December 2019 - Pharo-users

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] TaskIt

by Santiago Bragagnolo

El mar., 17 dic. 2019 a las 9:40, Norbert Hartl (<norbert(a)hartl.name>) escribiÃ³: > Hi, > > > Am 16.12.2019 um 11:41 schrieb Santiago Bragagnolo < > santiagobragagnolo(a)gmail.com>: > > > > ï»¿ > > Hi everybody! > > We are starting to discuss with norbert about letting taskit to leave > my incubator (my github account to go elsewhere). I have being thinking > about it since long time, since i would like it to allow taskit to evolve > into more than just my needs and wishes. > > > > The sidequestion i am bringing today it may seem (or even be) almost > scholastic at this point, but i think it should have some space. > > The question is if to move it to pharo-contributions, or if to create > a new pharo-processing. > > > I was asking this myself for a long time. Then I just started to move > things to pharo-contributions because I could not come up with a better > idea. Iâm not convinced that having more organizations on github will help. > > > During the ESUG i came up with the idea/feeling/etc that it would be > nice to have a group of people interested into processing (as hobby, duty, > etc) for being able to push further this project and what-ever-other > related project. > > During the conference i addressed norbert, tomohiro, mariano, matteo, > guille, pablo, noury, (people for whom processing directly or indirectly is > a primary concern) and i think there is even more people interested in this > kind of general problematic, for what i sensed specially during my esug > presentation. I think that to build a kind of team or group for discussing > and working on this subject is a step in a direction that search to solve > many modern daily problems that pushes us out of larger models of business > and interaction (cloud and derivatives). Having this points in mind i think > that the choice of this new github project could be a good point to start a > to work on this goal (as a first place of gathering). > > > I personally wouldnât do it from the start. Usually this is kind of a > premature optimization to put groups and permissions and all of that on the > table. > If it comes to groups it comes to permissions and the management of them. > You might try to solve a problem that might not even have. But you put the > burden of managing memberships and permissions and that prevents > collaboration to some extent > > So my golden rule to this is that if you donât have real good reason to > add something like this organization, just donât. Wait until there is a > problem. At that point you know what problem you have and you might have an > appropriate idea how to solve it. This is very hard to do a priori. > wowowo, i never spoke about memberships nor access, it would be a nice reason to me to not do it hahahaha. I am speaking only about drawing a box where we put the discussions on processing. Ii am naming people is just to remark the fact that there is people not only interested on this, but also working on this, meaning that to have a place for having this punctual disussions could be nice (just as a way of organising the discussions and having only informtion relevant to the processing thing. Still, i am aware that when we organise like this we are not organising for that, losing some freedom, and adding a complexity when gathering general information). What if we have links to all the groups in Pharo-project (pharo-misc, pharo-processing, pharo-robotics, pharo-web) ? I can do the firsts steps if we agree in here. > But we need indeed a general approach how to handle that. Every time > someone asks me to be added to pharo-contributions Iâm thinking about if > the setup is ok. > > Norbert > > > Still, i would like to hear other's opinion, in order to be able to > deal with this maybe before new year :). > > > > Thanks for your time and reading :) > > > > Santiago > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Dec. 17, 2019

[ANN] Next Pharo Sprint: Dec 20

by Marcus Denker

We will organize a Pharo sprint / Moose dojo Dec 20, starting at 10:00am. (Local Time Paris). Goals of this sprint: - Pharo 8: Fix issues from tracker https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues <https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/issues> Remote Sprint: Remotely, you can join us on Discord. During the sprint, we synchronize local and remote Pharo sprinters: http://pharo.org/contribute-events <http://pharo.org/contribute-events> We have added a Board to coordinate the work: https://github.com/orgs/pharo-project/projects/9 <https://github.com/orgs/pharo-project/projects/9> Known Local Sprint meetings - Lille/France: It will be at the Inria Lille, Building B, third floor (RMoD offices). As the building is not open to the public, please contact us before if you plan to come A list of all Pharo Event of the year an be found here: https://association.pharo.org/events <https://association.pharo.org/events>

Dec. 17, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] TaskIt

by Norbert Hartl

Hi, > Am 16.12.2019 um 11:41 schrieb Santiago Bragagnolo <santiagobragagnolo(a)gmail.com>: > > ï»¿ > Hi everybody! > We are starting to discuss with norbert about letting taskit to leave my incubator (my github account to go elsewhere). I have being thinking about it since long time, since i would like it to allow taskit to evolve into more than just my needs and wishes. > > The sidequestion i am bringing today it may seem (or even be) almost scholastic at this point, but i think it should have some space. > The question is if to move it to pharo-contributions, or if to create a new pharo-processing. > I was asking this myself for a long time. Then I just started to move things to pharo-contributions because I could not come up with a better idea. Iâm not convinced that having more organizations on github will help. > During the ESUG i came up with the idea/feeling/etc that it would be nice to have a group of people interested into processing (as hobby, duty, etc) for being able to push further this project and what-ever-other related project. > During the conference i addressed norbert, tomohiro, mariano, matteo, guille, pablo, noury, (people for whom processing directly or indirectly is a primary concern) and i think there is even more people interested in this kind of general problematic, for what i sensed specially during my esug presentation. I think that to build a kind of team or group for discussing and working on this subject is a step in a direction that search to solve many modern daily problems that pushes us out of larger models of business and interaction (cloud and derivatives). Having this points in mind i think that the choice of this new github project could be a good point to start a to work on this goal (as a first place of gathering). > I personally wouldnât do it from the start. Usually this is kind of a premature optimization to put groups and permissions and all of that on the table. If it comes to groups it comes to permissions and the management of them. You might try to solve a problem that might not even have. But you put the burden of managing memberships and permissions and that prevents collaboration to some extent So my golden rule to this is that if you donât have real good reason to add something like this organization, just donât. Wait until there is a problem. At that point you know what problem you have and you might have an appropriate idea how to solve it. This is very hard to do a priori. But we need indeed a general approach how to handle that. Every time someone asks me to be added to pharo-contributions Iâm thinking about if the setup is ok. Norbert > Still, i would like to hear other's opinion, in order to be able to deal with this maybe before new year :). > > Thanks for your time and reading :) > > Santiago > > > > >

Dec. 17, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] sot of mentor help (second time asking)

by Roelof Wobben

Dec. 16, 2019

Re: [Pharo-users] sot of mentor help (second time asking)

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hello, I donât think anyone will answer positively this kind of question (mentoring is time consuming, and requires a dedication probably nobody can take) :) But what you can do is to ask direct questions, those ones we are always happy to answer, here or in discord channel. Cheers, Esteban > On 16 Dec 2019, at 13:56, Roelof Wobben via Pharo-users <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: > > > From: Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> > Subject: Re: sot of mentor help (second time asking) > Date: 16 December 2019 at 13:56:15 CET > To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> > > > Pity that no one answers. > > Is it a possibility to ask for feedback for the ones that I can solve and ask for some pointers for the one I have no clue how to solve them. > > So anyone who can and is willing to help me can respond. > > Roelof > > > > Op 12-12-2019 om 19:11 schreef Roelof Wobben: >> Hello, >> >> do not know if this is the right channel but is there someone or some book which can help me learn how to approach complex problems like the AdventOfCode challenges , I try that but im stuck because most of the time I have the feeling I choose a difficult solution where some easier one exist. >> or I have a very bad plan >> that is a wall I hit many times with my languages and I need a way to get out of it and make a step further with Pharo >> >> I ask earlier and somone volunteeed and I hope he or another person would help me. >> With the earlier volunteeer it did not work because I m not always understand him/her and want to apolize for that and the way I ended it. it was not a nice way. >> >> Regards, >> >> Roelof > > >

Dec. 16, 2019

Re: sot of mentor help (second time asking)

by Roelof Wobben

Dec. 16, 2019

TaskIt

by Santiago Bragagnolo

Hi everybody! We are starting to discuss with norbert about letting taskit to leave my incubator (my github account to go elsewhere). I have being thinking about it since long time, since i would like it to allow taskit to evolve into more than just my needs and wishes. The sidequestion i am bringing today it may seem (or even be) almost scholastic at this point, but i think it should have some space. The question is if to move it to pharo-contributions, or if to create a new pharo-processing. During the ESUG i came up with the idea/feeling/etc that it would be nice to have a group of people interested into processing (as hobby, duty, etc) for being able to push further this project and what-ever-other related project. During the conference i addressed norbert, tomohiro, mariano, matteo, guille, pablo, noury, (people for whom processing directly or indirectly is a primary concern) and i think there is even more people interested in this kind of general problematic, for what i sensed specially during my esug presentation. I think that to build a kind of team or group for discussing and working on this subject is a step in a direction that search to solve many modern daily problems that pushes us out of larger models of business and interaction (cloud and derivatives). Having this points in mind i think that the choice of this new github project could be a good point to start a to work on this goal (as a first place of gathering). Still, i would like to hear other's opinion, in order to be able to deal with this maybe before new year :). Thanks for your time and reading :) Santiago

Dec. 16, 2019

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Grouper

by Alexandre Bergel

Pretty cool! Alexandre http://bergel.eu > Le 9 dÃ©c. 2019 Ã 11:10, Julien Delplanque <julien.delplanque(a)inria.fr> a Ã©crit : > > ï»¿ > Hello, > > I made a small library that reify grouping (that one does via #groupBy: usually): Grouper https://github.com/juliendelplanque/Grouper > > It is designed in the same spirit as SortFunction, but for grouping. > > Quick example: > > The following code snippet using Grouper: > > (10 to: 50) groupUsing: [ :integer | integer asString first ]. > "an OrderedDictionary( > $1->#(10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19) > $2->#(20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29) > $3->#(30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39) > $4->#(40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49) > $5->#(50))" > is equivalent to the following code snippet using built-in #groupedBy: method: > > (10 to: 50) groupedBy: [ :integer | integer asString first ] > "an OrderedDictionary( > $1->#(10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19) > $2->#(20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29) > $3->#(30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39) > $4->#(40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49) > $5->#(50))" > The advantage of using it is that it allows one to compose grouper objects. > > Thus, it is easy to describe grouping on 2 or 3 levels. > > Fore example: > > The power of Grouper is that group description are first-class objects. Thus, it is possible to compose group descriptions in order to group a flat collection on multiple levels. > > For example: > > groupComposition := [ :integer | integer asString first ] grouper , [ :integer | integer asString second ]. > (10 to: 50) groupUsing: groupComposition. > "an OrderedDictionary( > $1->an OrderedDictionary( > $0->#(10) $1->#(11) $2->#(12) $3->#(13) $4->#(14) $5->#(15) $6->#(16) $7->#(17) $8->#(18) $9->#(19)) > $2->an OrderedDictionary( > $0->#(20) $1->#(21) $2->#(22) $3->#(23) $4->#(24) $5->#(25) $6->#(26) $7->#(27) $8->#(28) $9->#(29)) > $3->an OrderedDictionary( > $0->#(30) $1->#(31) $2->#(32) $3->#(33) $4->#(34) $5->#(35) $6->#(36) $7->#(37) $8->#(38) $9->#(39)) > $4->an OrderedDictionary( > $0->#(40) $1->#(41) $2->#(42) $3->#(43) $4->#(44) $5->#(45) $6->#(46) $7->#(47) $8->#(48) $9->#(49)) > $5->an OrderedDictionary($0->#(50)))" > On the github, there are more example showing how to build trees with custom objects. > > Any feedback for this library is welcome. > > I would like to propose it to Pharo in the near future because it would simplify a lot of code in DrTests (related to result tree views, the tree on the right of the UI). > > I don't know if it will be possible before next release as we are in feature freeze. > > Cheers, > > Julien

Dec. 15, 2019

The T-shirts are a hit!

by Richard Kenneth Eng

This is from one of the JRMPC teams: [image: received.jpg] Wear 'em proud! R

Dec. 15, 2019

The T-shirts are a hit!

by Richard Kenneth Eng

This is from the team at Woodbridge College in Woodbridge, Ontario: [image: received.jpg] Wear 'em proud! R

Dec. 15, 2019