March 2018 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

What is Reef? (was: Tide/Amber)

by H. Hirzel

Hello Esteban Which problem does Reef solve? Regards Hannes On 3/15/18, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: .... > Other reason why no one is using it (Tide / Amber) is, probably, because nobody knows is > there: things that are not marketed/exposed/explained are ultimately lost > (it happened also with Reef and a lot other projects I had that IMO could > have had better luck). > > Esteban >

March 15, 2018

Pharo News Page Outage

by Gerald Klix

Hi, I experience problems when I try to browse http://pharo.org/news, that is: I consistently hit Cloudflare's error handling page. Can anybody confirm this behaviour? Best Regards, Gerald

March 15, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] State of Tide / Amber ?

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hi, I think the most complicated part is that you are actually splitting your system in two: amber part/pharo part. yes is still two smalltalks, but that does not avoid the problem that you have to work on two essentially separated apps. Tide work is just to easy the binding between both of them. Other reason why no one is using it is, probably, because nobody knows is there: things that are not marketed/exposed/explained are ultimately lost (it happened also with Reef and a lot other projects I had that IMO could have had better luck). Esteban > On 13 Mar 2018, at 22:24, in_pharo_users(a)nym.hush.com wrote: > > Hi Esteban, > > nice to meet you online. I saw your presentation on UTube. > > I found your concept quite intriguing, so I wonder why no one else is interested - > besides the notorious lack of popularity that Smalltalk is cursed with, to the unreasonable > great benefit of it's fugly spin-offs. > > I want to check it out, plus, I want to see the new lean CMS that you underpinned it with. > > Have you encountered or envisioned any drawbacks of your concept, that would hamper > any techniques neccessary in contemporary web app programming? > > > Kind regards, > > basket > > > > > On 13.3.2018 at 4:49 PM, "Esteban Lorenzano" <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 13 Mar 2018, at 16:06, in_pharo_users(a)nym.hush.com <> wrote: > > Dear List, > > I was trying to set up Tide / Amber. > > I found a Tide version for Pharo 3, but optimistically I tryed to set it up with Pharo 6. > > Then I went to 5, 4, and then I used 3. > > I set Tide up according to the instructions, and well, the JSON interface seemed to work fine. > > This may not be the concern of this list: Then I tried to get Amber running, but I failed. I found no description thatI was able to follow to success. > > What is the state of Tide? Is it still actively supported, or has it either vanished into a proprietary enterprise or been abandoned? > > If it went to proprieary, is a successor still available? > > Has it been abandoned in relation to technical or other shortcomings of the concept? > > Can anyone help me to get Tide running on Pharo 6? > > hi, > > AFAIK, nobody is actively using it (and I should know, since I was one of the developers). > Now, the general idea and implementation of Tide was simple and it shouldnât be much work to make it run on Pharo 6.1 (somethings changed, but I do not think too much in that area). > > There is still the problem around Amber, but thatâs more a question for Amber list, I have no idea of its current status (and on how the amber part of tide would work). > > cheers! > Esteban > > > > Kind regards, > > basket > >

March 15, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] State of Tide / Amber ?

by Herbert VojÄÃk

in_pharo_users(a)nym.hush.com wrote: > Hi Esteban, > > nice to meet you online. I saw your presentation on UTube. > > I found your concept quite intriguing, so I wonder why no one else is > interested - > besides the notorious lack of popularity that Smalltalk is cursed with, > to the unreasonable > great benefit of it's fugly spin-offs. > > I want to check it out, plus, I want to see the new lean CMS that you > underpinned it with. > > Have you encountered or envisioned any drawbacks of your concept, that > would hamper > any techniques neccessary in contemporary web app programming? > > > Kind regards, > > basket > > > > > On 13.3.2018 at 4:49 PM, "Esteban Lorenzano" <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On 13 Mar 2018, at 16:06, in_pharo_users(a)nym.hush.com wrote: > > Dear List, > > I was trying to set up Tide / Amber. > > I found a Tide version for Pharo 3, but optimistically I tryed > to set it up with Pharo 6. > > Then I went to 5, 4, and then I used 3. > > I set Tide up according to the instructions, and well, the JSON > interface seemed to work fine. > > This may not be the concern of this list: Then I tried to get > Amber running, but I failed. I found no description thatI was > able to follow to success. > > What is the state of Tide? Is it still actively supported, or > has it either vanished into a proprietary enterprise or been > abandoned? > > If it went to proprieary, is a successor still available? > > Has it been abandoned in relation to technical or other > shortcomings of the concept? > > Can anyone help me to get Tide running on Pharo 6? > > > hi, > > AFAIK, nobody is actively using it (and I should know, since I was > one of the developers). > Now, the general idea and implementation of Tide was simple and it > shouldnât be much work to make it run on Pharo 6.1 (somethings > changed, but I do not think too much in that area). > > There is still the problem around Amber, but thatâs more a question > for Amber list, I have no idea of its current status (and on how the > amber part of tide would work). Hi Basket, feel free to revive it, I don't see why it should not work in Amber, there weren't any revolutionary changes there (lots of formal ones, some changes in kernel, yes, but I don't think any code actually depended on them). Herby > > cheers! > Esteban > > > > Kind regards, > > basket > >

March 14, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Ever growing image

by Hilaire

Thanks Marcus! Le 09/03/2018 Ã 08:12, Marcus Denker a Ã©critÂ : >> we should again do some analysis where space is goingâ¦ the Pharo7 >> download >> is now 38MB (the image, decompressed). >> > > down toÂ 36,4 MB in the latest build. > -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

March 14, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Ever growing image

by Hilaire

Simple explanation about the process will be a good start. For example what is a baseline in the image building? Like in the ConfigurationOf...? Le 13/03/2018 Ã 20:24, Guillermo Polito a Ã©critÂ : > I'll take a look at this from tomorrow morning till the end of the week. > -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

March 14, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Something is happening...

by Esteban A. Maringolo

Do we have any metrics on the number of visits we get on the pharo.org website, which parts are the most visited, etc? The same regarding web downloads, and so on. I understand that CI can distort download count if using only access logs, but certainly if we count a download through the webpage as a "conversion" (and track it somehow) we would have a better idea how big this is becoming. But back to your point and as a bystander these days, it is very hard to be aware of everything that's going on in the Pharo world, and not because of the associated noise, because there is actually a lot of things going on. :) Regards, Esteban A. Maringolo 2018-03-13 4:27 GMT-03:00 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>: > Hi, > > There is something odd happeningâ¦ or better: There is *a lot* happening. > > Just one example: for the Newsletter, the original idea was to send out once > a month a post with 3 things, some of them recycled (e.g. pointers to > existing projects, re-use âsuccess storiesâ, things like that. > > Now already some months ago I had to add âand here are some other > interesting announcements, blog posts, videosâ. > > But this month, the list of things for the newsletter TODO list contains > over 60 entries. With the exception of maybe 5, these are just things that > happened between sending the February newsletter and today. > > Newsletter March should be ready till this thursday, I hope, subscribe or > read the oder ones here: http://newsletter.pharo.org > > Marcus

March 14, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Pillar7 Markdown export

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

Hi, if I remember correctly when I was fixing the Writer to the current state, it was producing a lot of extra whitespace, so maybe I fixed it too much...? Also I am not sure whether parsing Pillar text actually includes newlines in the paragraph text or not. Peter On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Arturo Zambrano <arturo.zambrano(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > I think a found a bug (more details in the screenshot bellow) in pillar7 > export. Adding a > > canvas newLine > > to the PRMarkdownWriter>>visitParagraph method seems to fix that... > Should I fork Pillar7 branch and make a PR in github? > > Thanks > Arturo > > > > > > >

March 14, 2018

Pillar7 Markdown export

by Arturo Zambrano

Hi, I think a found a bug (more details in the screenshot bellow) in pillar7 export. Adding a canvas newLine to the PRMarkdownWriter>>visitParagraph method seems to fix that... Should I fork Pillar7 branch and make a PR in github? Thanks Arturo

March 14, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] SSL Exception when installing DataFrame

by Baveco, Hans

With a freshly downloaded 6.1 image, started via the Launcher (BTW I had to uncheck "Launch image from a login shell" in the Launcher settings before anything actually started) I could load NeoCSV from the Catalog. But executing Metacello new baseline: 'Cruiser'; repository: 'github://vincentblondeau/cruiser:master/src'; load. In a playground resulted in the error: LGit_GIT_ERROR: failed to get server certificate: The handle is in the wrong state for the requested operation Stack copy and debug.log attached... Trying to install Roassal2 from the Catalog also resulted more or less directly in an error message (but that may be a different issue?) So currently it is not easy to get a working pharo with all the functionality I need and came to appreciate so much Hans -----Original Message----- From: Stephane Ducasse [mailto:stepharo.self@gmail.com] Sent: dinsdag 13 maart 2018 19:04 To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo-users] SSL Exception when installing DataFrame I know that Hayatou got the same error while trying to load DataFrame. Here is what he told me I use to load DataFrame on Pharo6.1 with Linux it work well But on Windows 7 Ãdition IntÃ©grale 64-bit (6.1, Build 7600) (7600.win7_gdr.110622-1503) with Pharo6.1 it not working. But with Pharo5 on the same windows 7 it work well On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:36 AM, Baveco, Hans <hans.baveco(a)wur.nl> wrote: > I get the same error when trying to install other packages (e.g. > Cruiser) (SSL Exception: connect failed [code:-5]), > > Also when trying to do a software update from the System menu. > > This is Pharo 6.1 on windows 7 > > > > It might be somehow related to Iceberg: the Iceberg item in the World > menu has gone after trying to update?? > > Hans > > > > > >

March 14, 2018