November 2018 - Pharo-users

Re: [Pharo-users] My Keynote at the Salta Conference

by horrido

Of course, that's my preference, too, but I have to take whatever I can get. I'm working against the clock and I need the very best help I can find. And, yes, the most important consideration is success. The basic philosophy I work with is this: A rising tide lifts all boats. Richard Sargent wrote > I think, from GemTalk's perspective, we would *prefer* an open product > like > Pharo. But, the most important consideration is that the competition be > successful. > > > >> Best, >> >> -- >> Mariano >> https://twitter.com/MartinezPeck >> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >> -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Nov. 24, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] My Keynote at the Salta Conference

by horrido

Indeed, Lorenzo Schiavina has expressed interest in modelling a similar competition in Italy with my competition material! This was the vision I had three years ago. Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas-2 wrote > Yes, as I told that would be a big deviation from the vision, but also a > way to bridge it with the community. Anyway making a pretty localized > competition in a Smalltalk variant for a particular population of a > specific country is also a way to promote Smalltalk and after done it > will bring lessons on efforts to results ratio and community involvement. > > Cheers, > > Offray > > On 24/11/18 7:53, horrido wrote: >> All of these are good ideas. But they deviate from my vision. At any >> rate, my >> competition idea was a big hit in Salta, and I am committed to moving >> forward with it. >> >> Since nobody has stepped up to the plate, David Buck will try to find >> time >> to code the competition. However, progress will be slow because of his >> busy >> schedule. >> >> And since David is not familiar with Pharo, we'll have to do the >> competition >> in VisualWorks, after all. Perhaps in the next edition of the James >> Robertson Memorial Programming Competition (hopefully in 2021 for the >> United >> States), someone will port the VisualWorks code over to Pharo (hint, >> hint). >> >> Ah, the vicissitudes of being a competition organizer... >> >> >> >> Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas-2 wrote >>> Hi, >>> >>> Thanks for your positive and critical comments, as usual Ben. >>> >>> Richard I think that is important to listen to a community when reaching >>> to it (I remember a talk we had where I suggested an approach closer to >>> anthropology instead of marketing). Many of us value your contributions, >>> despite of approaching them in a critical way. For example, I think that >>> promotion is important, but popularity is not, and the later is not a >>> proper measure of the effectivity of the former. As a Latin American >>> (that means people born and rise Latino America, not Latinos living in >>> United States) for me is really alien the North American people (that >>> means people living in the North region of the American continent that >>> goes from Alaska to Patagonia and beyond) is kind of obsessed with >>> popularity, competition, winning and losing, at least for what popular >>> media depicts (even seems that loser is kind of a big insult over >>> there). I don't think that winning a competition is the best way of >>> making a younger become part of collaborative open community. Also, in >>> an interconnected world, I feel more inclined to volunteer my time >>> helping a young person from the Global South to become part of the >>> Pharo/Smalltalk community that to volunteer my time for a pretty >>> localized competence in a particular place of the Global North. >>> >>> That being said, I think that little money can help a lot (specially in >>> the Global South) and I like the idea of making young people interested >>> in the offerings that Smalltalk has. The average FLOSS project has a >>> media of one developer [1], so even winning one more after the >>> competition is a big win. But I would try to volunteer my time in >>> something that brings the gap between Pharo communities and young people >>> and between the Global North and the Global South, specifically in my >>> Pharo powered project, Grafoscopio. >>> >>> [1] https://mako.cc/writing/hill-when_free_software_isnt_better.html >>> >>> So I'm glad that you are open to suggestions. Here come mine about how >>> this could be done, but this may also become something totally different >>> of your actual proposal, but, hopefully, also more global, interesting, >>> long lasting and a middle point between your promotional efforts and the >>> activities of this community. >>> >>> # The Smalltalk Global Campfire >>> >>> Is an immersive inclusive global experience where new people (regardless >>> of age, ethnicity or gender) can participate in a Smalltalk powered >>> project and get mentorship from community members and start a long >>> lasting relationship with a powerful technology, Smalltalk, and the >>> friendly communities around it. >>> >>> ## How it will work >>> >>> Seasoned global Smalltalkers will propose a "tent", which is a set of >>> related campfire projects (one or many) directed towards newbies, >>> related with programming and coding, but also connected them with other >>> activities which recognize that people comes from different backgrounds, >>> have different interests and that an inclusive tech community is more >>> than code[2]. The projects will allow newbies to learn coding, but also >>> to express and connect it with wider concerns (documentation, civic >>> tech, entrepreneurship, gaming, learning, etc). >>> >>> [2] https://morethancode.cc/about/ >>> >>> Interested campers will find the different tents where they can join and >>> the tent leader will prepare a set of (increasingly complex?) activities >>> for the members of the tent. Campers will work in the activities on a >>> weekly basis and setup and open source code repository for working >>> together. >>> >>> Coordination language for the Global Campfire will be English for tent >>> leaders, but campers can use native language for communication between >>> them and for some activities (local documentation, translations) as we >>> don't want to impose a unique language to become part of a community and >>> we recognize active Smalltalkers from around the world that can help >>> local communities, made them stronger and better connected. >>> >>> ## Tent medals >>> >>> Becoming part of a open collaborative community is mostly about being >>> able to help each other and how you and the community create value for >>> each other. So while this is not a competition, we recognize that small >>> money can be an important incentive to keep communities dynamic. >>> >>> At the end of the Campfire the community will provide with Member Badges >>> and Tent Medals which recognize the work done by all the participants >>> and also will give a small money incentive for the tent that made the >>> best work, so the tent can decide how to spend it better. The evaluation >>> will be done for each Tent leader, and also two external judges. >>> >>> The Tent Medals will be: >>> >>> * 1 Gold Medal: XXX Dollars. >>> * 1 Silver Medal: XYZ Dollars. >>> * 1 Bronze Medal: ABC Dollars. >>> >>> ## Closing >>> >>> I really don't know about the details here: How do we assign the prices? >>> There is any better place that the one referred at [2] to showcase the >>> important of going beyond code in tech communities? What is the proper >>> duration for the Campfire? This is just a draft, but I think that this >>> is something I would like to volunteer for and serves better the need >>> for new people in our community, and can be also addressed from our >>> local context and particular projects while connecting more the global >>> community. >>> >>> On 21/11/18 10:23, Ben Coman via Pharo-users wrote: >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >> >> -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Nov. 24, 2018

How to attach a repository

by Nicolai Hess

How can I "attach a repository" to project pharo? In a fresh pharo 7 image I get this message on clicking the "history" button on a method in calypse: [image: grafik.png] btw, the "atttached" has three t's :) And wouldn't it be better, to show an error dialog instead of a debugger stacktrace, if we try to show the history without an repository. nicolai

Nov. 24, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] VPS difficulties

by Hans-Martin

By the way, after looking at password hashing algorithms and what the experts say about them, I've decided to implement an interface to the Argon2 library (see https://password-hashing.net/argon2-specs.pdf for a whitepaper). The algorithm is designed to be far more resistant against cracking than md5 or sha-based algorithms and even bcrypt. The interface is designed to be very easy to use. In the simplest case (without tuning the algorithm's parameters) password hashing is performed like this: hashedPassword := Argon2 new randomizeSalt: 16; hashPassword: newPassword. verifying that a user has given the correct password: ok := Argon2 new verifyPassword: enteredPassword hash: hashedPassword. Find the code at https://github.com/hamamo/pharo-argon2. Currently it only has library names for 32-bit and 64-bit Linux - if someone adds MacOSX and Windows support I would merge that. Sorry I don't yet know how to use Metacello or other mechanisms to load it into an image with a few lines of code. Cheers, Hans-Martin -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Nov. 24, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] About the IoT Hackathon last Friday

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

And if the video came from an event is in Latin America we would have mostly young and mature Latino males, as we are also struggling in gender and other kinds of inclusiveness. The diversity problem is a big one. Cheers, Offray On 24/11/18 6:44, Norbert Hartl wrote: > For an event like this which is one day long people wonât arrive from > far. So it is expected to see most people being caucasian. > Hackathons usually attract more young people I guess. We are working > on the gender but is still not easy as it just started that women come > back to the industry. > > But I agree that diversity is something support. Â > > Norbert > > Am 24.11.2018 um 01:36 schrieb Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas > <offray.luna(a)mutabit.com <mailto:offray.luna@mutabit.com>>: > >> Great video guys! >> >> The only think I wonder when I saw hackathon and technical videos in >> general is when/how we will get more diversity represented in the >> participants (ethnicities, ages, gender), but of course this is a >> hard open question that we all need to solve. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Offray >> >> On 17/11/18 9:15, Norbert Hartl wrote: >>> To get a better impression we made an image film of the event. Now >>> the 4K version is available on youtube. >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIl9FAatKyw >>> >>> hope you like it, >>> >>> Norbert >>> >>> >>>> Am 22.10.2018 um 16:23 schrieb Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu >>>> <mailto:sven@stfx.eu>>: >>>> >>>> Last Friday we went to the IoT Hackathon in KÃ¶ln and it was a great >>>> experience. >>>> >>>> Thank you Norbert, Christian, Markus and the whole ZweiDenker team >>>> for their generous hospitality: the accommodations where great >>>> (beautiful office), the food and drinks super tasty, everybody >>>> friendly and welcoming. >>>> >>>> Thank youÂ Allex (Oliviera, Inria/RMOD) for running the workshop and >>>> for being so patient, friendly and tireless in helping everyone >>>> with all aspects of getting experiments up and running. >>>> >>>> I knew about PharoThings [1] and TelePharo [2] before, but actually >>>> using it in practice to experience connecting software and hardware >>>> felt a bit like magic. Thank you Denis (Kudriashov) and Inria/RMOD >>>> for developing these packages. >>>> >>>> <PastedGraphic-1.tiff> >>>> >>>> <PastedGraphic-2.tiff> >>>> >>>> Sven >>>> >>>> [1]Â https://github.com/pharo-iot/PharoThings >>>> [2]Â https://github.com/pharo-ide/TelePharo >>>> >>>> >>>

Nov. 24, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] My Keynote at the Salta Conference

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

Yes, as I told that would be a big deviation from the vision, but also a way to bridge it with the community. Anyway making a pretty localized competition in a Smalltalk variant for a particular population of a specific country is also a way to promote Smalltalk and after done it will bring lessons on efforts to results ratio and community involvement. Cheers, Offray On 24/11/18 7:53, horrido wrote: > All of these are good ideas. But they deviate from my vision. At any rate, my > competition idea was a big hit in Salta, and I am committed to moving > forward with it. > > Since nobody has stepped up to the plate, David Buck will try to find time > to code the competition. However, progress will be slow because of his busy > schedule. > > And since David is not familiar with Pharo, we'll have to do the competition > in VisualWorks, after all. Perhaps in the next edition of the James > Robertson Memorial Programming Competition (hopefully in 2021 for the United > States), someone will port the VisualWorks code over to Pharo (hint, hint). > > Ah, the vicissitudes of being a competition organizer... > > > > Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas-2 wrote >> Hi, >> >> Thanks for your positive and critical comments, as usual Ben. >> >> Richard I think that is important to listen to a community when reaching >> to it (I remember a talk we had where I suggested an approach closer to >> anthropology instead of marketing). Many of us value your contributions, >> despite of approaching them in a critical way. For example, I think that >> promotion is important, but popularity is not, and the later is not a >> proper measure of the effectivity of the former. As a Latin American >> (that means people born and rise Latino America, not Latinos living in >> United States) for me is really alien the North American people (that >> means people living in the North region of the American continent that >> goes from Alaska to Patagonia and beyond) is kind of obsessed with >> popularity, competition, winning and losing, at least for what popular >> media depicts (even seems that loser is kind of a big insult over >> there). I don't think that winning a competition is the best way of >> making a younger become part of collaborative open community. Also, in >> an interconnected world, I feel more inclined to volunteer my time >> helping a young person from the Global South to become part of the >> Pharo/Smalltalk community that to volunteer my time for a pretty >> localized competence in a particular place of the Global North. >> >> That being said, I think that little money can help a lot (specially in >> the Global South) and I like the idea of making young people interested >> in the offerings that Smalltalk has. The average FLOSS project has a >> media of one developer [1], so even winning one more after the >> competition is a big win. But I would try to volunteer my time in >> something that brings the gap between Pharo communities and young people >> and between the Global North and the Global South, specifically in my >> Pharo powered project, Grafoscopio. >> >> [1] https://mako.cc/writing/hill-when_free_software_isnt_better.html >> >> So I'm glad that you are open to suggestions. Here come mine about how >> this could be done, but this may also become something totally different >> of your actual proposal, but, hopefully, also more global, interesting, >> long lasting and a middle point between your promotional efforts and the >> activities of this community. >> >> # The Smalltalk Global Campfire >> >> Is an immersive inclusive global experience where new people (regardless >> of age, ethnicity or gender) can participate in a Smalltalk powered >> project and get mentorship from community members and start a long >> lasting relationship with a powerful technology, Smalltalk, and the >> friendly communities around it. >> >> ## How it will work >> >> Seasoned global Smalltalkers will propose a "tent", which is a set of >> related campfire projects (one or many) directed towards newbies, >> related with programming and coding, but also connected them with other >> activities which recognize that people comes from different backgrounds, >> have different interests and that an inclusive tech community is more >> than code[2]. The projects will allow newbies to learn coding, but also >> to express and connect it with wider concerns (documentation, civic >> tech, entrepreneurship, gaming, learning, etc). >> >> [2] https://morethancode.cc/about/ >> >> Interested campers will find the different tents where they can join and >> the tent leader will prepare a set of (increasingly complex?) activities >> for the members of the tent. Campers will work in the activities on a >> weekly basis and setup and open source code repository for working >> together. >> >> Coordination language for the Global Campfire will be English for tent >> leaders, but campers can use native language for communication between >> them and for some activities (local documentation, translations) as we >> don't want to impose a unique language to become part of a community and >> we recognize active Smalltalkers from around the world that can help >> local communities, made them stronger and better connected. >> >> ## Tent medals >> >> Becoming part of a open collaborative community is mostly about being >> able to help each other and how you and the community create value for >> each other. So while this is not a competition, we recognize that small >> money can be an important incentive to keep communities dynamic. >> >> At the end of the Campfire the community will provide with Member Badges >> and Tent Medals which recognize the work done by all the participants >> and also will give a small money incentive for the tent that made the >> best work, so the tent can decide how to spend it better. The evaluation >> will be done for each Tent leader, and also two external judges. >> >> The Tent Medals will be: >> >> * 1 Gold Medal: XXX Dollars. >> * 1 Silver Medal: XYZ Dollars. >> * 1 Bronze Medal: ABC Dollars. >> >> ## Closing >> >> I really don't know about the details here: How do we assign the prices? >> There is any better place that the one referred at [2] to showcase the >> important of going beyond code in tech communities? What is the proper >> duration for the Campfire? This is just a draft, but I think that this >> is something I would like to volunteer for and serves better the need >> for new people in our community, and can be also addressed from our >> local context and particular projects while connecting more the global >> community. >> >> On 21/11/18 10:23, Ben Coman via Pharo-users wrote: > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html > >

Nov. 24, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] My Keynote at the Salta Conference

by Richard Sargent

On Sat, Nov 24, 2018, 10:27 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 9:54 AM horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> All of these are good ideas. But they deviate from my vision. At any >> rate, my >> competition idea was a big hit in Salta, and I am committed to moving >> forward with it. >> >> Since nobody has stepped up to the plate, David Buck will try to find time >> to code the competition. However, progress will be slow because of his >> busy >> schedule. >> >> And since David is not familiar with Pharo, we'll have to do the >> competition >> in VisualWorks, after all. Perhaps in the next edition of the James >> Robertson Memorial Programming Competition (hopefully in 2021 for the >> United >> States), someone will port the VisualWorks code over to Pharo (hint, >> hint). >> >> > Hi Richard, > > Please note that for the people that put the money might not be the same > doing it in a commercial Smalltalk rather than an open-source one. > Sure, most commercial Smalltalks do offer open source licenses, but that's > not the same as being an open source Smalltalk. So, I don't know what did > you promise for the competition, but if it was with Pharo, it may be they > only want Pharo or at least an open source Smalltalk. > I think, from GemTalk's perspective, we would *prefer* an open product like Pharo. But, the most important consideration is that the competition be successful. > Best, > > -- > Mariano > https://twitter.com/MartinezPeck > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >

Nov. 24, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] My Keynote at the Salta Conference

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 9:54 AM horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > All of these are good ideas. But they deviate from my vision. At any rate, > my > competition idea was a big hit in Salta, and I am committed to moving > forward with it. > > Since nobody has stepped up to the plate, David Buck will try to find time > to code the competition. However, progress will be slow because of his busy > schedule. > > And since David is not familiar with Pharo, we'll have to do the > competition > in VisualWorks, after all. Perhaps in the next edition of the James > Robertson Memorial Programming Competition (hopefully in 2021 for the > United > States), someone will port the VisualWorks code over to Pharo (hint, hint). > > Hi Richard, Please note that for the people that put the money might not be the same doing it in a commercial Smalltalk rather than an open-source one. Sure, most commercial Smalltalks do offer open source licenses, but that's not the same as being an open source Smalltalk. So, I don't know what did you promise for the competition, but if it was with Pharo, it may be they only want Pharo or at least an open source Smalltalk. Best, -- Mariano https://twitter.com/MartinezPeck http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

Nov. 24, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] My Keynote at the Salta Conference

by horrido

All of these are good ideas. But they deviate from my vision. At any rate, my competition idea was a big hit in Salta, and I am committed to moving forward with it. Since nobody has stepped up to the plate, David Buck will try to find time to code the competition. However, progress will be slow because of his busy schedule. And since David is not familiar with Pharo, we'll have to do the competition in VisualWorks, after all. Perhaps in the next edition of the James Robertson Memorial Programming Competition (hopefully in 2021 for the United States), someone will port the VisualWorks code over to Pharo (hint, hint). Ah, the vicissitudes of being a competition organizer... Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas-2 wrote > Hi, > > Thanks for your positive and critical comments, as usual Ben. > > Richard I think that is important to listen to a community when reaching > to it (I remember a talk we had where I suggested an approach closer to > anthropology instead of marketing). Many of us value your contributions, > despite of approaching them in a critical way. For example, I think that > promotion is important, but popularity is not, and the later is not a > proper measure of the effectivity of the former. As a Latin American > (that means people born and rise Latino America, not Latinos living in > United States) for me is really alien the North American people (that > means people living in the North region of the American continent that > goes from Alaska to Patagonia and beyond) is kind of obsessed with > popularity, competition, winning and losing, at least for what popular > media depicts (even seems that loser is kind of a big insult over > there). I don't think that winning a competition is the best way of > making a younger become part of collaborative open community. Also, in > an interconnected world, I feel more inclined to volunteer my time > helping a young person from the Global South to become part of the > Pharo/Smalltalk community that to volunteer my time for a pretty > localized competence in a particular place of the Global North. > > That being said, I think that little money can help a lot (specially in > the Global South) and I like the idea of making young people interested > in the offerings that Smalltalk has. The average FLOSS project has a > media of one developer [1], so even winning one more after the > competition is a big win. But I would try to volunteer my time in > something that brings the gap between Pharo communities and young people > and between the Global North and the Global South, specifically in my > Pharo powered project, Grafoscopio. > > [1] https://mako.cc/writing/hill-when_free_software_isnt_better.html > > So I'm glad that you are open to suggestions. Here come mine about how > this could be done, but this may also become something totally different > of your actual proposal, but, hopefully, also more global, interesting, > long lasting and a middle point between your promotional efforts and the > activities of this community. > > # The Smalltalk Global Campfire > > Is an immersive inclusive global experience where new people (regardless > of age, ethnicity or gender) can participate in a Smalltalk powered > project and get mentorship from community members and start a long > lasting relationship with a powerful technology, Smalltalk, and the > friendly communities around it. > > ## How it will work > > Seasoned global Smalltalkers will propose a "tent", which is a set of > related campfire projects (one or many) directed towards newbies, > related with programming and coding, but also connected them with other > activities which recognize that people comes from different backgrounds, > have different interests and that an inclusive tech community is more > than code[2]. The projects will allow newbies to learn coding, but also > to express and connect it with wider concerns (documentation, civic > tech, entrepreneurship, gaming, learning, etc). > > [2] https://morethancode.cc/about/ > > Interested campers will find the different tents where they can join and > the tent leader will prepare a set of (increasingly complex?) activities > for the members of the tent. Campers will work in the activities on a > weekly basis and setup and open source code repository for working > together. > > Coordination language for the Global Campfire will be English for tent > leaders, but campers can use native language for communication between > them and for some activities (local documentation, translations) as we > don't want to impose a unique language to become part of a community and > we recognize active Smalltalkers from around the world that can help > local communities, made them stronger and better connected. > > ## Tent medals > > Becoming part of a open collaborative community is mostly about being > able to help each other and how you and the community create value for > each other. So while this is not a competition, we recognize that small > money can be an important incentive to keep communities dynamic. > > At the end of the Campfire the community will provide with Member Badges > and Tent Medals which recognize the work done by all the participants > and also will give a small money incentive for the tent that made the > best work, so the tent can decide how to spend it better. The evaluation > will be done for each Tent leader, and also two external judges. > > The Tent Medals will be: > > * 1 Gold Medal: XXX Dollars. > * 1 Silver Medal: XYZ Dollars. > * 1 Bronze Medal: ABC Dollars. > > ## Closing > > I really don't know about the details here: How do we assign the prices? > There is any better place that the one referred at [2] to showcase the > important of going beyond code in tech communities? What is the proper > duration for the Campfire? This is just a draft, but I think that this > is something I would like to volunteer for and serves better the need > for new people in our community, and can be also addressed from our > local context and particular projects while connecting more the global > community. > > On 21/11/18 10:23, Ben Coman via Pharo-users wrote: -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Nov. 24, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 7- looking for seaside-REST

by Johan Brichau

> On 24 Nov 2018, at 12:30, Sanjay Minni <sm(a)planage.com> wrote: > > Also has Seaside REST been ported for Pharo 7 ? > as I see there is a line in Catalog Browser 'SeasideREST' but there is an > error while trying to install Yeah, Somebody put old configurations in that catalog then, because âSeasideRESTâ used to be an add-on project for Seaside 3.0 but it was integrated into main Seaside for many years now (I think since 3.1â¦) Would be good if somebody removed that: who knows what to do? cheers Johan

Nov. 24, 2018