added some extra logging to my load.st - eg. | logger | logger := Stdio stderr. logger crlf; nextPutAll: 'Starting Load Script...'. Tim > On 6 Apr 2021, at 18:09, Tim Mackinnon <tim(a)testit.works> wrote: > > Adding some thoughts to my own post - I have experimented with dockerize.io <http://dockerize.io/> and so far the $2 plan (which so far I haven't been charged for) has been quite adequate for hosting something simple (and I suspect the $5 plan would do the trick as well). > > It does get a bit more pricey when you add a database and unlimited traffic (60GB MySQL Database: 4GB, 1000m + no traffic + 60GB persistance + 100 mb logs = $26/m) - but even then thats pretty good. > > It was relatively easy to do (doesn't have native Github integration yet, but has a cli for easy deployment) , and given what Esteban mentioned of his experience - this seems worth pursuing for ease of deployment/maintenance. > > I did find Pablo's instructions were a bit limited - in particular covering a private repo (and how Pharo and the BA docker image give no output on credential failure - I've raised an issue on BA github, but may be a pharo thing - not yet sure - but it is quite easy to overcome). It also doesn't cover safe credential storage and best practices etc. (so hopefully a future article from someone more experienced in this?) > > I'm curious if others have experienced anything similar they can share? I am a bit nervous the dockerize.io <http://dockerize.io/> has little history (been around since 2019 allegedly) - but for my experimentation its fine. Others may need more, and I'm wondering where to help document this as deployment is a big stumbling block - that we actually can handle quite well with recent tooling. > > In this vein - I wonder where SmalltalkCI sits? Do you need it for a plain Pharo app - you just need to grep the output of Metacello and your test runner - but perhaps it does this better (I can see the need for building multiple platforms etc). > > Tim > > > > On Fri, 2 Apr 2021, at 10:32 AM, Tim Mackinnon wrote: >> Thanks Sanjay - you have reminded me that I have some similar notes somewhere (now located) that did the command line foo to get things running - looking at mine there was quite a big of dance to provide a way to gracefully stop and start the image so that you can easily and automatically redeploy your changes (read: use Github actions or Gitlab CI). >> >> So Iâm curious on whether Docker is now sufficiently stable stable/easy/cheap to make it a viable alternative - and whether that is also cost efficient. >> >> Pablo wrote a recent blog post on running Pharo in Docker using the BA images - https://thepharo.dev/2021/02/24/running-pharo-9-in-docker/ <https://thepharo.dev/2021/02/24/running-pharo-9-in-docker/> - but while easy on the surface, if anything goes wrong - there seems to be very little debug output to know what has happened (Iâll post separately on this - as Iâm looking at comparing options here). >> >> With Docker options, I notice that dockerize.io <http://dockerize.io/> (not used, just a quick search) - has a micro plan for $2/m - but is 500mb ram enough (there is a $5 one for 1gm ram). >> >> Or - I stick with DigitalOcean and roll my own like before - and perhaps that has got a bit simpler. >> >> Iâm still curious what the wider community is doing. >> >> >> Tim >> >>> On 2 Apr 2021, at 05:43, Sanjay Minni <sm(a)planage.com <mailto:sm@planage.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Tim >>> >>> Here are my notes on installing Pharo in a DigitalOcean Ubuntu droplet. >>> I usually go thru a Windows Command prompt box having installed xfec4 in the ubuntu droplet, but the command line connect and graphical remote may be easier for a Linux users. my ssh public key is also in the DO droplet >>> Now the first step for me is a installing Pharo launcher thru command line and then everything is thru graphical interface >>> >>> Installing and checking Pharo-Launcher, Installing Pharo 8 64 bit from pharo.org <http://pharo.org/> (instructions as on Pharo.org <http://pharo.org/>) >>> 1. In Windows 10 command prompt connect thru > ssh root@<Droplet-ip> >>> 2. cd >>> 3. curl -o pharo-launcher.zip -L https://files.pharo.org/pharo-launcher/linux64 <https://files.pharo.org/pharo-launcher/linux64> >>> 4. unzip pharo-launcher.zip >>> or thru the GUI-> extract here >>> (pharo-launcher files will be extracted in ./pharo-launcher) >>> Now while connected to the linux graphical interface thru windows remote terminal and in the GUI >>> 5. Create a icon on desktop thru right-click âCreate Launcherâ for pharo-launcher >>> 6. Create pharo images thru pharo-launcher >>> >>> hope this is of use >>> >>> Sanjay Minni >>> >>> On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 16:31, Tim Mackinnon <tim(a)testit.works <mailto:tim@testit.works>> wrote: >>> Hi everyone - its been a few year since I last hosted a little Pharo web app - and the last time I did, Sven pointed me to DigitalOcean and creating a tiny instance and configuring an Ubuntu server and then copying a pharo image on to that. It recall it wasnât too bad, albeit a bit fiddlyâ¦ >>> >>> Now several years later - I canât recall the exact steps, and vaguely recall there was something about 32bit vs 64bit setup etc - but am wondering if things have advanced a bit and whether its much simpler these days? Iâve seen references to Docker images for Pharo, and am wondering if now that is a prime time way to easily get a small demo application up and running with minimal fuss. >>> >>> Does anyone have advice - or something to point me to? >>> >>> Ideally I want to hook something up in Gitlab CI do deploy to this thing automatically (this is where I got to a few years ago - but in picking things back up I am hoping this has all got much simpler). >>> >>> Tim

April 7, 2021

Re: Help Needed: Looking for projects to use in a study of transforming deprecations

by Richard O'Keefe

This sounds like a very nice tool. Just a word about this particular example: Collection >> includesAllOf: values self deprecated: âUse #includesAll: insteadâ transformWith: â`@rec includesAllOf: `@argâ -> â`@rec includesAll: `@argâ. ^ self includesAll: values Surely this is back to front? #includesAllOf: reads well and is compatible with GNU Smalltalk (and classic Squeak), while #includesAll: doesn't work in most of the Smalltalks I have access to. My own library has {includes,excludes}{All,Any,None,One}Of: which wouldn't read nearly so well without "Of". On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 at 00:50, Oleksandr Zaitsev <olk.zaytsev(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > I need your help to recommend some projects that I can use in my study of > transforming deprecations. > > As many of you know, Pharo supports a very powerful concept of > "transforming" deprecations. You can deprecate a method, providing a > transformation rule. Then when a client application calls the deprecated > method, the call-site will be automatically rewritten to use the new API. > Here is an example of a transforming deprecation: > > Collection >> includesAllOf: values > self > deprecated: âUse #includesAll: insteadâ > transformWith: â`@rec includesAllOf: `@argâ -> > â`@rec includesAll: `@argâ. > > ^ self includesAll: values > > > You can read more about transforming deprecations in my blog post: > https://blog.oleks.fr/deprewriter > > I am working on a tool that can analyse the commit history of a project > and recommend deprecations and transformation rules that can be inserted > before the release. It works like this: > > 1. Collect all commits between two releases of a project > 2. Mine those commits to identify method call replacements (deletions and > additions) that happen frequently > 3. Infer the mapping between the methods of the old and new API > 4. Recommend deprecations and generate transformation rules > > I have validated my approach on Pharo, Moose, Pillar, Famix, and DataFrame > projects. > > Now I am looking for other projects that could benefit from recommended > deprecations and could be used in my study. > > *Required:* > - open source project with accessible commit history (e.g. public git > repository) > - written in Pharo (although if you know projects in other languages that > could be interesting for my study, please let me know about them as well) > > *Prefered:* > - ongoing development > - multiple releases > - has users (other projects that depend on it) > > If you have some projects in mind, please let me know about them! > > And if you are interested in this study and want to learn more, don't > hesitate to contact me by email. > > Oleksandr > > >

April 6, 2021

Re: Whats the easiest/cheapest way to run a Pharo web app in 2021?

by Tim Mackinnon

Adding some thoughts to my own post - I have experimented with dockerize.io and so far the $2 plan (which so far I haven't been charged for) has been quite adequate for hosting something simple (and I suspect the $5 plan would do the trick as well). It does get a bit more pricey when you add a database and unlimited traffic (60GB MySQL Database: 4GB, 1000m + no traffic + 60GB persistance + 100 mb logs = $26/m) - but even then thats pretty good. It was relatively easy to do (doesn't have native Github integration yet, but has a cli for easy deployment) , and given what Esteban mentioned of his experience - this seems worth pursuing for ease of deployment/maintenance. I did find Pablo's instructions were a bit limited - in particular covering a private repo (and how Pharo and the BA docker image give no output on credential failure - I've raised an issue on BA github, but may be a pharo thing - not yet sure - but it is quite easy to overcome). It also doesn't cover safe credential storage and best practices etc. (so hopefully a future article from someone more experienced in this?) I'm curious if others have experienced anything similar they can share? I am a bit nervous the dockerize.io has little history (been around since 2019 allegedly) - but for my experimentation its fine. Others may need more, and I'm wondering where to help document this as deployment is a big stumbling block - that we actually can handle quite well with recent tooling. In this vein - I wonder where SmalltalkCI sits? Do you need it for a plain Pharo app - you just need to grep the output of Metacello and your test runner - but perhaps it does this better (I can see the need for building multiple platforms etc). Tim On Fri, 2 Apr 2021, at 10:32 AM, Tim Mackinnon wrote: > Thanks Sanjay - you have reminded me that I have some similar notes somewhere (now located) that did the command line foo to get things running - looking at mine there was quite a big of dance to provide a way to gracefully stop and start the image so that you can easily and automatically redeploy your changes (read: use Github actions or Gitlab CI). > > So Iâm curious on whether Docker is now sufficiently stable stable/easy/cheap to make it a viable alternative - and whether that is also cost efficient. > > Pablo wrote a recent blog post on running Pharo in Docker using the BA images - https://thepharo.dev/2021/02/24/running-pharo-9-in-docker/ - but while easy on the surface, if anything goes wrong - there seems to be very little debug output to know what has happened (Iâll post separately on this - as Iâm looking at comparing options here). > > With Docker options, I notice that dockerize.io (not used, just a quick search) - has a micro plan for $2/m - but is 500mb ram enough (there is a $5 one for 1gm ram). > > Or - I stick with DigitalOcean and roll my own like before - and perhaps that has got a bit simpler. > > Iâm still curious what the wider community is doing. > > > Tim > >> On 2 Apr 2021, at 05:43, Sanjay Minni <sm(a)planage.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Tim >> >> Here are my notes on installing Pharo in a DigitalOcean Ubuntu droplet. >> I usually go thru a Windows Command prompt box having installed xfec4 in the ubuntu droplet, but the command line connect and graphical remote may be easier for a Linux users. my ssh public key is also in the DO droplet >> Now the first step for me is a installing Pharo launcher thru command line and then everything is thru graphical interface >> >> Installing and checking Pharo-Launcher, Installing Pharo 8 64 bit from pharo.org (instructions as on Pharo.org <http://pharo.org/>) >> 1. In Windows 10 command prompt connect thru > ssh root@<Droplet-ip> >> 2. cd >> 3. curl -o pharo-launcher.zip -L https://files.pharo.org/pharo-launcher/linux64 >> 4. unzip pharo-launcher.zip >> or thru the GUI-> extract here >> (pharo-launcher files will be extracted in ./pharo-launcher) >> Now while connected to the linux graphical interface thru windows remote terminal and in the GUI >> 5. Create a icon on desktop thru right-click âCreate Launcherâ for pharo-launcher >> 6. Create pharo images thru pharo-launcher >> >> hope this is of use >> >> Sanjay Minni >> >> On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 16:31, Tim Mackinnon <tim(a)testit.works> wrote: >>> Hi everyone - its been a few year since I last hosted a little Pharo web app - and the last time I did, Sven pointed me to DigitalOcean and creating a tiny instance and configuring an Ubuntu server and then copying a pharo image on to that. It recall it wasnât too bad, albeit a bit fiddlyâ¦ >>> >>> Now several years later - I canât recall the exact steps, and vaguely recall there was something about 32bit vs 64bit setup etc - but am wondering if things have advanced a bit and whether its much simpler these days? Iâve seen references to Docker images for Pharo, and am wondering if now that is a prime time way to easily get a small demo application up and running with minimal fuss. >>> >>> Does anyone have advice - or something to point me to? >>> >>> Ideally I want to hook something up in Gitlab CI do deploy to this thing automatically (this is where I got to a few years ago - but in picking things back up I am hoping this has all got much simpler). >>> >>> Tim

April 6, 2021

Re: Help Needed: Looking for projects to use in a study of transforming deprecations

by Gabriel Cotelli

We have several projects in the Buenos Aires Smalltalk group that can match (we provide in fact a migration package when breaking backward compatibility including transformation rules so you have a human benchmark to compare). Here the ones with more history and releases: - https://github.com/ba-st/Willow - https://github.com/ba-st/Superluminal - https://github.com/ba-st/Stargate - https://github.com/ba-st/Boardwalk - https://github.com/ba-st/Hyperspace - https://github.com/ba-st/Buoy Releases with changes in the major version are the ones breaking backward compatibility. And if you want to test something with a massive amount of code try https://github.com/ba-st/HighchartsSt. It usually breaks all the tools given the size of the codebase. Gabriel On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 9:50 AM Oleksandr Zaitsev <olk.zaytsev(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > I need your help to recommend some projects that I can use in my study of > transforming deprecations. > > As many of you know, Pharo supports a very powerful concept of > "transforming" deprecations. You can deprecate a method, providing a > transformation rule. Then when a client application calls the deprecated > method, the call-site will be automatically rewritten to use the new API. > Here is an example of a transforming deprecation: > > Collection >> includesAllOf: values > self > deprecated: âUse #includesAll: insteadâ > transformWith: â`@rec includesAllOf: `@argâ -> > â`@rec includesAll: `@argâ. > > ^ self includesAll: values > > > You can read more about transforming deprecations in my blog post: > https://blog.oleks.fr/deprewriter > > I am working on a tool that can analyse the commit history of a project > and recommend deprecations and transformation rules that can be inserted > before the release. It works like this: > > 1. Collect all commits between two releases of a project > 2. Mine those commits to identify method call replacements (deletions and > additions) that happen frequently > 3. Infer the mapping between the methods of the old and new API > 4. Recommend deprecations and generate transformation rules > > I have validated my approach on Pharo, Moose, Pillar, Famix, and DataFrame > projects. > > Now I am looking for other projects that could benefit from recommended > deprecations and could be used in my study. > > *Required:* > - open source project with accessible commit history (e.g. public git > repository) > - written in Pharo (although if you know projects in other languages that > could be interesting for my study, please let me know about them as well) > > *Prefered:* > - ongoing development > - multiple releases > - has users (other projects that depend on it) > > If you have some projects in mind, please let me know about them! > > And if you are interested in this study and want to learn more, don't > hesitate to contact me by email. > > Oleksandr > > >

April 6, 2021

Re: Help Needed: Looking for projects to use in a study of transforming deprecations

by serge.stinckwich＠gmail.com

I guess CORMAS project could benefit on that. We have tons of methods we donât know if they are still used, some are deprecated or not. A real mess ð Sent from my iPhone > On 6 Apr 2021, at 20:50, Oleksandr Zaitsev <olk.zaytsev(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > ï»¿ > Hello, > > I need your help to recommend some projects that I can use in my study of transforming deprecations. > > As many of you know, Pharo supports a very powerful concept of "transforming" deprecations. You can deprecate a method, providing a transformation rule. Then when a client application calls the deprecated method, the call-site will be automatically rewritten to use the new API. Here is an example of a transforming deprecation: > > Collection >> includesAllOf: values > self > deprecated: âUse #includesAll: insteadâ > transformWith: â`@rec includesAllOf: `@argâ -> > â`@rec includesAll: `@argâ. > > ^ self includesAll: values > > You can read more about transforming deprecations in my blog post: https://blog.oleks.fr/deprewriter > > I am working on a tool that can analyse the commit history of a project and recommend deprecations and transformation rules that can be inserted before the release. It works like this: > > 1. Collect all commits between two releases of a project > 2. Mine those commits to identify method call replacements (deletions and additions) that happen frequently > 3. Infer the mapping between the methods of the old and new API > 4. Recommend deprecations and generate transformation rules > > I have validated my approach on Pharo, Moose, Pillar, Famix, and DataFrame projects. > > Now I am looking for other projects that could benefit from recommended deprecations and could be used in my study. > > Required: > - open source project with accessible commit history (e.g. public git repository) > - written in Pharo (although if you know projects in other languages that could be interesting for my study, please let me know about them as well) > > Prefered: > - ongoing development > - multiple releases > - has users (other projects that depend on it) > > If you have some projects in mind, please let me know about them! > > And if you are interested in this study and want to learn more, don't hesitate to contact me by email. > > Oleksandr > >

April 6, 2021

Help Needed: Looking for projects to use in a study of transforming deprecations

by Oleksandr Zaitsev

Hello, I need your help to recommend some projects that I can use in my study of transforming deprecations. As many of you know, Pharo supports a very powerful concept of "transforming" deprecations. You can deprecate a method, providing a transformation rule. Then when a client application calls the deprecated method, the call-site will be automatically rewritten to use the new API. Here is an example of a transforming deprecation: Collection >> includesAllOf: values self deprecated: âUse #includesAll: insteadâ transformWith: â`@rec includesAllOf: `@argâ -> â`@rec includesAll: `@argâ. ^ self includesAll: values You can read more about transforming deprecations in my blog post: https://blog.oleks.fr/deprewriter I am working on a tool that can analyse the commit history of a project and recommend deprecations and transformation rules that can be inserted before the release. It works like this: 1. Collect all commits between two releases of a project 2. Mine those commits to identify method call replacements (deletions and additions) that happen frequently 3. Infer the mapping between the methods of the old and new API 4. Recommend deprecations and generate transformation rules I have validated my approach on Pharo, Moose, Pillar, Famix, and DataFrame projects. Now I am looking for other projects that could benefit from recommended deprecations and could be used in my study. *Required:* - open source project with accessible commit history (e.g. public git repository) - written in Pharo (although if you know projects in other languages that could be interesting for my study, please let me know about them as well) *Prefered:* - ongoing development - multiple releases - has users (other projects that depend on it) If you have some projects in mind, please let me know about them! And if you are interested in this study and want to learn more, don't hesitate to contact me by email. Oleksandr

April 6, 2021

Re: Recommended way to move a package

by Sean P. DeNigris

Long Haired David wrote > File out a package on one and file it in on the other This is the lowest level approach. Except for the simplest cases, you're probably better off using Metacello. Long Haired David wrote > I can get the basic package in but the extensions never appear Are the classes to be extended loaded in the image beforehand? There was an old bug I reported [1] where extension methods were not included in a package fileout, but I don't recall it ever being fixed. If you look at the fileout file in a text editor, are the methods there? Again, I would just use Metacello... ----- Cheers, Sean -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

April 5, 2021

Recommended way to move a package

by David Pennington

I have Pharo 8.0 on my MacBookAir and Pharo 9.0 on my server. I have having lost of trouble doing what I thought would be a simple process - File out a package on one and file it in on the other but I having lo=ts of trouble - to many issues to document to be honest. So, tell me, how do I do this so that my package is in the new image along with the code extensions to other classes listed as being in the package. I can get the basic package in but the extensions never appear and I have too many to import individually. Help! David

April 3, 2021

Re: Whats the easiest/cheapest way to run a Pharo web app in 2021?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

esteban I would like to have a success story for the Pharo web site Could you come up with two paragraphs? And if you have a visual it would be perfect. Remember a success story is that you could do something not that your app become facebook. S. > On 2 Apr 2021, at 16:32, Esteban Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I've been running a Pharo application since August last year, > initially setup with everything inside a Docker swarm (database, > reverse proxy and Pharo workers for the UI and REST API). > > I wanted to give Docker a try because I thought it was going to be > "better". After having some issues with the Swarm networking affecting > PostgreSQL connections [1], I ended up having a hybrid that is not the > best of both worlds (I wouldn't say it's the worst either). > > So my summary is that unless you have several host machines, having a > "swarm" is completely overkill and brings more friction than anything > else. > The plus of docker is that from Gitlab everytime I push a commit to > master, a new docker image is created and I can update things smoothly > on the server by pulling the image and upgrading the stack service. > > "Whenever I have time" I plan to make the reverse proxy external to > docker (I currently use traefik as a container), and just keep the > database and Pharo workers as docker containers. > > As for the stability, I only shut it down for upgrades, but in > February I tried with a single VM+image serving everything (just to > measure real use) and albeit it was a little slower, it handled > everything perfectly [2] without a single hiccup. > > > Regards, > > [1] https://twitter.com/emaringolo/status/1296635983358763010 > [2] https://twitter.com/emaringolo/status/1360247046553362432 > > Esteban A. Maringolo > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 6:33 AM Tim Mackinnon <tim(a)testit.works> wrote: >> >> Thanks Sanjay - you have reminded me that I have some similar notes somewhere (now located) that did the command line foo to get things running - looking at mine there was quite a big of dance to provide a way to gracefully stop and start the image so that you can easily and automatically redeploy your changes (read: use Github actions or Gitlab CI). >> >> So Iâm curious on whether Docker is now sufficiently stable stable/easy/cheap to make it a viable alternative - and whether that is also cost efficient. >> >> Pablo wrote a recent blog post on running Pharo in Docker using the BA images - https://thepharo.dev/2021/02/24/running-pharo-9-in-docker/ - but while easy on the surface, if anything goes wrong - there seems to be very little debug output to know what has happened (Iâll post separately on this - as Iâm looking at comparing options here). >> >> With Docker options, I notice that dockerize.io (not used, just a quick search) - has a micro plan for $2/m - but is 500mb ram enough (there is a $5 one for 1gm ram). >> >> Or - I stick with DigitalOcean and roll my own like before - and perhaps that has got a bit simpler. >> >> Iâm still curious what the wider community is doing. >> >> >> Tim >> >> On 2 Apr 2021, at 05:43, Sanjay Minni <sm(a)planage.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Tim >> >> Here are my notes on installing Pharo in a DigitalOcean Ubuntu droplet. >> I usually go thru a Windows Command prompt box having installed xfec4 in the ubuntu droplet, but the command line connect and graphical remote may be easier for a Linux users. my ssh public key is also in the DO droplet >> Now the first step for me is a installing Pharo launcher thru command line and then everything is thru graphical interface >> >> Installing and checking Pharo-Launcher, Installing Pharo 8 64 bit from pharo.org (instructions as on Pharo.org) >> 1. In Windows 10 command prompt connect thru > ssh root@<Droplet-ip> >> 2. cd >> 3. curl -o pharo-launcher.zip -L https://files.pharo.org/pharo-launcher/linux64 >> 4. unzip pharo-launcher.zip >> or thru the GUI-> extract here >> (pharo-launcher files will be extracted in ./pharo-launcher) >> Now while connected to the linux graphical interface thru windows remote terminal and in the GUI >> 5. Create a icon on desktop thru right-click âCreate Launcherâ for pharo-launcher >> 6. Create pharo images thru pharo-launcher >> >> hope this is of use >> >> Sanjay Minni >> >> On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 16:31, Tim Mackinnon <tim(a)testit.works> wrote: >>> >>> Hi everyone - its been a few year since I last hosted a little Pharo web app - and the last time I did, Sven pointed me to DigitalOcean and creating a tiny instance and configuring an Ubuntu server and then copying a pharo image on to that. It recall it wasnât too bad, albeit a bit fiddlyâ¦ >>> >>> Now several years later - I canât recall the exact steps, and vaguely recall there was something about 32bit vs 64bit setup etc - but am wondering if things have advanced a bit and whether its much simpler these days? Iâve seen references to Docker images for Pharo, and am wondering if now that is a prime time way to easily get a small demo application up and running with minimal fuss. >>> >>> Does anyone have advice - or something to point me to? >>> >>> Ideally I want to hook something up in Gitlab CI do deploy to this thing automatically (this is where I got to a few years ago - but in picking things back up I am hoping this has all got much simpler). >>> >>> Tim >> >> -------------------------------------------- StÃ©phane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. 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April 3, 2021

Re: Problem installing Seaside on Windows

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

I normally build on the server where I deploy (linux of course), but you do not have to. Pharo is cross platform. So it is perfectly possible to build your deployment image on your mac, copy it over and run it on the server. I would always advise to not save the image with running servers inside, but to use a start up script to start your server explicitly. > On 2 Apr 2021, at 19:32, David Pennington <david(a)totallyobjects.com> wrote: > > Thank you to everyone for your help. I sorted out the public and private keys and shortened the path but it kept up with an authentication issue. I deleted everything and installed V 9.0. I shortened its name and ran the GitHub code and I now have Seaside installed and running. I now need to install STON and I can get my code working. > > What a great community this is! > > David > > > > On 02/04/2021 17:43, TomaÅ¾ Turk wrote: > >> According to my experiences this happens if Pharo images are located deeply in the directory path. It helps if you move the image in question to some higher level. In any case, C:\Pharo should work no matter what. >> >> Seaside has lots of dependencies which are then located under its repository. >> >> Tomaz >> >> On Fri, 2 Apr 2021, 18:31 Sanjay Minni, <sm(a)planage.com> wrote: >> Yes you hit the window filename length problem. >> >> Retry by creating one more pharo 8 image. Only don't take the default image name as you have taken. Change it to very short like p8-1 to keep image file name and consequently the folder name length to a minimum >> >> Then install seaside. >> >> If that doesn't work repost and we will try still another option >> >> Regards >> Sanjay >> >> On Fri, 2 Apr, 2021, 9:36 pm David Pennington, <david(a)totallyobjects.com> wrote: >> OK, I got my software working fine on the Mac but I really need it on Windows now so I have had another go. I have followed all the instructions and I have a public key registered with GIT for both the Mac and the Windows laptop. The Mac now quite happily installs stuff that wouldn't load before. (TinyLogger). However, the Windows laptop now get a lot further with the Seaside install but fails with this message: >> >> "LGit_GIT_EEXISTS: Failed to stat file 'C:/Users/david/Documents/Pharo/images/Pharo 8.0 - 64bit (sta...aximumAbsoluteAge.maximumRelativeAge.overflowAction..st': The filename or extension is too long. >> " >> Any thoughts? >> >> >> On 22/03/2021 18:18, David Pennington wrote: >> >> I am sorry but github is a mystery to me. I installed all of this on my mac with no troubles. Surely it can't be anymore difficult on PC? >> >> On 22 Mar 2021 18:05, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> david >> >> did you succeed to clone or checkout a github repo from this machine and without pharo at all? >> Because Pharo is just using libgit. >> >> S. >> >> On 22 Mar 2021, at 18:58, David Pennington <david(a)totallyobjects.com> wrote: >> >> Tried that. I got the following >> >> Failed to get server certificate: the handle is in the wrong state for the requested operation. >> >> I assume that someone thinks that this is helpful:-) >> >> On 22 Mar 2021 16:06, Sanjay Minni <sm(a)planage.com> wrote: >> Hi David, >> >> I have repeatedly installed Seaside on Pharo 8 / 9 64 bit - Windows 10 >> without any issues and I have done it both ssh and https >> >> I do it quickly / simply by >> >> tools->iceberg->[+ add] (on top panel right) >> on popup select: 'clone from github.com' >> fill in owner: SeasideSt (case does not matter) >> project: seaside >> local directory: (leave the default for >> now) >> protocol try https first (not >> sure if github requires a password) >> or ssh which may be >> slightly complicated >> once seaside libraries are pulled in and seaside appears in the iceberg >> panel then >> right click on seaside >> on popup scroll down to metacello->install baseline (default) >> >> hope that works >> >> >> >> >> Long Haired David wrote >> > Hi everyone. >> > >> > I have been developing a new web site using Seaside on my M1 MacBookAir >> > and I have had no issues. >> > >> > To deploy it, I have to install Pharo on either a Windows 10 or a Windows >> > Server 2012 server. Pharo has installed on both without any issues. >> > However, I am having problems installing Seaside. >> > >> > I have Pharo 8.0 installed on both (64 bit version). >> > >> > If I try and install from the Catalog, I get the following error in the >> > Transcript. >> > >> > IceGenericError: Failed to stat file >> > 'C:/Users/david/Documents/Pharo/images/Pharo 8.0 - 64bit >> > (stable)/pharo-local. >> > >> > If I try using Monticello, I get the following: >> > >> > Metacello new >> > baseline:'Seaside3'; >> > repository: 'github://SeasideSt/Seaside:master/repository'; >> > load >> > I got an error while cloning: There was an authentication error while >> > trying to execute the operation: . >> > This happens usually because you didn't provide a valid set of >> > credentials. >> > You may fix this problem in different ways: >> > >> > 1. adding your keys to ssh-agent, executing ssh-add ~/.ssh/id_rsa in your >> > command line. >> > 2. adding your keys in settings (open settings browser search for "Use >> > custom SSH keys" and >> > add your public and private keys). >> > 3. using HTTPS instead SSH (Just use an url in the form HTTPS://etc.git) >> > I will try to clone the HTTPS variant. >> > >> > Can you help please? >> > >> > David >> > Totally Objects >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> cheers, >> Sanjay >> -- >> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >> >> >> -------------------------------------------- >> StÃ©phane Ducasse >> http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org >> 03 59 35 87 52 >> Assistant: Aurore Dalle >> FAX 03 59 57 78 50 >> TEL 03 59 35 86 16 >> S. 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April 2, 2021

Re: Problem installing Seaside on Windows

by David Pennington

Thank you to everyone for your help. I sorted out the public and private keys and shortened the path but it kept up with an authentication issue. I deleted everything and installed V 9.0. I shortened its name and ran the GitHub code and I now have Seaside installed and running. I now need to install STON and I can get my code working. What a great community this is! David On 02/04/2021 17:43, TomaÅ¾ Turk wrote: > According to my experiences this happens if Pharo images are located deeply in the directory path. It helps if you move the image in question to some higher level. In any case, C:\Pharo should work no matter what. > > Seaside has lots of dependencies which are then located under its repository. > > Tomaz > > On Fri, 2 Apr 2021, 18:31 Sanjay Minni, <sm(a)planage.com> wrote: > Yes you hit the window filename length problem. > > Retry by creating one more pharo 8 image. Only don't take the default image name as you have taken. Change it to very short like p8-1 to keep image file name and consequently the folder name length to a minimum > > Then install seaside. > > If that doesn't work repost and we will try still another option > > Regards > Sanjay > > On Fri, 2 Apr, 2021, 9:36 pm David Pennington, <david(a)totallyobjects.com> wrote: > > OK, I got my software working fine on the Mac but I really need it on Windows now so I have had another go. I have followed all the instructions and I have a public key registered with GIT for both the Mac and the Windows laptop. The Mac now quite happily installs stuff that wouldn't load before. (TinyLogger). However, the Windows laptop now get a lot further with the Seaside install but fails with this message: > > "LGit_GIT_EEXISTS: Failed to stat file 'C:/Users/david/Documents/Pharo/images/Pharo 8.0 - 64bit (sta...aximumAbsoluteAge.maximumRelativeAge.overflowAction..st': The filename or extension is too long. > " > Any thoughts? > > On 22/03/2021 18:18, David Pennington wrote: > > I am sorry but github is a mystery to me. I installed all of this on my mac with no troubles. Surely it can't be anymore difficult on PC? > > On 22 Mar 2021 18:05, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > david > > did you succeed to clone or checkout a github repo from this machine and without pharo at all? > Because Pharo is just using libgit. > > S. > > On 22 Mar 2021, at 18:58, David Pennington <david(a)totallyobjects.com> wrote: > > Tried that. I got the following > > Failed to get server certificate: the handle is in the wrong state for the requested operation. > > I assume that someone thinks that this is helpful:-) > > On 22 Mar 2021 16:06, Sanjay Minni <sm(a)planage.com> wrote: > > Hi David, > > I have repeatedly installed Seaside on Pharo 8 / 9 64 bit - Windows 10 > without any issues and I have done it both ssh and https > > I do it quickly / simply by > > tools->iceberg->[+ add] (on top panel right) > on popup select: 'clone from github.com [1]' > fill in owner: SeasideSt (case does not matter) > project: seaside > local directory: (leave the default for > now) > protocol try https first (not > sure if github requires a password) > or ssh which may be > slightly complicated > once seaside libraries are pulled in and seaside appears in the iceberg > panel then > right click on seaside > on popup scroll down to metacello->install baseline (default) > > hope that works > > Long Haired David wrote >> Hi everyone. >> >> I have been developing a new web site using Seaside on my M1 MacBookAir >> and I have had no issues. >> >> To deploy it, I have to install Pharo on either a Windows 10 or a Windows >> Server 2012 server. Pharo has installed on both without any issues. >> However, I am having problems installing Seaside. >> >> I have Pharo 8.0 installed on both (64 bit version). >> >> If I try and install from the Catalog, I get the following error in the >> Transcript. >> >> IceGenericError: Failed to stat file >> 'C:/Users/david/Documents/Pharo/images/Pharo 8.0 - 64bit >> (stable)/pharo-local. >> >> If I try using Monticello, I get the following: >> >> Metacello new >> baseline:'Seaside3'; >> repository: 'github://SeasideSt/Seaside:master/repository'; >> load >> I got an error while cloning: There was an authentication error while >> trying to execute the operation: . >> This happens usually because you didn't provide a valid set of >> credentials. >> You may fix this problem in different ways: >> >> 1. adding your keys to ssh-agent, executing ssh-add ~/.ssh/id_rsa in your >> command line. >> 2. adding your keys in settings (open settings browser search for "Use >> custom SSH keys" and >> add your public and private keys). >> 3. using HTTPS instead SSH (Just use an url in the form HTTPS://etc.git) >> I will try to clone the HTTPS variant. >> >> Can you help please? >> >> David >> Totally Objects > > ----- > cheers, > Sanjay > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html -------------------------------------------- StÃ©phane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France Links: ------ [1] http://github.com

April 2, 2021

Re: Problem installing Seaside on Windows

by TomaÅ¾ Turk

According to my experiences this happens if Pharo images are located deeply in the directory path. It helps if you move the image in question to some higher level. In any case, C:\Pharo should work no matter what. Seaside has lots of dependencies which are then located under its repository. Tomaz On Fri, 2 Apr 2021, 18:31 Sanjay Minni, <sm(a)planage.com> wrote: > Yes you hit the window filename length problem. > > Retry by creating one more pharo 8 image. Only don't take the default > image name as you have taken. Change it to very short like p8-1 to keep > image file name and consequently the folder name length to a minimum > > Then install seaside. > > If that doesn't work repost and we will try still another option > > Regards > Sanjay > > On Fri, 2 Apr, 2021, 9:36 pm David Pennington, <david(a)totallyobjects.com> > wrote: > >> OK, I got my software working fine on the Mac but I really need it on Windows now so I have had another go. I have followed all the instructions and I have a public key registered with GIT for both the Mac and the Windows laptop. The Mac now quite happily installs stuff that wouldn't load before. (TinyLogger). However, the Windows laptop now get a lot further with the Seaside install but fails with this message: >> >> >> "LGit_GIT_EEXISTS: Failed to stat file >> 'C:/Users/david/Documents/Pharo/images/Pharo 8.0 - 64bit >> (sta...aximumAbsoluteAge.maximumRelativeAge.overflowAction..st': The >> filename or extension is too long. >> " >> Any thoughts? >> >> >> On 22/03/2021 18:18, David Pennington wrote: >> >> I am sorry but github is a mystery to me. I installed all of this on my >> mac with no troubles. Surely it can't be anymore difficult on PC? >> >> On 22 Mar 2021 18:05, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> david >> >> did you succeed to clone or checkout a github repo from this machine and >> without pharo at all? >> Because Pharo is just using libgit. >> >> S. >> >> On 22 Mar 2021, at 18:58, David Pennington <david(a)totallyobjects.com> >> wrote: >> >> Tried that. I got the following >> >> Failed to get server certificate: the handle is in the wrong state for >> the requested operation. >> >> I assume that someone thinks that this is helpful:-) >> >> On 22 Mar 2021 16:06, Sanjay Minni <sm(a)planage.com> wrote: >> >> Hi David, >> >> I have repeatedly installed Seaside on Pharo 8 / 9 64 bit - Windows 10 >> without any issues and I have done it both ssh and https >> >> I do it quickly / simply by >> >> tools->iceberg->[+ add] (on top panel right) >> on popup select: 'clone from github.com' >> fill in owner: SeasideSt (case does not >> matter) >> project: seaside >> local directory: (leave the default for >> now) >> protocol try https first (not >> sure if github requires a password) >> or ssh which may >> be >> slightly complicated >> once seaside libraries are pulled in and seaside appears in the iceberg >> panel then >> right click on seaside >> on popup scroll down to metacello->install baseline (default) >> >> hope that works >> >> >> >> >> Long Haired David wrote >> > Hi everyone. >> > >> > I have been developing a new web site using Seaside on my M1 MacBookAir >> > and I have had no issues. >> > >> > To deploy it, I have to install Pharo on either a Windows 10 or a >> Windows >> > Server 2012 server. Pharo has installed on both without any issues. >> > However, I am having problems installing Seaside. >> > >> > I have Pharo 8.0 installed on both (64 bit version). >> > >> > If I try and install from the Catalog, I get the following error in the >> > Transcript. >> > >> > IceGenericError: Failed to stat file >> > 'C:/Users/david/Documents/Pharo/images/Pharo 8.0 - 64bit >> > (stable)/pharo-local. >> > >> > If I try using Monticello, I get the following: >> > >> > Metacello new >> > baseline:'Seaside3'; >> > repository: 'github://SeasideSt/Seaside:master/repository'; >> > load >> > I got an error while cloning: There was an authentication error while >> > trying to execute the operation: . >> > This happens usually because you didn't provide a valid set of >> > credentials. >> > You may fix this problem in different ways: >> > >> > 1. adding your keys to ssh-agent, executing ssh-add ~/.ssh/id_rsa in >> your >> > command line. >> > 2. adding your keys in settings (open settings browser search for "Use >> > custom SSH keys" and >> > add your public and private keys). >> > 3. using HTTPS instead SSH (Just use an url in the form HTTPS://etc.git) >> >> > I will try to clone the HTTPS variant. >> > >> > Can you help please? >> > >> > David >> > Totally Objects >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> cheers, >> Sanjay >> -- >> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >> >> >> -------------------------------------------- >> StÃ©phane Ducasse >> http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org >> 03 59 35 87 52 >> Assistant: Aurore Dalle >> FAX 03 59 57 78 50 >> TEL 03 59 35 86 16 >> S. Ducasse - Inria >> 40, avenue Halley, >> Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza >> Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 >> France >> >>

April 2, 2021

Re: Problem installing Seaside on Windows

by Sanjay Minni

Yes you hit the window filename length problem. Retry by creating one more pharo 8 image. Only don't take the default image name as you have taken. Change it to very short like p8-1 to keep image file name and consequently the folder name length to a minimum Then install seaside. If that doesn't work repost and we will try still another option Regards Sanjay On Fri, 2 Apr, 2021, 9:36 pm David Pennington, <david(a)totallyobjects.com> wrote: > OK, I got my software working fine on the Mac but I really need it on Windows now so I have had another go. I have followed all the instructions and I have a public key registered with GIT for both the Mac and the Windows laptop. The Mac now quite happily installs stuff that wouldn't load before. (TinyLogger). However, the Windows laptop now get a lot further with the Seaside install but fails with this message: > > > "LGit_GIT_EEXISTS: Failed to stat file > 'C:/Users/david/Documents/Pharo/images/Pharo 8.0 - 64bit > (sta...aximumAbsoluteAge.maximumRelativeAge.overflowAction..st': The > filename or extension is too long. > " > Any thoughts? > > > On 22/03/2021 18:18, David Pennington wrote: > > I am sorry but github is a mystery to me. I installed all of this on my > mac with no troubles. Surely it can't be anymore difficult on PC? > > On 22 Mar 2021 18:05, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > david > > did you succeed to clone or checkout a github repo from this machine and > without pharo at all? > Because Pharo is just using libgit. > > S. > > On 22 Mar 2021, at 18:58, David Pennington <david(a)totallyobjects.com> > wrote: > > Tried that. I got the following > > Failed to get server certificate: the handle is in the wrong state for the > requested operation. > > I assume that someone thinks that this is helpful:-) > > On 22 Mar 2021 16:06, Sanjay Minni <sm(a)planage.com> wrote: > > Hi David, > > I have repeatedly installed Seaside on Pharo 8 / 9 64 bit - Windows 10 > without any issues and I have done it both ssh and https > > I do it quickly / simply by > > tools->iceberg->[+ add] (on top panel right) > on popup select: 'clone from github.com' > fill in owner: SeasideSt (case does not matter) > project: seaside > local directory: (leave the default for > now) > protocol try https first (not > sure if github requires a password) > or ssh which may > be > slightly complicated > once seaside libraries are pulled in and seaside appears in the iceberg > panel then > right click on seaside > on popup scroll down to metacello->install baseline (default) > > hope that works > > > > > Long Haired David wrote > > Hi everyone. > > > > I have been developing a new web site using Seaside on my M1 MacBookAir > > and I have had no issues. > > > > To deploy it, I have to install Pharo on either a Windows 10 or a > Windows > > Server 2012 server. Pharo has installed on both without any issues. > > However, I am having problems installing Seaside. > > > > I have Pharo 8.0 installed on both (64 bit version). > > > > If I try and install from the Catalog, I get the following error in the > > Transcript. > > > > IceGenericError: Failed to stat file > > 'C:/Users/david/Documents/Pharo/images/Pharo 8.0 - 64bit > > (stable)/pharo-local. > > > > If I try using Monticello, I get the following: > > > > Metacello new > > baseline:'Seaside3'; > > repository: 'github://SeasideSt/Seaside:master/repository'; > > load > > I got an error while cloning: There was an authentication error while > > trying to execute the operation: . > > This happens usually because you didn't provide a valid set of > > credentials. > > You may fix this problem in different ways: > > > > 1. adding your keys to ssh-agent, executing ssh-add ~/.ssh/id_rsa in > your > > command line. > > 2. adding your keys in settings (open settings browser search for "Use > > custom SSH keys" and > > add your public and private keys). > > 3. using HTTPS instead SSH (Just use an url in the form HTTPS://etc.git) > > > I will try to clone the HTTPS variant. > > > > Can you help please? > > > > David > > Totally Objects > > > > > > ----- > cheers, > Sanjay > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html > > > -------------------------------------------- > StÃ©phane Ducasse > http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org > 03 59 35 87 52 > Assistant: Aurore Dalle > FAX 03 59 57 78 50 > TEL 03 59 35 86 16 > S. Ducasse - Inria > 40, avenue Halley, > Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza > Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 > France > >

April 2, 2021

Re: Problem installing Seaside on Windows

by David Pennington

OK, I got my software working fine on the Mac but I really need it on Windows now so I have had another go. I have followed all the instructions and I have a public key registered with GIT for both the Mac and the Windows laptop. The Mac now quite happily installs stuff that wouldn't load before. (TinyLogger). However, the Windows laptop now get a lot further with the Seaside install but fails with this message: "LGit_GIT_EEXISTS: Failed to stat file 'C:/Users/david/Documents/Pharo/images/Pharo 8.0 - 64bit (sta...aximumAbsoluteAge.maximumRelativeAge.overflowAction..st': The filename or extension is too long. " Any thoughts? On 22/03/2021 18:18, David Pennington wrote: > I am sorry but github is a mystery to me. I installed all of this on my mac with no troubles. Surely it can't be anymore difficult on PC? > > On 22 Mar 2021 18:05, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > david > > did you succeed to clone or checkout a github repo from this machine and without pharo at all? > Because Pharo is just using libgit. > > S. > > On 22 Mar 2021, at 18:58, David Pennington <david(a)totallyobjects.com> wrote: > > Tried that. I got the following > > Failed to get server certificate: the handle is in the wrong state for the requested operation. > > I assume that someone thinks that this is helpful:-) > > On 22 Mar 2021 16:06, Sanjay Minni <sm(a)planage.com> wrote: > > Hi David, > > I have repeatedly installed Seaside on Pharo 8 / 9 64 bit - Windows 10 > without any issues and I have done it both ssh and https > > I do it quickly / simply by > > tools->iceberg->[+ add] (on top panel right) > on popup select: 'clone from github.com [1]' > fill in owner: SeasideSt (case does not matter) > project: seaside > local directory: (leave the default for > now) > protocol try https first (not > sure if github requires a password) > or ssh which may be > slightly complicated > once seaside libraries are pulled in and seaside appears in the iceberg > panel then > right click on seaside > on popup scroll down to metacello->install baseline (default) > > hope that works > > Long Haired David wrote >> Hi everyone. >> >> I have been developing a new web site using Seaside on my M1 MacBookAir >> and I have had no issues. >> >> To deploy it, I have to install Pharo on either a Windows 10 or a Windows >> Server 2012 server. Pharo has installed on both without any issues. >> However, I am having problems installing Seaside. >> >> I have Pharo 8.0 installed on both (64 bit version). >> >> If I try and install from the Catalog, I get the following error in the >> Transcript. >> >> IceGenericError: Failed to stat file >> 'C:/Users/david/Documents/Pharo/images/Pharo 8.0 - 64bit >> (stable)/pharo-local. >> >> If I try using Monticello, I get the following: >> >> Metacello new >> baseline:'Seaside3'; >> repository: 'github://SeasideSt/Seaside:master/repository'; >> load >> I got an error while cloning: There was an authentication error while >> trying to execute the operation: . >> This happens usually because you didn't provide a valid set of >> credentials. >> You may fix this problem in different ways: >> >> 1. adding your keys to ssh-agent, executing ssh-add ~/.ssh/id_rsa in your >> command line. >> 2. adding your keys in settings (open settings browser search for "Use >> custom SSH keys" and >> add your public and private keys). >> 3. using HTTPS instead SSH (Just use an url in the form HTTPS://etc.git) >> I will try to clone the HTTPS variant. >> >> Can you help please? >> >> David >> Totally Objects > > ----- > cheers, > Sanjay > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html -------------------------------------------- StÃ©phane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France Links: ------ [1] http://github.com

April 2, 2021

Re: Whats the easiest/cheapest way to run a Pharo web app in 2021?

by Esteban Maringolo

I've been running a Pharo application since August last year, initially setup with everything inside a Docker swarm (database, reverse proxy and Pharo workers for the UI and REST API). I wanted to give Docker a try because I thought it was going to be "better". After having some issues with the Swarm networking affecting PostgreSQL connections [1], I ended up having a hybrid that is not the best of both worlds (I wouldn't say it's the worst either). So my summary is that unless you have several host machines, having a "swarm" is completely overkill and brings more friction than anything else. The plus of docker is that from Gitlab everytime I push a commit to master, a new docker image is created and I can update things smoothly on the server by pulling the image and upgrading the stack service. "Whenever I have time" I plan to make the reverse proxy external to docker (I currently use traefik as a container), and just keep the database and Pharo workers as docker containers. As for the stability, I only shut it down for upgrades, but in February I tried with a single VM+image serving everything (just to measure real use) and albeit it was a little slower, it handled everything perfectly [2] without a single hiccup. Regards, [1] https://twitter.com/emaringolo/status/1296635983358763010 [2] https://twitter.com/emaringolo/status/1360247046553362432 Esteban A. Maringolo On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 6:33 AM Tim Mackinnon <tim(a)testit.works> wrote: > > Thanks Sanjay - you have reminded me that I have some similar notes somewhere (now located) that did the command line foo to get things running - looking at mine there was quite a big of dance to provide a way to gracefully stop and start the image so that you can easily and automatically redeploy your changes (read: use Github actions or Gitlab CI). > > So Iâm curious on whether Docker is now sufficiently stable stable/easy/cheap to make it a viable alternative - and whether that is also cost efficient. > > Pablo wrote a recent blog post on running Pharo in Docker using the BA images - https://thepharo.dev/2021/02/24/running-pharo-9-in-docker/ - but while easy on the surface, if anything goes wrong - there seems to be very little debug output to know what has happened (Iâll post separately on this - as Iâm looking at comparing options here). > > With Docker options, I notice that dockerize.io (not used, just a quick search) - has a micro plan for $2/m - but is 500mb ram enough (there is a $5 one for 1gm ram). > > Or - I stick with DigitalOcean and roll my own like before - and perhaps that has got a bit simpler. > > Iâm still curious what the wider community is doing. > > > Tim > > On 2 Apr 2021, at 05:43, Sanjay Minni <sm(a)planage.com> wrote: > > Hi Tim > > Here are my notes on installing Pharo in a DigitalOcean Ubuntu droplet. > I usually go thru a Windows Command prompt box having installed xfec4 in the ubuntu droplet, but the command line connect and graphical remote may be easier for a Linux users. my ssh public key is also in the DO droplet > Now the first step for me is a installing Pharo launcher thru command line and then everything is thru graphical interface > > Installing and checking Pharo-Launcher, Installing Pharo 8 64 bit from pharo.org (instructions as on Pharo.org) > 1. In Windows 10 command prompt connect thru > ssh root@<Droplet-ip> > 2. cd > 3. curl -o pharo-launcher.zip -L https://files.pharo.org/pharo-launcher/linux64 > 4. unzip pharo-launcher.zip > or thru the GUI-> extract here > (pharo-launcher files will be extracted in ./pharo-launcher) > Now while connected to the linux graphical interface thru windows remote terminal and in the GUI > 5. Create a icon on desktop thru right-click âCreate Launcherâ for pharo-launcher > 6. Create pharo images thru pharo-launcher > > hope this is of use > > Sanjay Minni > > On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 16:31, Tim Mackinnon <tim(a)testit.works> wrote: >> >> Hi everyone - its been a few year since I last hosted a little Pharo web app - and the last time I did, Sven pointed me to DigitalOcean and creating a tiny instance and configuring an Ubuntu server and then copying a pharo image on to that. It recall it wasnât too bad, albeit a bit fiddlyâ¦ >> >> Now several years later - I canât recall the exact steps, and vaguely recall there was something about 32bit vs 64bit setup etc - but am wondering if things have advanced a bit and whether its much simpler these days? Iâve seen references to Docker images for Pharo, and am wondering if now that is a prime time way to easily get a small demo application up and running with minimal fuss. >> >> Does anyone have advice - or something to point me to? >> >> Ideally I want to hook something up in Gitlab CI do deploy to this thing automatically (this is where I got to a few years ago - but in picking things back up I am hoping this has all got much simpler). >> >> Tim > >

April 2, 2021

Re: Understanding how to best structure branches to contribute to a 3rd party project

by Tim Mackinnon

Thanks for chipping in James - its reassuring that Iâm not overcomplicating things - however now I need to practice doing this for real - Iâve been doing individual branches for contributions reasonably fine (Iceberg does seem to trip me up from time to time - but canât quite put my finger on it) - but the next step is to practice that âcombinationâ branch and also how to keep it up to dateâ¦ thatâs the real art in all of thisâ¦ and will Iceberg help or hinder me in this activity (not to blame Iceberg - its quite a tricky concept in fairness - its just interpreting what its showing that is often the trick). Tim > On 2 Apr 2021, at 00:52, James Foster <Smalltalk(a)JGFoster.net> wrote: > > Tim, > > This is a common open-source situation and what you described seems to me to be the best practice: (1) changes should be proposed as small, self-contained branches; (2) you should keep your main/master branch up-to-date with the upstream repository so that you can create new branches for new pull/merge requests; and (3) you should create your own branch with the combination of things you want to include. I donât know of a way around this. > > James > >> On Apr 1, 2021, at 3:15 AM, Tim Mackinnon <tim(a)testit.works> wrote: >> >> Hi Everyone - I tried asking this on Discord, but I think it got a bit lost - and perhaps for more philosophical questions, here is better. >> >> So - Iâm wondering what is the recommended way to work with another project you want to contribute to (in my case CodeParasides). So I know I can fork it and put the fork in my baseline. But Iâm assuming contributions are best done discretely on a branch per proposal (this seems to be the Pharo way - and it makes sense for ease of understanding), but if you have a few of these contributions in play (while the maintainer is evaluating them) would you then have your own âcombinationâ branch to consolidate all those fixes until they get merged in? >> >> Iâve started to try this, but merging between branches gets a bit tricky - a few times now it seems that Iceberg shows me misleading info on what is being added/removed (it always looks like my changes are going to be removed, when if fact they get added - so its a bit of a leap of faith on this). >> >> So Iâm wondering if Iâm overcomplicating things - or whether this is the suggested way to work with another project? >> >> Tim

April 2, 2021

Re: Whats the easiest/cheapest way to run a Pharo web app in 2021?

by Tim Mackinnon

Thanks Sanjay - you have reminded me that I have some similar notes somewhere (now located) that did the command line foo to get things running - looking at mine there was quite a big of dance to provide a way to gracefully stop and start the image so that you can easily and automatically redeploy your changes (read: use Github actions or Gitlab CI). So Iâm curious on whether Docker is now sufficiently stable stable/easy/cheap to make it a viable alternative - and whether that is also cost efficient. Pablo wrote a recent blog post on running Pharo in Docker using the BA images - https://thepharo.dev/2021/02/24/running-pharo-9-in-docker/ <https://thepharo.dev/2021/02/24/running-pharo-9-in-docker/> - but while easy on the surface, if anything goes wrong - there seems to be very little debug output to know what has happened (Iâll post separately on this - as Iâm looking at comparing options here). With Docker options, I notice that dockerize.io <http://dockerize.io/> (not used, just a quick search) - has a micro plan for $2/m - but is 500mb ram enough (there is a $5 one for 1gm ram). Or - I stick with DigitalOcean and roll my own like before - and perhaps that has got a bit simpler. Iâm still curious what the wider community is doing. Tim > On 2 Apr 2021, at 05:43, Sanjay Minni <sm(a)planage.com> wrote: > > Hi Tim > > Here are my notes on installing Pharo in a DigitalOcean Ubuntu droplet. > I usually go thru a Windows Command prompt box having installed xfec4 in the ubuntu droplet, but the command line connect and graphical remote may be easier for a Linux users. my ssh public key is also in the DO droplet > Now the first step for me is a installing Pharo launcher thru command line and then everything is thru graphical interface > > Installing and checking Pharo-Launcher, Installing Pharo 8 64 bit from pharo.org <http://pharo.org/> (instructions as on Pharo.org) > 1. In Windows 10 command prompt connect thru > ssh root@<Droplet-ip> > 2. cd > 3. curl -o pharo-launcher.zip -L https://files.pharo.org/pharo-launcher/linux64 <https://files.pharo.org/pharo-launcher/linux64> > 4. unzip pharo-launcher.zip > or thru the GUI-> extract here > (pharo-launcher files will be extracted in ./pharo-launcher) > Now while connected to the linux graphical interface thru windows remote terminal and in the GUI > 5. Create a icon on desktop thru right-click âCreate Launcherâ for pharo-launcher > 6. Create pharo images thru pharo-launcher > > hope this is of use > > Sanjay Minni > > On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 16:31, Tim Mackinnon <tim(a)testit.works> wrote: > Hi everyone - its been a few year since I last hosted a little Pharo web app - and the last time I did, Sven pointed me to DigitalOcean and creating a tiny instance and configuring an Ubuntu server and then copying a pharo image on to that. It recall it wasnât too bad, albeit a bit fiddlyâ¦ > > Now several years later - I canât recall the exact steps, and vaguely recall there was something about 32bit vs 64bit setup etc - but am wondering if things have advanced a bit and whether its much simpler these days? Iâve seen references to Docker images for Pharo, and am wondering if now that is a prime time way to easily get a small demo application up and running with minimal fuss. > > Does anyone have advice - or something to point me to? > > Ideally I want to hook something up in Gitlab CI do deploy to this thing automatically (this is where I got to a few years ago - but in picking things back up I am hoping this has all got much simpler). > > Tim

April 2, 2021

Re: [ANN] Mole v3.2.0 [v3.2.0] released!

by ducasse

Yes I would like to see if we can migrate some moose algo to Mole. S > On 2 Apr 2021, at 07:03, Alexandre Bergel via Pharo-users <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: > >> If I understand your question properly, without creating the graph that model the relationship between the objects involved the answer is no. I have to review the traversal algorithms to see if it is feasible to avoid creating the graph. > > Being able to consider any Pharo objects as the root of a graph and running some traversal algorithm would be fantastic. Cycles should be supported as well :-D > > Cheers, > Alexandre > >> >> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021, 07:08 Alexandre Bergel via Pharo-users <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: >> Hello, >> >> That is awesome! >> I looked at the documentation, but I am left with one question: >> - is there a way to run a graph traversal algorithm on any arbitrary object? (e.g., Color red) >> >> Cheers, >> Alexandre >> >>> On 31 Mar 2021, at 22:01, Buenos Aires Smalltalk <github(a)fast.org.ar> wrote: >>> >>> Mole, a model for graphs, both directed and undirected. reached it's v3.2.0 version. >>> >>> Changelog >>> >>> â¢ Updated dependencies >>> â¢ Add Pharo 9 as a supported platform >>> â¢ Use GitHub actions for the build >>> Regards, >>> >>> The Buenos Aires Smalltalk team >>>

April 2, 2021

Re: [ANN] Mole v3.2.0 [v3.2.0] released!

by Alexandre Bergel

> If I understand your question properly, without creating the graph that model the relationship between the objects involved the answer is no. I have to review the traversal algorithms to see if it is feasible to avoid creating the graph. Being able to consider any Pharo objects as the root of a graph and running some traversal algorithm would be fantastic. Cycles should be supported as well :-D Cheers, Alexandre > > On Thu, Apr 1, 2021, 07:08 Alexandre Bergel via Pharo-users <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: > Hello, > > That is awesome! > I looked at the documentation, but I am left with one question: > - is there a way to run a graph traversal algorithm on any arbitrary object? (e.g., Color red) > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > > On 31 Mar 2021, at 22:01, Buenos Aires Smalltalk <github(a)fast.org.ar> wrote: > > > > Mole, a model for graphs, both directed and undirected. reached it's v3.2.0 version. > > > > Changelog > > > > â¢ Updated dependencies > > â¢ Add Pharo 9 as a supported platform > > â¢ Use GitHub actions for the build > > Regards, > > > > The Buenos Aires Smalltalk team > >

April 2, 2021

Re: Whats the easiest/cheapest way to run a Pharo web app in 2021?

by Sanjay Minni

Hi Tim Here are my notes on installing Pharo in a DigitalOcean Ubuntu droplet. I usually go thru a Windows Command prompt box having installed xfec4 in the ubuntu droplet, but the command line connect and graphical remote may be easier for a Linux users. my ssh public key is also in the DO droplet Now the first step for me is a installing Pharo launcher thru command line and then everything is thru graphical interface Installing and checking Pharo-Launcher, Installing Pharo 8 64 bit from pharo.org (instructions as on Pharo.org) 1. In Windows 10 command prompt connect thru > ssh root@<Droplet-ip> 2. cd 3. curl -o pharo-launcher.zip -L https://files.pharo.org/pharo-launcher/linux64 4. unzip pharo-launcher.zip or thru the GUI-> extract here (pharo-launcher files will be extracted in ./pharo-launcher) Now while connected to the linux graphical interface thru windows remote terminal and in the GUI 5. Create a icon on desktop thru right-click âCreate Launcherâ for pharo-launcher 6. Create pharo images thru pharo-launcher hope this is of use Sanjay Minni On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 16:31, Tim Mackinnon <tim(a)testit.works> wrote: > Hi everyone - its been a few year since I last hosted a little Pharo web > app - and the last time I did, Sven pointed me to DigitalOcean and creating > a tiny instance and configuring an Ubuntu server and then copying a pharo > image on to that. It recall it wasnât too bad, albeit a bit fiddlyâ¦ > > Now several years later - I canât recall the exact steps, and vaguely > recall there was something about 32bit vs 64bit setup etc - but am > wondering if things have advanced a bit and whether its much simpler these > days? Iâve seen references to Docker images for Pharo, and am wondering if > now that is a prime time way to easily get a small demo application up and > running with minimal fuss. > > Does anyone have advice - or something to point me to? > > Ideally I want to hook something up in Gitlab CI do deploy to this thing > automatically (this is where I got to a few years ago - but in picking > things back up I am hoping this has all got much simpler). > > Tim

April 2, 2021

Re: Understanding how to best structure branches to contribute to a 3rd party project

by James Foster

Tim, This is a common open-source situation and what you described seems to me to be the best practice: (1) changes should be proposed as small, self-contained branches; (2) you should keep your main/master branch up-to-date with the upstream repository so that you can create new branches for new pull/merge requests; and (3) you should create your own branch with the combination of things you want to include. I donât know of a way around this. James > On Apr 1, 2021, at 3:15 AM, Tim Mackinnon <tim(a)testit.works> wrote: > > Hi Everyone - I tried asking this on Discord, but I think it got a bit lost - and perhaps for more philosophical questions, here is better. > > So - Iâm wondering what is the recommended way to work with another project you want to contribute to (in my case CodeParasides). So I know I can fork it and put the fork in my baseline. But Iâm assuming contributions are best done discretely on a branch per proposal (this seems to be the Pharo way - and it makes sense for ease of understanding), but if you have a few of these contributions in play (while the maintainer is evaluating them) would you then have your own âcombinationâ branch to consolidate all those fixes until they get merged in? > > Iâve started to try this, but merging between branches gets a bit tricky - a few times now it seems that Iceberg shows me misleading info on what is being added/removed (it always looks like my changes are going to be removed, when if fact they get added - so its a bit of a leap of faith on this). > > So Iâm wondering if Iâm overcomplicating things - or whether this is the suggested way to work with another project? > > Tim

April 1, 2021

Re: Understanding how to best structure branches to contribute to a 3rd party project

by Tim Mackinnon

Hi Gabriel - appreciate your input. I too think that branches for separate features /contributions makes sense. However when you say âmerge all branches on your forkâ - is that merge them on main (master) ? But I think that would make it difficult to create your next branch for a clean feature (or am I misunderstanding?) OR perhaps you are confirming my thought that you need a combination branch in your fork that you keep merging too? Interesting that you merge on GitHub - I have submitted PRs that way (the iceberg option never seems to work for me against non Pharo remotes), but not tried merging non trivial st code in GitHub - maybe I should. Tim > On 1 Apr 2021, at 21:39, Gabriel Cotelli <g.cotelli(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > ï»¿ > Hi Tim. I prefer to have individual branches for each feature or bug because it eases the review process for the original project. You can merge all this branches in your fork if you need it together before they are merged upstream. > Unless one feature depend on other one. > > I usually do the merge using PRs on GitHub via the web interface or using the git command line client and didn't find too much problems so far. > >> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021, 07:15 Tim Mackinnon <tim(a)testit.works> wrote: >> Hi Everyone - I tried asking this on Discord, but I think it got a bit lost - and perhaps for more philosophical questions, here is better. >> >> So - Iâm wondering what is the recommended way to work with another project you want to contribute to (in my case CodeParasides). So I know I can fork it and put the fork in my baseline. But Iâm assuming contributions are best done discretely on a branch per proposal (this seems to be the Pharo way - and it makes sense for ease of understanding), but if you have a few of these contributions in play (while the maintainer is evaluating them) would you then have your own âcombinationâ branch to consolidate all those fixes until they get merged in? >> >> Iâve started to try this, but merging between branches gets a bit tricky - a few times now it seems that Iceberg shows me misleading info on what is being added/removed (it always looks like my changes are going to be removed, when if fact they get added - so its a bit of a leap of faith on this). >> >> So Iâm wondering if Iâm overcomplicating things - or whether this is the suggested way to work with another project? >> >> Tim

April 1, 2021

Re: Understanding how to best structure branches to contribute to a 3rd party project

by Gabriel Cotelli

Hi Tim. I prefer to have individual branches for each feature or bug because it eases the review process for the original project. You can merge all this branches in your fork if you need it together before they are merged upstream. Unless one feature depend on other one. I usually do the merge using PRs on GitHub via the web interface or using the git command line client and didn't find too much problems so far. On Thu, Apr 1, 2021, 07:15 Tim Mackinnon <tim(a)testit.works> wrote: > Hi Everyone - I tried asking this on Discord, but I think it got a bit > lost - and perhaps for more philosophical questions, here is better. > > So - Iâm wondering what is the recommended way to work with another > project you want to contribute to (in my case CodeParasides). So I know I > can fork it and put the fork in my baseline. But Iâm assuming > contributions are best done discretely on a branch per proposal (this seems > to be the Pharo way - and it makes sense for ease of understanding), but if > you have a few of these contributions in play (while the maintainer is > evaluating them) would you then have your own âcombinationâ branch to > consolidate all those fixes until they get merged in? > > Iâve started to try this, but merging between branches gets a bit tricky > - a few times now it seems that Iceberg shows me misleading info on what is > being added/removed (it always looks like my changes are going to be > removed, when if fact they get added - so its a bit of a leap of faith on > this). > > So Iâm wondering if Iâm overcomplicating things - or whether this is the > suggested way to work with another project? > > Tim

April 1, 2021

Re: [ANN] Mole v3.2.0 [v3.2.0] released!

by Gabriel Cotelli

If I understand your question properly, without creating the graph that model the relationship between the objects involved the answer is no. I have to review the traversal algorithms to see if it is feasible to avoid creating the graph. On Thu, Apr 1, 2021, 07:08 Alexandre Bergel via Pharo-users < pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: > Hello, > > That is awesome! > I looked at the documentation, but I am left with one question: > - is there a way to run a graph traversal algorithm on any > arbitrary object? (e.g., Color red) > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > > On 31 Mar 2021, at 22:01, Buenos Aires Smalltalk <github(a)fast.org.ar> > wrote: > > > > Mole, a model for graphs, both directed and undirected. reached it's > v3.2.0 version. > > > > Changelog > > > > â¢ Updated dependencies > > â¢ Add Pharo 9 as a supported platform > > â¢ Use GitHub actions for the build > > Regards, > > > > The Buenos Aires Smalltalk team > > >

April 1, 2021

Startup warning

by David Pennington

I am getting the following in the Transcript. Where do I go to change this please? WARNING: Had to increase size of semaphore signal handling table due to many external objects concurrently in use You should increase this size at startup using #maxExternalSemaphoresSilently: Current table size: 512 David

April 1, 2021

Google Summer of Code: Call for Students

by Oleksandr Zaitsev

Hello, The application for Google Summer of Code with Pharo is open and we are looking for students who would like to apply. On our website, you can find the description of the program structure and detailed instructions on how to apply: https://gsoc.pharo.org/call-for-students. If you are a student, don't hesitate to send us your application! If you are a professor, please share this information with your students and encourage them to apply! GSoC is a wonderful opportunity to improve their programming skills and get immersed into the world of open-source. With best regards, Oleks, Gordana, Serge, and Juan Pablo GSoC Organizers from Pharo Consortium

April 1, 2021

Whats the easiest/cheapest way to run a Pharo web app in 2021?

by Tim Mackinnon

Hi everyone - its been a few year since I last hosted a little Pharo web app - and the last time I did, Sven pointed me to DigitalOcean and creating a tiny instance and configuring an Ubuntu server and then copying a pharo image on to that. It recall it wasnât too bad, albeit a bit fiddlyâ¦ Now several years later - I canât recall the exact steps, and vaguely recall there was something about 32bit vs 64bit setup etc - but am wondering if things have advanced a bit and whether its much simpler these days? Iâve seen references to Docker images for Pharo, and am wondering if now that is a prime time way to easily get a small demo application up and running with minimal fuss. Does anyone have advice - or something to point me to? Ideally I want to hook something up in Gitlab CI do deploy to this thing automatically (this is where I got to a few years ago - but in picking things back up I am hoping this has all got much simpler). Tim

April 1, 2021

Re: Roassal3 Popups

by Alexandre Bergel

Dear Evan, Welcome back! Yes, we moved to Roassal3, and as you may have experienced, not all the features of Roassal2 have been migrated to Roassal3. Currently, popup in charts are still work in progress. However, you can have something that should do what you expect using: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= chart := RSChart new. classes := Collection withAllSubclasses. dataX := classes collect: #numberOfMethods. dataY := classes collect: #numberOfLinesOfCode. plot := RSScatterPlot new x: dataX y: dataY. plot processBlock: [ :shapes | shapes doWithIndex: [ :shape :index | shape model: (classes at: index). shape @ (RSPopup text: 'My data: ', (classes at: index) asString) ] ]. chart addPlot: plot. chart xlabel: 'number of methods'. chart ylabel: 'number of lines of code'. chart -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= However, be aware that this code may soon not work anymore. In particular, we plan to remove the processBlock: method and replace by something else. Let us know how it goes Cheers, Alexandre > On 31 Mar 2021, at 05:37, Evan Donahue <emdonahu(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello, > > Just returning to Pharo after 1000 years and have discovered that Roassal has upgraded to Roassal3. Trying to update my inspector integrations and can't seem to figure out how to get popups working. How can I get popups for the y values in a scatter plot such as the following: > > RSChart new addPlot: (RSScatterPlot new y: #(1 2 3)). > > Thanks, > Evan

April 1, 2021

How to get top level menu item shortcuts to work?

by Tim Mackinnon

Hi - I tried asking this on Discord, but it got lost in the day to day stuff - so trying here. I am a bit confused how Keyboard shortcuts work in P8 for World menus. I have a method with the <worldMenu> pragma, and I get aBuilder, and I create a top level menu item. Then to add a child, it seems that I just create a new #item: and set its #parent: to the new id I've created (all good), and then I set #keyText: 'r, o' and while it shows a menu item with CMD-RO in its text, the keystroke doesn't seem to work. I've tried different options even, 'o, x' but none of them trigger - so I must be missing something? Anyone know? My code looks like this (menuId = #Paradise - the top level menu item I have created) | menuId | (aBuilder item: (menuId := #Paradise)) order: 4.0; target: self; help: 'Tools to support Code Paradise projects'. (aBuilder item: #'Reload...') parent: menuId; help: 'Clear the session for a web application, and reload its''s page'; order: 15; keyText: 'r, r'; icon: (self iconNamed: #smallUpdate); action: [ self resetSession ].

April 1, 2021

Understanding how to best structure branches to contribute to a 3rd party project

by Tim Mackinnon

Hi Everyone - I tried asking this on Discord, but I think it got a bit lost - and perhaps for more philosophical questions, here is better. So - Iâm wondering what is the recommended way to work with another project you want to contribute to (in my case CodeParasides). So I know I can fork it and put the fork in my baseline. But Iâm assuming contributions are best done discretely on a branch per proposal (this seems to be the Pharo way - and it makes sense for ease of understanding), but if you have a few of these contributions in play (while the maintainer is evaluating them) would you then have your own âcombinationâ branch to consolidate all those fixes until they get merged in? Iâve started to try this, but merging between branches gets a bit tricky - a few times now it seems that Iceberg shows me misleading info on what is being added/removed (it always looks like my changes are going to be removed, when if fact they get added - so its a bit of a leap of faith on this). So Iâm wondering if Iâm overcomplicating things - or whether this is the suggested way to work with another project? Tim

April 1, 2021

Re: [ANN] Mole v3.2.0 [v3.2.0] released!

by Alexandre Bergel

Hello, That is awesome! I looked at the documentation, but I am left with one question: - is there a way to run a graph traversal algorithm on any arbitrary object? (e.g., Color red) Cheers, Alexandre > On 31 Mar 2021, at 22:01, Buenos Aires Smalltalk <github(a)fast.org.ar> wrote: > > Mole, a model for graphs, both directed and undirected. reached it's v3.2.0 version. > > Changelog > > â¢ Updated dependencies > â¢ Add Pharo 9 as a supported platform > â¢ Use GitHub actions for the build > Regards, > > The Buenos Aires Smalltalk team >

April 1, 2021