April 2019 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] Why are package tags not proper sub-packages?

by Tim Mackinnon

I chatted with guys about this - and it turns out that I was thinking of packages as if they were projects, however in reality we are waiting for a proper âprojectâ model (this is what Cargo - whoâs new name Iâve forgotten - is all about). So I should promote my use of tags up to proper packages and for now âprefixâ my packages with a project name. This might explain why when you create a unit test , it creates an automatic top level package (and not a tag), which has often confused me in the past. Iâm still a bit unsure what tags would then be used for in a world with projects. But it seems that the guidance is to think projects / packages (not baseline/package/tags) Tim Sent from my iPhone > On 20 Apr 2019, at 00:15, Tim Mackinnon <tim(a)testit.works> wrote: > > Well I guess most usages are âload 3rd party baselineâ and you donât really care who owns the extension methods (all the sub-tags are normally part of the parent project anyway). > > If you do add any extensions to that project, you probably also donât notice they donât show up in any tags of the classes you extend (only in the containing project). Itâs subtle but probably doesnât affect execution, just readability. > > Tim > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 19 Apr 2019, at 18:10, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: >> >> If that's the case, this sounds like a huge problem. I'm surprised no one >> has reported it already. > >

April 22, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] A4BP and BpmFlow

by Smalltalk

Norbert, > yes, Iâm interested, too, in how we can get a workflow engine and a simple reification of a workflow model that can be used in a lot of scenarios. Can list some scenarios to tell you if BpmFlow can do it ? BpmFlow can be integrated to regular Business Applications to add workflow capabilities to regular Applications. I'm working on one of this type of application right now (the documentation is being developed now so you will find some holes on it- after i finish the application i will finish the documentation). Check: https://bpmflow.gitbook.io/project/engineering-models/architecture-for-atop… > That is something Iâm working on. In the IoT space this will become very important. We will have devices attached to a network that need to work together in a workflow scenario to solve a problem. We have the prerequisites for this, bringing devices into a network and manage them centrally. In the mid-term I want to use a workflow engine that can be adjusted to these needs. In this case i think that devices will send information using services and the Workflow (on the server) will centralize that operation. I do not see any problem here but the definition of the Workflow itself. For example opening a Bank account from the mobile. This workflow will have to connect to different third parties applications through services. regards bruno

April 22, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] A4BP and BpmFlow

by Smalltalk

> I also thing we need to do it Â« a la smalltalk Â» and consider workflow split over multiples images. Does A4BP or BPM flow manage that ? What exactly do you want to split over multiple images ? It can be only applied to parallel tasks. 1) The execution of the workflow ? Task1 executed by VM1, Task2 executed by VM2 and so on ... 2) Task Assignment for different users ?Â Suppose there are 4 parallel task to be done in a workflow these task are split to different VMs. 3) Add here any other options to split over multiple VMs. BpmFlow does not support 1) for ScriptTasks, i think for this you will need a master VM to orchestrate the execution. Definitely 2) is supported, on the same BPM Process different user tasks can be executed by different VMs (remember Bpm Flow run on GemStone, it should be ported to Pharo first). I talking about a Frontoffice application here (different from case 1) where at the same time different users can take an available task (of the same BPM Process) to finish and eventually these tasks can be served by a different VMs. Actually 1) can be implemented in BpmFlow without a master VM. Let suppose that a one point N Script Tasks (long and complex scripts) are generated in the same BPM Process. Those Script Tasks can be put on a RcCollection (or a table if you use a RDB) and multiple VMs can access that collection and execute tasks. I just added this an issue: https://github.com/brunobuzzi/BpmFlow/issues/845 Bpm Flow does something like this for Timer Events (events collection can be accessed by multiple VMs): https://bpmflow.gitbook.io/project/functional-and-technical-information/tim… Regards, Bruno

April 22, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] A4BP and BpmFlow

by Serge Stinckwich

On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 9:24 PM BrunoBB <smalltalk(a)adinet.com.uy> wrote: > Serge, > > I just created another thread to talk about both projects (we can discuss > all here as Norbert request): > A4BP > https://github.com/A4BP > BpmFlow > https://github.com/brunobuzzi/BpmFlow > > Hi Bruno, I explained a little what is AB4P in another thread. My original question was that maybe we can combine our effort to have more impact. -- Serge Stinckwic h Int. Research Unit on Modelling/Simulation of Complex Systems (UMMISCO) Sorbonne University (SU) French National Research Institute for Sustainable Development (IRD) U niversity of YaoundÃ© I, Cameroun "Programs must be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute." https://twitter.com/SergeStinckwich

April 21, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] A4BP and BpmFlow

by Serge Stinckwich

On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 10:03 AM CÃ©drick BÃ©ler <cdrick65(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I cannot run the A4BP (Pharo 4 app) on osx. > > Yes you are right, we need to update the software to a more recent of Pharo. > Btw, what is the link between Kendrick and A4BP > https://github.com/A4BP/A4BP > There is no relationship, I guess we reuse the template of the Kendrick project for this one. I fix the README file. A4BP is a BPMN engine built originally by Alvaro Jose Peralta. With A4BP, you can download a BPMN file, do a simulation with BPMSim and assess various aspects (static, dynamic) of a business process. There is some limited support for Process Mining also. We use Roassal to assess visually processes. We made a publication where we use A4BP to assess rescue processes after a disaster in 2015: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-319-24399-3_14 http://bergel.eu/MyPapers/Alva15-ISCRAM.pdf Regards, -- Serge Stinckwic h Int. Research Unit on Modelling/Simulation of Complex Systems (UMMISCO) Sorbonne University (SU) French National Research Institute for Sustainable Development (IRD) U niversity of YaoundÃ© I, Cameroun "Programs must be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute." https://twitter.com/SergeStinckwich

April 21, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] A4BP and BpmFlow

by Norbert Hartl

Hi, yes, Iâm interested, too, in how we can get a workflow engine and a simple reification of a workflow model that can be used in a lot of scenarios. > Am 21.04.2019 um 10:57 schrieb CÃ©drick BÃ©ler <cdrick65(a)gmail.com>: > > Hi, > > Iâm also very interested in BP/Workflow apps. > > First to show my students what is a BPM systemâ¦ but also to manage my personal routines (and more). > > I find NewWave very nice. I have to dig into BPMFlow and A4BP as I donât know them (nice document section btw). So thanks for bringing that up. > > I also thing we need to do it Â« a la smalltalk Â» and consider workflow split over multiples images. Does A4BP or BPM flow manage that ? That is something Iâm working on. In the IoT space this will become very important. We will have devices attached to a network that need to work together in a workflow scenario to solve a problem. We have the prerequisites for this, bringing devices into a network and manage them centrally. In the mid-term I want to use a workflow engine that can be adjusted to these needs. Norbert > > I add the two other links to others BP/Workflow pharo implementations (NewWave and Workflow*): > > ** the one of Sebastijan > https://github.com/skaplar/NewWave (include TaskIt processes which is cool) > => I like it a lot. That is their first implementation and they have plans so it will be actively improved (sebatijarn may say more). > ** the one of NetStyle > https://github.com/Netstyle/Workflow (but quite dependent on Seaside/Magritte UI - not TaskIt). > https://github.com/cdrick65/Workflow (some modifications we didi so that it loads). > > > Cheers, > > CÃ©drik > > * Iâm not the developer of them at all. Just following, testing. > >> Le 20 avr. 2019 Ã 23:32, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> a Ã©crit : >> >> Haha, I confused myself. Forget the last mail >> >> Norbert >> >>> Am 20.04.2019 um 23:31 schrieb Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: >>> >>> Can you elaborate a bit. There is plenty of stuff to find in the links below. I could not even find the NewWave >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Norbert >>> >>>> Am 20.04.2019 um 22:23 schrieb BrunoBB <smalltalk(a)adinet.com.uy>: >>>> >>>> Serge, >>>> >>>> I just created another thread to talk about both projects (we can discuss >>>> all here as Norbert request): >>>> A4BP >>>> https://github.com/A4BP >>>> BpmFlow >>>> https://github.com/brunobuzzi/BpmFlow >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Bruno >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >>>> >> >> > >

April 21, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] A4BP and BpmFlow

by CÃ©drick BÃ©ler

I cannot run the A4BP (Pharo 4 app) on osx. Btw, what is the link between Kendrick and A4BP https://github.com/A4BP/A4BP TIA, CÃ©drick > Le 21 avr. 2019 Ã 10:57, CÃ©drick BÃ©ler <cdrick65(a)gmail.com> a Ã©crit : > > Hi, > > Iâm also very interested in BP/Workflow apps. > > First to show my students what is a BPM systemâ¦ but also to manage my personal routines (and more). > > I find NewWave very nice. I have to dig into BPMFlow and A4BP as I donât know them (nice document section btw). So thanks for bringing that up. > > I also thing we need to do it Â« a la smalltalk Â» and consider workflow split over multiples images. Does A4BP or BPM flow manage that ? > > I add the two other links to others BP/Workflow pharo implementations (NewWave and Workflow*): > > ** the one of Sebastijan > https://github.com/skaplar/NewWave (include TaskIt processes which is cool) > => I like it a lot. That is their first implementation and they have plans so it will be actively improved (sebatijarn may say more). > ** the one of NetStyle > https://github.com/Netstyle/Workflow (but quite dependent on Seaside/Magritte UI - not TaskIt). > https://github.com/cdrick65/Workflow (some modifications we didi so that it loads). > > > Cheers, > > CÃ©drik > > * Iâm not the developer of them at all. Just following, testing. > >> Le 20 avr. 2019 Ã 23:32, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> a Ã©crit : >> >> Haha, I confused myself. Forget the last mail >> >> Norbert >> >>> Am 20.04.2019 um 23:31 schrieb Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: >>> >>> Can you elaborate a bit. There is plenty of stuff to find in the links below. I could not even find the NewWave >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Norbert >>> >>>> Am 20.04.2019 um 22:23 schrieb BrunoBB <smalltalk(a)adinet.com.uy>: >>>> >>>> Serge, >>>> >>>> I just created another thread to talk about both projects (we can discuss >>>> all here as Norbert request): >>>> A4BP >>>> https://github.com/A4BP >>>> BpmFlow >>>> https://github.com/brunobuzzi/BpmFlow >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Bruno >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >>>> >> >> >

April 21, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] A4BP and BpmFlow

by CÃ©drick BÃ©ler

Hi, Iâm also very interested in BP/Workflow apps. First to show my students what is a BPM systemâ¦ but also to manage my personal routines (and more). I find NewWave very nice. I have to dig into BPMFlow and A4BP as I donât know them (nice document section btw). So thanks for bringing that up. I also thing we need to do it Â« a la smalltalk Â» and consider workflow split over multiples images. Does A4BP or BPM flow manage that ? I add the two other links to others BP/Workflow pharo implementations (NewWave and Workflow*): ** the one of Sebastijan https://github.com/skaplar/NewWave (include TaskIt processes which is cool) => I like it a lot. That is their first implementation and they have plans so it will be actively improved (sebatijarn may say more). ** the one of NetStyle https://github.com/Netstyle/Workflow (but quite dependent on Seaside/Magritte UI - not TaskIt). https://github.com/cdrick65/Workflow (some modifications we didi so that it loads). Cheers, CÃ©drik * Iâm not the developer of them at all. Just following, testing. > Le 20 avr. 2019 Ã 23:32, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> a Ã©crit : > > Haha, I confused myself. Forget the last mail > > Norbert > >> Am 20.04.2019 um 23:31 schrieb Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: >> >> Can you elaborate a bit. There is plenty of stuff to find in the links below. I could not even find the NewWave >> >> Thanks, >> >> Norbert >> >>> Am 20.04.2019 um 22:23 schrieb BrunoBB <smalltalk(a)adinet.com.uy>: >>> >>> Serge, >>> >>> I just created another thread to talk about both projects (we can discuss >>> all here as Norbert request): >>> A4BP >>> https://github.com/A4BP >>> BpmFlow >>> https://github.com/brunobuzzi/BpmFlow >>> >>> Regards, >>> Bruno >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >>> > >

April 21, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] A4BP and BpmFlow

by Norbert Hartl

Haha, I confused myself. Forget the last mail Norbert > Am 20.04.2019 um 23:31 schrieb Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: > > Can you elaborate a bit. There is plenty of stuff to find in the links below. I could not even find the NewWave > > Thanks, > > Norbert > >> Am 20.04.2019 um 22:23 schrieb BrunoBB <smalltalk(a)adinet.com.uy>: >> >> Serge, >> >> I just created another thread to talk about both projects (we can discuss >> all here as Norbert request): >> A4BP >> https://github.com/A4BP >> BpmFlow >> https://github.com/brunobuzzi/BpmFlow >> >> Regards, >> Bruno >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >>

April 20, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] A4BP and BpmFlow

by Norbert Hartl

Can you elaborate a bit. There is plenty of stuff to find in the links below. I could not even find the NewWave Thanks, Norbert > Am 20.04.2019 um 22:23 schrieb BrunoBB <smalltalk(a)adinet.com.uy>: > > Serge, > > I just created another thread to talk about both projects (we can discuss > all here as Norbert request): > A4BP > https://github.com/A4BP > BpmFlow > https://github.com/brunobuzzi/BpmFlow > > Regards, > Bruno > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >

April 20, 2019