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Re: [Pharo-users] GSoC 2019 introducing my project: Next Generation of Unit Testing

by Ben Coman

On Fri, 10 May 2019 at 18:13, Dayne Lorena Guerra Calle <guerra.dayne(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > My name is Dayne, I'm a final-year computer science student in Bolivia and I have been selected with my project as one of the students for this GSOC. > > First I will work in DrTests: > DrTests project aims to provide a plugin-based UI to deal with tests in Pharo. It will provide the same features as the actual SUnit UI (i.e., running tests, profiling tests and computing code-coverage) but will allow to plug additional analysis on unit tests. > If you want to try the first version of DrTests in Pharo 7.0: https://github.com/juliendelplanque/DrTests Feedback and suggestions are always welcome. > Now I am migrating the UI from spec to spec2 for DrTest to be available in Pharo 8.0 > > Then the plan is enhancing the SUnit implementation by introducing a common Pharo's Sunit layer instead of different layer doing the same (for example, the SUnit UI, Jenkins tools and the system browser define 3 different ways to collect tests defined in a package). > And If you want to know more details bout this project I will attach my proposal. > I will write posts about the work done in my blog and you can contact me If you have new ideas for plugins or suggestions :) Hi Dayne, Welcome to the Pharo community. I hope you enjoy your GSoC project. I hadn't heard much about DrTests before now and was interested to read your blog post touching on it. It was the first I had heard about "Executable Comments" and the generation of tests from them is an interesting feature. Can you provide a link to your original proposal? cheers -ben

May 11, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] GSoC 2019 Introduction myself

by Ben Coman

On Fri, 10 May 2019 at 10:33, EVELYN CUSI LOPEZ <cusi.evelyn(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello, everybody. > > My name is Evelyn, I'm 24 years old. I'm a last year student at the Mayor de San Simon University in Bolivia, I'm currently doing my degree project to get my professional degree. My proposal for "Better and more refactorings for Pharo" was selected in this year's GsOC :D. > > Just few months ago I got to know the world of Smalltalk and I really liked it, I made a page for ESUG in Seaside and I made some extensions to use Magritte with Material Design Lite, for now I'm doing a tutorial of Parasol still missing some details but soon will be ready. > > As for my proposal is to improve the current refactoring tools that Pharo currently has, I plan to add some shortcuts to the most important refactoring options, add some previews before refactoring similar to IntelliJ IDEA, add three new refactoring options (Inline method, variable inline, and find and replace) and finally improve the option to extract method by adding a duplicate code search of the method that will be extracted. > > Now I am learning everything necessary for the realization of this project, so any suggestion to improve the proposal or suggest the best way to start is welcome, and do not hesitate to ask any questions you have about this project :D. > > I'm very excited to start working with you. > > Sincerely, > Evelyn. Hi Evelyn, Welcome to Pharo. I'm glad to hear that as a newcomer you are enjoying Pharo. I hope that your GSoC project provides you an even deeper appreciation of Pharo and starts a long and enjoyable journey working with Pharo. > P.d. You can access my proposal in the attached file: https://storage.googleapis.com/summerofcode-prod.appspot.com/gsoc/core_proj… Your link doesn't work for me. I get this... <Error> <Code>ExpiredToken</Code> <Message>The provided token has expired.</Message> <Details> Request signature expired at: 2019-05-11T02:30:26+00:00 cheers -ben

May 11, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] Fwd: introducing my GSoC project - Improving Code Completion

by Ben Coman

Hi Myroslava, Thanks for being the first GSoC participant to introduce yourself. It can be tough stepping into a new community. In the past I've felt some disconnect from GSoC participants where most of the communication occurs between participants and their mentors, while actually the aim of GSoC is for the main community to connect with you and hopefully gain you as a long term contributor. Over time I've seen a few conversations on this list seeking improvements in code completion, so work here will be valued. Good luck with it. On Fri, 10 May 2019 at 22:18, Myroslava Romaniuk <romaniuk(a)ucu.edu.ua> wrote: > > [I guess the majority of people don't use the dev mailing list, so i'm resending this here.] Actually pharo-dev tends to have more traffic and a lots of people are on both lists. The lack of response may just have been yours was an informational post with no question needing a direct response. When I read your original post I was in a hurry and wasn't sure if others were better placed to welcome you, but if everyone does the same we end up looking like a tough crowd, when actually its a really friendly and helpful community. I'm sure you'll get a better response when you need help with something. One thing I would ask to be considered, but you should discuss the suitability of it with your mentors, is that you incrementally integrate changes into Pharo 8 as early as possible throughout GSoC, so the community gets the best chance to benefit from your work, and minimizes the risk of integrating a large branch later on. Release Early, Release Often... http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral-bazaar/ar01s04… On behalf of the community then, WELCOME, and I look forward to trying out your improvements. cheers -ben > Hi everyone, > > My name is Myroslava, I'm a 3rd year CS student in Ukraine, and my project Improving Code Completion has been selected for this year's GSoC. Some of you might know me from the 2 ESUGs I was at or maybe remember me previously doing GSoC in 2017, in any case I'm very happy to have been given this opportunity and I look forward to working with you! > > I started working on code completion last year during my internship at RMoD with Marcus and Stef, and I really want to make even more progress with code completion this summer and properly implement it inside Pharo as one of the options to use. You can read more about what has been done last summer and what is yet to be done this summer in my proposal (see attached). > > If you have any feedback or questions, don't hesitate to email me. Help and suggestions throughout my work on the project will be incredibly welcome too, as there's a lot to figure out how to do best. If you are interested in updates or want to keep in touch, I'm also on twitter, and I have a blog where I used to post about my progress in the last GSoC and about my internship at RMoD, and I will be writing there this summer, too. I'll also try to be more active in the mailing list and on discord :) > > Cheers, > Myroslava

May 11, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk tutorial is broken

by Brainstorms

I think the animation is much better than the idea of "if nothing is selected, then auto-select the entire line". The auto-select idea teaches bad habits, or it teaches something different from how the UI normally works / is supposed to work. And then you start a schism of Smalltalk UIs: Some that have this behavior and some that don't, which leads to confusion -- and turns people off. The GIF instructs visually, by example, how the UI works rather than compensating for the user's lack of understanding. Much better! -Ted horrido wrote > <http://forum.world.st/file/t128560/ProfStef.gif> > > > Ben Coman wrote >> A picture is worth a thousand words. What it needs is an animated GIF >> on loop demonstrating what to do. >> >> cheers -ben >> >> On Fri, 10 May 2019 at 21:32, Richard Kenneth Eng >> < > >> horrido.hobbies@ > >> > wrote: >>> >>> So say many visitors to https://amber-lang.net/learn.html. >>> >>> The problem is this: visitors are failing to read and comprehend the >>> last >>> instruction on the first page of the tutorial. The one that reads: >>> Select >>> the text below and click on the 'DoIt' button. >>> >>> They're not selecting the text. They do not understand what is meant by >>> "select the text below." >>> >>> So they immediately encounter a parse error and conclude that the >>> tutorial is broken. This is a horrible, horrible first impression for >>> Smalltalk. >>> >>> It's not a rare occurrence, either. I've received this complaint >>> numerous >>> times on Quora and Medium. >>> >>> So the question is: How to fix this? How to avoid this PR nightmare? > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

May 11, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk tutorial is broken

by Ben Coman

On Sat, 11 May 2019 at 07:33, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > <http://forum.world.st/file/t128560/ProfStef.gif> Looks good. cheers -ben > > > Ben Coman wrote > > A picture is worth a thousand words. What it needs is an animated GIF > > on loop demonstrating what to do. > > > > cheers -ben > > > > On Fri, 10 May 2019 at 21:32, Richard Kenneth Eng > > < > > > horrido.hobbies@ > > > > wrote: > >> > >> So say many visitors to https://amber-lang.net/learn.html. > >> > >> The problem is this: visitors are failing to read and comprehend the last > >> instruction on the first page of the tutorial. The one that reads: Select > >> the text below and click on the 'DoIt' button. > >> > >> They're not selecting the text. They do not understand what is meant by > >> "select the text below." > >> > >> So they immediately encounter a parse error and conclude that the > >> tutorial is broken. This is a horrible, horrible first impression for > >> Smalltalk. > >> > >> It's not a rare occurrence, either. I've received this complaint numerous > >> times on Quora and Medium. > >> > >> So the question is: How to fix this? How to avoid this PR nightmare? > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >

May 11, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk tutorial is broken

by horrido

<http://forum.world.st/file/t128560/ProfStef.gif> Ben Coman wrote > A picture is worth a thousand words. What it needs is an animated GIF > on loop demonstrating what to do. > > cheers -ben > > On Fri, 10 May 2019 at 21:32, Richard Kenneth Eng > < > horrido.hobbies@ > > wrote: >> >> So say many visitors to https://amber-lang.net/learn.html. >> >> The problem is this: visitors are failing to read and comprehend the last >> instruction on the first page of the tutorial. The one that reads: Select >> the text below and click on the 'DoIt' button. >> >> They're not selecting the text. They do not understand what is meant by >> "select the text below." >> >> So they immediately encounter a parse error and conclude that the >> tutorial is broken. This is a horrible, horrible first impression for >> Smalltalk. >> >> It's not a rare occurrence, either. I've received this complaint numerous >> times on Quora and Medium. >> >> So the question is: How to fix this? How to avoid this PR nightmare? -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

May 10, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk tutorial is broken

by horrido

Yes, I like that best, too. I wonder how hard it would be to add this to Amber. jgfoster wrote >> On May 10, 2019, at 8:53 AM, Christopher Fuhrman < > christopher.fuhrman@ > > wrote: >> >> >> On Fri, May 10, 2019, 15:32 Richard Kenneth Eng < > horrido.hobbies@ > <mailto: > horrido.hobbies@ > >> wrote: >> So say many visitors to https://amber-lang.net/learn.html >> <https://amber-lang.net/learn.html>. >> >> The problem is this: visitors are failing to read and comprehend the last >> instruction on the first page of the tutorial. The one that reads: Select >> the text below and click on the 'DoIt' button. >> ... >> How to fix this? How to avoid this PR nightmare? >> I can think of at least three easy solutions: >> >> Change the button from "DoIt" to "do the selected text" >> >> Change the first line to: >> Profstef next "(you must select this entire line of text.)" >> >> But the best one might be: >> Catch the parse error and if it's a null, remind the user she must first >> select the text. > > Some Smalltalk implementations auto-select the entire line if nothing is > selected. I like that very much. -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

May 10, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk tutorial is broken

by James Foster

> On May 10, 2019, at 8:53 AM, Christopher Fuhrman <christopher.fuhrman(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Fri, May 10, 2019, 15:32 Richard Kenneth Eng <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com <mailto:horrido.hobbies@gmail.com>> wrote: > So say many visitors to https://amber-lang.net/learn.html <https://amber-lang.net/learn.html>. > > The problem is this: visitors are failing to read and comprehend the last instruction on the first page of the tutorial. The one that reads: Select the text below and click on the 'DoIt' button. > ... > How to fix this? How to avoid this PR nightmare? > I can think of at least three easy solutions: > > Change the button from "DoIt" to "do the selected text" > > Change the first line to: > Profstef next "(you must select this entire line of text.)" > > But the best one might be: > Catch the parse error and if it's a null, remind the user she must first select the text. Some Smalltalk implementations auto-select the entire line if nothing is selected. I like that very much.

May 10, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk tutorial is broken

by Ben Coman

A picture is worth a thousand words. What it needs is an animated GIF on loop demonstrating what to do. cheers -ben On Fri, 10 May 2019 at 21:32, Richard Kenneth Eng <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > So say many visitors to https://amber-lang.net/learn.html. > > The problem is this: visitors are failing to read and comprehend the last instruction on the first page of the tutorial. The one that reads: Select the text below and click on the 'DoIt' button. > > They're not selecting the text. They do not understand what is meant by "select the text below." > > So they immediately encounter a parse error and conclude that the tutorial is broken. This is a horrible, horrible first impression for Smalltalk. > > It's not a rare occurrence, either. I've received this complaint numerous times on Quora and Medium. > > So the question is: How to fix this? How to avoid this PR nightmare?

May 10, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk tutorial is broken

by Christopher Fuhrman

On Fri, May 10, 2019, 15:32 Richard Kenneth Eng <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > So say many visitors to https://amber-lang.net/learn.html. > > The problem is this: visitors are failing to read and comprehend the last > instruction on the first page of the tutorial. The one that reads: *Select > the text below and click on the 'DoIt' button*. > ... > How to fix this? How to avoid this PR nightmare? > I can think of at least three easy solutions: Change the button from "DoIt" to "do the selected text" Change the first line to: Profstef next "(you must select this entire line of text.)" But the best one might be: Catch the parse error and if it's a null, remind the user she must first select the text.

May 10, 2019