September 2019 - Pharo-users

Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

by PBKResearch

First, apologies for the shambles of formatting this post. Secondly, having re-read it, I think it was inappropriate to mention Sven in the way I did. I still maintain that there are problems with the code, but I wish to retract the comments about Sven, and I apologise for including them. Peter Kenny From: Pharo-users <pharo-users-bounces(a)lists.pharo.org> On Behalf Of Peter Kenny Sent: 11 September 2019 22:02 To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct I see no problem with having *a* code of conduct, but there are some worrying aspects of *this* code. Clearly there is a need for generality in any code, but the vagueness of the drafting seems to me to open it up to all sorts of mischief. Consider the paragraph: " Project maintainers have the right and responsibility to remove, edit, or reject comments, commits, code, wiki edits, issues, and other contributions that are not aligned to this Code of Conduct, or to ban temporarily or permanently any contributor for other behaviors that they deem inappropriate, threatening, offensive, or harmful." The bits I have bolded mean that the maintainers can apply punitive measures based on what they deem inappropriate. Shouldn't the concept of "due process" come into this? The FAQ section, under the heading "What should I do if I have been accused of violating the code of conduct?", makes no mention of defending ones actions; the only option is to admit guilt and work with the accusers to reform. The inclusion of the words "they deem" opens the way to all sort of subjectivity. Just for one instance, Sven recently thought it inappropriate that John Pfersich mentioned in passing in this list that, besides programming, his hobbies include shooting, which is a legal activity in most countries and an Olympic sport. Others disagreed in the thread, but Sven's message remained "don't do it." If John mentioned it again, could that be a violation of the code? The fact that this particular code, evidently the creation of one person, is accepted by others should not mean it is automatically accepted. There is an obligation to look at it in detail; when I do, I think there are problems. Peter Kenny Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote > On 11 Sep 2019, at 19:07, James Foster <[hidden email]> wrote: > > >> On Sep 11, 2019, at 8:17 AM, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> On 11/09/19 9:14 a. m., Herby VojÄÃk wrote: >>> I found Contributor Covenant-derived Code of Conduct was added to >>> Pharo, three months ago. This is unacceptable under any circumstances. >>> >>> Have fun in your woke hell. >> >> I would like to have more details about this. For those of us who don't >> believe in hell, what is the problem of an explicit Code of Conduct? > > More specifically, what behavior does the Code prohibit that you would otherwise do? > > For my part, while I might not subscribe to the full progressive agenda, I wasnât planning any racial or ethnic slurs (or a theological discussion of the afterlifeâbut feel free to ask me privately!), so donât find this âwokeâ agenda too constricting. > > James Indeed. For those new to the discussion, we are talking about https://www.contributor-covenant.org/version/1/4/code-of-conduct - which is quite popular and generally accepted. Sven _____ Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive <http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html> at Nabble.com.

Sept. 11, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

by Richard Sargent

Thanks for sharing that, Peter. It's an important point. On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 2:02 PM Peter Kenny <peter(a)pbkresearch.co.uk> wrote: > I see no problem with having *a* code of conduct, but there are some > worrying aspects of *this* code. Clearly there is a need for generality in > any code, but the vagueness of the drafting seems to me to open it up to > all sorts of mischief. Consider the paragraph: " *Project maintainers > have the right and responsibility* to remove, edit, or reject comments, > commits, code, wiki edits, issues, and other contributions that are not > aligned to this Code of Conduct, or* to ban temporarily or permanently > any contributor for other behaviors that they deem inappropriate*, > threatening, offensive, or harmful." The bits I have bolded mean that the > maintainers can apply punitive measures based on what they deem > inappropriate. Shouldn't the concept of "due process" come into this? The > FAQ section, under the heading "What should I do if I have been accused of > violating the code of conduct?", makes no mention of defending ones > actions; the only option is to admit guilt and work with the accusers to > reform. The inclusion of the words "they deem" opens the way to all sort of > subjectivity. Just for one instance, Sven recently thought it inappropriate > that John Pfersich mentioned in passing in this list that, besides > programming, his hobbies include shooting, which is a legal activity in > most countries and an Olympic sport. Others disagreed in the thread, but > Sven's message remained "don't do it." If John mentioned it again, could > that be a violation of the code? The fact that this particular code, > evidently the creation of one person, is accepted by others should not mean > it is automatically accepted. There is an obligation to look at it in > detail; when I do, I think there are problems. Peter Kenny > > Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote > > On 11 Sep 2019, at 19:07, James Foster <[hidden email] > <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=email&email=Smalltalk%40>> wrote: > > >> > On Sep 11, 2019, at 8:17 AM, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas <[hidden email] > <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=email&email=offray.luna%40>> wrote: >> > >> On 11/09/19 9:14 a. m., Herby VojÄÃk wrote: >>> I found Contributor > Covenant-derived Code of Conduct was added to >>> Pharo, three months ago. > This is unacceptable under any circumstances. >>> >>> Have fun in your woke > hell. >> >> I would like to have more details about this. For those of us > who don't >> believe in hell, what is the problem of an explicit Code of > Conduct? > > More specifically, what behavior does the Code prohibit that > you would otherwise do? > > For my part, while I might not subscribe to the > full progressive agenda, I wasnât planning any racial or ethnic slurs (or a > theological discussion of the afterlifeâbut feel free to ask me > privately!), so donât find this âwokeâ agenda too constricting. > > James > Indeed. For those new to the discussion, we are talking about > https://www.contributor-covenant.org/version/1/4/code-of-conduct - which > is quite popular and generally accepted. Sven > > > ------------------------------ > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive > <http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html> at Nabble.com. >

Sept. 11, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

by Peter Kenny

I see no problem with having *a* code of conduct, but there are some worrying aspects of *this* code. Clearly there is a need for generality in any code, but the vagueness of the drafting seems to me to open it up to all sorts of mischief. Consider the paragraph:" *Project maintainers have the right and responsibility* to remove, edit, or reject comments, commits, code, wiki edits, issues, and other contributions that are not aligned to this Code of Conduct, or* to ban temporarily or permanently any contributor for other behaviors that they deem inappropriate*, threatening, offensive, or harmful."The bits I have bolded mean that the maintainers can apply punitive measures based on what they deem inappropriate. Shouldn't the concept of "due process" come into this? The FAQ section, under the heading "What should I do if I have been accused of violating the code of conduct?", makes no mention of defending ones actions; the only option is to admit guilt and work with the accusers to reform.The inclusion of the words "they deem" opens the way to all sort of subjectivity. Just for one instance, Sven recently thought it inappropriate that John Pfersich mentioned in passing in this list that, besides programming, his hobbies include shooting, which is a legal activity in most countries and an Olympic sport. Others disagreed in the thread, but Sven's message remained "don't do it." If John mentioned it again, could that be a violation of the code?The fact that this particular code, evidently the creation of one person, is accepted by others should not mean it is automatically accepted. There is an obligation to look at it in detail; when I do, I think there are problems.Peter Kenny Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote >> On 11 Sep 2019, at 19:07, James Foster < > Smalltalk@ > > wrote:> > >> On Sep 11, 2019, at 8:17 AM, Offray Vladimir Luna > CÃ¡rdenas < > offray.luna@ > > wrote:>> >> On 11/09/19 9:14 a. m., Herby VojÄÃk wrote:>>> I found > Contributor Covenant-derived Code of Conduct was added to>>> Pharo, three > months ago. This is unacceptable under any circumstances.>>> >>> Have fun > in your woke hell.>> >> I would like to have more details about this. For > those of us who don't>> believe in hell, what is the problem of an > explicit Code of Conduct?> > More specifically, what behavior does the > Code prohibit that you would otherwise do? > > For my part, while I might > not subscribe to the full progressive agenda, I wasnât planning any racial > or ethnic slurs (or a theological discussion of the afterlifeâbut feel > free to ask me privately!), so donât find this âwokeâ agenda too > constricting.> > JamesIndeed.For those new to the discussion, we are > talking about > https://www.contributor-covenant.org/version/1/4/code-of-conduct - which > is quite popular and generally accepted.Sven -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Sept. 11, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

by Sean P. DeNigris

Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote > https://www.contributor-covenant.org/version/1/4/code-of-conduct - which > is quite popular and generally accepted. Based on the reaction earlier in the thread, I was expecting something highly opinionated and polarizing, but it seems to boil down to: be professional and don't make it personal. While there are some categories of people mentioned, it doesn't seem to make a value judgement about them, but merely say that no one (including from those categories) will be harassed inside the Pharo community. Seems pretty reasonable, unless I'm missing something... ----- Cheers, Sean -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Sept. 11, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 11 Sep 2019, at 19:07, James Foster <Smalltalk(a)JGFoster.net> wrote: > > >> On Sep 11, 2019, at 8:17 AM, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas <offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> wrote: >> >> On 11/09/19 9:14 a. m., Herby VojÄÃk wrote: >>> I found Contributor Covenant-derived Code of Conduct was added to >>> Pharo, three months ago. This is unacceptable under any circumstances. >>> >>> Have fun in your woke hell. >> >> I would like to have more details about this. For those of us who don't >> believe in hell, what is the problem of an explicit Code of Conduct? > > More specifically, what behavior does the Code prohibit that you would otherwise do? > > For my part, while I might not subscribe to the full progressive agenda, I wasnât planning any racial or ethnic slurs (or a theological discussion of the afterlifeâbut feel free to ask me privately!), so donât find this âwokeâ agenda too constricting. > > James Indeed. For those new to the discussion, we are talking about https://www.contributor-covenant.org/version/1/4/code-of-conduct - which is quite popular and generally accepted. Sven

Sept. 11, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct

by James Foster

> On Sep 11, 2019, at 8:17 AM, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas <offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> wrote: > > On 11/09/19 9:14 a. m., Herby VojÄÃk wrote: >> I found Contributor Covenant-derived Code of Conduct was added to >> Pharo, three months ago. This is unacceptable under any circumstances. >> >> Have fun in your woke hell. > > I would like to have more details about this. For those of us who don't > believe in hell, what is the problem of an explicit Code of Conduct? More specifically, what behavior does the Code prohibit that you would otherwise do? For my part, while I might not subscribe to the full progressive agenda, I wasnât planning any racial or ethnic slurs (or a theological discussion of the afterlifeâbut feel free to ask me privately!), so donât find this âwokeâ agenda too constricting. James

Sept. 11, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] Stream >> <<

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

On 11/09/19 9:14 a.Â m., Herby VojÄÃk wrote: > On 11. 9. 2019 11:46, Herby VojÄÃk wrote: >> On 11. 9. 2019 3:23, Richard O'Keefe wrote: >>> #write: really does not seem to be any improvement over #nextPutAll:. >> >> Will post. > > Actually, I won't. I don't care any more. > > I found Contributor Covenant-derived Code of Conduct was added to > Pharo, three months ago. This is unacceptable under any circumstances. > > Have fun in your woke hell. > > Herby > > > I would like to have more details about this. For those of us who don't believe in hell, what is the problem of an explicit Code of Conduct? Cheers, Offray

Sept. 11, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] Stream >> <<

by Herby VojÄÃk

On 11. 9. 2019 11:46, Herby VojÄÃk wrote: > On 11. 9. 2019 3:23, Richard O'Keefe wrote: >> #write: really does not seem to be any improvement over #nextPutAll:. > > Will post. Actually, I won't. I don't care any more. I found Contributor Covenant-derived Code of Conduct was added to Pharo, three months ago. This is unacceptable under any circumstances. Have fun in your woke hell. Herby

Sept. 11, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] uFFI ExternalAddress challenges

by TomaÅ¾ Turk

Excellent, thanks!

Sept. 11, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] uFFI ExternalAddress challenges

by Guillermo Polito

> El 11 sept 2019, a las 11:43, TomaÅ¾ Turk <tomaz.turk(a)ef.uni-lj.si> escribiÃ³: > > > Well, the pointer survives, the area of memory pointed by that pointer will be recycled with subsequent calls in general. > > I'll pay special attention to that, but it's probably a matter of properly creating and releasing COM objects. > > > I have another question - in FFI call, how would one send a wide string, as in > > void CallMethod(void * COMObj, wchar_t * MethodName) > > I might have additional questions about UTF-8 and other code page nuances â¦ :D Windows is particularly different than other platforms. In *nixes most APIs require a char* with the encoded bytes, which we can encode in Pharo doing something like âmy stringâ utf8Encoded => a byte array with the encoded string But for windows, I think the best is to use their encoding APIs. Youâll find the image already has some support for that, that we use to access environment variables and the working directory string. Check the class Win32WideString and its class comment ;) > > Best wishes, > Tomaz

Sept. 11, 2019