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Re: [Pharo-users] Resources Page

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 10:26 PM Richard Sargent < richard.sargent(a)gemtalksystems.com> wrote: > Thanks. > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 17:21 horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Done. I didn't realize there was a free license for GemStone/S. >> >> Too bad VA Smalltalk doesn't offer a free license. >> > > I believe they do. > > Yes we do. I would say there are 3 main entry points to using VAST. We have an *evaluation version* that is intended for those folks or enterprises interested in the platform and our professional services for their commercial needs. The second two entry points are more a measure of goodwill and community investment. They don't tend to impact our commercial business model favorably or unfavorably, but we are glad to participate. Those are *academic licenses*, available to professors and their students. We also offer, or sometimes donate, *open-source licenses* of VAST to students, attendees of our technical workshops or folks that give their time to community involvement. And this is not something new: it's there in our websites since a long time: https://www.instantiations.com/products/academic-license-program.html https://www.instantiations.com/company/open-source.html Hope this clarifies. -- Mariano Martinez Peck Email: marianopeck(a)gmail.com Twitter: @MartinezPeck LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/mariano-martinez-peck <https://www.linkedin.com/in/mariano-mart%C3%ADnez-peck/> Blog: https://marianopeck.wordpress.com/

Jan. 29, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] Resources Page

by horrido

If someone can confirm that this is still true, I'll update the Resources Page. Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list wrote > I don't know if it's still the case but "trial version" for VAST, in the > past, only meant that you could use the product forever but you didn't > have the possibility to create an executable iirc. > > On 2020-01-28 20:37, horrido wrote: >> I never consider a trial version as a free product. As far as I'm >> considered, >> it's only free (or Community Edition) if I can use it indefinitely. >> >> >> >> Dale Henrichs-3 wrote >>> I think the free license is contingent upon having contributed to an >>> open source project. Also there appears to be free trial version[1]. >>> >>> Dale >>> >>> [1] https://www.instantiations.com/products/vasmalltalk/download.html >>> >>> On 1/28/20 5:25 PM, Richard Sargent wrote: >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 17:21 horrido < >>> horrido.hobbies@ >>> >>> > <mailto: >>> horrido.hobbies@ >>> >> wrote: >>>> Done. I didn't realize there was a free license for GemStone/S. >>>> >>>> Too bad VA Smalltalk doesn't offer a free license. >>>> >>>> >>>> I believe they do. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Richard Sargent (again) wrote >>>> > Thank you, Richard. >>>> > >>>> > Would you be kind enough to annotate the GemStone link to point >>>> out that >>>> > we have a free license that permits commercial use, not only >>>> personal use. >>>> > >>>> > Thanks again for all your hard work! >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On January 28, 2020 2:24:16 PM PST, Richard Kenneth Eng < >>>> >>>> > horrido.hobbies@ >>>> >>>> > > wrote: >>>> >>I've added a Resources page to my new blog: >>>> >>https://smalltalk.tech.blog/resources/. >>>> >> >>>> >>It is very much a *curated *list. I felt this was needed because >>>> when I >>>> >>visit other Smalltalk resources pages, I get overwhelmed by the >>>> number >>>> >>of >>>> >>links and options. It is possible to have *too many* choices. >>>> >> >>>> >>Moreover, many of those links are either broken, or they point >>>> to >>>> >>obscure >>>> >>materials that people may not be interested in. >>>> >> >>>> >>As curator, it is my job to present those links that I believe >>>> will be >>>> >>useful. Of course, this is necessarily very subjective. >>>> >> >>>> >>Also, it is likely that I've overlooked some links that others >>>> feel are >>>> >>useful. However, I am open-minded. If there are Smalltalk links >>>> that >>>> >>you >>>> >>believe I should consider, please let me know. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sent from: >>>> http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >>>> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >> > -- > ----------------- > BenoÃ®t St-Jean > Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean > Twitter: @BenLeChialeux > Pinterest: benoitstjean > Instagram: Chef_Benito > IRC: lamneth > GitHub: bstjean > Blogue: endormitoire.wordpress.com > "A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero". (A. Einstein) -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Jan. 29, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] Resources Page

by Benoit St-Jean

I don't know if it's still the case but "trial version" for VAST, in the past, only meant that you could use the product forever but you didn't have the possibility to create an executable iirc. On 2020-01-28 20:37, horrido wrote: > I never consider a trial version as a free product. As far as I'm considered, > it's only free (or Community Edition) if I can use it indefinitely. > > > > Dale Henrichs-3 wrote >> I think the free license is contingent upon having contributed to an >> open source project. Also there appears to be free trial version[1]. >> >> Dale >> >> [1] https://www.instantiations.com/products/vasmalltalk/download.html >> >> On 1/28/20 5:25 PM, Richard Sargent wrote: >>> Thanks. >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 17:21 horrido < >> horrido.hobbies@ >> >> > <mailto: >> horrido.hobbies@ >> >> wrote: >>> Done. I didn't realize there was a free license for GemStone/S. >>> >>> Too bad VA Smalltalk doesn't offer a free license. >>> >>> >>> I believe they do. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard Sargent (again) wrote >>> > Thank you, Richard. >>> > >>> > Would you be kind enough to annotate the GemStone link to point >>> out that >>> > we have a free license that permits commercial use, not only >>> personal use. >>> > >>> > Thanks again for all your hard work! >>> > >>> > >>> > On January 28, 2020 2:24:16 PM PST, Richard Kenneth Eng < >>> >>> > horrido.hobbies@ >>> >>> > > wrote: >>> >>I've added a Resources page to my new blog: >>> >>https://smalltalk.tech.blog/resources/. >>> >> >>> >>It is very much a *curated *list. I felt this was needed because >>> when I >>> >>visit other Smalltalk resources pages, I get overwhelmed by the >>> number >>> >>of >>> >>links and options. It is possible to have *too many* choices. >>> >> >>> >>Moreover, many of those links are either broken, or they point to >>> >>obscure >>> >>materials that people may not be interested in. >>> >> >>> >>As curator, it is my job to present those links that I believe >>> will be >>> >>useful. Of course, this is necessarily very subjective. >>> >> >>> >>Also, it is likely that I've overlooked some links that others >>> feel are >>> >>useful. However, I am open-minded. If there are Smalltalk links >>> that >>> >>you >>> >>believe I should consider, please let me know. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >>> > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html > -- ----------------- BenoÃ®t St-Jean Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean Twitter: @BenLeChialeux Pinterest: benoitstjean Instagram: Chef_Benito IRC: lamneth GitHub: bstjean Blogue: endormitoire.wordpress.com "A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero". (A. Einstein)

Jan. 29, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] Resources Page

by horrido

I never consider a trial version as a free product. As far as I'm considered, it's only free (or Community Edition) if I can use it indefinitely. Dale Henrichs-3 wrote > I think the free license is contingent upon having contributed to an > open source project. Also there appears to be free trial version[1]. > > Dale > > [1] https://www.instantiations.com/products/vasmalltalk/download.html > > On 1/28/20 5:25 PM, Richard Sargent wrote: >> Thanks. >> >> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 17:21 horrido < > horrido.hobbies@ > > > <mailto: > horrido.hobbies@ > >> wrote: >> >> Done. I didn't realize there was a free license for GemStone/S. >> >> Too bad VA Smalltalk doesn't offer a free license. >> >> >> I believe they do. >> >> >> >> >> >> Richard Sargent (again) wrote >> > Thank you, Richard. >> > >> > Would you be kind enough to annotate the GemStone link to point >> out that >> > we have a free license that permits commercial use, not only >> personal use. >> > >> > Thanks again for all your hard work! >> > >> > >> > On January 28, 2020 2:24:16 PM PST, Richard Kenneth Eng < >> >> > horrido.hobbies@ >> >> > > wrote: >> >>I've added a Resources page to my new blog: >> >>https://smalltalk.tech.blog/resources/. >> >> >> >>It is very much a *curated *list. I felt this was needed because >> when I >> >>visit other Smalltalk resources pages, I get overwhelmed by the >> number >> >>of >> >>links and options. It is possible to have *too many* choices. >> >> >> >>Moreover, many of those links are either broken, or they point to >> >>obscure >> >>materials that people may not be interested in. >> >> >> >>As curator, it is my job to present those links that I believe >> will be >> >>useful. Of course, this is necessarily very subjective. >> >> >> >>Also, it is likely that I've overlooked some links that others >> feel are >> >>useful. However, I am open-minded. If there are Smalltalk links >> that >> >>you >> >>believe I should consider, please let me know. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >> -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Jan. 29, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] Resources Page

by Dale Henrichs

I think the free license is contingent upon having contributed to an open source project. Also there appears to be free trial version[1]. Dale [1] https://www.instantiations.com/products/vasmalltalk/download.html On 1/28/20 5:25 PM, Richard Sargent wrote: > Thanks. > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 17:21 horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com > <mailto:horrido.hobbies@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Done. I didn't realize there was a free license for GemStone/S. > > Too bad VA Smalltalk doesn't offer a free license. > > > I believe they do. > > > > > > Richard Sargent (again) wrote > > Thank you, Richard. > > > > Would you be kind enough to annotate the GemStone link to point > out that > > we have a free license that permits commercial use, not only > personal use. > > > > Thanks again for all your hard work! > > > > > > On January 28, 2020 2:24:16 PM PST, Richard Kenneth Eng < > > > horrido.hobbies@ > > > > wrote: > >>I've added a Resources page to my new blog: > >>https://smalltalk.tech.blog/resources/. > >> > >>It is very much a *curated *list. I felt this was needed because > when I > >>visit other Smalltalk resources pages, I get overwhelmed by the > number > >>of > >>links and options. It is possible to have *too many* choices. > >> > >>Moreover, many of those links are either broken, or they point to > >>obscure > >>materials that people may not be interested in. > >> > >>As curator, it is my job to present those links that I believe > will be > >>useful. Of course, this is necessarily very subjective. > >> > >>Also, it is likely that I've overlooked some links that others > feel are > >>useful. However, I am open-minded. If there are Smalltalk links that > >>you > >>believe I should consider, please let me know. > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >

Jan. 29, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] Resources Page

by Richard Sargent

Thanks. On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 17:21 horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Done. I didn't realize there was a free license for GemStone/S. > > Too bad VA Smalltalk doesn't offer a free license. > I believe they do. > > > Richard Sargent (again) wrote > > Thank you, Richard. > > > > Would you be kind enough to annotate the GemStone link to point out that > > we have a free license that permits commercial use, not only personal > use. > > > > Thanks again for all your hard work! > > > > > > On January 28, 2020 2:24:16 PM PST, Richard Kenneth Eng < > > > horrido.hobbies@ > > > > wrote: > >>I've added a Resources page to my new blog: > >>https://smalltalk.tech.blog/resources/. > >> > >>It is very much a *curated *list. I felt this was needed because when I > >>visit other Smalltalk resources pages, I get overwhelmed by the number > >>of > >>links and options. It is possible to have *too many* choices. > >> > >>Moreover, many of those links are either broken, or they point to > >>obscure > >>materials that people may not be interested in. > >> > >>As curator, it is my job to present those links that I believe will be > >>useful. Of course, this is necessarily very subjective. > >> > >>Also, it is likely that I've overlooked some links that others feel are > >>useful. However, I am open-minded. If there are Smalltalk links that > >>you > >>believe I should consider, please let me know. > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html > >

Jan. 29, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] Resources Page

by horrido

Done. I didn't realize there was a free license for GemStone/S. Too bad VA Smalltalk doesn't offer a free license. Richard Sargent (again) wrote > Thank you, Richard. > > Would you be kind enough to annotate the GemStone link to point out that > we have a free license that permits commercial use, not only personal use. > > Thanks again for all your hard work! > > > On January 28, 2020 2:24:16 PM PST, Richard Kenneth Eng < > horrido.hobbies@ > > wrote: >>I've added a Resources page to my new blog: >>https://smalltalk.tech.blog/resources/. >> >>It is very much a *curated *list. I felt this was needed because when I >>visit other Smalltalk resources pages, I get overwhelmed by the number >>of >>links and options. It is possible to have *too many* choices. >> >>Moreover, many of those links are either broken, or they point to >>obscure >>materials that people may not be interested in. >> >>As curator, it is my job to present those links that I believe will be >>useful. Of course, this is necessarily very subjective. >> >>Also, it is likely that I've overlooked some links that others feel are >>useful. However, I am open-minded. If there are Smalltalk links that >>you >>believe I should consider, please let me know. -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Jan. 29, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] Resources Page

by horrido

tbrunz wrote > Very good, Richard -- this is helpful, and is a great page to refer people > to. > > The image(?) under "Miscellaneous" is broken (at least in my browser; the > other links all work.) Fixed. Thanks. > You might consider adding a link to "A Terse Guide to Pharo", > https://gist.github.com/jdevoo/8e8866cd6087e05790841d0f20b2e377 Learn Smalltalk in Y Minutes <https://learnxinyminutes.com/docs/smalltalk/> has nearly identical contents and I cited it in the Smalltalk Resources section. > Another thing to consider is a section (or page) for Smalltalk demos > (postings that demonstrate Smalltalk strengths and attractive aspects); > you > already have one, "Seven minutes of Pharo for Rubyists". There are many > more... Perhaps you can provide a few more examples? Thanks. -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Jan. 29, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] Resources Page

by tbrunz

Very good, Richard -- this is helpful, and is a great page to refer people to. The image(?) under "Miscellaneous" is broken (at least in my browser; the other links all work.) You might consider adding a link to "A Terse Guide to Pharo", https://gist.github.com/jdevoo/8e8866cd6087e05790841d0f20b2e377 Another thing to consider is a section (or page) for Smalltalk demos (postings that demonstrate Smalltalk strengths and attractive aspects); you already have one, "Seven minutes of Pharo for Rubyists". There are many more... -t -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Jan. 29, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] Resources Page

by Richard Sargent

Thank you, Richard. Would you be kind enough to annotate the GemStone link to point out that we have a free license that permits commercial use, not only personal use. Thanks again for all your hard work! On January 28, 2020 2:24:16 PM PST, Richard Kenneth Eng <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: >I've added a Resources page to my new blog: >https://smalltalk.tech.blog/resources/. > >It is very much a *curated *list. I felt this was needed because when I >visit other Smalltalk resources pages, I get overwhelmed by the number >of >links and options. It is possible to have *too many* choices. > >Moreover, many of those links are either broken, or they point to >obscure >materials that people may not be interested in. > >As curator, it is my job to present those links that I believe will be >useful. Of course, this is necessarily very subjective. > >Also, it is likely that I've overlooked some links that others feel are >useful. However, I am open-minded. If there are Smalltalk links that >you >believe I should consider, please let me know.

Jan. 29, 2020