April 2019 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

by Stephan Eggermont

TedVanGaalen <tedvga(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Crying victory too soon: > Alas, it happened again pharo screen frozen, > partly drawn, when going to full screen > ( see image.) > frustrating. > The strange thing however: > the Seaside/Zinc server > kept running that is: I could enter and save data in > in my test app running in the web browser! > No idea why. That is consistent with other reports. Looks like the event loop receiving keyboard and mouse events gets stopped and not restarted. The http server runs in its own process Stephan

April 30, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] Why doesn't the VM command line help show the useful image commands anymore?

by K K Subbu

On 30/04/19 3:35 AM, Tim Mackinnon wrote: > Anyway - I tried using the command line on OSX ( I noticed they had > used pharo, and not pharo-ui â which I never understood: why is it > not pharo for ui and pharo-cmd for terminal, as it burns most > people?) - and typed âpharo âhelpâ, and you get an impressive long > list of commands - however it doesnât show you the useful Image > commands anymore? So you would never know to use âpharo Pharo.image > âlistâ. > > A while back it showed you that - but its now gone which seems a > shame? $ pharo --help will pass the option --help to the VM, not the virtual image. You have to "Precede <arguments> by '--' to terminate VM options and begin the virtual image and its options. $ pharo -- --list will pass the --list to the default image - ${PHARO_IMAGE:-Pharo.image} > I also notice at the bottom of the list, its says the the image name > defaults to Pharo.image - however I havenât noticed that works at all > - you have to specify an image, so thats a bit misleading. > $ PHARO_IMAGE=Pharo.image ./pharo -- eval 3+4 7 $ PHARO_IMAGE=Pharo.image ./pharo -- --help Usage: [<subcommand>] [--help] [--copyright] [--version] [--list] [ --no-quit ] --help print this help message --copyright print the copyrights --version print the version for the image and the vm --list list a description of all active command line handlers --no-quit keep the image running without activating any other command line handler <subcommand> a valid subcommand in --list Preference File Modification: --preferences-file load the preferences from the given <FILE> --no-default-preferences do not load any preferences from the default locations Documentation: A PharoCommandLineHandler handles default command line arguments and options. The PharoCommandLineHandler is activated before all other handlers. It first checks if another handler is available. If so it will activate the found handler. $ PHARO_IMAGE=Pharo.image ./pharo -- --list Currently installed Command Line Handlers: Fuel Loads fuel files config Install and inspect Metacello Configurations from the command line save Rename the image and changes file update Load updates printVersion Print image version st Loads and executes .st source files test A command line test runner clean Run image cleanup get Install catalog projects from the command line (consult catalog at http://catalog.pharo.org) eval Directly evaluates passed in one line scripts HTH .. Subbu

April 30, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] Why doesn't the VM command line help show the useful image commands anymore?

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 30 Apr 2019, at 00:05, Tim Mackinnon <tim(a)testit.works> wrote: > > I was asked a question about starting pharo exercism from the command line on Arch linux - seems the Pharo.image file isnât being found (but it was installed with AUR, which I am unfamiliar with). > > Anyway - I tried using the command line on OSX ( I noticed they had used pharo, and not pharo-ui â which I never understood: why is it not pharo for ui and pharo-cmd for terminal, as it burns most people?) - and typed âpharo âhelpâ, and you get an impressive long list of commands - however it doesnât show you the useful Image commands anymore? So you would never know to use âpharo Pharo.image âlistâ. > > A while back it showed you that - but its now gone which seems a shame? I don't believe that it ever worked that way: as it is now the VM can only answer for his part, while the commands that are handled by the image can only document themselves. Yes, this could be improved. The pharo-ui vs pharo depends on your standpoint: I like the shorter one for the command line. We should not rename them, by join them, if that would be possible. > I also notice at the bottom of the list, its says the the image name defaults to Pharo.image - however I havenât noticed that works at all - you have to specify an image, so thats a bit misleading. > > Tim > >

April 30, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] how to model this a better way

by Richard O'Keefe

For what it is worth, I have now completed two thirds of the Exercism tasks for Pharo. That's about 24 of them, maybe 1 or 2 more. ONE of them warranted the creation of another class (the Tournament exercise deserves a Team class). MOST of them were no-data classes with just one method. A couple of them required multiple methods, which in turn required state in the class, but not many. In each exercise the framework forces you to have at least two classes: Solution -- defined by you SolutionTests -- provided and you have to glean the interface from the SolutionTests class. Your suggestion for a Direction class is perfectly reasonable, and would be the right thing to do if Point did not exist or if you made a conscious decision to avoid it for practice reasons. I suppose the idea is that you push the testing button beside the SolutionTests class, and when an undefined class or undefined message is encountered, use the debugger to begin creating it. I found it helpful NOT to do that, but to survey *all* the tests first to find out what methods were required and from that to work out what state had to be maintained. On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 at 17:22, Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> wrote: > Hello Ricard O' Keefe > > For my exercism is a way of practising smalltalk and get familair with the > concepts. > So sometimes for me totally new concepts like Double Dispatch. so in your > questions some of the thirth and fourth question. And I try to solve the > challenges like there are real world problems. > > Because Tim like to push me further then sometimes the challenges needed > so I learn new concepts or practice things I already learned. > > I agree totally with you that I always look if existing classes can do the > job before I write my own objects. > > The problem that I faced is that I not always see which objects I need and > what the responsibility is. > > Right now my thoughts are this : > > RobotTests they contain all the tests. > Robot . Responsibility for keeping track of what the position is and which > direction it faces. > Direction. Responsibility for calculating a new position or a new > direction the robot faces. > > Thanks for you suggestion to solve it first in a language that im familiar > with but I not so familiair with a langugae I can solve "all" the > problems. Because smalltalk is OO I sometimes look at ruby code to see > how they solve things. > > Roelof > > > > > > Op 25-4-2019 om 06:23 schreef Richard O'Keefe: > > PS: in this thread nobody has disagreed about what OO programming is. > The disagreement was about *how to apply it*. > There actually seems to be quite a lot of agreement that the > answer depends on what your underlying goal is: > - is this throw-away code for a specific problem? > - is this code to be included in a useful program? > - is this just for practice in an unfamiliar language > where you already understand all the concepts? > - is this for learning about radically new concepts? > And everyone agrees that test cases are good for all of these. > > You might find it useful to join another exercism thread and > solve some of these problems in a language that you are > comfortable with, then solve them in Smalltalk (or Ruby). > This will help to separate "how do I solve this problem?" > from "how do I express this solution in language X?" > Another thing you might find useful, having solved a > problem, is to try to solve it a different way. > > For example, in a functional language, you might solve a > problem first in a C-like way using mutable objects freely. > Then you might solve it again using immutable values. > And then you might solve it again using higher-order functions. > And then you might solve it again using point-free style as > much as you can. > > For another example, in R, or Fortran 90, or Matlab, you > might solve a problem first in an element-at-a-time way, > and then you might try it again using vectorisation to > eliminate as many loops as you can. > > And in *this* example, don't suppose that there is One Right > Way To Do It. Get ONE solution going. ANY solution. I would > suggest my approach, because (a) of course I would, and (b) it > really is a struggle with exercism to find out what the problem > actually is, and you want to get to SOME solution quickly. But > it doesn't matter so much, because the point is to try it MORE > ways than one. This is one way to learn design. Try more than > one approach and discover which ones work out better. > > I started out using Point. Then I tried again just using bare > coordinates. I started with position and velocity as instance > variables. Then I tried again with them as method temporaries. > I eliminated one thing after another until I was left with > obviously correct code, and I felt no shame in using > #caseOf: to classify characters, even though there are books > that will tell you that using "if" and "case" is anti-OO. > I could do it again eliminating #caseOf: in terms of "if" if > I saw any value in doing so. > > In this particular exercise, you are simulating > ONE instance (the robot) of ONE kind of thing (Robots). > That strongly suggests that your solution might have > ONE class: Robot, or perhaps TWO: Robot and RobotTest. > That's the one active thing. > > This thing has properties: where it is and which way it > is going. Now from the point of view of differential > geometry, points and directions are different things and > live in different abstract spaces, so I would have a lot > of sympathy for having two classes: Place (x,y) and > Direction (dx,dy) with #turnLeft and #turnRight as > operations on Direction and > place plus: distance in: direction > as an operation on Place returning a new Place. > But a good programmer is a lazy programmer, and > looks for existing code to use. And the classic > Point class in Smalltalk combines Place and Direction > in one "two-dimensional vector" concept, originally > designed for 2D computer graphics rather than > geometry. It's good enough, and Smalltalk programmers > can be expected to know that Point exists (just as Java > programmers can be expected to know about Java's point > classes), so I'd use it. > > So now, from one mind, we have designs with > 1 Robot > 2 Robot, RobotTest > 3 Robot, RobotTest, Point > 4 Robot, RobotTest, Place, Direction > classes. ANY of them could be defended as a good design, > depending on what the ultimate aim is. > > > >

April 30, 2019

Why doesn't the VM command line help show the useful image commands anymore?

by Tim Mackinnon

I was asked a question about starting pharo exercism from the command line on Arch linux - seems the Pharo.image file isnât being found (but it was installed with AUR, which I am unfamiliar with). Anyway - I tried using the command line on OSX ( I noticed they had used pharo, and not pharo-ui â which I never understood: why is it not pharo for ui and pharo-cmd for terminal, as it burns most people?) - and typed âpharo âhelpâ, and you get an impressive long list of commands - however it doesnât show you the useful Image commands anymore? So you would never know to use âpharo Pharo.image âlistâ. A while back it showed you that - but its now gone which seems a shame? I also notice at the bottom of the list, its says the the image name defaults to Pharo.image - however I havenât noticed that works at all - you have to specify an image, so thats a bit misleading. Tim

April 29, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini -also in 7.03

by TedVanGaalen

Crying victory too soon: Alas, it happened again pharo screen frozen, partly drawn, when going to full screen ( see image.) frustrating. The strange thing however: the Seaside/Zinc server kept running that is: I could enter and save data in in my test app running in the web browser! No idea why. TedvG <http://forum.world.st/file/t230630/Screen_Shot_2019-04-29_at_20.png> -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

April 29, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] Getting example images - https://picsum.photos

by Paul DeBruicker

I forgot the "ext" query parameter which gives the image urls so ZnClient new systemPolicy; forJsonREST; url: 'https://uinames.com/api'; queryAt: #region put: #germany; queryAt: #gender put: #female; queryAt:#ext put: nil; get. -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

April 29, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] Getting example images - https://picsum.photos

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Ah, also quite interesting. With the latest Zn loaded: Metacello new repository: 'github://svenvc/zinc/repository'; baseline: 'ZincHTTPComponents'; load. You can do: ZnClient new systemPolicy; forJsonREST; url: 'https://uinames.com/api'; queryAt: #region put: #germany; queryAt: #gender put: #female; get. >>> a Dictionary('gender'->'female' 'name'->'Fabienne' 'region'->'Germany' 'surname'->'Schuster' ) > On 29 Apr 2019, at 20:03, Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > https://uinames.com/ > > > The api is a GET e.g. > > https://uinames.com/api?region=germany&gender=female > > > & returns JSON with image url and plausible name among other things. > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >

April 29, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] Getting example images - https://picsum.photos

by Paul DeBruicker

https://uinames.com/ The api is a GET e.g. https://uinames.com/api?region=germany&gender=female & returns JSON with image url and plausible name among other things. -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

April 29, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] Getting example images - https://picsum.photos

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Perfect, I should have looked at the list of available images ... great catch. > On 29 Apr 2019, at 18:42, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas <offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> wrote: > > Pretty cool! > > This is how you get a Pharo image working, with pun intended ;-): > > http://ws.stfx.eu/7WN9SG9YBB6E > > <hopdbmfikdhjmimg.png> > > Cheers, > > Offray > > On 29/04/19 6:23 a. m., Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: >> Hi, >> >> This is a cool service: >> https://picsum.photos >> - it gives you example images (pictures/photos). >> >> Here is how you can use this from a standard Pharo image (no pun intended). >> >> ZnEasy getJpeg: ' >> https://picsum.photos/512 >> '. >> >> ImageReadWriter formFromStream: (ZnClient new >> systemPolicy; >> url: ' >> https://picsum.photos/640/480?grayscale >> '; >> accept: ZnMimeType imagePng; >> get) readStream. >> >> Sven >> >> >> >>

April 29, 2019