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Re: [Pharo-users] Any existing RDF implementation in Pharo?

by Christian Haider

Great! Please keep me posted when you are doing something. Good luck, Christian Von: Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka(a)icloud.com> Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. MÃ¤rz 2020 16:26 An: Christian Haider <christian.haider(a)smalltalked-visuals.com> Cc: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> Betreff: Re: [Pharo-users] Any existing RDF implementation in Pharo? Hi Christian, thank you for the explanation! Now, I now what to expect and search for :-) I am particularly curious how you implemented it. I will see, if I need to port it to Pharo. Best, Juraj On 17 Mar 2020, at 08:15, Christian Haider <christian.haider(a)smalltalked-visuals.com <mailto:christian.haider@smalltalked-visuals.com> > wrote: Hi Juraj, yes, you need VisualWorks, but any old one will do, since it does not need any new stuff. For a migration you need Values (simple, more below) and an XML implementation (I heard XML is robust in Pharo, but have not used it. The API may be different from the VW one). The status of the implementation has not changed and I have just started to use it to implement XMP, which will change and refine the RDF API. I am not aware of any other users. This means, that it is not speedified nor robustified ð â but any help is welcome! Before last ESUG, I started to port RDF for the community, because someone asked me for it. I started with the Values package by renaming my OrderedDictionary to Valuemap, because I couldnât use the Pharo OrderedDictionary since it is kaputt. I am still suffering from this renaming, since it is at the core of all I doâ¦ Later at ESUG, I had a discussion about porting with the one who asked me. Then I lost interest â¹. So, if you want to do something, I can help you with any questions. (But, unless there is a business case, I will not touch Pharo just for fun). Happy hacking, Christian Von: Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka(a)icloud.com <mailto:juraj.kubelka@icloud.com> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. MÃ¤rz 2020 10:22 An: Christian Haider <christian.haider(a)smalltalked-visuals.com <mailto:christian.haider@smalltalked-visuals.com> > Cc: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> > Betreff: Re: [Pharo-users] Any existing RDF implementation in Pharo? Hi Christian, thank you for the link to you project? If I understand it well, I need the latest VisualWorks and I find the project in the public store, right? Have you also tried to migrate it to Pharo as Esteban suggests? What is the status? Best, Juraj On 16 Mar 2020, at 11:53, Christian Haider < <mailto:christian.haider@smalltalked-visuals.com> christian.haider(a)smalltalked-visuals.com> wrote: Hi, I did one for VisualWorks: <https://wiki.pdftalk.de/doku.php?id=rdf> https://wiki.pdftalk.de/doku.php?id=rdf Happy hacking, Christian Von: Pharo-users < <mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org> pharo-users-bounces(a)lists.pharo.org> Im Auftrag von Juraj Kubelka via Pharo-users Gesendet: Montag, 16. MÃ¤rz 2020 13:41 An: Any question about pharo is welcome < <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> Cc: Juraj Kubelka < <mailto:juraj.kubelka@icloud.com> juraj.kubelka(a)icloud.com> Betreff: [Pharo-users] Any existing RDF implementation in Pharo?

March 17, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] Any existing RDF implementation in Pharo?

by Juraj Kubelka

Hi Christian, thank you for the explanation! Now, I now what to expect and search for :-) I am particularly curious how you implemented it. I will see, if I need to port it to Pharo. Best, Juraj > On 17 Mar 2020, at 08:15, Christian Haider <christian.haider(a)smalltalked-visuals.com> wrote: > > Hi Juraj, > > yes, you need VisualWorks, but any old one will do, since it does not need any new stuff. > > For a migration you need Values (simple, more below) and an XML implementation (I heard XML is robust in Pharo, but have not used it. The API may be different from the VW one). > > The status of the implementation has not changed and I have just started to use it to implement XMP, which will change and refine the RDF API. > I am not aware of any other users. This means, that it is not speedified nor robustified ð â but any help is welcome! > > Before last ESUG, I started to port RDF for the community, because someone asked me for it. > I started with the Values package by renaming my OrderedDictionary to Valuemap, because I couldnât use the Pharo OrderedDictionary since it is kaputt. I am still suffering from this renaming, since it is at the core of all I doâ¦ > Later at ESUG, I had a discussion about porting with the one who asked me. Then I lost interest â¹. > > So, if you want to do something, I can help you with any questions. > (But, unless there is a business case, I will not touch Pharo just for fun). > > Happy hacking, > Christian > > > Von: Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka(a)icloud.com> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. MÃ¤rz 2020 10:22 > An: Christian Haider <christian.haider(a)smalltalked-visuals.com> > Cc: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> > Betreff: Re: [Pharo-users] Any existing RDF implementation in Pharo? > > Hi Christian, > > thank you for the link to you project? If I understand it well, I need the latest VisualWorks and I find the project in the public store, right? > > Have you also tried to migrate it to Pharo as Esteban suggests? What is the status? > > Best, > Juraj > > >> On 16 Mar 2020, at 11:53, Christian Haider <christian.haider(a)smalltalked-visuals.com <mailto:christian.haider@smalltalked-visuals.com>> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I did one for VisualWorks: https://wiki.pdftalk.de/doku.php?id=rdf <https://wiki.pdftalk.de/doku.php?id=rdf> >> >> Happy hacking, >> Christian >> >> >> Von: Pharo-users <pharo-users-bounces(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org>> Im Auftrag von Juraj Kubelka via Pharo-users >> Gesendet: Montag, 16. MÃ¤rz 2020 13:41 >> An: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org>> >> Cc: Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka(a)icloud.com <mailto:juraj.kubelka@icloud.com>> >> Betreff: [Pharo-users] Any existing RDF implementation in Pharo?

March 17, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] Any existing RDF implementation in Pharo?

by Christian Haider

No, you donât need any of the PDF stuff. On the contrary, RDF will be a prerequisite for PDF once XMP is implemented. RDF itself needs only Values and a decent XML implementation. Happy hacking, Christian Von: CÃ©drick BÃ©ler <cdrick65(a)gmail.com> Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. MÃ¤rz 2020 11:32 An: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> Cc: Christian Haider <christian.haider(a)smalltalked-visuals.com>; Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka(a)icloud.com> Betreff: Re: [Pharo-users] Any existing RDF implementation in Pharo? Hello, from what I remember, this would require porting the pdf lib of christian as Values one of the underlying framework. But not a straight task though I thing that would be a nice addition :) Cheers, CÃ©drick (@athome) Le 17 mars 2020 Ã 10:22, Juraj Kubelka via Pharo-users <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> > a Ã©crit : De: Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka(a)icloud.com <mailto:juraj.kubelka@icloud.com> > Objet: Re : [Pharo-users] Any existing RDF implementation in Pharo? Date: 17 mars 2020 Ã 10:22:29 UTC+1 Ã: Christian Haider <christian.haider(a)smalltalked-visuals.com <mailto:christian.haider@smalltalked-visuals.com> > Cc: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> > Hi Christian, thank you for the link to you project? If I understand it well, I need the latest VisualWorks and I find the project in the public store, right? Have you also tried to migrate it to Pharo as Esteban suggests? What is the status? Best, Juraj On 16 Mar 2020, at 11:53, Christian Haider <christian.haider(a)smalltalked-visuals.com <mailto:christian.haider@smalltalked-visuals.com> > wrote: Hi, I did one for VisualWorks: <https://wiki.pdftalk.de/doku.php?id=rdf> https://wiki.pdftalk.de/doku.php?id=rdf Happy hacking, Christian Von: Pharo-users < <mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org> pharo-users-bounces(a)lists.pharo.org> Im Auftrag von Juraj Kubelka via Pharo-users Gesendet: Montag, 16. MÃ¤rz 2020 13:41 An: Any question about pharo is welcome < <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> Cc: Juraj Kubelka < <mailto:juraj.kubelka@icloud.com> juraj.kubelka(a)icloud.com> Betreff: [Pharo-users] Any existing RDF implementation in Pharo?

March 17, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] Any existing RDF implementation in Pharo?

by Christian Haider

Hi Juraj, yes, you need VisualWorks, but any old one will do, since it does not need any new stuff. For a migration you need Values (simple, more below) and an XML implementation (I heard XML is robust in Pharo, but have not used it. The API may be different from the VW one). The status of the implementation has not changed and I have just started to use it to implement XMP, which will change and refine the RDF API. I am not aware of any other users. This means, that it is not speedified nor robustified ð â but any help is welcome! Before last ESUG, I started to port RDF for the community, because someone asked me for it. I started with the Values package by renaming my OrderedDictionary to Valuemap, because I couldnât use the Pharo OrderedDictionary since it is kaputt. I am still suffering from this renaming, since it is at the core of all I doâ¦ Later at ESUG, I had a discussion about porting with the one who asked me. Then I lost interest â¹. So, if you want to do something, I can help you with any questions. (But, unless there is a business case, I will not touch Pharo just for fun). Happy hacking, Christian Von: Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka(a)icloud.com> Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. MÃ¤rz 2020 10:22 An: Christian Haider <christian.haider(a)smalltalked-visuals.com> Cc: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> Betreff: Re: [Pharo-users] Any existing RDF implementation in Pharo? Hi Christian, thank you for the link to you project? If I understand it well, I need the latest VisualWorks and I find the project in the public store, right? Have you also tried to migrate it to Pharo as Esteban suggests? What is the status? Best, Juraj On 16 Mar 2020, at 11:53, Christian Haider <christian.haider(a)smalltalked-visuals.com <mailto:christian.haider@smalltalked-visuals.com> > wrote: Hi, I did one for VisualWorks: <https://wiki.pdftalk.de/doku.php?id=rdf> https://wiki.pdftalk.de/doku.php?id=rdf Happy hacking, Christian Von: Pharo-users < <mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org> pharo-users-bounces(a)lists.pharo.org> Im Auftrag von Juraj Kubelka via Pharo-users Gesendet: Montag, 16. MÃ¤rz 2020 13:41 An: Any question about pharo is welcome < <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> Cc: Juraj Kubelka < <mailto:juraj.kubelka@icloud.com> juraj.kubelka(a)icloud.com> Betreff: [Pharo-users] Any existing RDF implementation in Pharo?

March 17, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] Any existing RDF implementation in Pharo?

by CÃ©drick BÃ©ler

Hello, from what I remember, this would require porting the pdf lib of christian as Values one of the underlying framework. But not a straight task though I thing that would be a nice addition :) Cheers, CÃ©drick (@athome) > Le 17 mars 2020 Ã 10:22, Juraj Kubelka via Pharo-users <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> a Ã©crit : > > > De: Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka(a)icloud.com> > Objet: Re : [Pharo-users] Any existing RDF implementation in Pharo? > Date: 17 mars 2020 Ã 10:22:29 UTC+1 > Ã: Christian Haider <christian.haider(a)smalltalked-visuals.com> > Cc: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> > > > Hi Christian, > > thank you for the link to you project? If I understand it well, I need the latest VisualWorks and I find the project in the public store, right? > > Have you also tried to migrate it to Pharo as Esteban suggests? What is the status? > > Best, > Juraj > >> On 16 Mar 2020, at 11:53, Christian Haider <christian.haider(a)smalltalked-visuals.com <mailto:christian.haider@smalltalked-visuals.com>> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I did one for VisualWorks: https://wiki.pdftalk.de/doku.php?id=rdf <https://wiki.pdftalk.de/doku.php?id=rdf> >> >> Happy hacking, >> Christian >> >> >> Von: Pharo-users <pharo-users-bounces(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org>> Im Auftrag von Juraj Kubelka via Pharo-users >> Gesendet: Montag, 16. MÃ¤rz 2020 13:41 >> An: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org>> >> Cc: Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka(a)icloud.com <mailto:juraj.kubelka@icloud.com>> >> Betreff: [Pharo-users] Any existing RDF implementation in Pharo? > > >

March 17, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] Any existing RDF implementation in Pharo?

by Juraj Kubelka

Hi Christian, thank you for the link to you project? If I understand it well, I need the latest VisualWorks and I find the project in the public store, right? Have you also tried to migrate it to Pharo as Esteban suggests? What is the status? Best, Juraj > On 16 Mar 2020, at 11:53, Christian Haider <christian.haider(a)smalltalked-visuals.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > I did one for VisualWorks: https://wiki.pdftalk.de/doku.php?id=rdf <https://wiki.pdftalk.de/doku.php?id=rdf> > > Happy hacking, > Christian > > > Von: Pharo-users <pharo-users-bounces(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org>> Im Auftrag von Juraj Kubelka via Pharo-users > Gesendet: Montag, 16. MÃ¤rz 2020 13:41 > An: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org>> > Cc: Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka(a)icloud.com <mailto:juraj.kubelka@icloud.com>> > Betreff: [Pharo-users] Any existing RDF implementation in Pharo?

March 17, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] Stale SQLite connection

by Jeff Gray

Hey Vince! Yes it's me. Hope you're well. Those meetings were fun. Shame they petered out, though I now live much further away so I wouldn't be attending anymore. Yep - that lazy eval looks very similar to my code. I think that in general operation, my application would not normally have a problem as the connection won't become stale so for convenience I think I'll set the connection to nil in my start-up script. Thanks guys. -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

March 16, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] [Roassal3 Script of the day] Visualizing Coronavirus official public data

by phil＠highoctane.be

Thx! Some controls in the playground inspector are not reacting, like I and O. Before there were some small controls in it. I can use the scrollwheel but sill wondered. Phil á§ On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 4:03 PM Alexandre Bergel via Pharo-users < pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: > Hola, > > Here is a script, for which I hope some of you will find useful. > The script of today visualize the number of infected and allows for an > easily (and very basic) comparison. First, you need Roassal3 and DataFrame. > Here is the code: > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Metacello new > baseline: 'Roassal3'; > repository: 'github://ObjectProfile/Roassal3'; > load. > Metacello new > baseline: 'DataFrame'; > repository: 'github://PolyMathOrg/DataFrame:v2.0/src'; > load. > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Then, evaluate the Pharo code available on: > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > https://gist.github.com/bergel/6ebcde9696ef922f2b519c56a4520bac > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > > You should then see the following: > > Change the names of the countries to see what you are interested in. > > Stay safe > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > >

March 16, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] [Roassal3 Script of the day] Visualizing Coronavirus official public data

by Alexandre Bergel

The script I provide could be easily wrapped up into some classes. Maybe I will use it for a new tutorial. Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > On 16-03-2020, at 12:38, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Thank you Alexandre, I've been asking myself how to do it in Roassal3 in a better way as you did!! > Cheers, > > HernÃ¡n > > El lun., 16 mar. 2020 a las 12:31, Alexandre Bergel via Pharo-users (<pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org>) escribiÃ³: > Hola, > > Here is a script, for which I hope some of you will find useful. > The script of today visualize the number of infected and allows for an easily (and very basic) comparison. First, you need Roassal3 and DataFrame. Here is the code: > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Metacello new > baseline: 'Roassal3'; > repository: 'github://ObjectProfile/Roassal3'; > load. > Metacello new > baseline: 'DataFrame'; > repository: 'github://PolyMathOrg/DataFrame:v2.0/src'; > load. > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Then, evaluate the Pharo code available on: > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > https://gist.github.com/bergel/6ebcde9696ef922f2b519c56a4520bac > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > > You should then see the following: > <PastedGraphic-6.png> > > Change the names of the countries to see what you are interested in. > > Stay safe > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > >

March 16, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] Corona virus

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Hi Tim, no issues at all! It's important that developers gets and join into this because people in science/bio cannot do everything alone. Cheers, HernÃ¡n El lun., 16 mar. 2020 a las 14:51, Tim Mackinnon (<tim(a)testit.works>) escribiÃ³: > Hi Hernan - I should have been a bit more specific that its your work Iâve > been looking at (I set my task to get a graph for a specific country - and > was able to figure out how to do that reasonably easily but hard coded for > my experiment so far). I now see that Alex has added some thoughts on > Roassal which Iâm keen to look at next. > > Anyway, thanks for doing this and sharing it. > > Tim > > On 16 Mar 2020, at 15:04, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hi Tim, and others > > Some weeks ago I started a GitHub repo for COVID-19 analysis with Pharo : > https://github.com/hernanmd/COVID-2019 > > A good mindset before digging into the massive amount of info is to define > what you can/want to do: > > 1 - In detection & diagnosis (if you understand CRISPR, Nanobiosensors, > Direct Fluorescent Antibodies, RNA Aptamers, you can help now) > 2 - In prevention (doing flyers, visualizations, cards from official > sites: see below) > 3 - In treatment & therapeutics: The calendar for clinical trials is set > and laboratories are working in Drug testing now. If you can discover novel > information (through Deep/Machine-Learning of drugs like Remdesivir, > Tocilizumab, other monoclonal antibodies or anti-virals, immunoglobulins) > it would be an advance. Right now I have some text-mining analysis but I > did it in Python as they have more NLP libraries, but working with lab > notebooks is crashing all the time because of memory issues). > > Feel free to add issues, requests or code. Examples: > > - Some state of the art analysis seem to involve manual processing: > https://github.com/galaxyproject/SARS-CoV-2/tree/master/1-PreProcessing#the… > (this changes because DNA sequences are added as sequencing centers uploads > more) > - From here : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/genbank/sars-cov-2-seqs/ you > can see a list of "SRA sequences". Let me know if you want to address > something with this because NGS analysis is extremely long and sometimes > difficult. My GitHub repository only uses the "Nucleotide sequences". > - Experiment with visualizations with fetch data from ClinicalTrials: > https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=%22wuhan+coronavirus%22 > - Someone working in workflow engine could try to reproduce this > workflow in Pharo : > https://github.com/galaxyproject/SARS-CoV-2/blob/master/1-PreProcessing/pp_… > and this is the list of steps only for pre-processing sequences: > https://usegalaxy.org/u/aun1/w/covid-19-pre-pp > - These guys https://artic.network/rampart work in state of the art > tools for outbreak analysis (called RAMPART in the jargon). This is their > repository for SARS-CoV-2 https://github.com/artic-network/artic-ncov2019 > - And another SOTA https://github.com/blab/sars-like-cov from the guys of > Nextstrain (phylogenetics analysis, have a look at the visualizations). > Metadata from Nextstrain about this strain: > https://github.com/nextstrain/ncov/blob/master/data/metadata.tsv > - For someone working with Roassal this is the visualization > https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/genbank/sars-cov-2-seqs/#reference-genome > most bioinformaticians should start to check (note that is pretty advanced > in features, but it could be rendered by parsing the GFF file > https://ftp.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/genomes/all/GCF/009/858/895/GCF_009858895.2_AS…) > the legends are here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/tools/sviewer/legends/ > and the spec : > https://github.com/The-Sequence-Ontology/Specifications/blob/master/gff3.md > - https://healthsites.io/ has also an API : > https://github.com/healthsites/healthsites/wiki/API which uses OSM > - Reliable information (good sources for making visual alerts) > - https://www.elsevier.com/connect/coronavirus-information-center > - https://novel-coronavirus.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/ > - > https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/clinical-criteria.html?CDC_AA… > - > https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/infection-control/control-recomme… > - https://www.thelancet.com/coronavirus > - https://www.medrxiv.org/content/early/recent > - This is also a good source http://virological.org/ if you'd like to > read what people is missing > > Cheers, > > HernÃ¡n > > > > El lun., 16 mar. 2020 a las 8:36, Tim Mackinnon (<tim(a)testit.works>) > escribiÃ³: > >> Guys - this is very movingâ¦ I have family in Italy and its very worrying >> to hear the accounts, but equally as this spreads wider I worry about >> friends and families here tooâ¦ >> >> This said - on a more proactive front, I did download the Corona GitHub >> pharo project and it has introduced me to the DataFrames implementation >> that Iâve always meant to dig into and I shall learn a bit more Roassal as >> wellâ¦. We must all fight on, and put our energy into the future as well as >> the present! >> >> Tim >> >> > On 16 Mar 2020, at 10:22, dario.trussardi65 < >> dario.trussardi65(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > Ciao, >> > >> >> It's a good article, very deep on knowledge. >> > >> > +1 >> > >> >> (it let arise a question : why, apparently, nearly none of country all >> over the world, had a plan ready to apply ?) >> > >> > I would have many things to say about it, but this is not the >> time ..... >> > >> > I'm not a mathematician, and take everything very carefully. >> > From the data I have available ( reliable?! ) >> > here in Bergamo, Lombardy, the mortality rate is 7 >> percent. >> > >> > Out of 100 people who contract the virus, 7 die .... >> > >> > but nobody says ... >> > >> > Often sun in the hospital .... >> > >> > It also seems that the age of people in serious situations is >> decreasing ... 50 ---- 65. >> > >> > So not only grandparents but also fathers and mothers ... >> > >> > Fortunately, I'm fine ..... but I can't work anymore .... >> > >> > I can no longer think ...... of smalltalk ..... >> > >> > Here in Clusone only 2 noises are heard: >> > * that of the sirens of ambulances, >> > * and that of the bells of the cemetery where, without a >> funeral, we bury our loved ones .... >> > >> > Be very careful ... >> > >> > Ciao, >> > >> > Bergamo #molamia >> > >> > Dario >> > >> >> >> >> Bye, >> >> >> >> Davide >> >> >> >> On 15/03/2020 14:34, Ben Coman wrote: >> >>> Of all the articles I've read on the coronavirus, this is the first I >> felt worth sharing. >> >>> >> https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d… >> I've been a bit complacent about the advantage of living in Australia in a >> small town outside Perth (one of the most remote capital cities in the >> world) >> >>> but Section 3 on improving mortality rates by reducing the peak on >> the health system is compelling for everyone to know. >> >>> cheers -ben >> >>> On Sun, 15 Mar 2020 at 01:15, Davide Grandi <davide.grandi(a)email.it >> <mailto:davide.grandi@email.it>> wrote: >> >>> That's true, >> >>> and it will be a worldwide pandemia. >> >>> Try to work @ home, >> >>> limit contacts with other people, >> >>> don't go in crowded places, >> >>> and PROTECT YOUR PARENTS - GRANDPARENTS. >> >>> The local newsmagazine of Dario's town, few km from mine, >> >>> has normally ONE page of obituary. >> >>> Yesterday ... TEN pages. >> >>> bye, >> >>> Davide >> >>> On 14/03/2020 14:52, dario.trussardi65 wrote: >> >>>> Ciao, >> >>>> be very careful ... it's very dangerous ... >> >>>> here in Bergamo it's a disaster. >> >>>> We are losing our grandparents like leaves falling from the tree .... >> >>>> Take all precautions .... Don't underestimate the situation..... >> >>>> See you soon.... >> >>>> Dario >> >>> -- Ing. Davide Grandi >> >>> email : davide.grandi(a)email.it <mailto:davide.grandi@email.it> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >

March 16, 2020