June 2018 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] Iceberg - finding deleted classes, reverting versions?

by Tim Mackinnon

Just to add more information to this - I did try what was suggested here (it refers to a branch and not a commit id - but heck worth a shot) https://stackoverflow.com/questions/5989592/git-cannot-checkout-branch-erro… <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/5989592/git-cannot-checkout-branch-erro…> - but nah /refs/heads/srcâ¦ or /origin/srcâ¦ didnât seem to give a recognised path. Grasping at straws I also tried --ignore-skip-worktree-bits So Iâm really curious if anyone else has managed to restore a deleted Pharo class in git? Tim > On 21 Jun 2018, at 16:07, Tim Mackinnon <tim(a)testit.works> wrote: > > Guille - just following up on this thread as Iâd like to get more confident with this stuff. > > You mentioned a Calypso plugin for versions - where is that? I loaded a recentish P7 image and I donât see those icons? Is this something I can easily load to try out? > > As I donât have that plugin, Iâve followed up on your next suggestion (just to learn how to do this) about looking up a commit having used the command line git history to list all of my deleted classes (I think this might be a useful thing to add to Iceberg BTW). > > Not sure how to get a repository but I cobbled together the following? > > (IceLibgitRepository registry detect: [ :r | r name beginsWith: 'Prismic' ]) lookupCommit: '65363adâ. > > This give me an IceGitCommit - but then what can I easily do with this to try and iterate over deleted classes to try and get the one Iâve identified back? > > Failing all of this - I went back to the command line again (which should work) - and Iâm really wondering if we do something weird with files or paths when checking in? > > Having got a valid commitID (I used: git log --diff-filter=D --summary âpretty="format:%cd|%h|%cn%n%s%nâ ) > > if I simply run the following (with the id and pathname taken from the output of my previous command > > git checkout 65363ad src/PrismicDemo/PrismicBlock.class.st <http://prismicblock.class.st/> > > I keep getting an error : error: pathspec âsrc/PrismicDemo/PrismicBlock.class.st <http://prismicblock.class.st/>' did not match any file(s) known to git. > > Are you able to confirm if you can restore a deleted class from a commit? Iâve tried it on 2 different OSX machines and neither of them works - making me think we do something odd. > > Tim > >> On 14 Jun 2018, at 08:52, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com <mailto:guillermopolito@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Regarding history, right now we have a history browser implemented as a Calypso plugin, that is open using context menu => history or the little box button on the top right of the method pane (second button from the left in the picture): >> >> <Screen Shot 2018-06-14 at 09.34.24.png> >> >> That button will nowadays only be shown if the method's package is linked to an iceberg repository. >> Once you click it, you will have the entire history of the method. >> >> <Screen Shot 2018-06-14 at 09.47.46.png> >> >> With the possibility to install that version of the method (among others). >> >> Now, regarding the recovery of deleted classes/methods, have you tried the repository browser? >> Go to Iceberg, right click on a repository and select "Repository". >> You can there select a commit in history and then in the tabs below see the diff between >> - your current version and the selected commit >> - the selected commit and its main parent >> >> Of course any of these can be improved, but if you have concrete requests, it is much easier :) >> >> https://github.com/pharo-vcs/iceberg <https://github.com/pharo-vcs/iceberg> >> >> Guille >> >> On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 11:22 PM Tim Mackinnon <tim(a)testit.works <mailto:tim@testit.works>> wrote: >> Hi Sean - I tried it again, and it worked: >> >> git log --full-history -- */PrismicBlock.class* >> >> (I got my wildcard slightly wrong for tonel format) - although the beauty of the one I gave was that it shows you all deleted classes (in case you donât know the name) >> >> Iâm still confused why I canât checkout the deleted class though - damn you git, for the cryptic error: : error: pathspec 'PrismicDemo/PrismicBlock.class.st <http://prismicblock.class.st/>' did not match any file(s) known to git. >> >> I was hoping a quick hack to iceberg might be to OSProcess a few choice git commands to help us along while we work out better ways to do things. >> >> Tim >> >>> On 13 Jun 2018, at 21:53, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com <mailto:sean@clipperadams.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Tim Mackinnon wrote >>>> I didnât quite get your fu to work >>> >>> Interesting. >>> >>> When I searched for commits affecting the deleted class SuDebianKey: >>> >>> $ git log --full-history -- */SuDebianKey.class/properties.json >>> >>> I got back a list of commits (obviously with the last chronologically being >>> the deletion): >>> >>> commit a38fbced4abec59ff9879d4c607da80dc89b6637 >>> Author: Sean DeNigris <sean(a)Seans-MBP.home <mailto:sean@Seans-MBP.home>> >>> Date: Mon Jan 30 17:13:58 2017 -0500 >>> >>> Extract Lots to ComputerWorld, Absorb Rest of Old ScriptingBase Project >>> >>> commit 61175745d57c60a1707d5e2f9a2fc92e6c19a6ea >>> Author: Sean DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com <mailto:sean@clipperadams.com>> >>> Date: Sat Aug 20 17:14:12 2016 -0400 >>> >>> Basket O' Enhancements >>> ... >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Cheers, >>> Sean >>> -- >>> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html <http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Guille Polito >> Research Engineer >> >> Centre de Recherche en Informatique, Signal et Automatique de Lille >> CRIStAL - UMR 9189 >> French National Center for Scientific Research - http://www.cnrs.fr <http://www.cnrs.fr/> >> >> Web: http://guillep.github.io <http://guillep.github.io/> >> Phone: +33 06 52 70 66 13 >

June 22, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk Programming Competition

by horrido

Indeed, these have been the main goals of my marketing campaign: - spread the word through social media (word of mouth) - try to make Smalltalk look "cool" and fascinating (pop-cultured) - emphasize that Smalltalk is web-ready, since the whole world seems to be going ga-ga over the web (popular practices) - restore the lustre of OOP, since there has been a growing anti-OOP sentiment for years now - present success stories, even if most of these are from staid corporations and government Believe me, I've incorporated elements of these in many, many of my articles, blog posts, tweets, Facebook posts, etc. And I firmly believe the JRM competition will add to the excitement and cool factor, if it's done right. Esteban A. Maringolo wrote > On 21/06/2018 07:23, horrido wrote: >> I'm disappointed in the response. Only two contributors of $100 each. >> This is >> extremely tepid. >> >> There must be thousands of Smalltalkers around the world. How to reach >> out >> to them? It can't be that hard to fund this contest. I mean, there are >> many >> stupid causes on GoFundMe that have raised tens of thousands of dollars! >> This Smalltalk programming competition is anything but stupid. >> >> If only 1500 Smalltalkers each contributed a paltry $20, the contest >> would >> be fully funded. It would only take 300 contributors of $100 each. > I think that money is the wrong incentive to get people involved. > > You can't pay students to get them converted. Massive propagation of > ideas these days are horizontal rather than vertical. It is, breadth > first, word of mouth, instead of authoritative articles, this kind of > competition, etc. Your articles did a good job of rising awareness, but > there is a lot missing. > > If you want to get MORE (quantity) people involved, you need to make > Pharo more "pop cultured" as many mainstream tools are seen, and that > itself means becoming more mainstream or follow certain practices, which > also means having success stories people would like to imitate, etc. > > Even if we get people like Kent Beck, Martin Fowler, any other > "influencer" aware of the benefits of Smalltalk to recommend it, the > downloads would spike, but I bet one leg the users will bounce as fast > as they download it. > > IMO if we don't understand that as a community, Pharo will still have > it's niche user base. Not that I dislike it, but I would be more > comfortable as a niche but with a bigger user base. > > Regards, > > -- > Esteban A. Maringolo -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

June 21, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] In Pharo 7 - are the Browsers in any particular order in the new menu?

by Tim Mackinnon

Hi Cyril (nice work on the menu by the way) - I was thinking in the Tools menu they should both be at the top. For the world menu - I think maybe the consistency is better - and for the advanced user they can learnt he keyboard shortcuts? Iâll put a bug for this. Tim > On 21 Jun 2018, at 22:42, Cyril Ferlicot D. <cyril.ferlicot(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Le 21/06/2018 Ã 23:18, Tim Mackinnon a Ã©crit : >> Hi > > Hi, > > > - in the new menu system (which I kind of like, and certainly see the > value for new user, but worry about the loss of screen space for > advanced users) > > There is a setting to disable it if needed ;) > > - is the order of browsers specified for any particular reason? >> >> I ask, because the 2 main one System and Playground should both be at the top (in my opinion) but Iâm wondering if its in some specific order? >> > > By top you mean at the root of the menu or at the top of the Tool submenu? > > If you mean at the root of the menu, then no for the menubar because it > is a menubar and not a toolbar. But, it would be cool to get it back at > the root of the WorldMenu but it need work to be able to define two > different locations for menubar and world menu. > > If you mean at the top of the Tools submenu, then yes. The fact that > Iceberg is before the playground is an error I think. > >> Tim >> >> > > -- > Cyril Ferlicot > https://ferlicot.fr >

June 21, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] In Pharo 7 - are the Browsers in any particular order in the new menu?

by Cyril Ferlicot D.

Le 21/06/2018 Ã 23:18, Tim Mackinnon a Ã©critÂ : > Hi Hi, - in the new menu system (which I kind of like, and certainly see the value for new user, but worry about the loss of screen space for advanced users) There is a setting to disable it if needed ;) - is the order of browsers specified for any particular reason? > > I ask, because the 2 main one System and Playground should both be at the top (in my opinion) but Iâm wondering if its in some specific order? > By top you mean at the root of the menu or at the top of the Tool submenu? If you mean at the root of the menu, then no for the menubar because it is a menubar and not a toolbar. But, it would be cool to get it back at the root of the WorldMenu but it need work to be able to define two different locations for menubar and world menu. If you mean at the top of the Tools submenu, then yes. The fact that Iceberg is before the playground is an error I think. > Tim > > -- Cyril Ferlicot https://ferlicot.fr

June 21, 2018

In Pharo 7 - are the Browsers in any particular order in the new menu?

by Tim Mackinnon

Hi - in the new menu system (which I kind of like, and certainly see the value for new user, but worry about the loss of screen space for advanced users) - is the order of browsers specified for any particular reason? I ask, because the 2 main one System and Playground should both be at the top (in my opinion) but Iâm wondering if its in some specific order? Tim

June 21, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk Programming Competition

by Esteban A. Maringolo

On 21/06/2018 07:23, horrido wrote: > I'm disappointed in the response. Only two contributors of $100 each. This is > extremely tepid. > > There must be thousands of Smalltalkers around the world. How to reach out > to them? It can't be that hard to fund this contest. I mean, there are many > stupid causes on GoFundMe that have raised tens of thousands of dollars! > This Smalltalk programming competition is anything but stupid. > > If only 1500 Smalltalkers each contributed a paltry $20, the contest would > be fully funded. It would only take 300 contributors of $100 each. I think that money is the wrong incentive to get people involved. You can't pay students to get them converted. Massive propagation of ideas these days are horizontal rather than vertical. It is, breadth first, word of mouth, instead of authoritative articles, this kind of competition, etc. Your articles did a good job of rising awareness, but there is a lot missing. If you want to get MORE (quantity) people involved, you need to make Pharo more "pop cultured" as many mainstream tools are seen, and that itself means becoming more mainstream or follow certain practices, which also means having success stories people would like to imitate, etc. Even if we get people like Kent Beck, Martin Fowler, any other "influencer" aware of the benefits of Smalltalk to recommend it, the downloads would spike, but I bet one leg the users will bounce as fast as they download it. IMO if we don't understand that as a community, Pharo will still have it's niche user base. Not that I dislike it, but I would be more comfortable as a niche but with a bigger user base. Regards, -- Esteban A. Maringolo

June 21, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] OmniBase for Pharo 6

by Esteban Lorenzano

I did it manually and I took like 5 min :P but this was really easy, just a bunch of FFI calls. Esteban > On 21 Jun 2018, at 15:31, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > > EstebanLM wrote >> I just made a âblind portââ¦ migrated the old FFI to new UFFI > > Did you do this manually or use some migration tool? How long did it take? > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >

June 21, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk Programming Competition

by horrido

#1. Who would pay me??? No company nor organization (even Smalltalk-related) cares enough about Smalltalk to hire a full-time advocate. And even if they did, I have no track record at all in marketing and advocacy. They're buying a pig in a poke. #2. It I didn't step up, no one would. There is no other person on this planet who has the time nor inclination to take on this huge, thankless task. Smalltalk deserves a better fate than to languish in obscurity. It is so sad and pitiful to see where it is today, especially when it was once the most popular OO language in the world after C++. Smalltalk just barely made it onto the Top 100 at TIOBE this year. Just barely. #3. I believe in Smalltalk. More importantly, I believe that the language has the power to transform the software industry. If it can double the world's software development productivity â on average â imagine the impact on the global economy. I'm not spewing bullsh*t here. So this is my personal belief at work. #4. I saw a unique opportunity. Of all the less-than-major programming languages in the world (Clojure, Crystal, Dart, Elixir, Elm, F#, Go, Haskell, Haxe, Julia, Kotlin, Nim, Racket, Red, Rust, etc.), Smalltalk is the easiest one to advocate for. It's the one with the best chances of success. Why? - its historical legacy - its actual popularity in the 1990s - its commercial track record - its technical merits like simplicity, conciseness, live coding, etc. - its scientifically proven productivity, thanks to Namcook Analytics All of this allows me to tell a good story. A damn good story. And that's absolutely key in any marketing campaign. I could've devoted my time and energy to Elixir or Go or Nim. But it wouldn't have been nearly as satisfying. I saw an opportunity, and I took it. And I haven't looked back. Travis Ayres wrote > You worked without pay? ...why? > > On Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 8:53 AM horrido < > horrido.hobbies@ > > wrote: > >> I hear what you're saying. Here's my rationale... >> >> #1. As far as I know, I'm the only person on the planet who has worked >> full-time and without pay as a programming language advocate for nearly >> four >> years. Did I mention full-time and without pay? So I think you can trust >> me >> to deliver, come hell or high water. >> >> #2. For the past four years, I've shown my marketing skills in promoting >> Smalltalk. If you believe I've done a good job, then you can trust me to >> convince schools and the media to stand behind the competition. If you >> don't >> believe, then ignore me; I cannot convince you otherwise. >> >> #3. It is not my style to plan everything in advance and in detail. I do >> things by the seat of my pants, relying on my organizational skills, >> communication skills, and intuition. (That's how I develop software, >> too.) >> I >> can picture the whole competition in my mind and I trust my vision. I'm >> asking others to trust it, as well. If they don't, then this whole thing >> dies with me. >> >> In the final analysis, all I can do is my very best. I am who I am. If >> you >> don't believe in me, that's okay. >> >> >> SergeStinckwich wrote >> > Ok, the subject is completely different and maybe his topic is sensible >> > for >> > a lot of people but the concerns are the same. At the end, you need to >> > convince people to give you money. >> > >> > What is your budget ? what kind of competition you will organize ? how >> you >> > will convince schools/university to participate ? >> > How you will reward people for their participation ? >> > >> > Sorry to say, people will not give money just because you wrote a >> > half-page >> > statement. >> > >> > Best, >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >> >> -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

June 21, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk Programming Competition

by Hilaire

It will be far more fun for the kids if we had PyGame (itself based on SDL) like package on Pharo. Hilaire Le 21/06/2018 Ã 17:52, horrido a Ã©critÂ : > I hear what you're saying. Here's my rationale... > > #1. As far as I know, I'm the only person on the planet who has worked > full-time and without pay as a programming language advocate for nearly four > years. Did I mention full-time and without pay? So I think you can trust me > to deliver, come hell or high water. > > #2. For the past four years, I've shown my marketing skills in promoting > Smalltalk. If you believe I've done a good job, then you can trust me to > convince schools and the media to stand behind the competition. If you don't > believe, then ignore me; I cannot convince you otherwise. > > #3. It is not my style to plan everything in advance and in detail. I do > things by the seat of my pants, relying on my organizational skills, > communication skills, and intuition. (That's how I develop software, too.) I > can picture the whole competition in my mind and I trust my vision. I'm > asking others to trust it, as well. If they don't, then this whole thing > dies with me. > > In the final analysis, all I can do is my very best. I am who I am. If you > don't believe in me, that's okay. > -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

June 21, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk Programming Competition

by Travis Ayres

You worked without pay? ...why? On Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 8:53 AM horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I hear what you're saying. Here's my rationale... > > #1. As far as I know, I'm the only person on the planet who has worked > full-time and without pay as a programming language advocate for nearly > four > years. Did I mention full-time and without pay? So I think you can trust me > to deliver, come hell or high water. > > #2. For the past four years, I've shown my marketing skills in promoting > Smalltalk. If you believe I've done a good job, then you can trust me to > convince schools and the media to stand behind the competition. If you > don't > believe, then ignore me; I cannot convince you otherwise. > > #3. It is not my style to plan everything in advance and in detail. I do > things by the seat of my pants, relying on my organizational skills, > communication skills, and intuition. (That's how I develop software, too.) > I > can picture the whole competition in my mind and I trust my vision. I'm > asking others to trust it, as well. If they don't, then this whole thing > dies with me. > > In the final analysis, all I can do is my very best. I am who I am. If you > don't believe in me, that's okay. > > > SergeStinckwich wrote > > Ok, the subject is completely different and maybe his topic is sensible > > for > > a lot of people but the concerns are the same. At the end, you need to > > convince people to give you money. > > > > What is your budget ? what kind of competition you will organize ? how > you > > will convince schools/university to participate ? > > How you will reward people for their participation ? > > > > Sorry to say, people will not give money just because you wrote a > > half-page > > statement. > > > > Best, > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html > >

June 21, 2018