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Re: [Pharo-users] How to fix the Pharo launcher Windows installation! (WAS: Windows installation broken?)

by Vincent.Blondeau＠lamresearch.com

From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of Sean Glazier Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 12:36 To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] How to fix the Pharo launcher Windows installation! (WAS: Windows installation broken?) Do you need more smalltalkers on your team who have real-time control experience? Hi Sean, I have no information about that. One thing you can do is to contact Chris Thorgrimsson (https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-thorgrimsson-33734325/) He will be more knowledgeable to help you. I am working in his team. I would love to contribute. I agree more windows support is needed What you can do is pick any issue here: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-launcher/issues And here is the project to package the applications that I plan to use on the launcher: https://github.com/VincentBlondeau/Cruiser Feel free to submit PRs or new issues! Thanks! Vincent Blondeau My linked in profile is at https://www.linkedin.com/in/seanglazier<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.linkedin.com_in_se…> Sean Glazier On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 3:29 PM <Vincent.Blondeau(a)lamresearch.com<mailto:Vincent.Blondeau@lamresearch.com>> wrote: Hi all, Indeed, the Windows environment is not the one where Pharo is working the best. Last week, I tried to install it on one of my coworker desktop and there was some issues that was solvable with some workarounds, it is temporary and the windows support will be improved soon: Iâm currently working on it, especially on making the Pharo launcher in a read only mode. This way, no administrative privileges will be required to run the launcher. In the meantime, to make the launcher working under Windows: 1. Run with administrative privileges 2. Uncheck: [cid:image001.png@01D406FB.17336870] If you are in a mood to help and contribute to this project (I hope you are!), please report the issues there: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-launcher/issues<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_pharo-2Dpro…> and feel free to suggest some fixes to them :) And please, keep this thread related to Pharoâ¦ Thanks, Vincent Blondeau Software Engineer, Software and Controls | Global Product Group Desk +1 510.572.7499 Lam Research Corporation 4650 Cushing Pkwy, Fremont, CA 94538 USA<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__maps.google.com_-3Fq-3…> | www.lamresearch.com<http://www.lamresearch.com> Connect with Lam Research: Facebook<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.facebook.com_LamRe…> | Twitter<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_lamresearc…> | LinkedIn<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.linkedin.com_compa…> ________________________________ NOTICE: This e-mail transmission may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of any of the information contained in or attached to this message is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender and destroy the original transmission and its attachments without reading them or saving them to disk. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org<mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org>] On Behalf Of horrido Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 15:04 To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org<mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Windows installation broken? This is what concerns me. I don't care that there are workarounds (undocumented or hard to find). I care that Windows is a most popular development platform. I care that newcomers to Pharo easily find what they need to get started. I care about Pharo's reputation. The last thing Pharo needs is a black eye. Travis Ayres wrote > I wonder how many people tried Pharo, thought "Oh this is totally broken" > and are never going to give it a second (or third) chance. > > On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 11:26 AM, > phil@ > < > phil@ > > > wrote: > >> The current website shows the wrong link, the installer for the >> bleeding edge is the wrong one in files. >> The situation on the Windows front is very very bad and not really >> improving. >> >> That being said, the installer on the CI is the right one and works. >> >> so, steal the installer from here: >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ci.inria.fr_phar >> o-2Dci-2D&d=DwICAg&c=RWI7EqL8K9lqtga8KxgfzvOYoob76EZWE0yAO85PVMQ&r=kI >> ZIYXBAA3fhM7P5HOuTC5w6mnEApTfXPTq3lR34ZiY&m=klRHeEtFlmi7VP-TR5D2bSZ_E >> UF1hAdJcuTH4GnReBY&s=xfU91HKFoB5JIZXWRUqBvOkomomuAqWw_gQvBmGRwiw&e= >> jenkins2/job/PharoLauncher >> >> This is the one you want: >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ci.inria.fr_phar >> o-2Dci-2Djenkins2_job_PharoLauncher_&d=DwICAg&c=RWI7EqL8K9lqtga8Kxgfz >> vOYoob76EZWE0yAO85PVMQ&r=kIZIYXBAA3fhM7P5HOuTC5w6mnEApTfXPTq3lR34ZiY& >> m=klRHeEtFlmi7VP-TR5D2bSZ_EUF1hAdJcuTH4GnReBY&s=TsRgHOYVLDp0q9g8BzEb8 >> s8yLy_v32DEMOxtvIcvTOg&e= >> >> For having the latest lastet everything, go to the launcher settings, >> get into the devmode and open monticello and load the latest packages. >> >> Phil -- Kind Regards, Sean Glazier

June 18, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] How to fix the Pharo launcher Windows installation! (WAS: Windows installation broken?)

by Vincent.Blondeau＠lamresearch.com

From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of PBKResearch Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 13:15 To: 'Any question about pharo is welcome' <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] How to fix the Pharo launcher Windows installation! (WAS: Windows installation broken?) Vincent Many thanks - at last a clear explanation of how to get it going. I tried this with the Launcher I downloaded yesterday, and was able to launch the template versions of Pharo 6.1 and Pharo 7. The only problem was that I am not familiar with the Launcher interface, and I had to search around to open the settings menu - but that was my stupidity. Plus I *hate* the dark theme - but that's just my weird taste. Thanks Peter! Maybe, we could add a settings in the pharo launcher options to change the theme. I invite you to open a bug for this ;) So going back to the original post in this thread, with this tweak the Launcher is not broken as regards actually launching images. I have not checked whether it is possible to uninstall it, as I found it was not possible yesterday and Petr Fischer also had difficulty with. At present I do not *want* to uninstall it, so that's OK. AFAIK, the uninstall does not delete all the files. I have not tested it yet, but it will be the next step! All my tests on Windows 10 with all recent updates, on a 64-bit Intel Core i3 processor. Hope this helps Thanks, Vincent Blondeau Peter Kenny From: Pharo-users <pharo-users-bounces(a)lists.pharo.org<mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org>> On Behalf Of Vincent.Blondeau(a)lamresearch.com<mailto:Vincent.Blondeau@lamresearch.com> Sent: 18 June 2018 20:28 To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org<mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] How to fix the Pharo launcher Windows installation! (WAS: Windows installation broken?) Hi all, Indeed, the Windows environment is not the one where Pharo is working the best. Last week, I tried to install it on one of my coworker desktop and there was some issues that was solvable with some workarounds, it is temporary and the windows support will be improved soon: I'm currently working on it, especially on making the Pharo launcher in a read only mode. This way, no administrative privileges will be required to run the launcher. In the meantime, to make the launcher working under Windows: 1. Run with administrative privileges 2. Uncheck: [cid:image001.png@01D406FB.17336870] If you are in a mood to help and contribute to this project (I hope you are!), please report the issues there: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-launcher/issues<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_pharo-2Dpro…> and feel free to suggest some fixes to them :) And please, keep this thread related to Pharo... Thanks, Vincent Blondeau Software Engineer, Software and Controls | Global Product Group Desk +1 510.572.7499 Lam Research Corporation 4650 Cushing Pkwy, Fremont, CA 94538 USA | www.lamresearch.com Connect with Lam Research: Facebook<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.facebook.com_LamRe…> | Twitter<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_lamresearc…> | LinkedIn<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.linkedin.com_compa…> ________________________________ NOTICE: This e-mail transmission may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of any of the information contained in or attached to this message is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender and destroy the original transmission and its attachments without reading them or saving them to disk. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of horrido Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 15:04 To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org<mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Windows installation broken? This is what concerns me. I don't care that there are workarounds (undocumented or hard to find). I care that Windows is a most popular development platform. I care that newcomers to Pharo easily find what they need to get started. I care about Pharo's reputation. The last thing Pharo needs is a black eye. Travis Ayres wrote > I wonder how many people tried Pharo, thought "Oh this is totally broken" > and are never going to give it a second (or third) chance. > > On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 11:26 AM, > phil@ > < > phil@ > > > wrote: > >> The current website shows the wrong link, the installer for the >> bleeding edge is the wrong one in files. >> The situation on the Windows front is very very bad and not really >> improving. >> >> That being said, the installer on the CI is the right one and works. >> >> so, steal the installer from here: >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ci.inria.fr_phar >> o-2Dci-2D&d=DwICAg&c=RWI7EqL8K9lqtga8KxgfzvOYoob76EZWE0yAO85PVMQ&r=kI >> ZIYXBAA3fhM7P5HOuTC5w6mnEApTfXPTq3lR34ZiY&m=klRHeEtFlmi7VP-TR5D2bSZ_E >> UF1hAdJcuTH4GnReBY&s=xfU91HKFoB5JIZXWRUqBvOkomomuAqWw_gQvBmGRwiw&e= >> jenkins2/job/PharoLauncher >> >> This is the one you want: >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ci.inria.fr_phar >> o-2Dci-2Djenkins2_job_PharoLauncher_&d=DwICAg&c=RWI7EqL8K9lqtga8Kxgfz >> vOYoob76EZWE0yAO85PVMQ&r=kIZIYXBAA3fhM7P5HOuTC5w6mnEApTfXPTq3lR34ZiY& >> m=klRHeEtFlmi7VP-TR5D2bSZ_EUF1hAdJcuTH4GnReBY&s=TsRgHOYVLDp0q9g8BzEb8 >> s8yLy_v32DEMOxtvIcvTOg&e= >> >> For having the latest lastet everything, go to the launcher settings, >> get into the devmode and open monticello and load the latest packages. >> >> Phil

June 18, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] How to fix the Pharo launcher Windows installation! (WAS: Windows installation broken?)

by PBKResearch

Vincent Many thanks - at last a clear explanation of how to get it going. I tried this with the Launcher I downloaded yesterday, and was able to launch the template versions of Pharo 6.1 and Pharo 7. The only problem was that I am not familiar with the Launcher interface, and I had to search around to open the settings menu - but that was my stupidity. Plus I *hate* the dark theme - but that's just my weird taste. So going back to the original post in this thread, with this tweak the Launcher is not broken as regards actually launching images. I have not checked whether it is possible to uninstall it, as I found it was not possible yesterday and Petr Fischer also had difficulty with. At present I do not *want* to uninstall it, so that's OK. All my tests on Windows 10 with all recent updates, on a 64-bit Intel Core i3 processor. Hope this helps Peter Kenny From: Pharo-users <pharo-users-bounces(a)lists.pharo.org> On Behalf Of Vincent.Blondeau(a)lamresearch.com Sent: 18 June 2018 20:28 To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] How to fix the Pharo launcher Windows installation! (WAS: Windows installation broken?) Hi all, Indeed, the Windows environment is not the one where Pharo is working the best. Last week, I tried to install it on one of my coworker desktop and there was some issues that was solvable with some workarounds, it is temporary and the windows support will be improved soon: I'm currently working on it, especially on making the Pharo launcher in a read only mode. This way, no administrative privileges will be required to run the launcher. In the meantime, to make the launcher working under Windows: 1. Run with administrative privileges 2. Uncheck: If you are in a mood to help and contribute to this project (I hope you are!), please report the issues there: <https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-launcher/issues> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-launcher/issues and feel free to suggest some fixes to them :) And please, keep this thread related to Pharo. Thanks, Vincent Blondeau Software Engineer, Software and Controls | Global Product Group Desk +1 510.572.7499 Lam Research Corporation 4650 Cushing Pkwy, Fremont, CA 94538 USA | www.lamresearch.com Connect with Lam Research: <https://www.facebook.com/LamResearchCorporation> Facebook | <https://twitter.com/lamresearch> Twitter | <https://www.linkedin.com/company/lam-research> LinkedIn _____ NOTICE: This e-mail transmission may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of any of the information contained in or attached to this message is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender and destroy the original transmission and its attachments without reading them or saving them to disk. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: Pharo-users [ <mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org> mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of horrido Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 15:04 To: <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Windows installation broken? This is what concerns me. I don't care that there are workarounds (undocumented or hard to find). I care that Windows is a most popular development platform. I care that newcomers to Pharo easily find what they need to get started. I care about Pharo's reputation. The last thing Pharo needs is a black eye. Travis Ayres wrote > I wonder how many people tried Pharo, thought "Oh this is totally broken" > and are never going to give it a second (or third) chance. > > On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 11:26 AM, > phil@ > < > phil@ > > > wrote: > >> The current website shows the wrong link, the installer for the >> bleeding edge is the wrong one in files. >> The situation on the Windows front is very very bad and not really >> improving. >> >> That being said, the installer on the CI is the right one and works. >> >> so, steal the installer from here: >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ci.inria.fr_phar> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ci.inria.fr_phar >> o-2Dci-2D&d=DwICAg&c=RWI7EqL8K9lqtga8KxgfzvOYoob76EZWE0yAO85PVMQ&r=kI >> ZIYXBAA3fhM7P5HOuTC5w6mnEApTfXPTq3lR34ZiY&m=klRHeEtFlmi7VP-TR5D2bSZ_E >> UF1hAdJcuTH4GnReBY&s=xfU91HKFoB5JIZXWRUqBvOkomomuAqWw_gQvBmGRwiw&e= >> jenkins2/job/PharoLauncher >> >> This is the one you want: >> >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ci.inria.fr_phar> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ci.inria.fr_phar >> o-2Dci-2Djenkins2_job_PharoLauncher_&d=DwICAg&c=RWI7EqL8K9lqtga8Kxgfz >> vOYoob76EZWE0yAO85PVMQ&r=kIZIYXBAA3fhM7P5HOuTC5w6mnEApTfXPTq3lR34ZiY& >> m=klRHeEtFlmi7VP-TR5D2bSZ_EUF1hAdJcuTH4GnReBY&s=TsRgHOYVLDp0q9g8BzEb8 >> s8yLy_v32DEMOxtvIcvTOg&e= >> >> For having the latest lastet everything, go to the launcher settings, >> get into the devmode and open monticello and load the latest packages. >> >> Phil

June 18, 2018

Nice Pharo teaser in English?

by Andrei Stebakov

I remember there used to be a nice Pharo teaser video at the top of pharo.org which had some catchy images for data visualization etc. Now all I can see is this link https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3qedvo and it's in French. Could someone point me to the old teaser I am referring to? Thanks! Andrei

June 18, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Windows installation broken?

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

Nothing, that's precisely my point! So we don't need to talk about balls size, with the implicit gender assumptions about courage and the "Macho Programmer" way of argumentation, that is toxic in *other* communities for minorities (non white, non cisgender, non male) which usually repeals them for participation. So, yes, lets focus on a better installing Pharo experience on Windows. Cheers, Offray On 18/06/18 13:39, Travis Ayres wrote: > What does not talking like an asshole have to do with being white and > male? > > ...seriously? > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 11:31 AM Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas > <offray.luna(a)mutabit.com <mailto:offray.luna@mutabit.com>> wrote: > > > > On 18/06/18 09:47, Herbert VojÄÃk wrote: >>>> Do you have enough balls to call out Steph for his obviously >>>> wrong decision to push Launcher down the users' throats and >>>> make him revert to working installers / zips? Cause AFAICT >>>> there's the bottleneck atm. >>> >>> First, it was MY decision. >> >> My apologies to blaming Steph. >> >>> Iâm pushing launcher as the default download for Pharo since >>> year now. >>> Do I am happy with it not working on windows right now? Of >>> course not. But pushing it also in windows has already forced us >>> to fix some bugs there and a new version of the launcher (and a >>> better Pharo on windows) and at the result will be good. >>> I was going to suspend the launcher as the default download >>> until a better version arrived, but Iâve been told that will >>> happen this week, so I will wait. >>> >>> Second, we have a lot of bottlenecks, but is true this is >>> important. >>> >>> Third, please restrain your self to talk like that in the >>> future. Is rude and unnecessary. >> >> I won't. Sometimes it seems this kind of talk is needed. Windows >> launcher was not working for so long but it is still pushed as >> the default download option, because "higher goals" I presume. If >> this kind of talk helps to get rid of it until working (or make >> it finally actually work), it is anything but unnecessary. > > I don't see how this "Macho Programmer Culture" mixing genitalia > size with community behavior and admin choices is necessary. But I > see why, for sure, non-(white)-males feel so unwelcome in > developers communities when some members feels such "necessity" of > addressing others with such language and when pointed to that, > just reinforce their choices. > > Best, > > Offray >

June 18, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Windows installation broken?

by Esteban Lorenzano

yes, we have bad support for windows. Period. we try to improve in that, but is hard and takes timeâ¦ there are lots of small details that needs to be taken care in all fronts (from VM to UI, traversing all layers)â¦ but we will get there, one step at a time. And with the help of those in the community with more proximity to the real problem. Esteban > On 18 Jun 2018, at 20:13, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > > I am developing on Windows and using the launcher. > > Also on Linux and macOS. > > In a corp environment, Windows rules. > > So make it work there if you want any traction. > > The laucher now works nicely on Windows. > > But the files are not the right ones on the download page. > > So fixing that will go a long way. > > I have been back on using more mainstream tech and well, stuff works as advertised. > > We are lagging behind on a couple fronts that's what I see. > > > Phil > > > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 20:04 Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name <mailto:norbert@hartl.name>> wrote: > > >> Am 18.06.2018 um 19:19 schrieb horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com <mailto:horrido.hobbies@gmail.com>>: >> >> Developers are users, and many users are developers. >> > Ah, Iâm not sure what value this sentence adds. The point is that the market share you were referring to is users that are not developers. > >> What kind of developers are you counting? Microsoft/Windows/.NET developers >> represent a huge number, especially in the enterprise market. If these >> developers are going to explore alternative tools like Java, Ruby, Pharo, >> Common Lisp, etc., they'll be doing it in Windows. >> >> Developers under macOS are mostly focussed on macOS, iOS, Objective-C, and >> Swift. They are no more predisposed to looking at Pharo than developers >> under Windows. Is this not perfectly logical? >> > Ok, letâs try to other way round. If there are many developers in windows why is the pharo stuff for windows so badly supported? It does indeed mean that either there arenât many or they lack the expertise (or are too lazy) to improve stuff in pharo. And donât tell me you count the windows developers that are driven away from a user program like PharoLauncher that is not working properly. > > Norbert >> >> NorbertHartl wrote >>>> Am 18.06.2018 um 16:16 schrieb horrido < >> >>> horrido.hobbies@ >> >>> >: >>>> >>>> Lack of enough Windows users? What platform are most Pharoers using? >>>> >>>> I'm using macOS, but this platform has only about 12% market share. Linux >>>> has about 2%. >>>> >>> Your mixing users and developers. I donât have numbers but Iâm pretty sure >>> if you count developers windows does not have that big of a market share. >>> For squeak/pharo especially I guess Mac was always the preferred platform. >>> >>> Norbert >>>> >>>> Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote >>>>>> On 18 Jun 2018, at 15:39, Herbert VojÄÃk < >>>> >>>>> herby@ >>>> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> horrido wrote on 18. 6. 2018 0:04: >>>>>>> This is what concerns me. I don't care that there are workarounds >>>>>>> (undocumented or hard to find). >>>>>>> I care that Windows is a most popular development platform. I care >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> newcomers to Pharo easily find what they need to get started. I care >>>>>>> about >>>>>>> Pharo's reputation. >>>>>>> The last thing Pharo needs is a black eye. >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you have enough balls to call out Steph for his obviously wrong >>>>>> decision to push Launcher down the users' throats and make him revert >>>>>> to >>>>>> working installers / zips? Cause AFAICT there's the bottleneck atm. >>>>> >>>>> The problem is the lack of enough Windows users and especially >>>>> developers >>>>> who can fix Windows problems. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html <http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html <http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html>

June 18, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] How to fix the Pharo launcher Windows installation! (WAS: Windows installation broken?)

by Sean Glazier

Do you need more smalltalkers on your team who have real-time control experience? I would love to contribute. I agree more windows support is needed My linked in profile is at https://www.linkedin.com/in/seanglazier Sean Glazier On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 3:29 PM <Vincent.Blondeau(a)lamresearch.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > > > Indeed, the Windows environment is not the one where Pharo is working the > best. Last week, I tried to install it on one of my coworker desktop and > there was some issues that was solvable with some workarounds, it is > temporary and the windows support will be improved soon: Iâm currently > working on it, especially on making the Pharo launcher in a read only mode. > This way, no administrative privileges will be required to run the launcher. > > > > In the meantime, to make the launcher working under Windows: > > > > 1. Run with administrative privileges > 2. Uncheck: [image: cid:image001.png@01D406FB.17336870] > > > > If you are in a mood to help and contribute to this project (I hope you > are!), please report the issues there: > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-launcher/issues and feel free to > suggest some fixes to them :) > > > > And please, keep this thread related to Pharoâ¦ > > > > Thanks, > > > > > *Vincent Blondeau *Software Engineer, Software and Controls | Global > Product Group > Desk +1 510.572.7499 > > > > *Lam Research Corporation *4650 Cushing Pkwy, Fremont, CA 94538 USA > <https://maps.google.com/?q=4650+Cushing+Pkwy,+Fremont,+CA+94538+USA&entry=g…> > | www.lamresearch.com > Connect with Lam Research: Facebook > <https://www.facebook.com/LamResearchCorporation> | Twitter > <https://twitter.com/lamresearch> | LinkedIn > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/lam-research> > > ------------------------------ > > > > NOTICE: This e-mail transmission may contain confidential information. If > you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering > it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, > copying, distribution or use of any of the information contained in or > attached to this message is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this > transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender and destroy the > original transmission and its attachments without reading them or saving > them to disk. Thank you. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf > Of horrido > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 15:04 > To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Windows installation broken? > > > > This is what concerns me. I don't care that there are workarounds > (undocumented or hard to find). > > > > I care that Windows is a most popular development platform. I care that > newcomers to Pharo easily find what they need to get started. I care about > Pharo's reputation. > > > > The last thing Pharo needs is a black eye. > > > > > > Travis Ayres wrote > > > I wonder how many people tried Pharo, thought "Oh this is totally broken" > > > and are never going to give it a second (or third) chance. > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 11:26 AM, > > > > > phil@ > > > > > < > > > > > phil@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> The current website shows the wrong link, the installer for the > > >> bleeding edge is the wrong one in files. > > >> The situation on the Windows front is very very bad and not really > > >> improving. > > >> > > >> That being said, the installer on the CI is the right one and works. > > >> > > >> so, steal the installer from here: > > >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ci.inria.fr_phar > > >> o-2Dci-2D&d=DwICAg&c=RWI7EqL8K9lqtga8KxgfzvOYoob76EZWE0yAO85PVMQ&r=kI > > >> ZIYXBAA3fhM7P5HOuTC5w6mnEApTfXPTq3lR34ZiY&m=klRHeEtFlmi7VP-TR5D2bSZ_E > > >> UF1hAdJcuTH4GnReBY&s=xfU91HKFoB5JIZXWRUqBvOkomomuAqWw_gQvBmGRwiw&e= > > >> jenkins2/job/PharoLauncher > > >> > > >> This is the one you want: > > >> > > >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ci.inria.fr_phar > > >> o-2Dci-2Djenkins2_job_PharoLauncher_&d=DwICAg&c=RWI7EqL8K9lqtga8Kxgfz > > >> vOYoob76EZWE0yAO85PVMQ&r=kIZIYXBAA3fhM7P5HOuTC5w6mnEApTfXPTq3lR34ZiY& > > >> m=klRHeEtFlmi7VP-TR5D2bSZ_EUF1hAdJcuTH4GnReBY&s=TsRgHOYVLDp0q9g8BzEb8 > > >> s8yLy_v32DEMOxtvIcvTOg&e= > > >> > > >> For having the latest lastet everything, go to the launcher settings, > > >> get into the devmode and open monticello and load the latest packages. > > >> > > >> Phil > > > > > -- Kind Regards, Sean Glazier

June 18, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Windows installation broken?

by Tim Mackinnon

Guys - letâs STOP this and focus on getting the download page changed. A knife fight within our midst is not going to help us make things better. Iâm sure Steph would prefer actions to fix code over in-fighting. The best way to make amends would be a nice code fix for the community. Tim Sent from my iPhone > On 18 Jun 2018, at 19:39, Travis Ayres <trayres(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > What does not talking like an asshole have to do with being white and male? > > ...seriously? > >> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 11:31 AM Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas <offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> wrote: >> >> >>> On 18/06/18 09:47, Herbert VojÄÃk wrote: >>>>> Do you have enough balls to call out Steph for his obviously wrong decision to push Launcher down the users' throats and make him revert to working installers / zips? Cause AFAICT there's the bottleneck atm. >>>> >>>> First, it was MY decision. >>> >>> My apologies to blaming Steph. >>> >>>> Iâm pushing launcher as the default download for Pharo since year now. >>>> Do I am happy with it not working on windows right now? Of course not. But pushing it also in windows has already forced us to fix some bugs there and a new version of the launcher (and a better Pharo on windows) and at the result will be good. >>>> I was going to suspend the launcher as the default download until a better version arrived, but Iâve been told that will happen this week, so I will wait. >>>> >>>> Second, we have a lot of bottlenecks, but is true this is important. >>>> >>>> Third, please restrain your self to talk like that in the future. Is rude and unnecessary. >>> >>> I won't. Sometimes it seems this kind of talk is needed. Windows launcher was not working for so long but it is still pushed as the default download option, because "higher goals" I presume. If this kind of talk helps to get rid of it until working (or make it finally actually work), it is anything but unnecessary. >> >> I don't see how this "Macho Programmer Culture" mixing genitalia size with community behavior and admin choices is necessary. But I see why, for sure, non-(white)-males feel so unwelcome in developers communities when some members feels such "necessity" of addressing others with such language and when pointed to that, just reinforce their choices. >> >> Best, >> >> Offray

June 18, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] How to fix the Pharo launcher Windows installation! (WAS: Windows installation broken?)

by Vincent.Blondeau＠lamresearch.com

Hi all, Indeed, the Windows environment is not the one where Pharo is working the best. Last week, I tried to install it on one of my coworker desktop and there was some issues that was solvable with some workarounds, it is temporary and the windows support will be improved soon: I'm currently working on it, especially on making the Pharo launcher in a read only mode. This way, no administrative privileges will be required to run the launcher. In the meantime, to make the launcher working under Windows: 1. Run with administrative privileges 2. Uncheck: [cid:image001.png@01D406FB.17336870] If you are in a mood to help and contribute to this project (I hope you are!), please report the issues there: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-launcher/issues and feel free to suggest some fixes to them :) And please, keep this thread related to Pharo... Thanks, Vincent Blondeau Software Engineer, Software and Controls | Global Product Group Desk +1 510.572.7499 Lam Research Corporation 4650 Cushing Pkwy, Fremont, CA 94538 USA | www.lamresearch.com Connect with Lam Research: Facebook<https://www.facebook.com/LamResearchCorporation> | Twitter<https://twitter.com/lamresearch> | LinkedIn<https://www.linkedin.com/company/lam-research> ________________________________ NOTICE: This e-mail transmission may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of any of the information contained in or attached to this message is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender and destroy the original transmission and its attachments without reading them or saving them to disk. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of horrido Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 15:04 To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Windows installation broken? This is what concerns me. I don't care that there are workarounds (undocumented or hard to find). I care that Windows is a most popular development platform. I care that newcomers to Pharo easily find what they need to get started. I care about Pharo's reputation. The last thing Pharo needs is a black eye. Travis Ayres wrote > I wonder how many people tried Pharo, thought "Oh this is totally broken" > and are never going to give it a second (or third) chance. > > On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 11:26 AM, > phil@ > < > phil@ > > > wrote: > >> The current website shows the wrong link, the installer for the >> bleeding edge is the wrong one in files. >> The situation on the Windows front is very very bad and not really >> improving. >> >> That being said, the installer on the CI is the right one and works. >> >> so, steal the installer from here: >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ci.inria.fr_phar >> o-2Dci-2D&d=DwICAg&c=RWI7EqL8K9lqtga8KxgfzvOYoob76EZWE0yAO85PVMQ&r=kI >> ZIYXBAA3fhM7P5HOuTC5w6mnEApTfXPTq3lR34ZiY&m=klRHeEtFlmi7VP-TR5D2bSZ_E >> UF1hAdJcuTH4GnReBY&s=xfU91HKFoB5JIZXWRUqBvOkomomuAqWw_gQvBmGRwiw&e= >> jenkins2/job/PharoLauncher >> >> This is the one you want: >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ci.inria.fr_phar >> o-2Dci-2Djenkins2_job_PharoLauncher_&d=DwICAg&c=RWI7EqL8K9lqtga8Kxgfz >> vOYoob76EZWE0yAO85PVMQ&r=kIZIYXBAA3fhM7P5HOuTC5w6mnEApTfXPTq3lR34ZiY& >> m=klRHeEtFlmi7VP-TR5D2bSZ_EUF1hAdJcuTH4GnReBY&s=TsRgHOYVLDp0q9g8BzEb8 >> s8yLy_v32DEMOxtvIcvTOg&e= >> >> For having the latest lastet everything, go to the launcher settings, >> get into the devmode and open monticello and load the latest packages. >> >> Phil

June 18, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] [Ann] Iceberg v1.1.1

by Torsten Bergmann

June 18, 2018