January 2018 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] unsolicited package-cache use

by Sean P. DeNigris

Peter Kenny wrote > Are you sure it's a bot? Google the name - there is a real person living > near Seattle, with an interest in Smalltalk. I browsed some other posts from this account to the lists on Nabble. They were more obviously on topic. Also, I met Kjell at a Smalltalk conference or two. My experience was that he speaks from a meta level and you have to connect the dots yourself, which can be difficult to follow. IMHO he should not be banned. ----- Cheers, Sean -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Jan. 18, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] unsolicited package-cache use

by Marcus Denker

Honestly there is some âminimal level of conductâ that people need to follow. Something named picoVerse has spammed like this in the past and was kicked out, too. Marcus > On 18 Jan 2018, at 14:58, PBKResearch <peter(a)pbkresearch.co.uk> wrote: > > Are you sure it's a bot? Google the name - there is a real person living near Seattle, with an interest in Smalltalk. I think the same person posts on the Dolphin list using the name picoVerse. Granted the style is weird and it often doesn't seem to make sense, but it's a person. > > Peter Kenny > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of Marcus Denker > Sent: 18 January 2018 12:47 > To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] unsolicited package-cache use > > yes, I will do that. I definitely is a bot I think the same that posted nonsense to Discord and years ago already to this list. > > Marcus > >> On 18 Jan 2018, at 12:08, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >> >> Should we not block this account? It looks generated â¦ although it is quite scary how not easy it is to not figure this out. >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >>> On Jan 18, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Kjell Godo <squeaklist(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> itâs those weight limits on the luggage they spook you >>> they spooked me they spooked us >>> but they are not really limits you just have to pay more >>> but you donât actually find that out until you get there >>> or if you want to spend an hour on the phone asking about it >>> well probably only 20 minutes actually >>> but you have to know that you can ask this question >>> that it is a valid question to ask >>> which apparently we did not >>> so i left something behind Wonât do that again >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 02:45 Kjell Godo <squeaklist(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> i want it Iâm going to get it if i can click download on it >>> i donât care about 43MB >>> >>> is there an image stripper? ( Dolphin has an image stripper you can modify. >>> after stripping the .exe file was about 6MB ) >>> >>> if this is 43MB of just DrGeo then i think itâs fine >>> i donât know what anybody else thinks and i donât know much but >>> it takes a few minutes to download >>> at 1.5Mbits / second >>> not really noticeable >>> it has to be above 100MB at that speed to be noticeable >>> in my opinion >>> >>> so can i do differential geometry in DrGeo? >>> like general relativity? that would be cool. >>> can it do Tensors? i have this >>> book : einstein gravity in a nutshell >>> and i have always wanted a numerical graphical way to go through >>> these equations in there >>> i guess there is that numerical package i got, is there a tensor package? >>> i tried to write a tensor thing once >>> i tried to boil it down to the minimum number of lines of >>> KEGGenerator code and that was like 10 or less >>> to do a tensor multiply >>> but i never tested it yet Test first! >>> >>> so i want to get DrGeo now and i donât care about 43MB >>> now or soon itâs not really possible right now >>> usually it would be but i am out of my usual country >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 00:33 Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> wrote: >>> Le 18/01/2018 Ã 05:30, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand a Ã©crit : >>>> Which Pharo version? >>> P7 >>>> Have you found any solution to this? >>> >>> I find a workaround. My bash script to build DrGeo image just remove >>> the content of the package-cache directory. >>>> In Gofer there was #disablePackageCache, in Metacello I don't know, >>>> maybe experimenting with MetacelloLoaderPolicy but there are no >>>> class comments. >>> >>> I am now done with this problem, and I will not get back to it right now. >>> Thanks to ask and the suggestion, it could be useful to other. >>> >>> I have other serious concern as the resulting size of the DrGeo image >>> built against P7, 43MB. I feel ashame to make any public DrGeo >>> release with such an important image size. >>> >>> Hilaire >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Geo >>> http://drgeo.eu >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> www.feenk.com >> >> "Speaking louder won't make the point worthier." >> >> > > >

Jan. 18, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] unsolicited package-cache use

by PBKResearch

Are you sure it's a bot? Google the name - there is a real person living near Seattle, with an interest in Smalltalk. I think the same person posts on the Dolphin list using the name picoVerse. Granted the style is weird and it often doesn't seem to make sense, but it's a person. Peter Kenny -----Original Message----- From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of Marcus Denker Sent: 18 January 2018 12:47 To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] unsolicited package-cache use yes, I will do that. I definitely is a bot I think the same that posted nonsense to Discord and years ago already to this list. Marcus > On 18 Jan 2018, at 12:08, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > > Should we not block this account? It looks generated â¦ although it is quite scary how not easy it is to not figure this out. > > Cheers, > Doru > > >> On Jan 18, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Kjell Godo <squeaklist(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> itâs those weight limits on the luggage they spook you >> they spooked me they spooked us >> but they are not really limits you just have to pay more >> but you donât actually find that out until you get there >> or if you want to spend an hour on the phone asking about it >> well probably only 20 minutes actually >> but you have to know that you can ask this question >> that it is a valid question to ask >> which apparently we did not >> so i left something behind Wonât do that again >> >> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 02:45 Kjell Godo <squeaklist(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> i want it Iâm going to get it if i can click download on it >> i donât care about 43MB >> >> is there an image stripper? ( Dolphin has an image stripper you can modify. >> after stripping the .exe file was about 6MB ) >> >> if this is 43MB of just DrGeo then i think itâs fine >> i donât know what anybody else thinks and i donât know much but >> it takes a few minutes to download >> at 1.5Mbits / second >> not really noticeable >> it has to be above 100MB at that speed to be noticeable >> in my opinion >> >> so can i do differential geometry in DrGeo? >> like general relativity? that would be cool. >> can it do Tensors? i have this >> book : einstein gravity in a nutshell >> and i have always wanted a numerical graphical way to go through >> these equations in there >> i guess there is that numerical package i got, is there a tensor package? >> i tried to write a tensor thing once >> i tried to boil it down to the minimum number of lines of >> KEGGenerator code and that was like 10 or less >> to do a tensor multiply >> but i never tested it yet Test first! >> >> so i want to get DrGeo now and i donât care about 43MB >> now or soon itâs not really possible right now >> usually it would be but i am out of my usual country >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 00:33 Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> wrote: >> Le 18/01/2018 Ã 05:30, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand a Ã©crit : >>> Which Pharo version? >> P7 >>> Have you found any solution to this? >> >> I find a workaround. My bash script to build DrGeo image just remove >> the content of the package-cache directory. >>> In Gofer there was #disablePackageCache, in Metacello I don't know, >>> maybe experimenting with MetacelloLoaderPolicy but there are no >>> class comments. >> >> I am now done with this problem, and I will not get back to it right now. >> Thanks to ask and the suggestion, it could be useful to other. >> >> I have other serious concern as the resulting size of the DrGeo image >> built against P7, 43MB. I feel ashame to make any public DrGeo >> release with such an important image size. >> >> Hilaire >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Geo >> http://drgeo.eu >> >> >> > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > www.feenk.com > > "Speaking louder won't make the point worthier." > >

Jan. 18, 2018

[ANN] Pharo TechTalk Dates

by Marcus Denker

Hi, Here are the next dates for the Pharo Techtalks. (for recording of the past ones, see: http://pharo.org/TechTalk ) Jan 30: Pharo TechTalk: Genetic Algorithms https://association.pharo.org/event-2757884 For the others we have no topic yet, but dates are pre-fixed to: Feb 15 https://association.pharo.org/event-2797065 March 22 https://association.pharo.org/event-2797067 April 12 https://association.pharo.org/event-2797068 May 17 https://association.pharo.org/event-2797069 June 14 https://association.pharo.org/event-2797070 - If you have ideas for topics, please tell us! - With no topic, we will use this slot for a general free discussion. - If you want to do a TechTalk about a topic but no date is good, we can change the date! Marcus

Jan. 18, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] unsolicited package-cache use

by Marcus Denker

yes, I will do that. I definitely is a bot I think the same that posted nonsense to Discord and years ago already to this list. Marcus > On 18 Jan 2018, at 12:08, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > > Should we not block this account? It looks generated â¦ although it is quite scary how not easy it is to not figure this out. > > Cheers, > Doru > > >> On Jan 18, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Kjell Godo <squeaklist(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> itâs those weight limits on the luggage they spook you >> they spooked me they spooked us >> but they are not really limits you just have to pay more >> but you donât actually find that out until you get there >> or if you want to spend an hour on the phone asking about it >> well probably only 20 minutes actually >> but you have to know that you can ask this question >> that it is a valid question to ask >> which apparently we did not >> so i left something behind Wonât do that again >> >> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 02:45 Kjell Godo <squeaklist(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> i want it Iâm going to get it if i can click download on it >> i donât care about 43MB >> >> is there an image stripper? ( Dolphin has an image stripper you can modify. >> after stripping the .exe file was about 6MB ) >> >> if this is 43MB of just DrGeo then i think itâs fine >> i donât know what anybody else thinks and i donât know much but >> it takes a few minutes to download >> at 1.5Mbits / second >> not really noticeable >> it has to be above 100MB at that speed to be noticeable >> in my opinion >> >> so can i do differential geometry in DrGeo? >> like general relativity? that would be cool. >> can it do Tensors? i have this >> book : einstein gravity in a nutshell >> and i have always wanted a numerical graphical way to go through >> these equations in there >> i guess there is that numerical package i got, is there a tensor package? >> i tried to write a tensor thing once >> i tried to boil it down to the minimum number of lines of >> KEGGenerator code and that was like 10 or less >> to do a tensor multiply >> but i never tested it yet Test first! >> >> so i want to get DrGeo now and i donât care about 43MB >> now or soon itâs not really possible right now >> usually it would be but i am out of my usual country >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 00:33 Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> wrote: >> Le 18/01/2018 Ã 05:30, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand a Ã©crit : >>> Which Pharo version? >> P7 >>> Have you found any solution to this? >> >> I find a workaround. My bash script to build DrGeo image just remove >> the content of the package-cache directory. >>> In Gofer there was #disablePackageCache, in Metacello I don't know, >>> maybe experimenting with MetacelloLoaderPolicy but there are no class >>> comments. >> >> I am now done with this problem, and I will not get back to it right now. >> Thanks to ask and the suggestion, it could be useful to other. >> >> I have other serious concern as the resulting size of the DrGeo image >> built against P7, 43MB. I feel ashame to make any public DrGeo release >> with such an important image size. >> >> Hilaire >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Geo >> http://drgeo.eu >> >> >> > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > www.feenk.com > > "Speaking louder won't make the point worthier." > >

Jan. 18, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] unsolicited package-cache use

by Hilaire

Indeed it is scary... but it's still non sense. Le 18/01/2018 Ã 12:08, Tudor Girba a Ã©critÂ : > Should we not block this account? It looks generated â¦ although it is quite scary how not easy it is to not figure this out. -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

Jan. 18, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] unsolicited package-cache use

by Tudor Girba

Should we not block this account? It looks generated â¦ although it is quite scary how not easy it is to not figure this out. Cheers, Doru > On Jan 18, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Kjell Godo <squeaklist(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > itâs those weight limits on the luggage they spook you > they spooked me they spooked us > but they are not really limits you just have to pay more > but you donât actually find that out until you get there > or if you want to spend an hour on the phone asking about it > well probably only 20 minutes actually > but you have to know that you can ask this question > that it is a valid question to ask > which apparently we did not > so i left something behind Wonât do that again > > On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 02:45 Kjell Godo <squeaklist(a)gmail.com> wrote: > i want it Iâm going to get it if i can click download on it > i donât care about 43MB > > is there an image stripper? ( Dolphin has an image stripper you can modify. > after stripping the .exe file was about 6MB ) > > if this is 43MB of just DrGeo then i think itâs fine > i donât know what anybody else thinks and i donât know much but > it takes a few minutes to download > at 1.5Mbits / second > not really noticeable > it has to be above 100MB at that speed to be noticeable > in my opinion > > so can i do differential geometry in DrGeo? > like general relativity? that would be cool. > can it do Tensors? i have this > book : einstein gravity in a nutshell > and i have always wanted a numerical graphical way to go through > these equations in there > i guess there is that numerical package i got, is there a tensor package? > i tried to write a tensor thing once > i tried to boil it down to the minimum number of lines of > KEGGenerator code and that was like 10 or less > to do a tensor multiply > but i never tested it yet Test first! > > so i want to get DrGeo now and i donât care about 43MB > now or soon itâs not really possible right now > usually it would be but i am out of my usual country > > > On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 00:33 Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> wrote: > Le 18/01/2018 Ã 05:30, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand a Ã©crit : > > Which Pharo version? > P7 > > Have you found any solution to this? > > I find a workaround. My bash script to build DrGeo image just remove > the content of the package-cache directory. > > In Gofer there was #disablePackageCache, in Metacello I don't know, > > maybe experimenting with MetacelloLoaderPolicy but there are no class > > comments. > > I am now done with this problem, and I will not get back to it right now. > Thanks to ask and the suggestion, it could be useful to other. > > I have other serious concern as the resulting size of the DrGeo image > built against P7, 43MB. I feel ashame to make any public DrGeo release > with such an important image size. > > Hilaire > > > > > -- > Dr. Geo > http://drgeo.eu > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "Speaking louder won't make the point worthier."

Jan. 18, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] unsolicited package-cache use

by Kjell Godo

itâs those weight limits on the luggage they spook you they spooked me they spooked us but they are not really limits you just have to pay more but you donât actually find that out until you get there or if you want to spend an hour on the phone asking about it well probably only 20 minutes actually but you have to know that you can ask this question that it is a valid question to ask which apparently we did not so i left something behind Wonât do that again On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 02:45 Kjell Godo <squeaklist(a)gmail.com> wrote: > i want it Iâm going to get it if i can click download on it > i donât care about 43MB > > is there an image stripper? ( Dolphin has an image stripper you can modify. > after stripping the .exe file was about 6MB ) > > if this is 43MB of just DrGeo then i think itâs fine > i donât know what anybody else thinks and i donât know much but > it takes a few minutes to download > at 1.5Mbits / second > not really noticeable > it has to be above 100MB at that speed to be noticeable > in my opinion > > so can i do differential geometry in DrGeo? > like general relativity? that would be cool. > can it do Tensors? i have this > book : einstein gravity in a nutshell > and i have always wanted a numerical graphical way to go through > these equations in there > i guess there is that numerical package i got, is there a tensor > package? > i tried to write a tensor thing once > i tried to boil it down to the minimum number of lines of > KEGGenerator code and that was like 10 or less > to do a tensor multiply > but i never tested it yet Test first! > > so i want to get DrGeo now and i donât care about 43MB > now or soon itâs not really possible right now > usually it would be but i am out of my usual country > > > On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 00:33 Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> wrote: > >> Le 18/01/2018 Ã 05:30, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand a Ã©crit : >> > Which Pharo version? >> P7 >> > Have you found any solution to this? >> >> I find a workaround. My bash script to build DrGeo image just remove >> the content of the package-cache directory. >> > In Gofer there was #disablePackageCache, in Metacello I don't know, >> > maybe experimenting with MetacelloLoaderPolicy but there are no class >> > comments. >> >> I am now done with this problem, and I will not get back to it right now. >> Thanks to ask and the suggestion, it could be useful to other. >> >> I have other serious concern as the resulting size of the DrGeo image >> built against P7, 43MB. I feel ashame to make any public DrGeo release >> with such an important image size. >> >> Hilaire >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Geo >> http://drgeo.eu >> >> >> >>

Jan. 18, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] unsolicited package-cache use

by Kjell Godo

i want it Iâm going to get it if i can click download on it i donât care about 43MB is there an image stripper? ( Dolphin has an image stripper you can modify. after stripping the .exe file was about 6MB ) if this is 43MB of just DrGeo then i think itâs fine i donât know what anybody else thinks and i donât know much but it takes a few minutes to download at 1.5Mbits / second not really noticeable it has to be above 100MB at that speed to be noticeable in my opinion so can i do differential geometry in DrGeo? like general relativity? that would be cool. can it do Tensors? i have this book : einstein gravity in a nutshell and i have always wanted a numerical graphical way to go through these equations in there i guess there is that numerical package i got, is there a tensor package? i tried to write a tensor thing once i tried to boil it down to the minimum number of lines of KEGGenerator code and that was like 10 or less to do a tensor multiply but i never tested it yet Test first! so i want to get DrGeo now and i donât care about 43MB now or soon itâs not really possible right now usually it would be but i am out of my usual country On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 00:33 Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> wrote: > Le 18/01/2018 Ã 05:30, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand a Ã©crit : > > Which Pharo version? > P7 > > Have you found any solution to this? > > I find a workaround. My bash script to build DrGeo image just remove > the content of the package-cache directory. > > In Gofer there was #disablePackageCache, in Metacello I don't know, > > maybe experimenting with MetacelloLoaderPolicy but there are no class > > comments. > > I am now done with this problem, and I will not get back to it right now. > Thanks to ask and the suggestion, it could be useful to other. > > I have other serious concern as the resulting size of the DrGeo image > built against P7, 43MB. I feel ashame to make any public DrGeo release > with such an important image size. > > Hilaire > > > > > -- > Dr. Geo > http://drgeo.eu > > > >

Jan. 18, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] How can I outsource instance data ?

by Nicolai Hess

2018-01-18 0:24 GMT+01:00 Photon <nico-braun(a)live.de>: > Hello, > > I am messing around with an ordered collection of a class wich contains a > matrix. As it the size grew I started to wonder if my code was something > one > should not do or if one would maybe outsource some data. > I don`t know if it`s just in the RAM if iI start the VM. In that case i > would overkill it at some point or not? > > So i thought of storing the data on harddrive to be able to recall it later > when I need to but get it out of the running VM for the moment. > Maybe you can enlighten me regarding this. > > In this picture you can see that my data is basicly stored inside of a > inspector at the moment. So it would be cool to store the whole thing on > harddrive. > > <http://forum.world.st/file/t371759/inspector.png> > I am not sure, but it looks like you are using Morphs for every Cell and every Cell in the generations collections. These would be many (unnecessary) Morph objects. Maybe it would be better to only store the cells (or cell states) and use only one grid of Morphs to show the current generation. > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html > >

Jan. 18, 2018