August 2019 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

by horrido

True, some applications are very long-lived. But in my experience, a great many applications are EOL'd within 20 years. It may happen for many different reasons, some technical, some political, some because the technology has grown out of date (which causes HR and support difficulties). My point was simply that any software project that lasts more than a decade has to be considered a success. -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Aug. 7, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

by John Pfersich

I donât know if a 10 year lifespan is exceptional. I wrote an application in 1986 thatâs still running. Development took 6 weeks. Including testing. /ââââââââââââââââââââ/ For encrypted mail use jgpfersich(a)protonmail.com Get a free account at ProtonMail.com Web: www.objectnets.net and www.objectnets.org > On Aug 6, 2019, at 04:37, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Well, all software applications eventually meet their EOL. IRIS-2 had a good, > long run. > > Note that the same thing applies to JWARS. It was EOL'd in 2010, but it was > operational for over a decade. That's pretty damn good! > > None of this takes away from Smalltalk's efficacy and power. > > > > Mariano Martinez Peck wrote >> Yes. And I think it's even more sad than the containers example doesn't >> work anymore... AFAIK they replaced the system. >> >> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019, 05:06 Tim Mackinnon < > >> tim@ > >> > wrote: >> >>> Itâs very entertaining but it seems a bit sad - itâs a shame it refers to >>> JP-Morgan as âused Smalltalk â as actually they are âstill using >>> Smalltalkâ >>> (so itâs not in the past) >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 5 Aug 2019, at 16:19, Richard Kenneth Eng < > >> horrido.hobbies@ > >> > >>> wrote: >>> >>> A big fan of my work created this rogue video: >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1opveHaukFK8WbQ8wg8b14wuKJsjoOZfO/view >>> >>> I appreciate the homage, but I can't take credit for it. >>> >>> It's really quite beautiful, though. I'm using it as part of my >>> evangelism. >>> >>> > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >

Aug. 7, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

by Tim Mackinnon

The error is quite specific, you have to click on the maximise green button on a Mac and go full screen - if you just resize or alt-click that button you donât seem to get this problem (at least I havenât been able to - but Ted hasnât confirmed this yet). So I donât think its quite so bad - and in fact it doesnât always crash, but I have got stuck and been unable to un-maximise, however I could save my work. Tim > On 6 Aug 2019, at 23:52, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hmmm, this is worrisome. My JRMPC competition opens for registration in less > than a month, and registrants may use either Windows or Mac. Since the > competition is based on Pharo 7, it is absolutely crucial that Mac-using > registrants be able to successfully run Pharo 7. > > Since my Mac mini died last month, I can no longer pursue this matter, so > hopefully someone else can follow up on this soon. > > > > TedVanGaalen wrote >> Hi Tim, >> >> I did that before (see thread history) and other kinds of magic too. >> Probably (still) a VM error? (because it happens with squeak also, which >> uses same VM?) >> >> However, it is beyond my skills and knowledge >> No idea how to solve this. >> >> The problem has been around for much too long >> It bounces people away that arrive for the first time at Pharo/Smalltalk. >> (and they surely won't know about a workaround) >> >> When the first simple things they try freezes the whole environment, >> they'll go away and probably never return. >> That was then their first and last impression of Smalltalk. >> >> TedvG >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >

Aug. 7, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

by horrido

Hmmm, this is worrisome. My JRMPC competition opens for registration in less than a month, and registrants may use either Windows or Mac. Since the competition is based on Pharo 7, it is absolutely crucial that Mac-using registrants be able to successfully run Pharo 7. Since my Mac mini died last month, I can no longer pursue this matter, so hopefully someone else can follow up on this soon. TedVanGaalen wrote > Hi Tim, > > I did that before (see thread history) and other kinds of magic too. > Probably (still) a VM error? (because it happens with squeak also, which > uses same VM?) > > However, it is beyond my skills and knowledge > No idea how to solve this. > > The problem has been around for much too long > It bounces people away that arrive for the first time at Pharo/Smalltalk. > (and they surely won't know about a workaround) > > When the first simple things they try freezes the whole environment, > they'll go away and probably never return. > That was then their first and last impression of Smalltalk. > > TedvG > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Aug. 6, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

by horrido

Personally I don't like the aesthetics, the pace of text and its "nostalgia", and the overall message of the song lyrics ; and although I like the band and song, it's a proven plagiarism of Satriani's "If I could fly". [1] Putting aside the song's controversy, I think it's a lovely aesthetic. It's romantic. It mirrors Smalltalk's former glory. And the video's content suggests a possible bright future. "Join the revolution." Indeed. -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Aug. 6, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

by horrido

What is the intentend audience of this? I watched the video again, carefully, and here's my takeaway... The video is aimed at developers and would-be developers who: â have never heard of Smalltalk, or do not know anything significant about the language or its history â are not aware that Smalltalk was once a reasonably popular language, so it's not as obscure and esoteric as they think â do not know that there have been two conflicting philosophies surrounding OOP, and that most developers have learned OOP "the wrong way" â and, most importantly, that Smalltalk represents a new programming model, distinct from the one that most everyone have been using since the days of FORTRAN and COBOL This last point is crucial. I've heard so many complaints about Smalltalk being too "insular" because of its system image, that it doesn't play well with existing programming tools like text editors, command line utilities, git, etc. Duh! It's a new programming model! What do you expect? And now that Pharo plays nice with git, insularity is no longer as big a deal. This new programming model is THE REASON that Smalltalk is so super productive. If the video can drive home this point, and I think it does, that's a huge achievement. -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Aug. 6, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

by horrido

Hmmm, I apparently guessed wrong. :-( Richard Sargent wrote > On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 4:16 PM BrunoBB < > smalltalk@.com > > wrote: > >> /Yes. And I think it's even more sad than the containers example doesn't >> work >> anymore... AFAIK they replaced the system. / >> >> How accurate is this ? >> > > OOCL advanced their system to IRIS-4 (Oracle based) and was eventually > bought by COSCO, a mainland China shipping company. COSCO is currently > running IRIS-2. > > >> From: >> >> https://www.oocl.com/eng/aboutoocl/companyprofile/informationtechnology/Pag… >> >> OOCL's Integrated Regional Information System, known as IRIS-2, was >> launched in 1999. IRIS-2 became more than just a software; it helped >> facilitate a new company culture. * IRIS-2 has changed the way we think >> and >> the way we do business.* >> >> regards, >> bruno >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >> >> -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Aug. 6, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 5:39 PM horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I've read a number of LinkedIn posts from Mariano MartÃnez Peck about > recent > innovations to VA Smalltalk, IIRC. Seems to me that Instantiations are > doing > a good job of innovating, too. > > Thanks Richard. Funny thing... I was typing my response while yours jumped in :) -- Mariano Martinez Peck Email: marianopeck(a)gmail.com Twitter: @MartinezPeck LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/mariano-martinez-peck <https://www.linkedin.com/in/mariano-mart%C3%ADnez-peck/> Blog: https://marianopeck.wordpress.com/

Aug. 6, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

by horrido

I'm just guessing, but perhaps COSCO's acquisition of OOCL forced them to realign their software infrastructure. COSCO is obviously not a Smalltalk shop. This wouldn't be the first time an acquisition forced major corporate changes. Mariano Martinez Peck wrote > The last place was a few days ago: > https://twitter.com/MartinClausen8/status/1157051595999404033 > But... a whole longer discussion took place a few months ago...but I > cannot > find it now. > > On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 5:19 PM BrunoBB < > smalltalk@.com > > wrote: > >> Sorry, >> >> The main phrase: >> >> Today, we continue to reap the rewards of this remarkable system. >> >> regards, >> bruno >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >> >> > > -- > Mariano Martinez Peck > Email: > marianopeck@ > Twitter: @MartinezPeck > LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/mariano-martinez-peck > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/mariano-mart%C3%ADnez-peck/> > Blog: https://marianopeck.wordpress.com/ -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Aug. 6, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] A Canticle for Smalltalk

by Richard Sargent

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 4:16 PM BrunoBB <smalltalk(a)adinet.com.uy> wrote: > /Yes. And I think it's even more sad than the containers example doesn't > work > anymore... AFAIK they replaced the system. / > > How accurate is this ? > OOCL advanced their system to IRIS-4 (Oracle based) and was eventually bought by COSCO, a mainland China shipping company. COSCO is currently running IRIS-2. > From: > > https://www.oocl.com/eng/aboutoocl/companyprofile/informationtechnology/Pag… > > OOCL's Integrated Regional Information System, known as IRIS-2, was > launched in 1999. IRIS-2 became more than just a software; it helped > facilitate a new company culture. * IRIS-2 has changed the way we think and > the way we do business.* > > regards, > bruno > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html > >

Aug. 6, 2019