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Re: [Pharo-users] Installing SmaCC

by Thierry Goubier

Hi Dimitris, Le 16/10/2018 Ã 19:39, Dimitris Chloupis a Ã©critÂ : > yes i already said that i followed the instructions in the github repo Yes, by default that installation of SmaCC does not load all parsers (some of them are fairly large). However, most of them are in the downloaded repository, so you can load them independently. Otherwise, loading that way, should load everything: Metacello new baseline: 'SmaCC'; repository: 'github://SmaCCRefactoring/SmaCC'; load: #('Tools' 'Examples' 'Examples-Extra') Regarding your language question, I'd suggest two things: - Look at StrongTalk for a way to write Smalltalk with type declarations... - C parsers able to parse most strange C code one may encounter takes some work... Regards, Thierry > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 8:18 PM H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com > <mailto:hannes.hirzel@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Refers to > https://github.com/SmaCCRefactoring/SmaCC > > which says > > Â Â Â This is the port for Smalltalk/Pharo 1.3, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6. > > > Installing a Development version of Pharo for the latest Pharo (with > no guarantees): > > Metacello new > Â Â baseline: 'SmaCC'; > Â Â repository: 'github://SmaCCRefactoring/SmaCC'; > Â Â load > > On 10/16/18, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com > <mailto:hannes.hirzel@gmail.com>> wrote: > > What about trying > > > > > >Â Â Â Metacello new > >Â Â Â baseline: 'SmaCC'; > >Â Â Â repository: 'github://ThierryGoubier/SmaCC'; > >Â Â Â load > > > > This worked in Pharo 6.1 in November 2017 > > > > On 10/16/18, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com > <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> thanks for the info Peter , will give it a try :) > >> > >> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 7:35 PM PBKResearch > <peter(a)pbkresearch.co.uk <mailto:peter@pbkresearch.co.uk>> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Dimitris > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> If you download the latest Moose Suite 6.1, you will have Pharo > 6.1 with > >>> lots of extra packages, including SmaCC. The SmaCC includes > compilers > >>> for > >>> C, Smalltalk and Java, among others, but with little or no > >>> documentation. > >>> I > >>> am not a SmaCC expert, so I canât say whether it will do what > you want, > >>> but > >>> at least it will give you a start. Moose also includes > PetitParser and > >>> PP2,if you want to try other parsing approaches. Of course, the > Windows > >>> version is 32-bit only, for reasons explained elsewhere in this > thread. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> HTH > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Peter Kenny > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> *From:* Pharo-users <pharo-users-bounces(a)lists.pharo.org > <mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org>> *On Behalf Of > >>> *Dimitris > >>> Chloupis > >>> *Sent:* 16 October 2018 15:40 > >>> *To:* Any question about pharo is welcome > <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org>> > >>> *Subject:* [Pharo-users] Installing SmaCC > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Hey guys > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I downloaded the latest Pharo 6.1 64bit for Windows and tried > to install > >>> SmaCC through the catalog browser but it failed > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I did manage to install it following the instruction in the > github repo > >>> but I see that I am missing most parser packages. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> The languages I am interested are Smalltalk (which is included) > and C > >>> (if > >>> possible C++ too) cause I will be creating a new language which > will be > >>> a > >>> cross between C and Smalltalk (very similar to smalltalk syntax > but with > >>> the addtion of C types and no GC and dynamic typing and also a > partial > >>> implementation of OOP that is quite diffirent). My goal is > compilation > >>> of > >>> my language to readable C code so the ability to parse also > existing C > >>> code > >>> is needed. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Any help is greatly appreciated , thanks :) > >>> > >> > > >

Oct. 16, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] STON and persisting Dates - problem

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Petr, You should use the latest STON, where Dates are now serialised with a timezone indicator. Sven > On 16 Oct 2018, at 19:59, Petr Fischer via Pharo-users <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: > > > From: Petr Fischer <petr.fischer(a)me.com> > Subject: STON and persisting Dates - problem > Date: 16 October 2018 at 19:59:55 GMT+2 > To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org > > > Hello, > > if I persist Dictionary with Date keys with STON, there is a problem. > > STON serializes Dates as: Date [ '2018-10-16' ] - there is no info about timezone. > > So if I put a key "Date now translateToUTC" into dictionary, save to STON file, and then load again from STON file, Dictionary Date keys are restored in local time zone, so the keys in Dictionary is different - so after deserialize from STON file I can't find anything in Dictionary anymore. > > Should I use ZTimestamp? :) > > Thanks, pf > > >

Oct. 16, 2018

STON and persisting Dates - problem

by Petr Fischer

Hello, if I persist Dictionary with Date keys with STON, there is a problem. STON serializes Dates as: Date [ '2018-10-16' ] - there is no info about timezone. So if I put a key "Date now translateToUTC" into dictionary, save to STON file, and then load again from STON file, Dictionary Date keys are restored in local time zone, so the keys in Dictionary is different - so after deserialize from STON file I can't find anything in Dictionary anymore. Should I use ZTimestamp? :) Thanks, pf

Oct. 16, 2018

Dictionary and Date as keys

by Petr Fischer

My problem - use Dates as Dictionary keys - shortly: d1 := Date today translateToUTC. d2 := Date today. d1 = d2. (true!) d := Dictionary new. d at: d1 put: 1. d at: d1. (ok) d at: d2. (bad - key not found) --- pf

Oct. 16, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Installing SmaCC

by Dimitris Chloupis

yes i already said that i followed the instructions in the github repo On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 8:18 PM H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Refers to > https://github.com/SmaCCRefactoring/SmaCC > > which says > > This is the port for Smalltalk/Pharo 1.3, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6. > > > Installing a Development version of Pharo for the latest Pharo (with > no guarantees): > > Metacello new > baseline: 'SmaCC'; > repository: 'github://SmaCCRefactoring/SmaCC'; > load > > On 10/16/18, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > What about trying > > > > > > Metacello new > > baseline: 'SmaCC'; > > repository: 'github://ThierryGoubier/SmaCC'; > > load > > > > This worked in Pharo 6.1 in November 2017 > > > > On 10/16/18, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> thanks for the info Peter , will give it a try :) > >> > >> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 7:35 PM PBKResearch <peter(a)pbkresearch.co.uk> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Dimitris > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> If you download the latest Moose Suite 6.1, you will have Pharo 6.1 > with > >>> lots of extra packages, including SmaCC. The SmaCC includes compilers > >>> for > >>> C, Smalltalk and Java, among others, but with little or no > >>> documentation. > >>> I > >>> am not a SmaCC expert, so I canât say whether it will do what you want, > >>> but > >>> at least it will give you a start. Moose also includes PetitParser and > >>> PP2,if you want to try other parsing approaches. Of course, the Windows > >>> version is 32-bit only, for reasons explained elsewhere in this thread. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> HTH > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Peter Kenny > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> *From:* Pharo-users <pharo-users-bounces(a)lists.pharo.org> *On Behalf > Of > >>> *Dimitris > >>> Chloupis > >>> *Sent:* 16 October 2018 15:40 > >>> *To:* Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org > > > >>> *Subject:* [Pharo-users] Installing SmaCC > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Hey guys > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I downloaded the latest Pharo 6.1 64bit for Windows and tried to > install > >>> SmaCC through the catalog browser but it failed > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I did manage to install it following the instruction in the github repo > >>> but I see that I am missing most parser packages. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> The languages I am interested are Smalltalk (which is included) and C > >>> (if > >>> possible C++ too) cause I will be creating a new language which will be > >>> a > >>> cross between C and Smalltalk (very similar to smalltalk syntax but > with > >>> the addtion of C types and no GC and dynamic typing and also a partial > >>> implementation of OOP that is quite diffirent). My goal is compilation > >>> of > >>> my language to readable C code so the ability to parse also existing C > >>> code > >>> is needed. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Any help is greatly appreciated , thanks :) > >>> > >> > > > >

Oct. 16, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Installing SmaCC

by H. Hirzel

Refers to https://github.com/SmaCCRefactoring/SmaCC which says This is the port for Smalltalk/Pharo 1.3, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6. Installing a Development version of Pharo for the latest Pharo (with no guarantees): Metacello new baseline: 'SmaCC'; repository: 'github://SmaCCRefactoring/SmaCC'; load On 10/16/18, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > What about trying > > > Metacello new > baseline: 'SmaCC'; > repository: 'github://ThierryGoubier/SmaCC'; > load > > This worked in Pharo 6.1 in November 2017 > > On 10/16/18, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> thanks for the info Peter , will give it a try :) >> >> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 7:35 PM PBKResearch <peter(a)pbkresearch.co.uk> >> wrote: >> >>> Dimitris >>> >>> >>> >>> If you download the latest Moose Suite 6.1, you will have Pharo 6.1 with >>> lots of extra packages, including SmaCC. The SmaCC includes compilers >>> for >>> C, Smalltalk and Java, among others, but with little or no >>> documentation. >>> I >>> am not a SmaCC expert, so I canât say whether it will do what you want, >>> but >>> at least it will give you a start. Moose also includes PetitParser and >>> PP2,if you want to try other parsing approaches. Of course, the Windows >>> version is 32-bit only, for reasons explained elsewhere in this thread. >>> >>> >>> >>> HTH >>> >>> >>> >>> Peter Kenny >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Pharo-users <pharo-users-bounces(a)lists.pharo.org> *On Behalf Of >>> *Dimitris >>> Chloupis >>> *Sent:* 16 October 2018 15:40 >>> *To:* Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> >>> *Subject:* [Pharo-users] Installing SmaCC >>> >>> >>> >>> Hey guys >>> >>> >>> >>> I downloaded the latest Pharo 6.1 64bit for Windows and tried to install >>> SmaCC through the catalog browser but it failed >>> >>> >>> >>> I did manage to install it following the instruction in the github repo >>> but I see that I am missing most parser packages. >>> >>> >>> >>> The languages I am interested are Smalltalk (which is included) and C >>> (if >>> possible C++ too) cause I will be creating a new language which will be >>> a >>> cross between C and Smalltalk (very similar to smalltalk syntax but with >>> the addtion of C types and no GC and dynamic typing and also a partial >>> implementation of OOP that is quite diffirent). My goal is compilation >>> of >>> my language to readable C code so the ability to parse also existing C >>> code >>> is needed. >>> >>> >>> >>> Any help is greatly appreciated , thanks :) >>> >> >

Oct. 16, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Installing SmaCC

by H. Hirzel

What about trying Metacello new baseline: 'SmaCC'; repository: 'github://ThierryGoubier/SmaCC'; load This worked in Pharo 6.1 in November 2017 On 10/16/18, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > thanks for the info Peter , will give it a try :) > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 7:35 PM PBKResearch <peter(a)pbkresearch.co.uk> > wrote: > >> Dimitris >> >> >> >> If you download the latest Moose Suite 6.1, you will have Pharo 6.1 with >> lots of extra packages, including SmaCC. The SmaCC includes compilers for >> C, Smalltalk and Java, among others, but with little or no documentation. >> I >> am not a SmaCC expert, so I canât say whether it will do what you want, >> but >> at least it will give you a start. Moose also includes PetitParser and >> PP2,if you want to try other parsing approaches. Of course, the Windows >> version is 32-bit only, for reasons explained elsewhere in this thread. >> >> >> >> HTH >> >> >> >> Peter Kenny >> >> >> >> *From:* Pharo-users <pharo-users-bounces(a)lists.pharo.org> *On Behalf Of >> *Dimitris >> Chloupis >> *Sent:* 16 October 2018 15:40 >> *To:* Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> >> *Subject:* [Pharo-users] Installing SmaCC >> >> >> >> Hey guys >> >> >> >> I downloaded the latest Pharo 6.1 64bit for Windows and tried to install >> SmaCC through the catalog browser but it failed >> >> >> >> I did manage to install it following the instruction in the github repo >> but I see that I am missing most parser packages. >> >> >> >> The languages I am interested are Smalltalk (which is included) and C (if >> possible C++ too) cause I will be creating a new language which will be a >> cross between C and Smalltalk (very similar to smalltalk syntax but with >> the addtion of C types and no GC and dynamic typing and also a partial >> implementation of OOP that is quite diffirent). My goal is compilation of >> my language to readable C code so the ability to parse also existing C >> code >> is needed. >> >> >> >> Any help is greatly appreciated , thanks :) >> >

Oct. 16, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Installing SmaCC

by Dimitris Chloupis

thanks for the info Peter , will give it a try :) On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 7:35 PM PBKResearch <peter(a)pbkresearch.co.uk> wrote: > Dimitris > > > > If you download the latest Moose Suite 6.1, you will have Pharo 6.1 with > lots of extra packages, including SmaCC. The SmaCC includes compilers for > C, Smalltalk and Java, among others, but with little or no documentation. I > am not a SmaCC expert, so I canât say whether it will do what you want, but > at least it will give you a start. Moose also includes PetitParser and > PP2,if you want to try other parsing approaches. Of course, the Windows > version is 32-bit only, for reasons explained elsewhere in this thread. > > > > HTH > > > > Peter Kenny > > > > *From:* Pharo-users <pharo-users-bounces(a)lists.pharo.org> *On Behalf Of *Dimitris > Chloupis > *Sent:* 16 October 2018 15:40 > *To:* Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> > *Subject:* [Pharo-users] Installing SmaCC > > > > Hey guys > > > > I downloaded the latest Pharo 6.1 64bit for Windows and tried to install > SmaCC through the catalog browser but it failed > > > > I did manage to install it following the instruction in the github repo > but I see that I am missing most parser packages. > > > > The languages I am interested are Smalltalk (which is included) and C (if > possible C++ too) cause I will be creating a new language which will be a > cross between C and Smalltalk (very similar to smalltalk syntax but with > the addtion of C types and no GC and dynamic typing and also a partial > implementation of OOP that is quite diffirent). My goal is compilation of > my language to readable C code so the ability to parse also existing C code > is needed. > > > > Any help is greatly appreciated , thanks :) >

Oct. 16, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Installing SmaCC

by PBKResearch

Dimitris If you download the latest Moose Suite 6.1, you will have Pharo 6.1 with lots of extra packages, including SmaCC. The SmaCC includes compilers for C, Smalltalk and Java, among others, but with little or no documentation. I am not a SmaCC expert, so I canât say whether it will do what you want, but at least it will give you a start. Moose also includes PetitParser and PP2,if you want to try other parsing approaches. Of course, the Windows version is 32-bit only, for reasons explained elsewhere in this thread. HTH Peter Kenny From: Pharo-users <pharo-users-bounces(a)lists.pharo.org> On Behalf Of Dimitris Chloupis Sent: 16 October 2018 15:40 To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> Subject: [Pharo-users] Installing SmaCC Hey guys I downloaded the latest Pharo 6.1 64bit for Windows and tried to install SmaCC through the catalog browser but it failed I did manage to install it following the instruction in the github repo but I see that I am missing most parser packages. The languages I am interested are Smalltalk (which is included) and C (if possible C++ too) cause I will be creating a new language which will be a cross between C and Smalltalk (very similar to smalltalk syntax but with the addtion of C types and no GC and dynamic typing and also a partial implementation of OOP that is quite diffirent). My goal is compilation of my language to readable C code so the ability to parse also existing C code is needed. Any help is greatly appreciated , thanks :)

Oct. 16, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] http://pharo.org/download | Pharo7 standalone?

by Dimitris Chloupis

ah ok thats not a problem for me, thanks On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 6:21 PM Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > It just misses ONE module: Athens :) > > Esteban > > > On 16 Oct 2018, at 17:11, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > oh , thats confusing because Pharolauncher has a 64bit option > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 6:09 PM Cyril Ferlicot <cyril.ferlicot(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> >> On mar. 16 oct. 2018 at 16:59, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I would love also to see a 6.1 standalone download for windows 64 bit, >>> apparently the other platforms have 64 bit downloads. Is there a reason why >>> its not available for Windows ? >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The 64bit version of Windows is not yet finished. >> >> There is a version but it is missing modules. >> -- >> Cyril Ferlicot >> https://ferlicot.fr >> > >

Oct. 16, 2018