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Re: [Pharo-users] R: Smalltalk: Itâs Not Your Grandfatherâs Programming Language

by Richard Sargent

On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 12:18 PM horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks! > > I have a question for everyone. Someone has taken me to task for being > "sexist". He says I should refer to "grandparent" instead of "grandfather". > > I'd like to ask for your opinion. Would "grandparent" sound better in my > article? Imagine replacing all instances of "grandfather" with > "grandparent". Would it have the same impact? > Arguably, it is sexist. But, I think it is also accurate. I am guessing that better than 99% of grandparents driving Maserattis are or were male. I think we sometimes rely on dogma rather than reason. Still, it is worth being aware of the word choices you make and whether they may be inappropriate for the circumstances. > Thanks. > > > > Lorenzo wrote > > Great work Rich!!!! > > > > > > > > My best compliments. > > > > > > > > Lorenzo > > > > > > > > Da: Pharo-users [mailto: > > > pharo-users-bounces@.pharo > > > ] Per conto di Richard Kenneth Eng > > Inviato: lunedÃ¬ 6 gennaio 2020 19:07 > > A: > > > pharo-users@.pharo > > > Oggetto: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk: Itâs Not Your Grandfatherâs Programming > > Language > > > > > > > > > https://levelup.gitconnected.com/smalltalk-its-not-your-grandfather-s-progr… > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html > >

Jan. 6, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] R: Smalltalk: Itâs Not Your Grandfatherâs Programming Language

by tbrunz

I would probably use "grandparents'" as in "not your grandparents' programming language". -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Jan. 6, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] Prof Stef questions

by xap

Hmm, just where are these prof stef Gedankenexperiments :-? I didn't see 'em in the syntax tutorial proper. Thx for the tiny-is-beautiful article. I didn't have any moment of satori, but am happy to have found a prolific author (in addition to Richard-evangelist) About not feeling extra-illuminated ... perhaps it comes from my stance that once one lays down the ground rules that everything is an object, and that objects inherit, and get work done by doing it themselves or by delegating it, then, say, much of Boolean's implementation shakes out of that, no? (that's rhetorical) For me the value in the pharo Boolean implementation is notsomuch who passes the buck and who ultimately does what, but the synergy among objects and methods that get all this done. (BTW I'll bet the fait accompli synergy we see in today's source didn't start out that way -- there were likely many prosaic versions along the way to getting there, if not on paper then in somebody's mind. Often I find that process MUCH more valuable than the spit-and-polish of a finished product.) Recursion often has me laugh because it seems "nobody does any work" -- dang near everything is delegated elsewhere, and it's just a few base cases that actually do any heavy lifting. I'm being facetious, of course. To me interconnected object systems are often like that, and multiplied many times over -- any bit of work is delegated here, there, everywhere ... and (for me) this federated work disperses logic and makes it less immediately comprehensible. There's definitely gee-whiz appeal to the synergy of a multitude of objects in a loosely-coupled system, and IMO that appeal is valuable (which echoes the ethos of the tiny/beautiful article), but ... anyway, yeah, part of my reason for this foray into smalltalk is to see how that side lives. TLDR: the above is just my thinking out loud, possibly for a future-me to find; i have no questions; pls ignore :-) -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Jan. 6, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk: Itâs Not Your Grandfatherâs Programming Language

by horrido

The problem is that the underlying premise of my article would be undermined. Our grandparents had nothing like the Tesla. I used Maserati because it's an /aspirational/ car. Not practical. Not cheap. But droolworthy. Nobody dreams of owning a Tesla. But Maserati? Bugatti? Porsche? Aston Martin? You bet! tbrunz wrote > Richard! Smalltalk is /the electric car of development systems/! > > You need to lead with an image of a *Tesla Model S*, not a Maserati! > > What do most people associate with Italian sports cars? Expensive, > impractical, temperamental, always in need of (expensive) maintenance, > etc. > > Smalltalk is none of these things... Inexpensive, more practical than > most > people imagine, robust and resilient, minimal maintenance, etc. It's more > like a trusty sports utility vehicle -- so maybe an image of a Tesla Model > X > (or Y) fits even better. > > Another way Smalltalk is like an e-car: Electric cars extremely popular > when > automobiles were new, fell out of favor, are today misunderstood by the > majority, but are being "rediscovered" and found to better in almost every > way compared to "what's popular" (ICE vehicles). Those who drive them > just > LOVE them, and so the stage is set for the rEVolution: the renaissance of > electric cars. > > And so it is for Smalltalk. > > tl;dr: Smalltalk:e-cars::Pharo:Tesla > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Jan. 6, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] R: Smalltalk: Itâs Not Your Grandfatherâs Programming Language

by horrido

Thanks! I have a question for everyone. Someone has taken me to task for being "sexist". He says I should refer to "grandparent" instead of "grandfather". I'd like to ask for your opinion. Would "grandparent" sound better in my article? Imagine replacing all instances of "grandfather" with "grandparent". Would it have the same impact? Thanks. Lorenzo wrote > Great work Rich!!!! > > > > My best compliments. > > > > Lorenzo > > > > Da: Pharo-users [mailto: > pharo-users-bounces@.pharo > ] Per conto di Richard Kenneth Eng > Inviato: lunedÃ¬ 6 gennaio 2020 19:07 > A: > pharo-users@.pharo > Oggetto: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk: Itâs Not Your Grandfatherâs Programming > Language > > > > https://levelup.gitconnected.com/smalltalk-its-not-your-grandfather-s-progr… -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Jan. 6, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk: Itâs Not Your Grandfatherâs Programming Language

by tbrunz

Richard! Smalltalk is /the electric car of development systems/! You need to lead with an image of a *Tesla Model S*, not a Maserati! What do most people associate with Italian sports cars? Expensive, impractical, temperamental, always in need of (expensive) maintenance, etc. Smalltalk is none of these things... Inexpensive, more practical than most people imagine, robust and resilient, minimal maintenance, etc. It's more like a trusty sports utility vehicle -- so maybe an image of a Tesla Model X (or Y) fits even better. Another way Smalltalk is like an e-car: Electric cars extremely popular when automobiles were new, fell out of favor, are today misunderstood by the majority, but are being "rediscovered" and found to better in almost every way compared to "what's popular" (ICE vehicles). Those who drive them just LOVE them, and so the stage is set for the rEVolution: the renaissance of electric cars. And so it is for Smalltalk. tl;dr: Smalltalk:e-cars::Pharo:Tesla -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Jan. 6, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] [seaside] how can I now make the best work to display all the paiintings which are in the paintings collection

by Paul DeBruicker

Also this tutorial gives a good overview of Seaside programming and is different enough from the book that you get two approaches to many of the same problems: http://seaside.gemtalksystems.com/tutorial.html Paul DeBruicker wrote > Hi Roelof, > > There is a seaside specific mailing list you could join here: > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > > I have Seaside loaded in an image and can't find the ListComponent class. > IS that the correct name for the class you're using? > > > If you post your question along with the code you are trying to the > Seaside > list someone will probably be able to help you. What you're describing > sounds straightforward to implement. > > > > Good luck > > Paul > > > Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list wrote >> Hello, >> >> Im a little bit further on my first project but now I fail to see how I >> can use the ListComponent to display all the paintings that are in the >> paintings collection on the Paintings class. >> >> Anyone who can give me hints on this ? >> >> Roelof > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Jan. 6, 2020

Re: [Pharo-users] [seaside] how can I now make the best work to display all the paiintings which are in the paintings collection

by Paul DeBruicker

Hi Roelof, There is a seaside specific mailing list you could join here: http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside I have Seaside loaded in an image and can't find the ListComponent class. IS that the correct name for the class you're using? If you post your question along with the code you are trying to the Seaside list someone will probably be able to help you. What you're describing sounds straightforward to implement. Good luck Paul Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list wrote > Hello, > > Im a little bit further on my first project but now I fail to see how I > can use the ListComponent to display all the paintings that are in the > paintings collection on the Paintings class. > > Anyone who can give me hints on this ? > > Roelof -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Jan. 6, 2020

R: Smalltalk: Itâs Not Your Grandfatherâs Programming Language

by Lorenzo

Great work Rich!!!! My best compliments. Lorenzo Da: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org] Per conto di Richard Kenneth Eng Inviato: lunedÃ¬ 6 gennaio 2020 19:07 A: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org Oggetto: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk: Itâs Not Your Grandfatherâs Programming Language https://levelup.gitconnected.com/smalltalk-its-not-your-grandfather-s-progr…

Jan. 6, 2020

Smalltalk: Itâs Not Your Grandfatherâs Programming Language

by Richard Kenneth Eng

https://levelup.gitconnected.com/smalltalk-its-not-your-grandfather-s-progr…

Jan. 6, 2020