April 2018 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] Recover question at startup

by tesonep＠gmail.com

Hi Cyril, I have taken your mail and added to the issue. Thanks On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Cyril Ferlicot D. < cyril.ferlicot(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 16/04/2018 11:30, tesonep(a)gmail.com wrote: > > I have created an Issue > > (https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/21708/Epicea-should-not- > offer-to-recover-changes-if-the-ombu-file-does-not-exists) > > to follow the conversation and to notify MartÃn and listen to his > opinion. > > > > Hi, > > Indeed it would be cool to not show the recover window when there is no > ombu file. It was something I already raised in this message: > > http://forum.world.st/Problems-with-Epicea-on-Pharo-7-td5069768.html > > > Cheers, > > Pablo > > > > -- > > Pablo Tesone. > > tesonep(a)gmail.com <mailto:tesonep@gmail.com> > > > -- > Cyril Ferlicot > https://ferlicot.fr > > -- Pablo Tesone. tesonep(a)gmail.com

April 16, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Recover question at startup

by Cyril Ferlicot D.

On 16/04/2018 11:30, tesonep(a)gmail.com wrote: > I have created an Issue > (https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/21708/Epicea-should-not-offer-to-recover-…) > to follow the conversation and to notify MartÃn and listen to his opinion. > Hi, Indeed it would be cool to not show the recover window when there is no ombu file. It was something I already raised in this message: http://forum.world.st/Problems-with-Epicea-on-Pharo-7-td5069768.html > Cheers, > Pablo > > -- > Pablo Tesone. > tesonep(a)gmail.com <mailto:tesonep@gmail.com> -- Cyril Ferlicot https://ferlicot.fr

April 16, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Recover question at startup

by tesonep＠gmail.com

I have created an Issue ( https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/21708/Epicea-should-not-offer-to-recover-… ) to follow the conversation and to notify MartÃn and listen to his opinion. Cheers, Pablo On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 7:02 AM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 5:56 PM, Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> wrote: >> >>> Replying to myself for the record, these two lines seem to inactivate >>> Epicea >>> >>> "Inactivate Epicea" >>> EpSettings monitorEnabled: false. >>> EpSettings lostEventsDetectorEnabled: false. >>> >>> >>> Now, there is still likely an issue I don't understand >> >> > > On 15 April 2018 at 00:32, tesonep(a)gmail.com <tesonep(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> I have been checking this problem and the message is shown because is >> trying to find the ombu file for the current session. >> Usually what it does is comparing the file with the recorded size and >> timestamp in the image to check that the file has no new changes. >> If the file is newer or larger than the previous info of the image, the >> recover message appears. >> >> I think there is a bug here, although I am not sure, I think that MartÃn >> has to help to understand it. >> Because in the current implementation if the file does not exists it >> produces the recovery message. >> Even though it can show that there are changes, if there is no file with >> them I think is quite difficult to recover them. >> >> This behaviour is not happening in the machine where the image is built, >> because the file exists in the disk. They are stored in the pharo-local >> directory. >> >> Cheers, >> Pablo >> > > > I didn't have a chance to check for repeat-ability, but yesterday I > saved-quit and Image-A, > then in PharoLauncher did a Copy of Image-A to image-B, > then opening Image-B got a question about Recovery that I didn't expect or > want. > > cheers -ben > -- Pablo Tesone. tesonep(a)gmail.com

April 16, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] In P7 scrpt variable to tmp when in debugger

by Marcus Denker

> On 12 Apr 2018, at 17:18, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > >> On 12 Apr 2018, at 17:06, Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> wrote: >> >> Hi Marcus, Benoit, >> >> Nice to know. I was testing in a set up with both .changes and source files. So I was suspecting something like what your described. I can imagine in production code your feature to speed up compilation will be appreciated. For Dr. Geo and Smalltalk sketch, it is better to have variable names. >> > > I should have a fix ready tomorrow. > I will for now revert the change: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/1199 <https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/1199> This way it behaves as people expect, I have an idea how to provide an option for the faster way. This will come next. Marcus

April 16, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo Launcher

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

> Downloaded it. Installed it. Started it. Selected an image. Bam. The app vanished. As I've mentioned in several other threads, the way new images are opened (the lib that executes the command) seems to be very unreliable and sometimes opening image just doesn't work, and I have to open PL again and try again. My guess is that there's a race condition and PL closes faster, and before the subprocess manages to be disowned. Peter On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 3:39 AM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > On 16 April 2018 at 06:02, Benoit St-Jean <bstjean(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > "What path did you install to?" > > > > > > The installer put it in: > > > > C:\Users\BenoÃ®t St-Jean\AppData\Local\Programs\Pharo\BCPharoLauncher> > > To work around the special character in your path, try copying that > whole folder to C:\BCPharoLauncher > and directly double-click Pharo.exe. Then click the Settings tool > icon and change the Image & VM paths. > > Hopefully that will get you going for now, until we sort out a proper fix. > > cheers -ben > >

April 16, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo Launcher

by Ben Coman

On 16 April 2018 at 06:02, Benoit St-Jean <bstjean(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > "What path did you install to?" > > > The installer put it in: > > C:\Users\BenoÃ®t St-Jean\AppData\Local\Programs\Pharo\BCPharoLauncher> To work around the special character in your path, try copying that whole folder to C:\BCPharoLauncher and directly double-click Pharo.exe. Then click the Settings tool icon and change the Image & VM paths. Hopefully that will get you going for now, until we sort out a proper fix. cheers -ben

April 16, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo Launcher

by Benoit St-Jean

It would be nice if I could uninstall the previous version...Â :( https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/21705/Pharo-Launcher-cannot-uninstall-on-… ----------------- BenoÃ®t St-Jean Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean Twitter: @BenLeChialeux Pinterest: benoitstjean Instagram: Chef_Benito IRC: lamneth Blogue: endormitoire.wordpress.com "A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero".Â (A. Einstein) On Sunday, April 15, 2018, 6:07:15 p.m. EDT, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: Go toÂ http://files.pharo.org/pharo-launcher/bleedingEdge/Â Install using the MSI, the laucher should go into %APPDATA% and images/vms to %DOCUMENTS%/Pharo/... This is the observed behavior of that new version. Older versions worked differently on Windows 10. Best,Phil On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 12:02 AM, Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-users <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From:Â Benoit St-Jean <bstjean(a)yahoo.com> To:Â Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> Cc:Â Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org>, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> Bcc:Â Date:Â Sun, 15 Apr 2018 22:02:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject:Â Re: Pharo Launcher "What path did you install to?" The installer put it in: C:\Users\BenoÃ®t St-Jean\AppData\Local\ Programs\Pharo\ BCPharoLauncher> ----------------- BenoÃ®t St-Jean Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean Twitter: @BenLeChialeux Pinterest: benoitstjean Instagram: Chef_Benito IRC: lamneth Blogue: endormitoire.wordpress.com "A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero".Â (A. Einstein)

April 15, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo Launcher

by Benoit St-Jean

Tried it, doesn't work. Changing the .js file didn't change anything.Â The problem occurs in the image... Problem seems to be (in my case) 1) the accentuated "Ã" which cannot be handled properly in a path FileReference (expecting UTF-8 encoding but the string is seen as a Latin-1 2) PlatformResolver>>launcherUserFilesLocation that defaults to my "Documents" folder, namely "C:\Users\BenoÃ®t St-Jean\Documents", hence the path string encoding problem ----------------- BenoÃ®t St-Jean Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean Twitter: @BenLeChialeux Pinterest: benoitstjean Instagram: Chef_Benito IRC: lamneth Blogue: endormitoire.wordpress.com "A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero".Â (A. Einstein) On Sunday, April 15, 2018, 6:04:22 p.m. EDT, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: Install the bleeding edge thing, it works for me on win 10.Â I also noticed that the launcher runs images with VMs that do have a weird management of cursors in the dark themes, it seems that there the masks are not used properly and so, the dark arrow has no white border making it impossible to see.It was not like that before, so I suspect a VM thing. Phil On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 9:00 PM, Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> wrote: Can you make a search for your PharoDebug.log, because I can see, at least on P7 and Linux, this file is not always located nearby the image but at the user root directory. Hilaire Le 15/04/2018 Ã 20:52, Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-users a Ã©critÂ : Downloaded it.Â Installed it.Â Started it.Â Selected an image.Â Bam.Â The app vanished. Also tried on a brand-new-and-fresh-Windows-10 -machine-with-nothing-previous ly-installed and same thing. The app doesn't even show in the task manager. And no error file was created. -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

April 15, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Where do we go now ?

by Todd Blanchard

Or just expand the names to be descriptive. CalypsoClassBrowser would be cool > On Apr 13, 2018, at 5:39 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> On 13 Apr 2018, at 14:33, Andrew Glynn <aglynn42(a)gmail.com <mailto:aglynn42@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> I find NPM as obscure as Pharo, honestly, and VA Smalltalk is worse (wth does abt or sst stand for?). Grunt, Gulp, etc., how do the names relate to what they do? > > yesâ¦ but we actually have a problem there. > I would like to be able to add âtags" to tools, to be able to say: > > Calypso -> a class browser -> some more info > etc. > > Esteban > >> >> Electron is as obscure as Phobos (although a phobia with web pages turned into desktop apps may be appropriate). >> >> Andrew >> >> On Fri, 2018-04-13 at 14:18 +0200, Peter UhnÃ¡k wrote: >>> On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Richard O'Keefe <raoknz(a)gmail.com <mailto:raoknz@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> There are a lot of subsystems in Pharo, and being a bear of >>>> very little brain, I have a hard time relating Zinc, Calypso, >>>> &c &c to, well, whatever they are. I presume there is >>>> somewhere a list of topic/name/PFX triples for guidance. >>>> Can some kind soul tell me where it is? >>>> >>> >>> Until we have mature package manager (similar to Cargo or npm), you have to use google. >>> On the bright side, with the move to git(hub), people are much more likely to actually describe what their project does, and maybe even a bit of documentation. This was almost non-existent with SmalltalkHub. >>> >>> Peter >

April 15, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo Launcher

by phil＠highoctane.be

Go to http://files.pharo.org/pharo-launcher/bleedingEdge/ Install using the MSI, the laucher should go into %APPDATA% and images/vms to %DOCUMENTS%/Pharo/... This is the observed behavior of that new version. Older versions worked differently on Windows 10. Best, Phil On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 12:02 AM, Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-users < pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Benoit St-Jean <bstjean(a)yahoo.com> > To: Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> > Cc: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org>, > Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> > Bcc: > Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2018 22:02:35 +0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: Pharo Launcher > "What path did you install to?" > > > The installer put it in: > > C:\Users\BenoÃ®t St-Jean\AppData\Local\Programs\Pharo\BCPharoLauncher> > > > ----------------- > BenoÃ®t St-Jean > Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean > Twitter: @BenLeChialeux > Pinterest: benoitstjean > Instagram: Chef_Benito > IRC: lamneth > Blogue: endormitoire.wordpress.com > "A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero". (A. Einstein) > >

April 15, 2018