September 2019 - Pharo-users

Difficulty to use Iceberg

by Brainstorms

Jan Vrany <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hi, > > I'm experiencing difficulties (code loss, even) when trying to > commit code using Iceberg. > > I have a project with consist of some Pharo code and some > C++ code. Both parts kind of depend on each other. >... > Any suggestions? Would "git worktree add" solve your problem? This allows you to create multiple working trees that are all associated with the same repository. I expect it would allow Pharo to interact with the original working copy while providing a second working directory for your C++ co-development, but without the need to clone an additional working copy. -Ted -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Sept. 24, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] Reminder: Smalltalk Webcamp, 22nd of October

by Esteban Maringolo

Hi, I'll arrive to Ghent by train on Monday afternoon, and will likely wander around the city/museum and/or any other point of interest. I still haven't booked any lodging, and will likely go for a simple bed & breakfast since I plan to be outside as much as possible (if weather enables it). Regards, Esteban A. Maringolo On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 12:00 PM Craig Latta <craig(a)blackpagedigital.com> wrote: > > Hi Johan-- > > Looking forward to it! > > > -C > > *** > > On 23/9/19 19:57, Johan Brichau wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Are you doing Web development with Smalltalk? Then this meeting is for > you. > > We organise an informal meetup on Smalltalk Web Technologies at the > > Yesplan offices. > > > > =============================================== > > Smalltalk WebCamp > > --------------------------- > > Date: Tuesday October 22nd, 2019 (9h30 -> 18h00) > > Location: Yesplan offices in Gent, Belgium. (www.yesplan.be > > <http://www.yesplan.be/>) > > =============================================== > > > > This is an un-conference: everyone is invited to actively participate by > > presenting their project. > > Come and share your web development experience with Smalltalk. > > Wether you are doing Seaside, Teapot, PharoJS, Amber, SqueakJs, Zinc > > REST, â¦ or anything else that involves Smalltalk and web technologies: > > come and share your experience! > > > > We provide ample time to discuss and collaborate on topics, meet people > > and have a beer in the evening. > > > > Attendance is free, but please register before October 15th if you are > > attending, so we can plan accordingly. > > Registration > > link: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/smalltalk-webcamp-tickets-69185265993 > > > > At this time, there are 9 participants, excluding the Yesplan team. > > > > Questions? Please send me an email. > > > > Best regards > > Johan Brichau > > johan(a)yesplan.be <mailto:johan@yesplan.be> > > -- > Craig Latta > Black Page Digital > Amsterdam :: San Francisco > craig(a)blackpagedigital.com > +31 6 2757 7177 > + 1 415 287 3547 > >

Sept. 24, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] Reminder: Smalltalk Webcamp, 22nd of October

by Craig Latta

Hi Johan-- Looking forward to it! -C *** On 23/9/19 19:57, Johan Brichau wrote: > Hi, > > Are you doing Web development with Smalltalk? Then this meeting is for you. > We organise an informal meetup on Smalltalk Web Technologies at the > Yesplan offices. > > =============================================== > Smalltalk WebCamp > --------------------------- > Date: Tuesday October 22nd, 2019 (9h30 -> 18h00) > Location: Yesplan offices in Gent, Belgium. (www.yesplan.be > <http://www.yesplan.be/>) > =============================================== > > This is an un-conference: everyone is invited to actively participate by > presenting their project. > Come and share your web development experience with Smalltalk. > Wether you are doing Seaside, Teapot, PharoJS, Amber, SqueakJs, Zinc > REST, â¦ or anything else that involves Smalltalk and web technologies: > come and share your experience! > > We provide ample time to discuss and collaborate on topics, meet people > and have a beer in the evening. > > Attendance is free, but please register before October 15th if you are > attending, so we can plan accordingly. > Registration > link: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/smalltalk-webcamp-tickets-69185265993 > > At this time, there are 9 participants, excluding the Yesplan team. > > Questions? Please send me an email. > > Best regards > Johan Brichau > johan(a)yesplan.be <mailto:johan@yesplan.be> -- Craig Latta Black Page Digital Amsterdam :: San Francisco craig(a)blackpagedigital.com +31 6 2757 7177 + 1 415 287 3547

Sept. 24, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

I'll leave some research links that show a critical approach on how technology can be used for discrimination and to create discriminatory environments, even in places where technology is created: * http://codingplaces.net/ * https://bookbook.pubpub.org/data-feminism * https://data-activism.net/ But of course a proper discussion goes beyond links, providing numbers or short answers. Showing discrimination at airports is not a casual link to show discrimination on this community, but the fact that code is not created "ex nihilo" as the previous links show and recognizing that is important. A CoC accounts for that. But I think that the thread is becoming to long and noisy. So Peter, Richard and Steve and anyone else intereste, let's discuss this elsewhere. I will not answer more on this list, except to provide a place where discussion can happen in a deeper context without polluting the main mailing list. Cheers, Offray On 23/09/19 10:24 p.Â m., Richard O'Keefe wrote: > Let's look at some official numbers. > > Looking at https://www.hesa.ac.uk/news/11-01-2018/sfr247-higher-education-student-stat… > we see that overall, female graduates outnumbered male graduates about > 4 to 3 in each of the three years > recorded. The imbalance in science graduates was less, but it was > still consistently women significantly > outnumbering men. Computer science stood out as consistently about 4 > men to 1 woman, and Computer > Science departments are tying themselves into knots trying to figure > out what to do about it. Meanwhile, > nobody worries that "subjects allied to medicine" was about 4 women to 1 man. > > If there are models explaining that "colleges" are set up to favour > white males, why are women succeeding > so much more than men? > > In my own country, ten years ago the main newspaper ran an article > pointing out that "Two-thirds of bachelor > degrees last year went to women, the highest figure on record" and > that "Women have outnumbered men > in the tertiary sector for more than a decade", blaming "a secondary > school system which may discourage > or poorly prepare boys for further learning". > > Look now at Canada. > https://www.conferenceboard.ca/hcp/Details/education/gender-gap-tertiary.as… > tells us that "Canadian women aged 25 to 64 are 17 per cent more > likely than Canadian men to have a tertiary education. > The imbalance in educational attainment between Canadian men and women > has increased over the past decade, > raising questions about whether higher education in Canada is becoming > less hospitable to male learners." This is not new. > "the overall gender imbalance tipped in womenâs favour in Canada in > the early 1990s. ... > Many are asking whether there is a 'boy crisis' in education and > wondering what can be done to address it. In fact, a > growing 'boy gap' in education can be seen across OECD countries, with > the problem beginning long before students > reach post-secondary age. According to a recent report, 'boys, as a > group, rank behind girls by nearly every measure > of scholastic achievement'âincluding reading and writing scoresâand > they are 'also more likely to be picked out for > behavioural problems, more likely to repeat a grade and to drop out of > school altogether.â "when we examine th > more recent cohort of graduatesâthose aged 25 to 34ânearly every > country has a gender imbalance that favours > women. In most cases, moreover, womenâs advantage has become much more > pronounced." > > So models that explain why colleges favour white males are rather like > models that explain why the sun is dark. > If "colleges" are set up to favour white males, they are doing a > catastrophically bad job of it. So much so that I > have been glad I have daughters, not sons. > > If you want to say that Computer Science numbers are due to some sort > of discriminatory environment rather than > preference, then you have to explain the equally large imbalance the > other way in "medicine-related subjects" as > discrimination rather than preference. > > > On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 at 02:39, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: >> Steve Quezadas <steveeq1(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Your interpreting this information with a SJW lens. >> SJW is a political construct from the extreme right. As a straight white >> male from Western Europe I have seen enough discriminatory practices >> applied to less privileged friends to know there is a problem. And as I can >> afford to speak up, I do. >> >>> Look at the low proportion of blacks and women who >>> apply for CS majors in college. Are you going to say that colleges are >>> using discriminatory practices to keep blacks and women from taking CS >>> classes? >> Yes, the colleges are set up to make it easier for white males to succeed. >> There are enough models explaining why that happens >> >>> Maybe the bulk of the low recruitment statistics is simply due to >>> non-interest within that sub-culture. >> Back to identity politics? >> >> Stephan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

Sept. 24, 2019

Pharo 8 and Teapot

by sergio ruiz

Just checking in on this. I started up a REST API project in Pharo 8. I thought I read somewhere that Teapot was failing tests in Pharo 8. I fired it up, and put together the beginnings of the project, and it looks fine. All tests pass. There was one SSL test that was not running in 7 either, but Iâll take a look at that when I get a chance. Thanks! ---- peace, sergio photographer, journalist, visionary Public Key: http://bit.ly/29z9fG0 #BitMessage BM-NBaswViL21xqgg9STRJjaJaUoyiNe2dV @sergio_101@mastodon.social https://sergio101.com http://www.codeandmusic.com http://www.twitter.com/sergio_101 http://www.facebook.com/sergio101

Sept. 24, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

by PBKResearch

These discussions are interesting, but they have nothing to do with Pharo â Iâm surprised we have not had a moderator intervening to say they are off-topic and political. The subject line says âCode of Conductâ, meaning the proposed Pharo Code of Conduct, so please can we keep the discussion about conduct in the Pharo community. Offray complains that he has encountered discriminatory behaviour on account of his identity, specifically in immigration contexts. I can assure him he is not the only one. I have gone through US immigration with a British passport; I have met long waiting times and obvious suspicion from the officers â and US and UK are supposed to be close allies. But I accept that there is discrimination in the world; my question to Offray is: have you encountered discrimination, harassment or any other unpleasant behaviour on account of your identity in the Pharo community? My impression is that you had helpful answers to all your questions as you learned Pharo and developed Grafoscopio; the only way your identity came into the matter was when people thought: âOh, so Pharo is being used in Colombia â thatâs interesting.â My observation suggests that is typical of the community. We are all human, so we are all sinners (thatâs what a Catholic education does for you), but I think the community is as inclusive, diverse and respectful as you can expect any human organisation to be. This is one of my objections to having a code at all â the implication that we need an explicit code to continue to behave decently. In his post announcing the new code of conduct, Esteban Lorenzano said: ââ¦we have decided to retract the code. But sadly, we cannot just remove it and let things continue as beforeâ¦â. Well, I too think itâs sad, but I donât see why we cannot continue as before. What specifically would go wrong if we just canned it? In the past we had what Sven called âimplicit rules of engagementâ, and if problems arose â about once every five years â the board worked it out ad hoc. This left the board as âbenevolent dictatorsâ, but we trusted them. Please could someone explain why the board chose to do this. I simply do not understand Estebanâs âbigger can of wormsâ metaphor. Is there some external pressure which is compelling the board to have a code? Peter Kenny From: Pharo-users <pharo-users-bounces(a)lists.pharo.org> On Behalf Of Steve Quezadas Sent: 24 September 2019 04:32 To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct Thank you for that well-stated argument. I agree, offray's argument is silly. It's like saying that there aren't many male kindergarten teachers and that this is evidence that the school system is "sexist". - Steve PS Can we please just kill the CoC it's making this maillist political. On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 8:25 PM Richard O'Keefe <raoknz(a)gmail.com <mailto:raoknz@gmail.com> > wrote: Let's look at some official numbers. Looking at https://www.hesa.ac.uk/news/11-01-2018/sfr247-higher-education-student-stat… we see that overall, female graduates outnumbered male graduates about 4 to 3 in each of the three years recorded. The imbalance in science graduates was less, but it was still consistently women significantly outnumbering men. Computer science stood out as consistently about 4 men to 1 woman, and Computer Science departments are tying themselves into knots trying to figure out what to do about it. Meanwhile, nobody worries that "subjects allied to medicine" was about 4 women to 1 man. If there are models explaining that "colleges" are set up to favour white males, why are women succeeding so much more than men? In my own country, ten years ago the main newspaper ran an article pointing out that "Two-thirds of bachelor degrees last year went to women, the highest figure on record" and that "Women have outnumbered men in the tertiary sector for more than a decade", blaming "a secondary school system which may discourage or poorly prepare boys for further learning". Look now at Canada. https://www.conferenceboard.ca/hcp/Details/education/gender-gap-tertiary.as… tells us that "Canadian women aged 25 to 64 are 17 per cent more likely than Canadian men to have a tertiary education. The imbalance in educational attainment between Canadian men and women has increased over the past decade, raising questions about whether higher education in Canada is becoming less hospitable to male learners." This is not new. "the overall gender imbalance tipped in womenâs favour in Canada in the early 1990s. ... Many are asking whether there is a 'boy crisis' in education and wondering what can be done to address it. In fact, a growing 'boy gap' in education can be seen across OECD countries, with the problem beginning long before students reach post-secondary age. According to a recent report, 'boys, as a group, rank behind girls by nearly every measure of scholastic achievement'âincluding reading and writing scoresâand they are 'also more likely to be picked out for behavioural problems, more likely to repeat a grade and to drop out of school altogether.â "when we examine th more recent cohort of graduatesâthose aged 25 to 34ânearly every country has a gender imbalance that favours women. In most cases, moreover, womenâs advantage has become much more pronounced." So models that explain why colleges favour white males are rather like models that explain why the sun is dark. If "colleges" are set up to favour white males, they are doing a catastrophically bad job of it. So much so that I have been glad I have daughters, not sons. If you want to say that Computer Science numbers are due to some sort of discriminatory environment rather than preference, then you have to explain the equally large imbalance the other way in "medicine-related subjects" as discrimination rather than preference. On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 at 02:39, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl <mailto:stephan@stack.nl> > wrote: > > Steve Quezadas <steveeq1(a)gmail.com <mailto:steveeq1@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Your interpreting this information with a SJW lens. > > SJW is a political construct from the extreme right. As a straight white > male from Western Europe I have seen enough discriminatory practices > applied to less privileged friends to know there is a problem. And as I can > afford to speak up, I do. > > > Look at the low proportion of blacks and women who > > apply for CS majors in college. Are you going to say that colleges are > > using discriminatory practices to keep blacks and women from taking CS > > classes? > > Yes, the colleges are set up to make it easier for white males to succeed. > There are enough models explaining why that happens > > > Maybe the bulk of the low recruitment statistics is simply due to > > non-interest within that sub-culture. > > Back to identity politics? > > Stephan > > > > > > > > >

Sept. 24, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] FFI beginner question

by Guillermo Polito

> El 24 sept 2019, a las 4:35, Richard O'Keefe <raoknz(a)gmail.com> escribiÃ³: > > What I want to do is to create a binding for the SoftPosit library. > A typical function has an interface like > quire16_t q16_fdp_add(quire16_t, posit16_t, posit16_t); > where > typedef struct { uint16_t v; } posit16_t; > typedef struct { uint64_t v[2]; } quire16_t; > A "quire" is a dot product accumulator. > A "posit" is a number. > {quire,posit}{8,16,32} are defined, and a number of other types. Ok, so IIUC, what you need is: 1) define type aliases (e.g., typedef posit16_t uint_t) 2) define a couple of structs based on those types I see in the booklet no documentation about type aliases so far, but in the latest pharo version there are a couple of examples you can look at. Type aliases can be defined as class variables in the class using the type, or in a shared pool, if you mean to use those types in several places. Take a look at FT2Types class side for an example, where the type FT_Error is defined FT2Types class>>initialize ... FT_Error := 'longâ. â¦ and then used in a callout like this FT2Face >> ffiGetKerningLeft: left_glyph right: right_glyph result: akerning self ffiCall: #(FT_Error FT_Get_Kerning(self, FT_UInt left_glyph, FT_UInt right_glyph, 2, FT_Vector *akerning )) Then, to use those defined types in a struct definition, you only need to make those type aliases (class vars) available in your struct, and use them in the struct field definition See for example FTMatrix FTMatrix class >> fieldsDesc ^ #( FT_Fixed xx FT_Fixed xy FT_Fixed yx FT_Fixed yy ) Hope this helps, Guille

Sept. 24, 2019

Pumping FFI documentation [WAS] FFI beginner question

by Guillermo Polito

Hi Ted, I split this in a separate thread to avoid noise :) > El 23 sept 2019, a las 23:14, Brainstorms <wild.ideas(a)gmail.com> escribiÃ³: > > Guillermo, > > I'm interested in helping, but at this point, I think I'd be most helpful > working at improving documentation (mainly editing) rather than working on > Pharo code itself. (I'd like to work toward that, though.) Iâve been doing a pass on the structure, and I was thinking on a rough structure as follows: 1) Intro to FFI (callouts, function and library lookup, intro to value marshalling) 2) Marshalling (sending arguments, literal arguments, more on marshalling, basic C types: ints, floats, pointers and how they are transformed to pharo objects and vice-versaâ¦) 3) Complex types: strings, unions, arrays, opaque types 4) Derived types on the Pharo side: How to design nice classes with all this 5) Callbacks 6) Memory management I did already a pass on 1), and I got blocked in 2), though I want to release a version of it this week. If youâre up for it, there are several things we can do: - review the english :) - give feedback on what is missing, what is not understandable, what can be explained better - testing the examples? > > I'm still a newbie with Pharo, but I am a good writer/editor. And I expect > that working with Pharo documentation would be another means of increasing > my knowledge of the Pharo ecosystem -- so that's additional incentive for > me. Cool :) > I gather that the PDF books are written using Pillar, which I know nothing > about. Are there resources & guides for this tool/format that would help me > learn how to make & edit these kinds of documents? Pillar is a markup syntax (from Pierâs CMS, if you know it). https://github.com/pillar-markup/pillar <https://github.com/pillar-markup/pillar> Pillar comes with a document model, parser and generators to html, pdf (through latex), and othersâ¦ In Pillarâs readme there are the installation instructions + usage. If you check the travis file in the ffi booklet repository https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/Booklet-uFFI/blob/version2/.trav… <https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/Booklet-uFFI/blob/version2/.trav…> Youâll see it is built with pillar 7.4.1. In other words # install pillar $ git clone https://github.com/pillar-markup/pillar.git -b v7.4.1 $ cd pillar && ./scripts/build.sh && cd .. # go into the booklet repository and build the pdf $ ./pillar/build/pillar build pdf Although youâll need a mostly up-to-date latex version (latexmk required, plus several other packages, check Pillarâs readme) > Also, I've never contributed to an open source project; Pharo seems to be a > good place to start doing so. I see that most of the documentation, web > pages, booklets, etc. are in English so there's the advantage that English > is my first language (and I actually paid attention in school :^). I'm > also aware, from experience, that Documentation is rarely the first choice > for developers to apply their time & enthusiasmâ¦ And itâs super important nevertheless ^^. Guille

Sept. 24, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

by Steve Quezadas

Thank you for that well-stated argument. I agree, offray's argument is silly. It's like saying that there aren't many male kindergarten teachers and that this is evidence that the school system is "sexist". - Steve PS Can we please just kill the CoC it's making this maillist political. On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 8:25 PM Richard O'Keefe <raoknz(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Let's look at some official numbers. > > Looking at > https://www.hesa.ac.uk/news/11-01-2018/sfr247-higher-education-student-stat… > we see that overall, female graduates outnumbered male graduates about > 4 to 3 in each of the three years > recorded. The imbalance in science graduates was less, but it was > still consistently women significantly > outnumbering men. Computer science stood out as consistently about 4 > men to 1 woman, and Computer > Science departments are tying themselves into knots trying to figure > out what to do about it. Meanwhile, > nobody worries that "subjects allied to medicine" was about 4 women to 1 > man. > > If there are models explaining that "colleges" are set up to favour > white males, why are women succeeding > so much more than men? > > In my own country, ten years ago the main newspaper ran an article > pointing out that "Two-thirds of bachelor > degrees last year went to women, the highest figure on record" and > that "Women have outnumbered men > in the tertiary sector for more than a decade", blaming "a secondary > school system which may discourage > or poorly prepare boys for further learning". > > Look now at Canada. > > https://www.conferenceboard.ca/hcp/Details/education/gender-gap-tertiary.as… > tells us that "Canadian women aged 25 to 64 are 17 per cent more > likely than Canadian men to have a tertiary education. > The imbalance in educational attainment between Canadian men and women > has increased over the past decade, > raising questions about whether higher education in Canada is becoming > less hospitable to male learners." This is not new. > "the overall gender imbalance tipped in womenâs favour in Canada in > the early 1990s. ... > Many are asking whether there is a 'boy crisis' in education and > wondering what can be done to address it. In fact, a > growing 'boy gap' in education can be seen across OECD countries, with > the problem beginning long before students > reach post-secondary age. According to a recent report, 'boys, as a > group, rank behind girls by nearly every measure > of scholastic achievement'âincluding reading and writing scoresâand > they are 'also more likely to be picked out for > behavioural problems, more likely to repeat a grade and to drop out of > school altogether.â "when we examine th > more recent cohort of graduatesâthose aged 25 to 34ânearly every > country has a gender imbalance that favours > women. In most cases, moreover, womenâs advantage has become much more > pronounced." > > So models that explain why colleges favour white males are rather like > models that explain why the sun is dark. > If "colleges" are set up to favour white males, they are doing a > catastrophically bad job of it. So much so that I > have been glad I have daughters, not sons. > > If you want to say that Computer Science numbers are due to some sort > of discriminatory environment rather than > preference, then you have to explain the equally large imbalance the > other way in "medicine-related subjects" as > discrimination rather than preference. > > > On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 at 02:39, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: > > > > Steve Quezadas <steveeq1(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Your interpreting this information with a SJW lens. > > > > SJW is a political construct from the extreme right. As a straight white > > male from Western Europe I have seen enough discriminatory practices > > applied to less privileged friends to know there is a problem. And as I > can > > afford to speak up, I do. > > > > > Look at the low proportion of blacks and women who > > > apply for CS majors in college. Are you going to say that colleges are > > > using discriminatory practices to keep blacks and women from taking CS > > > classes? > > > > Yes, the colleges are set up to make it easier for white males to > succeed. > > There are enough models explaining why that happens > > > > > Maybe the bulk of the low recruitment statistics is simply due to > > > non-interest within that sub-culture. > > > > Back to identity politics? > > > > Stephan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Sept. 24, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

by Richard O'Keefe

Let's look at some official numbers. Looking at https://www.hesa.ac.uk/news/11-01-2018/sfr247-higher-education-student-stat… we see that overall, female graduates outnumbered male graduates about 4 to 3 in each of the three years recorded. The imbalance in science graduates was less, but it was still consistently women significantly outnumbering men. Computer science stood out as consistently about 4 men to 1 woman, and Computer Science departments are tying themselves into knots trying to figure out what to do about it. Meanwhile, nobody worries that "subjects allied to medicine" was about 4 women to 1 man. If there are models explaining that "colleges" are set up to favour white males, why are women succeeding so much more than men? In my own country, ten years ago the main newspaper ran an article pointing out that "Two-thirds of bachelor degrees last year went to women, the highest figure on record" and that "Women have outnumbered men in the tertiary sector for more than a decade", blaming "a secondary school system which may discourage or poorly prepare boys for further learning". Look now at Canada. https://www.conferenceboard.ca/hcp/Details/education/gender-gap-tertiary.as… tells us that "Canadian women aged 25 to 64 are 17 per cent more likely than Canadian men to have a tertiary education. The imbalance in educational attainment between Canadian men and women has increased over the past decade, raising questions about whether higher education in Canada is becoming less hospitable to male learners." This is not new. "the overall gender imbalance tipped in womenâs favour in Canada in the early 1990s. ... Many are asking whether there is a 'boy crisis' in education and wondering what can be done to address it. In fact, a growing 'boy gap' in education can be seen across OECD countries, with the problem beginning long before students reach post-secondary age. According to a recent report, 'boys, as a group, rank behind girls by nearly every measure of scholastic achievement'âincluding reading and writing scoresâand they are 'also more likely to be picked out for behavioural problems, more likely to repeat a grade and to drop out of school altogether.â "when we examine th more recent cohort of graduatesâthose aged 25 to 34ânearly every country has a gender imbalance that favours women. In most cases, moreover, womenâs advantage has become much more pronounced." So models that explain why colleges favour white males are rather like models that explain why the sun is dark. If "colleges" are set up to favour white males, they are doing a catastrophically bad job of it. So much so that I have been glad I have daughters, not sons. If you want to say that Computer Science numbers are due to some sort of discriminatory environment rather than preference, then you have to explain the equally large imbalance the other way in "medicine-related subjects" as discrimination rather than preference. On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 at 02:39, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: > > Steve Quezadas <steveeq1(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Your interpreting this information with a SJW lens. > > SJW is a political construct from the extreme right. As a straight white > male from Western Europe I have seen enough discriminatory practices > applied to less privileged friends to know there is a problem. And as I can > afford to speak up, I do. > > > Look at the low proportion of blacks and women who > > apply for CS majors in college. Are you going to say that colleges are > > using discriminatory practices to keep blacks and women from taking CS > > classes? > > Yes, the colleges are set up to make it easier for white males to succeed. > There are enough models explaining why that happens > > > Maybe the bulk of the low recruitment statistics is simply due to > > non-interest within that sub-culture. > > Back to identity politics? > > Stephan > > > > > > > > >

Sept. 24, 2019