April 2020 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] Don't tell I sent that ;)

by CÃ©drick BÃ©ler

And of course the email was intended to be private :s Sorry for that. CÃ©drick > Le 24 avr. 2020 Ã 09:56, CÃ©drick BÃ©ler <cdrick65(a)gmail.com> a Ã©crit : > > Found the link. As I guess not legal, I send private. > > Iâve the book. I liked it if I remember ;) > > https://doc.lagout.org/programmation/Smalltalk/Smalltalk%20-%20Objects%20an… > > Cheers, > CÃ©drick

April 24, 2020

Don't tell I sent that ;)

by CÃ©drick BÃ©ler

Found the link. As I guess not legal, I send private. Iâve the book. I liked it if I remember ;) https://doc.lagout.org/programmation/Smalltalk/Smalltalk%20-%20Objects%20an… Cheers, CÃ©drick

April 24, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] mentor wanted

by Hilaire

Find it. It is a chapter of the book Squeak, Open Personal Computing and Multimedia <http://sdmeta.gforge.inria.fr/FreeBooks/CollectiveNBlueBook/> http://sdmeta.gforge.inria.fr/FreeBooks/GuzdialBookDrafts/DesignObjects-ch4… Le 24/04/2020 Ã 09:39, Hilaire a Ã©critÂ : > I remember about a Smalltalk book presenting the CRC concept precisely > used to cut complex problem in small chunks. -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

April 24, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] mentor wanted

by CÃ©drick BÃ©ler

Hi, Maybe you meant this one ? https://www.amazon.fr/dp/1583484906/ref=rdr_ext_tmb There is a chapter on CRC I donât think it is available online. Cheers, CÃ©drick > Le 24 avr. 2020 Ã 09:39, Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> a Ã©crit : > > Hi Roelof, > > I remember about a Smalltalk book presenting the CRC concept precisely used to cut complex problem in small chunks. > > I can't find the reference right now but it is very likely among those books available online (http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/FreeBooks.html) May be a member of the list remember about it. > > Hilaire > > Le 23/04/2020 Ã 12:31, Roelof Wobben via Pharo-users a Ã©crit : >> With complex problems I do not see how to solve things in small steps. > > -- > Dr. Geo > http://drgeo.eu > > >

April 24, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] mentor wanted

by Hilaire

Hi Roelof, I remember about a Smalltalk book presenting the CRC concept precisely used to cut complex problem in small chunks. I can't find the reference right now but it is very likely among those books available online (http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/FreeBooks.html) May be a member of the list remember about it. Hilaire Le 23/04/2020 Ã 12:31, Roelof Wobben via Pharo-users a Ã©critÂ : > With complex problems I do not see how to solve things in small steps. -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

April 24, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] mentor wanted

by Roelof Wobben

April 24, 2020

Testing Baselines Modifications

by Vitor Medina Cruz

Hello, How do you usually test Baseline modifications? I have a separate image with my git project added and when I need I load it with Metacello to see if everything works correctly, but this it seems unkward to me because I need to commit every change I make in one image Baseline in order to load in the other. Doing this test in the same image I am developing already caused trouble to me, lost code, some oddities, and often I had to discard the image and start over in another one. Is there a best way of testing Baselines changes? Thanks, Vitor

April 24, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] mentor wanted

by Richard Sargent

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 2:42 PM Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> wrote: > Op 23-4-2020 om 23:00 schreef Richard Sargent: > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 12:14 PM Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> wrote: > >> Op 23-4-2020 om 21:09 schreef Richard Sargent: >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 12:00 PM Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> wrote: >> >>> Op 23-4-2020 om 20:52 schreef Richard Sargent: >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:32 AM Roelof Wobben via Pharo-users < >>> pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I like Pharo a lot but I hit a wall very often. >>>> With complex problems I do not see how to solve things in small steps. >>>> >>> >>> I would be happy to help with the Smalltalk and problem analysis >>> aspects. Unfortunately, I don't use Pharo much, so I cannot help with it. >>> >>> >>>> Is there somewhere who is willing to mentor me in how I can overcome >>>> that problem. >>>> >>>> Roelof >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Pity, >>> >>> >>> but if you could help me to learn how to divide a complex problem in >>> smaller steps , then I think I can make it work in Pharo. My problem is >>> more that then how to do it in Pharo. >>> >>> Do you then use gemtalk a lot. >>> Pity that I cannot make exercism challenges on that. >>> And AdventOfCode do seem to difficult for a beginner. >>> >> >> Yes, I can help with those areas. I've been programming professionally >> and virtually exclusively in Smalltalk since 1991. >> >> I've been using GemStone/S since 2009 and now work for the manufacturer. >> I've been working with VA Smalltalk and its predecessors since 1994 and >> with VisualWorks since 2009. >> >> I hear you about using GemStone/S. For most of its life, the assumption >> was that you would use a client Smalltalk like VA Smalltalk or VisualWorks >> to do your development work. Although, recently we've been working on >> Jadeite (https://github.com/GemTalk/Jadeite) to provide a development >> environment independent of GBS (which is what we used to connect VA >> Smalltalk and VisualWorks to GemStone/S). >> >> >>> Roelof >>> >>> >> >> Oke, I have heard of it but because I could not find a course or book >> about gemstone and found a mooc about Pharo I choose that one. >> > > Pharo is an excellent choice and the MOOC should help. > > >> But is there then much difference between Pharo and Gemstone or can I >> make a solution to a problem and use the same code for both. >> > > There are many differences. Most notably, GemStone doesn't have a GUI. > However, there are many people using what's called "Develop in Pharo, > deploy in GemStone" with Seaside. > > >> For me programming is a hobby. In the Netherlands most companies use c# >> and with 53 and no XP I do not think its wise to think I find a job as >> developer. >> > > It's a good hobby. I wouldn't plan on finding a job, if I were you, but > you never know. Opportunities come along, especially if you are ready for > one. > > >> Roelof >> >> > Oke, > > if you still wanted , it is fine with me that you mentor me. > But I think we need to find a way to make it work and I do not know if > posting on the pharo ml is a good way to make it work because then we > pollute the ML and other people can interfer. > > Do you have any ideas ? > For me its fine that you send emails to my personal email. > Either way works for me, but I think discussing the issues on list will be beneficial. There are a lot of other people out there who will have ideas and different perspectives. And some of them might be able to answer your questions more quickly than I could get to them. > Roelof > > >

April 23, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] mentor wanted

by Roelof Wobben

April 23, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] mentor wanted

by Richard Sargent

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 12:14 PM Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> wrote: > Op 23-4-2020 om 21:09 schreef Richard Sargent: > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 12:00 PM Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> wrote: > >> Op 23-4-2020 om 20:52 schreef Richard Sargent: >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:32 AM Roelof Wobben via Pharo-users < >> pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I like Pharo a lot but I hit a wall very often. >>> With complex problems I do not see how to solve things in small steps. >>> >> >> I would be happy to help with the Smalltalk and problem analysis aspects. >> Unfortunately, I don't use Pharo much, so I cannot help with it. >> >> >>> Is there somewhere who is willing to mentor me in how I can overcome >>> that problem. >>> >>> Roelof >>> >>> >>> >> Pity, >> >> >> but if you could help me to learn how to divide a complex problem in >> smaller steps , then I think I can make it work in Pharo. My problem is >> more that then how to do it in Pharo. >> >> Do you then use gemtalk a lot. >> Pity that I cannot make exercism challenges on that. >> And AdventOfCode do seem to difficult for a beginner. >> > > Yes, I can help with those areas. I've been programming professionally and > virtually exclusively in Smalltalk since 1991. > > I've been using GemStone/S since 2009 and now work for the manufacturer. > I've been working with VA Smalltalk and its predecessors since 1994 and > with VisualWorks since 2009. > > I hear you about using GemStone/S. For most of its life, the assumption > was that you would use a client Smalltalk like VA Smalltalk or VisualWorks > to do your development work. Although, recently we've been working on > Jadeite (https://github.com/GemTalk/Jadeite) to provide a development > environment independent of GBS (which is what we used to connect VA > Smalltalk and VisualWorks to GemStone/S). > > >> Roelof >> >> > > Oke, I have heard of it but because I could not find a course or book > about gemstone and found a mooc about Pharo I choose that one. > Pharo is an excellent choice and the MOOC should help. > But is there then much difference between Pharo and Gemstone or can I make > a solution to a problem and use the same code for both. > There are many differences. Most notably, GemStone doesn't have a GUI. However, there are many people using what's called "Develop in Pharo, deploy in GemStone" with Seaside. > For me programming is a hobby. In the Netherlands most companies use c# > and with 53 and no XP I do not think its wise to think I find a job as > developer. > It's a good hobby. I wouldn't plan on finding a job, if I were you, but you never know. Opportunities come along, especially if you are ready for one. > Roelof > >

April 23, 2020