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Re: [Pharo-users] [OffTopic] Software inventory software

by CÃ©drick BÃ©ler

This sounds like a requirement for rgpd registers. Maybe Olivier has information on that. Cheers, Cedrick > Le 25 mai 2020 Ã 10:50, Santiago Bragagnolo <santiagobragagnolo(a)gmail.com> a Ã©crit : > > ï»¿ > Hi Everybody! > > Sorry for the offtopic. I am relying on the fact that I can find here people from different companies having the kind of problem we are suffering today. > > Can any body point me to a solution for software inventory? We are looking for a software that allow us to track down product/project information such as language, development dependancies, where is the code?, associated products, deployment dependancies, hardware / platform requirements ,etc. > > I have been searching on google and others without much success, mostly falling on products that solve partially the problematic, and that come with a large infrastructure to solve problems that we do not have. Such as system center et cia. > > Do you have any clue of good options for solving this problem? (Rather than having a document x product, that is what we have now). > > > Santiago >

May 25, 2020

[OffTopic] Software inventory software

by Santiago Bragagnolo

Hi Everybody! Sorry for the offtopic. I am relying on the fact that I can find here people from different companies having the kind of problem we are suffering today. Can any body point me to a solution for software inventory? We are looking for a software that allow us to track down product/project information such as language, development dependancies, where is the code?, associated products, deployment dependancies, hardware / platform requirements ,etc. I have been searching on google and others without much success, mostly falling on products that solve partially the problematic, and that come with a large infrastructure to solve problems that we do not have. Such as system center et cia. Do you have any clue of good options for solving this problem? (Rather than having a document x product, that is what we have now). Santiago

May 25, 2020

ExternalLibraryFunction(Object) can't find libgit2.so

by Michael Burns

MacOS â> Parallels -> Centos â> Pharo 8.0 Iâm trying to import an empty repository in Iceberg. I created a repos on GitHub, then made a local clone in Terminal. Now, when importing I get a progress bar âImporting repository from /home/Michael/â¦ It makes no progress and I immediately get the debugger. The top of the stack is ExternalLibraryFunction(Object) and the message is: "<cdecl: long 'git_repository_open' (void* char*) module: '/home/michael/Pharo/vms/80-x64/lib/pharo/5.0-202002121043/libgit2.soâ> â self I see that yum has already installed libgit2.x86_64. But this is looking for the file in Pharoâs vms/80-x64, and it is there: [michael@localhost /]$ ls -l /home/michael/Pharo/vms/80-x64/lib/pharo/5.0-202002121043/libgit2.so -rw-r--r--. 1 michael michael 3203664 Feb 12 06:07 /home/michael/Pharo/vms/80-x64/lib/pharo/5.0-202002121043/libgit2.so Is there a workaround or a fix?

May 24, 2020

Moving a Pharo window under Centos

by Michael Burns

Iâm trying out Pharo on Centos. Since I donât have a spare PC that I can install Centos, I installed on my Mac under Parallels. Centos runs fine, and I was able to install latest Pharo 8.0. With any other windows under Centos I can grab the title bar, move it, then drop it where I like. However, inside Pharo, any window I grab by the title bar, though it moves to follow my cursor, Does not drop when I let up on the mouse. Iâm then stuck where all I can do is drag that window around but never drop it. For some reason when I Cmd-tab away to a Mac App, then move the cursor back to Pharo it only rarely fixes the problem. Anybody else run Pharo under Centos, under Parallels? Anybody else seen this? Is there a fix or a workaround?

May 24, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] Pushing to GitHub repository from my iceberg repository is hung (beachball). How do I interrupt the process?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> On 23 May 2020, at 22:57, Michael Burns <michaelburns(a)mac.com> wrote: > > Thanks StÃ©phane: > > Sorry I did not answer your questions below earlier. I often see your mails on my iPad while having coffee. > By the time I got to my computer I had forgotten. don;t worry for me emails are by definition late bound. > > Answers below marked MKB: > >> On May 23, 2020, at 3:48 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr <mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>> wrote: >> >> Hi michael >> >> Iâm sincerly sad about the bad experience you encounter (especially when I see how stable is the system on my >> machine â and Iâm a bug magnet for any software â everything crashes with me â sadly enough). >> >>> >>> I had been following the Developing a simple counter chapter. >>> All was well. >>> I created an iceberg repository and added my Project to it. >>> I committed the sources to git. >>> Still working OK. >>> Then I did a push of all that to my GitHub/MichaelKentBurns/MyCounter repository. >>> I got a progress bar for the push which never made any progress. >> >> Can you tell us what is your OS? >> version > > MKB: MacOS 10.15.4. Oh this is strange because most of the crew here is using mac (or linux or windows) :) > >> pharo version > > MKB: Pharo 8.0.0 > Build information: Pharo-8.0.0+build.1124.sha.0932da82f08175e906b0e2a8052120c823374e9f (64 Bit) > > >> >> Can you commit from the command line? > > MKB: Yes, Iâve used git from a shell and several git Gui clients for years. > I started earlier (before I was introduced to Iceberg) by filing out my classes into the top level of a git repo for this project. > Then I can commit and push from there to GitHub > >> >> Are you using ssh or Https? > > MKB: I have probably used ssh, but more likely https. > >> >> If ssh are you using an agent? > > MKB: Not sure what you mean. Not that Iâm aware of. I use an ssh-agent to not have to retype my login.

May 23, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] Pushing to GitHub repository from my iceberg repository is hung (beachball). How do I interrupt the process?

by Michael Burns

Thanks StÃ©phane: Sorry I did not answer your questions below earlier. I often see your mails on my iPad while having coffee. By the time I got to my computer I had forgotten. Answers below marked MKB: > On May 23, 2020, at 3:48 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > Hi michael > > Iâm sincerly sad about the bad experience you encounter (especially when I see how stable is the system on my > machine â and Iâm a bug magnet for any software â everything crashes with me â sadly enough). > >> >> I had been following the Developing a simple counter chapter. >> All was well. >> I created an iceberg repository and added my Project to it. >> I committed the sources to git. >> Still working OK. >> Then I did a push of all that to my GitHub/MichaelKentBurns/MyCounter repository. >> I got a progress bar for the push which never made any progress. > > Can you tell us what is your OS? > version MKB: MacOS 10.15.4. > pharo version MKB: Pharo 8.0.0 Build information: Pharo-8.0.0+build.1124.sha.0932da82f08175e906b0e2a8052120c823374e9f (64 Bit) > > Can you commit from the command line? MKB: Yes, Iâve used git from a shell and several git Gui clients for years. I started earlier (before I was introduced to Iceberg) by filing out my classes into the top level of a git repo for this project. Then I can commit and push from there to GitHub > > Are you using ssh or Https? MKB: I have probably used ssh, but more likely https. > > If ssh are you using an agent? MKB: Not sure what you mean. Not that Iâm aware of. > > In Pharo 90 we are about to release a new C binding for libgit because the version we use is .25 and we will get to 1.0. > >> Instead I got the beachball spinner. After quite some time I wanted to interrupt it to see if I could recover, but I could find a way. >> Eventually I had to force-quit. > > Arg. >> >> When I restarted my Pharo image, all of that work was lost because I had not done a save. > > Your code is there. > Open the change code. > And you can reapply your changes. > As a general principle the only thing that you can really lose is the method you are editing but did not compile > (and all your code if you do not have write permissions but this is a bit normal) > MKB: I was able to recover all the changes. Thanks. > > <Screenshot 2020-05-23 at 10.41.56.png> > >> >> My Question: Is there some way to interrupt such a process? >> >> You should be able to push <meta-.> where meta is Ctrl / Alt / Command depending on your OS. >> i.e. push period and meta keys together. >> >> btw, in Pharo 7 I have been experiencing a few seconds lag before the debugger appears, >> such that it seems it didn't work so I end up hammering the <meta-.> key and half a dozen debuggers show up. >> Apart from needing to modify my behaviour, what have other experienced. >> I understood there was some work lately to improve responsiveness, so maybe I move to Pharo 9 soon. >> >> cheers -ben > > -------------------------------------------- > StÃ©phane Ducasse > http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> > 03 59 35 87 52 > Assistant: Aurore Dalle > FAX 03 59 57 78 50 > TEL 03 59 35 86 16 > S. Ducasse - Inria > 40, avenue Halley, > Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza > Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 > France >

May 23, 2020

Re: Pushing to GitHub repository from my iceberg repository is hung (beachball). How do I interrupt the process?

by Michael Burns

Thanks. Comments below marked MKB: > On May 23, 2020, at 3:49 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > Ok I will that you are > > P8 > sometimes we have to wait for timeout it should be 1 min (from memory). > > Can you push from the command line? MKB: Yes, I have been using git for years. I am trying to see how Icebergâs use of git repo differs from what Iâm used to. > > S. > >> On 23 May 2020, at 00:16, Michael Burns <michaelburns(a)mac.com <mailto:michaelburns@mac.com>> wrote: >> >> >> From: Michael Burns <michaelburns(a)mac.com <mailto:michaelburns@mac.com>> >> Subject: Pushing to GitHub repository from my iceberg repository is hung (beachball). How do I interrupt the process? >> Date: 23 May 2020 at 00:16:54 CEST >> To: "pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org>" <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org>> >> Cc: Michael Burns <michaelburns(a)mac.com <mailto:michaelburns@mac.com>> >> >> >> I had been following the Developing a simple counter chapter. >> All was well. >> I created an iceberg repository and added my Project to it. >> I committed the sources to git. >> Still working OK. >> Then I did a push of all that to my GitHub/MichaelKentBurns/MyCounter repository. >> I got a progress bar for the push which never made any progress. >> Instead I got the beachball spinner. After quite some time I wanted to interrupt it to see if I could recover, but I could find a way. >> Eventually I had to force-quit. >> >> When I restarted my Pharo image, all of that work was lost because I had not done a save. >> >> My Question: Is there some way to interrupt such a process? >> >> Screen capture attached. >> >> <Screen Shot 2020-05-22 at 4.05.49 PM.png> >> >> > > -------------------------------------------- > StÃ©phane Ducasse > http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> > 03 59 35 87 52 > Assistant: Aurore Dalle > FAX 03 59 57 78 50 > TEL 03 59 35 86 16 > S. Ducasse - Inria > 40, avenue Halley, > Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza > Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 > France >

May 23, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] Project of Interest => Jekyll + Dynamic processing integration + Git(hubs)Pages => pharo in the middle

by CÃ©drick BÃ©ler

Hi Torsten, > > Hi CÃ©drick, > > You know <https://www.netlify.com> where you can quickly connect to a GitHub project and serve it with a global CDN easily > in seconds as in <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN9oI98As_4> I actually just discovered after sending the email, as Hugo for as a generator too. https://jamstatic.fr/2017/06/07/migration-de-jekyll-a-hugo/ <https://jamstatic.fr/2017/06/07/migration-de-jekyll-a-hugo/> Looks interesting. Iâll try. > > As the site runs HTTPS you can even host quickly a HTML/CSS/JS based PWA application. I tried with React and it works > nicely. So when you push a change to GitHub it easily goes live ... using two branches you can distinquish between prod > vs. dev. > > > No direct need for ruby or explicit site generator - but if you need you can also use Pharo and try "Mustache" or "Templ" and > similar to generate the page. Yes I think itâs doable too and would be great. I donât want to really install Jekyll, more rely on the GitHub integration. So it builds too after a change (the delay might be a problem though for some - thatâs why people prefer hogo + netlify). The idea is to help people build their web site and quickly be able to change without asking me to do it. This is for now mostly for friends and some projects we have to make a web site on (and Iâm often the guy whose asked for doing a simple siteâ¦). > If you want Pharo for a backend or in the middle then either continue running your linux machine or put Pharo into docker and > run it on Azure, AWS or any other cloud based service out there. This way you can raise more instances when traffic raises > and you can scale. Decoupling the services is easy with REST/GraphQL and Pharo has projects to support that (Stargate, > Teapot/Tealight, GraphQL, ...). > > You can even go serverless with Pharo Lambda Ultimate. > > Many, many possibilities these days... Oh yes :). But as I want to keep it really simple, Iâll go for some kind of static site generation. I want people to have a simple vitrine of their activity, with a contact form and a certain feed of article. Iâll explore a bit more this tools so lets discuss it too. > > Have fun > T. You too ;-) CÃ©drick > > > > Gesendet: Samstag, 23. Mai 2020 um 15:13 Uhr > Von: "CÃ©drick BÃ©ler" <cdrick65(a)gmail.com> > An: "Pharo Development List" <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org>, "Any question about pharo is welcome" <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> > Betreff: [Pharo-users] Project of Interest => Jekyll + Dynamic processing integration + Git(hubs)Pages => pharo in the middle > > Hi there, > > This post is just to talk about one side project Iâm exploring and interested in from a long time. I think it may interest other people here. > > Iâd like to have powerful (static based) web site so hosting is really cheap (even free) and hassle free. Iâve my own server for years, it is cheap and simple but, of course, it needs some maintenance (linux update, nginx scripts, â¦) even if tools are the simplest Iâve found. > > Recently thanks to student projects ;-), I found some time to learn what I find is a wonderful solution. This solution is to use GitHub DSCM, GitHub Pages and Jekyll (a ruby static site generator that is natively integrated) all together. > https://jekyllrb.com[https://jekyllrb.com] > > The beauty is that you can edit the site straight on GitHub. We get the power of version system and hosting for freeâ¦ > It literally is a CMS and the cheapest and reliable that I know of (grav might be another option). > > Of course, there are some Â« dynamic Â» content possibilities too (otherwise GitHub Pages is enough) > - blog posts are natively generated through new files according to a name convention. > - there are plugins too (but you have to watch for compatibility in GitHub). > > Dealing with forms and comments is possible > - solutions that are hosted on a third-party. Solution like Discus or formspree, â¦ (thatâs a NO GO to me) > - web service integration that you can host (note that form spree is on GitHub too https://github.com/formspree/formspree[https://github.com/formspree/formspr…) > > This last point is where Iâd like Pharo (Zinc, Iceberg) to be integrated. Again we could imagine a web service system based on Zinc. I could manage form submissions that way and everything Iâd like but it may end up complex. Do I need a database ? Do I need to store information and therefore manage the underlying architecture. If it crash, I want only the endpoint to be not available but the whole site still working. > > An in between elegant solution os to use git for what itâs good at (versioning collaboratively through PR, and also reliable hosting in classic platforms). > > > The idea is to use the PR mechanisms to submit stuff like blog comments (note that you have a free moderation system). > This is actually not limited to comments but all kinds of possible interactionâ¦ > > This way is (to me) better in terms of infrastructure management. Such a service also needs to be available (and maintained) but this is a very minimalist machinery (hanling POST request service only - no real content management as deferred to github). And again, a fail safe version (for the last version of the generated pages). > > Staticman (https://staticman.net[https://staticman.net]) is a nice node application that allows to do this. Itâs possible to host the service too. > > > I can use this node app of course, but I believe we could have quite easily such an application in Pharo with Zinc. > I also wonder if we could use Iceberg to deal with this information straight in a pharo image (thatâd be cherry on the cake). > The super cherry of the cake would be pharo core and lib documentation, demos (you can have one gihub page by organization and/or users - in paid plans, you can have more for private stuff)â¦ One place, one process to contribute, either for code or documentation. > > Anyway, I have no real question except than asking for feedback and also to know if some people are interested in such project. > > Cheers, > > CÃ©drick > > nb: my hidden goal is to provide web site for people, unipersonal and small organizations. So you know, they pay for the service of creation, but then they own it and can do whatever they like. Of course we can also offer paid services like managing dynamic information content. More than comments, Iâd like to be able to deal with stuff like orders, facturation, even meeting planning through ics versioned files, etc. > This really is something Iâd like to be able to provide soon (less than 1 yr time - simplest web site with contact form and comments at least). It might become something more serious the future... > > >

May 23, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] Project of Interest => Jekyll + Dynamic processing integration + Git(hubs)Pages => pharo in the middle

by Torsten Bergmann

HiÂ CÃ©drick, You know <https://www.netlify.com> where you can quickly connect to a GitHub project and serve it with a global CDN easily in seconds as in <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN9oI98As_4> As the site runs HTTPS you can even host quickly a HTML/CSS/JS based PWA application. I tried with React and it works nicely. So when you push a change to GitHub it easily goes live ... using two branches you can distinquish betweenÂ prod vs. dev. Â No direct need for ruby or explicit site generator - but if you need you can also use Pharo and try "Mustache" or "Templ" and similar to generate the page. If you want Pharo for a backend or in the middle then either continue running your linux machine or put Pharo into docker and run it on Azure, AWS or any other cloud based service out there. This way you can raise more instances when traffic raises and you can scale. Decoupling the services is easy with REST/GraphQL and Pharo has projects to support that (Stargate, Teapot/Tealight, GraphQL, ...). You can even go serverless with Pharo Lambda Ultimate. Many, many possibilities these days... Have fun T. Â Â Gesendet:Â Samstag, 23. Mai 2020 um 15:13 Uhr Von:Â "CÃ©drick BÃ©ler" <cdrick65(a)gmail.com> An:Â "Pharo Development List" <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org>, "Any question about pharo is welcome" <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> Betreff:Â [Pharo-users] Project of Interest => Jekyll + Dynamic processing integration + Git(hubs)Pages => pharo in the middle Hi there,Â Â This post is just to talk about one side project Iâm exploring and interested in from a long time. I think it may interest other people here. Â Iâd like to have powerful (static based) web site so hosting is really cheap (even free) and hassle free. Iâve my own server for years, it is cheap and simple but, of course, it needs some maintenance (linux update, nginx scripts, â¦) even if tools are the simplest Iâve found. Â Recently thanks to student projects ;-), I found some time to learn what I find is a wonderful solution. This solution is to use GitHub DSCM, GitHub Pages and Jekyll (a ruby static site generator that is natively integrated) all together. https://jekyllrb.com[https://jekyllrb.com]Â Â The beauty is that you can edit the site straight on GitHub. We get the power of version system and hosting for freeâ¦Â It literally is a CMS and the cheapest and reliable that I know of (grav might be another option). Â Of course, there are some Â«Â dynamicÂ Â» content possibilities too (otherwise GitHub Pages is enough) - blog posts are natively generated through new files according to a name convention. - there are plugins too (but you have to watch for compatibility in GitHub). Â Dealing with forms and comments is possible - solutions that are hosted on a third-party. Solution like Discus or formspree, â¦ (thatâs a NO GO to me) - web service integration that you can host (note that form spree is on GitHub too https://github.com/formspree/formspree[https://github.com/formspree/formspr…) Â This last point is where Iâd like Pharo (Zinc, Iceberg) to be integrated. Again we could imagine a web service system based on Zinc. I could manage form submissions that way and everything Iâd like but it may end up complex. Do I need a database ? Do I need to store information and therefore manage the underlying architecture. If it crash, I want only the endpoint to be not available but the whole site still working. Â An in between elegant solution os to use git for what itâs good at (versioning collaboratively through PR, and also reliable hosting in classic platforms).Â Â The idea is to use the PR mechanisms to submit stuff like blog comments (note that you have a free moderation system).Â This is actually not limited to comments but all kinds of possible interactionâ¦ Â This way is (to me) better in terms of infrastructure management. Such a service also needs to be available (and maintained) but this is a very minimalist machinery (hanling POST request service only - no real content management as deferred to github). And again, a fail safe version (for the last version of the generated pages). Â Staticman (https://staticman.net[https://staticman.net]) is a nice node application that allows to do this. Itâs possible to host the service too. Â I can use this node app of course, but I believe we could have quite easily such an application in Pharo with Zinc.Â I also wonder if we could use Iceberg to deal with this information straight in a pharo image (thatâd be cherry on the cake).Â The super cherry of the cake would be pharo core and lib documentation, demos (you can have one gihub page by organization and/or users - in paid plans, you can have more for private stuff)â¦ One place, one process to contribute, either for code or documentation. Â Anyway, I have no real question except than asking for feedback and also to know if some people are interested in such project.Â Â Cheers, Â CÃ©drick Â nb: my hidden goal is to provide web site for people, unipersonal and small organizations. So you know, they pay for the service of creation, but then they own it and can do whatever they like. Of course we can also offer paid services like managing dynamic information content. More than comments, Iâd like to be able to deal with stuff like orders, facturation, even meeting planning through ics versioned files, etc.Â This really is something Iâd like to be able to provide soon (less than 1 yr time - simplest web site with contact form and comments at least). It might become something more serious the future... Â Â

May 23, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] What are good reasons to use Smalltalk?

by horrido

I can come up with one counter-example. I've been on Quora for the past several years. From time to time, I encounter weird behaviour in Chrome. When I try to confirm this in Firefox, the issue goes away! And, of course, my Smalltalk poll is another counter-example. Esteban A. Maringolo wrote > On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 10:37 AM Vitor Medina Cruz < > vitormcruz@ > > wrote: >> >> Richard >> >> "The browsers are *way* more compatible than Smalltalk systems are." >> >> How so? > > You can have a webpage, or even a web application (JS) and it will run > exactly the same on all major, modern, web-browsers (Chromium, Safari > and Firefox). > > Regards, > > Esteban A. Maringolo -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

May 23, 2020